WW II Aircraft Carriers on the Great Lakes

[Ray Keller]

WW II Aircraft Carriers on the Great Lakes



The Great Lakes provided vital support for the war effort in WWII,

from building 28 fleet subs in Manitowoc to providing the bulk of US

industrial output, we could not have won the war if not for the

benefits of the Great Lakes and their related industry. However there

was another benefit of the lakes that is often overlooked. Japan

quickly lost the war because, among many other things, its navy could

not replace its carrier pilot losses. We could. But how did we train

so many pilots in both comfort (calm seas) and safety (no enemy subs)?



We took two old side-wheel Great Lakes passenger steamers and turned

them into training carriers on Lake Michigan ! Virtually every carrier

pilot trained in the war got his landing training on these amazing

ships! Sadly nothing but these great photos and the wrecks of the

aircraft that ditched alongside them remain to tell their fascinating

story! Thanks to Tom Ursem for sending this link!



Check this out! USS Sable and USS Wolverine

...
http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=48962

[STEADY EDDY]

Klaus served on the USS GotNoNuts.

[Gunner Asch]

Way cool!! Thanks!

I never knew a thing about these two ships. Much obliged!!

Gunner


--
"You guess the truth hurts?

Really?

"Hurt" aint the word.

For Liberals, the truth is like salt to a slug.
Sunlight to a vampire.
RaidŽ to a cockroach.
Sheriff Brody to a shark
Bush to a Liberal

The truth doesn't just hurt. It's painful, like a red hot poker shoved
up their ass. Like sliding down a hundred foot razor blade using their
dick as a brake.

They HATE the truth."

[Debbie]

Very cool! Thank you. I have lived in Michigan my entire life and didn't
know this.

[Padraigh ProAmerica]

WW II Aircraft Carriers on the Great Lakes

Group: talk.politics.guns Date: Fri, May 24, 2013, 8:04am (EDT-3) From:
Left...@re.desperate.com (Ray Keller)

=========================

the ships were used for landings and takeoffs only, as they had no
elevators or hanger decks.

The Navy classified them as "Unclassified" (Pennant number began with
"IX-" instead of the "CV- of a carrier)

Several of the aircraft that ditched are of very rare models of which no
museum has, yet the Navy will not permit any salvage efforts. Most are
still in decent shape due to the cold, fresh water of the lake. The only
known extant TBD "Devastator" torpedo bomber is among them.

--
"Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff."--

Frank Zappa--

[Scout]

"Ray Keller" <Left...@re.desperate.com> wrote in message
news:mkLnt.8619$uT3....@newsfe20.iad...

That was cool and a bit of history I wasn't aware of. Makes sense though
since we can then train carrier pilots and send them to the fleet ready to
go and we don't have to tie up a deep water carrier for training purposes.

[Richard]

That was then.

Now, the Lexington is a (barely) floating museum in Corpus Christi.

So where to Naval Aviators train now?

[Stormin Mormon]

With our Muslim in Chief, practicing apology
on the world. No need for aviators at present.

Besides, liberals are afraid of real men.
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.
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"Richard" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:5L-dnQ7Tn9VGaALM...@earthlink.com...
>> ...
>> http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=48962
>

[Jeff M]

Pensacola NAS

[deep]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 07:53:06 -0500, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
wrote:

There's several around the country. Mayport, Florida; Memphis,
Norfolk, Miramar, others I can't think of right now.

[bigdog]

Fascinating stuff. I am a WWII buff but this is one story I had never heard anything about. When I read the title, I was thinking, "How did they get the carriers in or out of the Great Lakes. The St. Lawrence Seaway wasn't opened the 1950s." Then I read the story and it all made perfect sense. Good post.

[bigdog]

Steady Eddy continues to display his man crush for Klaus.

[deep]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 06:43:06 -0700 (PDT), bigdog
<jecorb...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Fascinating stuff. I am a WWII buff but this is one story I had never heard anything about. When I read the title, I was thinking, "How did they get the carriers in or out of the Great Lakes. The St. Lawrence Seaway wasn't opened the 1950s." Then I read the story and it all made perfect sense. Good post.

I agree. Great post. I never heard about them either. Terrific
collection of pictures too. It would seem a lot of guys didn't get
qualified the first time judging from the conditions of their planes.
I wonder if they crashed the first time if they gave them a new plane
and let them try again.

[Ivan Bodley]

"bigdog" wrote in message
news:0c25c1a4-e8b7-4d82...@googlegroups.com...

>> On Friday, May 24, 2013 12:20:32 PM UTC-4, STEADY EDDY wrote:
>> On May 24, 8:04 am, "Ray Keller" <Lefta...@re.desperate.com> wrote:

> >> WW II Aircraft Carriers on the Great Lakes

> >> Check this out! USS Sable and USS Wolverine
> >>
> >> ...http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=48962

> Klaus served on the USS GotNoNuts.

> Steady Eddy continues to display his man crush for Klaus.

####

And NOW, Unsteady Eddy is in love with Deep DooDoo, who just a month ago was
calling everybody that replied to his posts was a retard, and hangs on to
his every word!

You suppose Eddy is kissing DooDoo's ass, in the hopes that he will be
welcome to his stash of Costco's canned Roast Beef at his fortress?

[Ivan Bodley]

"deep" wrote in message news:tfg1q85idkbbsegoe...@4ax.com...

####
Why not?
After all, YOU said that you were in the IAF (Indian Air Force) while
smoking pot with the Beatles with Ravvi Shankar.
Did YOU ever get your pilots license renewed after that?
Or is that why you hide in the mountains, bombing little girls with
claymores?

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 09:20:32 -0700 (PDT), STEADY EDDY
<steady...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Klaus served [..]

... and Eddy swung and missed.

He STILL can't come up with a cite for the "law" he claims makes it
illegal to have a loaded gun in the house.

[chuckle]

[Richard]

Pensacola is NOT an aircraft carrier.

I guess I should have asked - where do Naval Aviators
carrier qual these days?

[deep]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 22:28:23 -0500, Richard <cave...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

They do them on simulated carrier decks lined out on a runway at one
of the several Naval Air Stations across the country after learning on
a flight simulator. They use cameras and optical sensors to indicate
when they miss. That way they can go back and try again and not lose
an expensive jet or a pilot. I don't know how many successful
simulated landings they need before they get to land on an actual
carrier but it's a bunch.

[Jeff M]

After training, they do carrier quals with any active carrier, I suppose.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

He asked where they carrier qualify. They don't do it on a runway.
Runways don't move, you idiot.

SAN DIEGO (NNS) -- Navy pilots from Training Air Wing One (TRAWING-1)
and Training Air Wing Two (TRAWING-2) launched from Naval Base
Coronado (NBC) Nov. 4 to conduct flight deck qualifications aboard USS
Nimitz (CVN 68) off the coast of San Diego.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On May 26, 7:28 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Runways don't move, you idiot.

In California and Japan, they do,

-RFH

[deep]

They practice the moving deck landings on flight simulators. They
practice catapult takeoffs and arresting cable landings on a land
runway many, many times before they graduate to actual carrier quals.
They don't have training carriers like they did during WWII. They're
way to expensive to maintain strictly for qualifications.

>
>-RFH

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

And they QUALIFY on carriers. Like they always have.

[deep]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 06:05:04 -0500, Jeff M <NoS...@NoThanks.org>
wrote:

Yes, of course. After they do many, many catapult takeoffs and
arresting cable landings in a flight simulator and on a land runway.
All active carriers do qualification drills. They all do them all the
time but only after extensive training at a NAS.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

I was referring to "The Ring of Fire"

Get it?

Gee, these winger-baggers are born with the humor gene (*) lacking...

-RFH

(*) Among others.

[Jim Wilkins]

"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in message
news:0556d48e-affd-4a03...@g9g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

-I was referring to "The Ring of Fire"
-Get it?
-Gee, these winger-baggers are born with the humor gene (*) lacking...
-RFH

Keep the day job.

[deep]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 06:19:42 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"

<ra...@conexus.net> wrote:

>On May 26, 8:14 am, deep wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 05:35:03 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
>>
>> <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>> >On May 26, 7:28 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > > Runways don't move, you idiot.
>>
>> >In California and Japan, they do,
>>
>> They practice the moving deck landings on flight simulators.  They
>> practice catapult takeoffs and arresting cable landings on a land
>> runway many, many times before they graduate to actual carrier quals.
>> They don't have training carriers like they did during WWII.  They're
>> way to expensive to maintain strictly for qualifications.
>>
>>
>> >-RFH
>
>I was referring to "The Ring of Fire"
>
>Get it?
>

I realize that. I was answering the question seriously. It was a
legitimate question so I gave him a serious answer. They do simulator
and land based quals many, many times before they let them anywhere
near an actual aircraft carrier in a jet.

>Gee, these winger-baggers are born with the humor gene (*) lacking...
>

Uh, it wasn't funny.

>-RFH
>
>(*) Among others.

[David J. Hughes]

On 5/25/2013 10:28 PM, Richard wrote:

On land.
At about 8 different facilities they have a patch of concrete marked out
to the dimensions of a carrier deck, and the pilots do multiple touch
and goes to get their Carrier Qualification. Then they get assigned to
a squadron, and get to do it for real on whatever carrier they are
assigned to.

[Ramon F. Herrera]

On May 26, 8:25 am, "Jim Wilkins" <muratla...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in messagenews:0556d48e-affd-4a03...@g9g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

>
> -I was referring to "The Ring of Fire"
> -Get it?
> -Gee, these winger-baggers are born with the humor gene (*) lacking...
> -RFH
>

> Keep the day job.

Okay, let me give it another try. This is one that we have in
Venezuela:

Q: "Do you know the joke about the ocean?"
A: "No"
Q: "Actually, it's too deep for you".

[ba, bing!]

-Ramon

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

Poor Ramon. His show business career shot down.....

He should just stick to trolling.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

You're done here.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

There is only one place they can "qualify" and that is on a carrier.

Example:

[deep]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 08:27:33 -0500, "David J. Hughes"
<davidjh...@netzero.com> wrote:

They have more than lined out runways. They practice on land based
catapults and arresting gear many times before they let them near any
multi billion dollar aircraft carrier.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

That's called "training." It's different from "qualifying."

[Scout]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:prv3q8dgd6f7jhs2j...@4ax.com...

Actually, today the initial carrier landing training is done on a runway.
When they establish they can handle that part of it then they transition to
carrier landing and qualification on a carrier just off the US coast to
allow for a land based divert if they can't complete a carrier landing.
After all, you don't want to do carrier landing training and qualifications
in blue water ops (ie you either land on the carrier, or you will land in
the water. )

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

That is correct, just as I posted.

[Scout]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:eo24q8pc8760opnci...@4ax.com...

Final qualification takes place there, but much of the training takes place
long before they get to the carrier.

Even qualified pilots will shoot carrier landings and arrestments on an
airstrip to get back up to speed before they head to the carrier for final
qualification.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 12:08:05 -0400, "Scout"
<me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:eo24q8pc8760opnci...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:14:59 -0600, deep wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 05:35:03 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
>>><ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 26, 7:28 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Runways don't move, you idiot.
>>>>
>>>>In California and Japan, they do,
>>>
>>>They practice the moving deck landings on flight simulators. They
>>>practice catapult takeoffs and arresting cable landings on a land
>>>runway many, many times before they graduate to actual carrier quals.
>>>They don't have training carriers like they did during WWII. They're
>>>way to expensive to maintain strictly for qualifications.
>>
>> And they QUALIFY on carriers. Like they always have.
>
>Final qualification takes place there, but much of the training takes place
>long before they get to the carrier.

That is correct. There's practice, and then there is qualifying.

[rbowman]

wrote:

> They practice the moving deck landings on flight simulators. They
> practice catapult takeoffs and arresting cable landings on a land
> runway many, many times before they graduate to actual carrier quals.
> They don't have training carriers like they did during WWII. They're
> way to expensive to maintain strictly for qualifications.

http://www.someoldnews.com/?p=1371

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurston_Teal

Colonial, Lake, and Thurston were all related but when we bought the
building in the '70s the front door had the Thurston logo. We got an ammo
bunker in the deal but did not get the main hangar which was still standing.
There were quite a few partially destroyed buildings in the surrounding
woods. The old timers said there had been more than one unsuccessful
landings but I never found any airframe pieces.

On good days you could see the ocean from there if you were 1000' AGL but
that was about it.

[SaPeIsMa]

"Jim Wilkins" <murat...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:knt277$d99$2...@dont-email.me...

I believe this is his "day job".

[Richard]

So is keeping a fleet carrier within range for carrier quals.

In the late 70s the Lexington could only stay out for 5 days before
she would have taken on too much water to clear the sand bar going back
to Pensacola Bay.

So, as I asked, I wonder how they do carrier quals these days.
Especially for nuggets.

[Richard]

Absolutely correct.

The ship is a moving, pitching, rolling, turbulent, absolutely real
steel nightmare, compared to a sim or a runway.

That's why it is called a QUAL.

[Scout]

"Richard" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:HfydnQR_Xsj1Bj_M...@earthlink.com...

> On 5/26/2013 8:14 AM, deep wrote:
>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 05:35:03 -0700 (PDT), "Ramon F. Herrera"
>> <ra...@conexus.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On May 26, 7:28 am, Klaus Schadenfreude<klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Runways don't move, you idiot.
>>>
>>> In California and Japan, they do,
>>
>> They practice the moving deck landings on flight simulators. They
>> practice catapult takeoffs and arresting cable landings on a land
>> runway many, many times before they graduate to actual carrier quals.
>> They don't have training carriers like they did during WWII. They're
>> way to expensive to maintain strictly for qualifications.
>>
>>>
>>> -RFH
>
> So is keeping a fleet carrier within range for carrier quals.

Which is a lot less expensive than running a carrier all the time just for
this purpose.

> In the late 70s the Lexington could only stay out for 5 days before
> she would have taken on too much water to clear the sand bar going back to
> Pensacola Bay.
>
> So, as I asked, I wonder how they do carrier quals these days.
> Especially for nuggets.

Easy...in the months prior to a deployment all carrier pilots are required
to conduct a number of carrier 'operations' at one of a number of airfields,
including touch and goes, wave offs, traps, cats, operational procedures and
so on. Then after those training requirements are met they go out with the
carrier on one of it's pre-deployment shakedown cruises and practice that
again while at sea, and finally they have to be carrier qualified. And
usually again at least once during any major deployment. Oh, and these
training cruises aren't just for the pilots, but ships personal, flight deck
operations, emergency drills, it's a whole battery of things taking place.
Carrier qualification flight ops are but just one piece of it. All the
newbies are learning their jobs in the slower pace of the training
operations where you have someone who is experienced standing behind you
ready to take over at a moment's notice. After all when you're doing combat
landings and/or launch operations there is very little margin for screw-ups
or even momentary lapses in carrying out your job. You can't tell everyone
to just stop while you figure out where this plane is going to go, and you
better leave room for all those behind him. After all when a plane is
hitting the deck every 45-60 seconds, there isn't time for someone messing
up. Launching is just as bad because you only have so long to get your birds
in the air lest those that launched first encounter fuel problems at the end
of the mission. So no, this isn't just about qualifying pilots. Maybe in
WWII it was different different on the flight deck, now things are a bit
more complex.

[pyotr filipivich]

Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> on Sun, 26 May 2013
05:28:03 -0700 typed in misc.survivalism the following:

They do when you've smoked as much ganga as Deep did.

--
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.

[Michael A. Terrell]

What does 'Brain dead trolling' pay these days?

[deep]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 22:03:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>>>
>>>They do them on simulated carrier decks lined out on a runway at one
>>>of the several Naval Air Stations across the country after learning on
>>>a flight simulator.
>>
>>He asked where they carrier qualify. They don't do it on a runway.
>>Runways don't move, you idiot.
>
> They do when you've smoked as much ganga as Deep did.

US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are longer
than the swells so are unaffected. You can stand a pencil on the
table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship is
underway.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

LOL

Dudu knows as much about carriers as he does .45's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gGMI8d3vLs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0yj70QbBzg&feature=related

Navy pilots landing aboard the USS Nimitz during rough seas in the
Pacific.

Hey, the Nimitz is a "Nimitz-class" carrier isn't it?

"POINT PROVEN!"
Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP

[deep]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 18:36:13 -0500, Richard <cave...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

No it's not. Never been near a modern aircraft carrier I see. A
Nimitz class carrier is over 1000 feet long. You'll never get swells
near that long in any sea unless you're in a hurricane or just rode
out a tidal wave. They don't do training carrier quals in hurricanes.
In contrast WWII carriers were about half to 3/4 as long as the Nimitz
carriers and in WWII they had to operate in all weather because their
lives depended on it. You're comparing apples and oranges to compare
WWII carrier ops to modern ones.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 08:29:01 -0600, deep wrote:

>>The ship is a moving, pitching, rolling, turbulent, absolutely real
>>steel nightmare, compared to a sim or a runway.
>>
>No it's not. Never been near a modern aircraft carrier I see. A
>Nimitz class carrier is over 1000 feet long. You'll never get swells
>near that long in any sea unless you're in a hurricane or just rode
>out a tidal wave. They don't do training carrier quals in hurricanes.
>In contrast WWII carriers were about half to 3/4 as long as the Nimitz
>carriers and in WWII they had to operate in all weather because their
>lives depended on it. You're comparing apples and oranges to compare
>WWII carrier ops to modern ones.

You're really, REALLY fucking ignorant, Dudu.

But we already knew that.

Lie #368 is enshrined for our enjoyment.


http://klaus.webege.com/dudu/dudu.htm
Deep Dudu's FORTRESS OF LIES
Now With Over 360 Documented
Lies, Falsehoods, Fabrications, Distortions, and Deceptions!

[Ivan Bodley]

"deep" wrote in message news:jdq6q8he8t2dpgb0j...@4ax.com...

####
Egad!
Now "Deep Dudu" (A GIRLS NAME by the way) And A SELF PROCLAIMED aircraft
pilot from the Indian Air Force) says that all LARGE ships do NOT " pitch
and sway" and are not "effected by swells" at all!

What the fuck is wrong with his little brain?

[Ivan Bodley]

"deep" wrote in message news:1rq6q8d8blencljt5...@4ax.com...

####

Dudu ( a girls name) is an insane lying retard!
And nobody does aircraft launches or landings from or into a strip where a
Hurricane is taking place, you retarded "filtering" retard!

Your straw man was soaked wet when you changed the subject!

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 08:16:25 -0600, deep wrote:

>US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
>big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are longer
>than the swells so are unaffected. You can stand a pencil on the
>table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship is
>underway.

ROFLMAO Where do you GET this shit?

Is this your special Ninja Pencil you carry with you, or a regular
pencil?

[Meanwhile, aboard the Nimitz-class carrier USS NIMITZ...]

http://www.pbs.org/cove-media/http/PBS_CP_General_Audience/14/641/CARR107_HD_44khz.sami

WE CANNOT AFFORD TO HAVE AN AIRCRAFT THAT'S STARVED FOR
FUEL. THE NIMITZ IS 700 MILES AWAY FROM THE NEAREST DIVERT
FIELD. NO ONE WAS GOING TO MAKE IT 700 MILES.


DID YOU WATCH THE DECK? DUDE, ALL I KNOW IS, I WAS
IN CLOSE, AND THEY WERE LIKE, "LITTLE POWER." I LOOK DOWN, AND
I SAW THE [BEEP] BACK OF THE SHIP ABOVE ME, AND I WAS LIKE,
"AHHHHHHHH!"

THERE'S BEEN TIMES IT LOOKS LIKE GUYS ARE PROBABLY LOOKING
DOWN ON THE DECK, AND THE DECK COMES UP AND
CATCHES THEM, AND THEY TRAP. I COULD JUST HEAR PADDLES,
LIKE, "GIVE IT POWER," SO I GAVE IT POWER, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN
IT JUST, LIKE, FROM THE DECK, LIKE, BEING ABOVE ME, IT JUST
GOES WHOOOM! AND I WAS LIKE, "HEY, EVERYBODY DOWN THERE, HOW Y'ALL
DOING? I WANT TO STAY UP HERE. IT'S SAFE UP HERE." AHHH. I
NEED A DRINK. HA HA HA! NO, I'M JUST [BEEP] SHAKING STILL.

EASY WITH IT. EASY WITH IT.

WE'RE ALMOST DONE.
JAR-JAR IS GOING AROUND. THE DECK'S STEADY, JAR-JAR'S GOING
AROUND. HERE WE GO. OUT OF THERE. WAVE OFF, WAVE OFF.
NOW I'M STARTING TO GET PRETTY NERVOUS. REALIZING THAT,
HEY, THIS IS NO JOKE, AND THE DECK IS EVERYWHERE.

1-0-2, RHINO. BALL. 7-5 AUTO.
I ALWAYS GET AN EERIE FEELING WHEN I'M THE LAST GUY
ON BOARD, I'LL TELL YOU THAT.
1-0-2 ON COURSE. 5 MILES.
THERE'S NO ONE TO SAVE YOU. THERE'S NO GAS AIRBORNE. YOU
GOT TO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO GET ON DECK.
LOOK AT THAT.
DECK PITCHING. HE STAYS
RIGHT THERE.
IT'S JUST LIKE...
SEX. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?
IF HE GOES AROUND ONE TIME,
IT'S GOING TO BE IN HIS HEAD,
AND HE'S GOING TO BE PISSED OFF,
AND IT'S GOING TO AFFECT HIS
NEXT BREAK. IT'S GOING TO TAKE
AN APPROACH.
HE'S GONNA GET ABOARD.
NO, [BEEP] A MIND GAME. HE'S
GOING AROUND TWICE.

I bet Dudu's pencil fell over.

[chuckle]

[George Plimpton]

On 5/27/2013 7:16 AM, Scheisskopf - stupid yapping Shithead - blabbered
ignorantly:

> On Sun, 26 May 2013 22:03:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> They do them on simulated carrier decks lined out on a runway at one
>>>> of the several Naval Air Stations across the country after learning on
>>>> a flight simulator.
>>>
>>> He asked where they carrier qualify. They don't do it on a runway.
>>> Runways don't move, you idiot.
>>
>> They do when you've smoked as much ganga as Deep did.
>
> US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
> big.

SHUT YOUR FUCKING YAP, SHITHEAD!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ki8Ji4HQVU

Aircraft carriers pitch and roll. That's just a fact. You goddamned
ignorant shit-4-braincell shitbag - keep your fucking mouth shut.

[deep]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 08:20:05 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
wrote:

Oh that's nothing you dumbass. Nothing at all like the WWII ships.
Everything you know about modern carriers you learnt on Youtube.

too funny.

can always count on you bozos.

[George Plimpton]

Stupid shithead: you said "US aircraft carriers don't 'pitch and roll'
any more." You are *WRONG*, Shithead - they *do* pitch and roll, you
stupid shit-gobbling ignorant fat fuck, and there are videos all over
Youtube proving it.

Shut your fucking yap *now*.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

Goal post move!

>Everything you know about modern carriers you learnt on Youtube.

Dudu caught lying AGAIN.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 08:40:59 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>

" You can stand a pencil on the table in the mess hall and it will
stand upright while the ship is underway."

-Deep Dudu, Naval Expert

I wonder how many years of Navy service Dudu will claim?

[George Plimpton]

On 5/27/2013 8:43 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> On Mon, 27 May 2013 09:33:47 -0600, deep wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 27 May 2013 08:20:05 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/27/2013 7:16 AM, Scheisskopf - stupid yapping Shithead - blabbered
>>> ignorantly:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 22:03:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>>> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They do them on simulated carrier decks lined out on a runway at one
>>>>>>> of the several Naval Air Stations across the country after learning on
>>>>>>> a flight simulator.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He asked where they carrier qualify. They don't do it on a runway.
>>>>>> Runways don't move, you idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> They do when you've smoked as much ganga as Deep did.
>>>>
>>>> US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
>>>> big.
>>>
>>> SHUT YOUR FUCKING YAP, SHITHEAD!!!
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ki8Ji4HQVU
>>>
>>> Aircraft carriers pitch and roll. That's just a fact. You goddamned
>>> ignorant shit-4-braincell shitbag - keep your fucking mouth shut.
>>
>> Oh that's nothing you dumbass. Nothing at all like the WWII ships.
>
> Goal post move!

Correct. He flatly said that modern US carriers do not pitch and roll,
and that's demonstrably false. There actually are a couple of video
segments from that PBS show, and one of them has the pilots talking
about how extremely dangerous landings are on a pitching deck.

As always, Scheisskopf doesn't know one fucking thing about it.

>> Everything you know about modern carriers you learnt on Youtube.
>
> Dudu caught lying AGAIN.

I could say that I *did* learn everything I know about carriers from
watching Youtube, and that still would make me *VASTLY* more
knowledgeable about them than Scheisskopf, the ignorant shit-4-braincell
lying fat fuck.

[ex-PFC Wintergreen]

Dunno, but it will be bullshit - bullshit on the same order as gummer
claiming to have done combat duty in Vietnam.

[Richard]

Easy guys...

Lying is telling something you know is not true.

Wrong is telling something you believe to be true - but isn't.

He was wrong.

His real crime was thinking that he knew what he was talking about
and shooting his mouth off - again.

[deep]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:00:38 -0500, Richard <cave...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

I do know what I'm talking about. I was in the Navy. Never stationed
on a Nimitz class but knew many people who were. Compared to WWII
class carriers modern carriers barely move and jet glide paths in
landings are all computerized regardless of sea conditions. The pilot
pretty much just follows his glide path indicator. Additionally
carriers have stabilizer planes which smooth out pitch and roll. That
video was nothing. Maybe a 2-3 degree pitch. It was extremely high
seas. High winds and even major whitecaps. Those were extreme
condtions and maybe they had their stabilizers turned off to create
more deck movement. Doesn't change the answer to your question that
most carrier quals are performed on land many times before getting
anywhere close to an actual carrier. Especially not one in high seas.
If you want to know a few things about Nimitz class carriers try
Jane's, not Youtube.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 10:15:55 -0600, deep wrote:

>On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:00:38 -0500, Richard <cave...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Easy guys...
>>
>>Lying is telling something you know is not true.
>>
>>Wrong is telling something you believe to be true - but isn't.
>>
>>He was wrong.
>>
>>His real crime was thinking that he knew what he was talking about
>>and shooting his mouth off - again.
>>
>I do know what I'm talking about. I was in the Navy.

LOL. I *TOLD* you he'd claim he was in the Navy!

ROFLMAO

> Never stationed
>on a Nimitz class but knew many people who were. Compared to WWII
>class carriers modern carriers barely move and jet glide paths in
>landings are all computerized regardless of sea conditions. The pilot
>pretty much just follows his glide path indicator. Additionally
>carriers have stabilizer planes which smooth out pitch and roll. That
>video was nothing. Maybe a 2-3 degree pitch.

Pretty funny coming from a guy who has never landed on a carrier
before. And doesn't know anything about carrier landings.

>It was extremely high
>seas. High winds and even major whitecaps. Those were extreme
>condtions and maybe they had their stabilizers turned off to create
>more deck movement.

LOL And why would they do that during combat operations? Are you
REALLY this insane?

> Doesn't change the answer to your question that
>most carrier quals are performed on land many times before getting
>anywhere close to an actual carrier.

You qualify by landing ON a carrier, as I proved already.

> Especially not one in high seas.
>If you want to know a few things about Nimitz class carriers try
>Jane's, not Youtube.

FACT: You claimed:

>> US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
>> big.

You were lying.

Now the fun part begins- watching you try to deny it for the next
year....

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:00:38 -0500, Richard <cave...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>Easy guys...
>
>Lying is telling something you know is not true.

He knows it's not true.

Or he's completely insane. You pick.

[Ivan Bodley]

"deep" wrote in message news:utu6q8tvca4nkdrta...@4ax.com...

#####

DooDoo, says the seas were much more or less calm during WW-2 !
And that carriers were so much smaller then those today!

[Ivan Bodley]

"deep" wrote in message news:h417q8hf87luhpmr1...@4ax.com...

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:00:38 -0500, Richard <cave...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>Easy guys...
>
>Lying is telling something you know is not true.
>
>Wrong is telling something you believe to be true - but isn't.
>
>He was wrong.
>
>His real crime was thinking that he knew what he was talking about
>and shooting his mouth off - again.
>

I do know what I'm talking about. I was in the Navy.

####
This is where he starts to lie again!
DooDoo was NEVER in any of the armed forces of and for any known nation!



Doo Doo states: "Never stationed..."

[George Plimpton]

On 5/27/2013 9:15 AM, Scheisskopf - ignorant, lying shit-4-braincell
Shithead - lied:

Did you watch the PBS video, Scheisskopf, and listen to what those
pilots were saying? Obviously not.

[Richard]

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Usually...

So I think he's just insane.

[George Plimpton]

That's undoubtedly correct.

[Scout]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:srq6q8pacvdp3dcka...@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 27 May 2013 08:16:25 -0600, deep wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 22:03:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>They do them on simulated carrier decks lined out on a runway at one
>>>>>of the several Naval Air Stations across the country after learning on
>>>>>a flight simulator.
>>>>
>>>>He asked where they carrier qualify. They don't do it on a runway.
>>>>Runways don't move, you idiot.
>>>
>>> They do when you've smoked as much ganga as Deep did.
>>
>>US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
>>big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are longer
>>than the swells so are unaffected. You can stand a pencil on the
>>table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship is
>>underway.

BULLSHIT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4gGMI8d3vLs#!

Unlike Dudu, I've been on a carrier and we did conduct flight ops in heavy
seas and high winds.

> LOL
>
> Dudu knows as much about carriers as he does .45's.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gGMI8d3vLs
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0yj70QbBzg&feature=related
>
> Navy pilots landing aboard the USS Nimitz during rough seas in the
> Pacific.
>
> Hey, the Nimitz is a "Nimitz-class" carrier isn't it?

Yep, and we recover with a deck pitching all over the place, rolls of
several degrees and even slight cross winds. After all there is a reason why
the FLOLS is gyro stabilized.

They can handle a pitch of plus or minus 6 degrees (12 degrees total) , a
roll of plus or minus 10 degrees (20 degrees total). Now a very mild pitch
of 1.5 degrees plus and minus (or 3 degrees total) equals a deck moving
about 5.5 feet up and down in the landing area.

A typical day......watch the pitching deck (oh and PS the bolters (ie
missing the wire) is intentional, the pilot overshoots the wires to preform
an effective touch and go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVgBayUfPJU&feature=player_embedded

And then of course, this doesn't even consider when conditions are so bad
that flights ops aren't even possible. Say a pitch from +15 degrees to -15
degrees and rolls of +12 degrees to -12 degrees.
Such as we went through in the North Atlantic. Yea, I would like to see
Dudu's magic #2 pencil standing up through that.

For someone that CLAIMS to be ex-navy Dudu really should know better. But
apparently he may have lied about his military background yet again.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:41:36 -0500, Richard <cave...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

Possible. He's probably both.

Sufferers of pseudologia fantastica may or may not be aware they're
lying. However, Dudu continues to lie even when presented with the
facts. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he's not
completely insane. And he CAN tell the truth-- I've seen it.

One thing we do know for sure. He likes making shit up.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 09:41:40 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
wrote:

I predicted he would claim he was in the Navy, and I was right.

Now I'm wondering if I should go out on a limb and predict that he
will say he contributed to Janes.

[Ivan Bodley]

"Richard" wrote in message
news:H4GdnYPzVvfrHj7M...@earthlink.com...

####
Such is Deep Dudu, (a girls name) when he lied about something he knows
nothing about and constantly proven wrong!

[Ivan Bodley]

"George Plimpton" wrote in message
news:d26e9$51a38e67$414e828e$66...@EVERESTKC.NET...

####

And I believe he ate "Lookout" ... whole!
After all, where IS that Ambien absorbing freak now?

[Scout]

"Ivan Bodley" <bas...@bass.gov> wrote in message
news:51a36f6e$0$20200$607e...@cv.net...

He thinks he knows more than he does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mWpQ_0fqJOM#!

And here's a fun one, though you can't see it the yellow shirt is directing
an aircraft moving up the deck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_SV_lRIJ3E&feature=player_embedded

And consider....Dudu CLAIMS to be ex-navy.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

If he was in the Navy I'm sure he spent most of it as NEC 0090.

[deep]

I was in for six years. E5, DS2, Estocin class frigate. The Nimitz
was stationed at Norfolk when I was there. Knew lots of guys who just
came off a 6 month deployment.

[Ivan Bodley]

"Scout" wrote in message news:ko02dm$ib6$1...@dont-email.me...

###
WAIT FOR IT!
Doo Doo( a girls name) will say that "taking off " is one thing but
"landing is a big dif", as the ocean swells were different back then!

[Padraigh ProAmerica]

Re: WW II Aircraft Carriers on the Great Lakes

Group: talk.politics.guns Date: Sat, May 25, 2013, 10:28pm (EDT-1) From:
cave...@earthlink.net (Richard)
On 5/25/2013 7:53 AM, Jeff M wrote:
On 5/24/2013 8:49 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
With our Muslim in Chief, practicing apology on the world. No need for
aviators at present.
Besides, liberals are afraid of real men.

Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

"Richard" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:5L-dnQ7Tn9VGaALM...@earthlink.com...
..
http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=48962
That was then.
Now, the Lexington is a (barely) floating museum in Corpus Christi.
So where to Naval Aviators train now?
Pensacola NAS
Pensacola is NOT an aircraft carrier.
I guess I should have asked - where do Naval Aviators carrier qual these
days?

====================

Probably on a carrier scheduled for refit.
The ORIGINAL plan was for one of the three MIDWAY-class carriers
(MIDWAY/CORAL SEA/ FRANKLIN DeLANO ROOSEVELT) to replace LEXINGTON, but
Bubba Clinton ordered them scapped as soon as they were taken out of
front-line service.

--
"Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff."--

Frank Zappa--

[Ivan Bodley]

"deep" wrote in message news:f447q81im5dmrdpfa...@4ax.com...

###
You LIE again, LIAR!

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

ROFLMAO

Stop now.

You've already been proven a liar.

It's a lost cause.

[deep]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 12:46:37 -0400, "Scout"
<me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>

>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:srq6q8pacvdp3dcka...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 27 May 2013 08:16:25 -0600, deep wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 22:03:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They do them on simulated carrier decks lined out on a runway at one
>>>>>>of the several Naval Air Stations across the country after learning on
>>>>>>a flight simulator.
>>>>>
>>>>>He asked where they carrier qualify. They don't do it on a runway.
>>>>>Runways don't move, you idiot.
>>>>
>>>> They do when you've smoked as much ganga as Deep did.
>>>
>>>US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
>>>big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are longer
>>>than the swells so are unaffected. You can stand a pencil on the
>>>table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship is
>>>underway.
>
>BULLSHIT.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4gGMI8d3vLs#!
>
>Unlike Dudu, I've been on a carrier and we did conduct flight ops in heavy
>seas and high winds.
>

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

That's a new one! You never claimed to be in the Navy before. if you
are going to lie all the time you should try being consistent.

"Best thing about telling the truth is you never have to remember what
you said." Samuel Clements.

>> LOL
>>
>> Dudu knows as much about carriers as he does .45's.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gGMI8d3vLs
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0yj70QbBzg&feature=related
>>
>> Navy pilots landing aboard the USS Nimitz during rough seas in the
>> Pacific.
>>
>> Hey, the Nimitz is a "Nimitz-class" carrier isn't it?

Hahahahahaha.

<another lying rant snipped>

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

So why does never before making the claim make it a lie?

Or are you saying that any new claim YOU make is a lie?

Do you even know what logic *is*???

>"Best thing about telling the truth is you never have to remember what
>you said." Samuel Clements.

"Clemens," you ignorant, lying dirt bag.

>
>>> LOL
>>>
>>> Dudu knows as much about carriers as he does .45's.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gGMI8d3vLs
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0yj70QbBzg&feature=related
>>>
>>> Navy pilots landing aboard the USS Nimitz during rough seas in the
>>> Pacific.
>>>
>>> Hey, the Nimitz is a "Nimitz-class" carrier isn't it?
>
>Hahahahahaha.
><another lying rant snipped>

And Dudu runs away from his lies AGAIN.

[Scout]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:ggr6q8p81gv47ijb6...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 27 May 2013 08:29:01 -0600, deep wrote:
>
>>>The ship is a moving, pitching, rolling, turbulent, absolutely real
>>>steel nightmare, compared to a sim or a runway.
>>>
>>No it's not. Never been near a modern aircraft carrier I see. A
>>Nimitz class carrier is over 1000 feet long. You'll never get swells
>>near that long in any sea unless you're in a hurricane or just rode
>>out a tidal wave. They don't do training carrier quals in hurricanes.
>>In contrast WWII carriers were about half to 3/4 as long as the Nimitz
>>carriers and in WWII they had to operate in all weather because their
>>lives depended on it. You're comparing apples and oranges to compare
>>WWII carrier ops to modern ones.
>
> You're really, REALLY fucking ignorant, Dudu.
>
> But we already knew that.
>
> Lie #368 is enshrined for our enjoyment.

May I suggest you include the following with that one.

deep <de...@dudu.org> wrote in
news:973758pftjvvcoe8r...@4ax.com:
"1977-1983 USN DS2(E5) USS Estocian FFG15"

Because in my mind this seriously challenges his claims to being a US navy
vet as well.

[Scout]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:lmv6q81911ee5304r...@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 27 May 2013 09:33:47 -0600, deep wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 May 2013 08:20:05 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 5/27/2013 7:16 AM, Scheisskopf - stupid yapping Shithead - blabbered
>>>ignorantly:
>>>

>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 22:03:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>>> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They do them on simulated carrier decks lined out on a runway at one
>>>>>>> of the several Naval Air Stations across the country after learning
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> a flight simulator.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He asked where they carrier qualify. They don't do it on a runway.
>>>>>> Runways don't move, you idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> They do when you've smoked as much ganga as Deep did.
>>>>
>>>> US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
>>>> big.
>>>

>>>SHUT YOUR FUCKING YAP, SHITHEAD!!!
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ki8Ji4HQVU
>>>
>>>Aircraft carriers pitch and roll. That's just a fact. You goddamned
>>>ignorant shit-4-braincell shitbag - keep your fucking mouth shut.
>>
>>Oh that's nothing you dumbass. Nothing at all like the WWII ships.
>

> Goal post move!

I have to wonder about Dudu's claims of his personal knowledge of the
roll/pitch differences between WWII aircraft carriers and modern carriers.

Maybe that was when he was an officer in the Indian Air Force prior to
becoming a petty officer in the US Navy...

>>Everything you know about modern carriers you learnt on Youtube.
>

> Dudu caught lying AGAIN.

Are you surprised?

[Scout]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:kpv6q8dpncf89ht3s...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 27 May 2013 08:40:59 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:

>
>>On 5/27/2013 8:33 AM, deep wrote:
>>> On Mon, 27 May 2013 08:20:05 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/27/2013 7:16 AM, Scheisskopf - stupid yapping Shithead - blabbered
>>>> ignorantly:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 22:03:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>>>> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They do them on simulated carrier decks lined out on a runway at
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> of the several Naval Air Stations across the country after learning
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> a flight simulator.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He asked where they carrier qualify. They don't do it on a runway.
>>>>>>> Runways don't move, you idiot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They do when you've smoked as much ganga as Deep did.
>>>>>
>>>>> US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
>>>>> big.
>>>>
>>>> SHUT YOUR FUCKING YAP, SHITHEAD!!!
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ki8Ji4HQVU
>>>>
>>>> Aircraft carriers pitch and roll. That's just a fact. You goddamned
>>>> ignorant shit-4-braincell shitbag - keep your fucking mouth shut.
>>>
>>> Oh that's nothing you dumbass. Nothing at all like the WWII ships.
>>

>>Stupid shithead: you said "US aircraft carriers don't 'pitch and roll'
>>any more." You are *WRONG*, Shithead - they *do* pitch and roll, you
>>stupid shit-gobbling ignorant fat fuck, and there are videos all over
>>Youtube proving it.
>>
>>Shut your fucking yap *now*.
>

> " You can stand a pencil on the table in the mess hall and it will
> stand upright while the ship is underway."

> -Deep Dudu, Naval Expert
>
> I wonder how many years of Navy service Dudu will claim?

He's already claimed them.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

While I seriously doubt Dudu is a vet of *any* kind, I'd need proof he
didn't serve aboard the Estocian, although he probably just picked it
out of a list somewhere.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

I must have missed that particular lie. He generates them so fast it's
difficult to keep up.

[RD Sandman]

deep wrote in news:uk47q8l7disk046gd...@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 27 May 2013 12:46:37 -0400, "Scout"
> <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:srq6q8pacvdp3dcka...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 27 May 2013 08:16:25 -0600, deep wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 26 May 2013 22:03:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>>><ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They do them on simulated carrier decks lined out on a runway at
>>>>>>>one of the several Naval Air Stations across the country after
>>>>>>>learning on a flight simulator.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He asked where they carrier qualify. They don't do it on a runway.
>>>>>>Runways don't move, you idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> They do when you've smoked as much ganga as Deep did.
>>>>
>>>>US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
>>>>big. Nimitz class carriers are over 1000 feet long. They are
>>>>longer than the swells so are unaffected. You can stand a pencil on
>>>>the table in the mess hall and it will stand upright while the ship
>>>>is underway.
>>
>>BULLSHIT.
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4gGMI8d3vLs#!
>>
>>Unlike Dudu, I've been on a carrier and we did conduct flight ops in
>>heavy seas and high winds.
>>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
>
> That's a new one! You never claimed to be in the Navy before.

Yes, he has. You, apparently, missed it.



--
Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman

You can be young without money, but you
can't be old without it.

[Scout]

"Ivan Bodley" <bas...@bass.gov> wrote in message

news:51a3926e$0$20236$607e...@cv.net...

Well let's put it this way. By Dudu's own admission he has ZERO real
knowledge of how a US carrier acts at sea.

Meanwhile those of us who actually served on US carriers declare his claim
to be utter bullshit.

And while it's true the USS Nimitz was stationed at Norfolk, the USS Estocin
FFG-15 was stationed out of Mayport, FL.

So I find it quite hard to believe that DS2 Dudu spent any time rubbing
elbows with sailors off the Nimitz given it's a good 9 hour drive between
the two.

Indeed, I now seriously question his claim to even be a US navy vet with sea
service or any other sort of service with the US Navy.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

Was it our Navy, or the Indian Navy?

[Scout]

"Richard" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:H4GdnYPzVvfrHj7M...@earthlink.com...

> Easy guys...
>
> Lying is telling something you know is not true.
>
> Wrong is telling something you believe to be true - but isn't.
>
> He was wrong.
>
> His real crime was thinking that he knew what he was talking about
> and shooting his mouth off - again.

Excuse me, but as a person who claims to be a navy vet with sea
service....he should know better.

That puts it into the realm of lying.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

It's not just in the Realm of Lying.

It's sitting on the Royal Throne in the heart of the Capital of Lying.
:)

And the really cool part.... is how many MORE lies it generates. We'll
be at 400 lies in no time.

And here I was going to ignore the thread.....

[Scout]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:9m17q85kb9gldtiq9...@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 27 May 2013 10:15:55 -0600, deep wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:00:38 -0500, Richard <cave...@earthlink.net>
>>wrote:
>>

>>>Easy guys...
>>>
>>>Lying is telling something you know is not true.
>>>
>>>Wrong is telling something you believe to be true - but isn't.
>>>
>>>He was wrong.
>>>
>>>His real crime was thinking that he knew what he was talking about
>>>and shooting his mouth off - again.
>>>

>>I do know what I'm talking about. I was in the Navy.
>

> LOL. I *TOLD* you he'd claim he was in the Navy!
>
> ROFLMAO

Not a surprise, he already had.

>> Never stationed
>>on a Nimitz class but knew many people who were.

Sure, after all, there are a lot of carriers stationed in Mayport, Florida.

>> Compared to WWII
>>class carriers modern carriers barely move

Actually they move quite a bit. Probably on the order of 60% of the movement
of a WWII carrier. Not exactly what you would call "barely" move.

> and jet glide paths in
>>landings are all computerized regardless of sea conditions.

No, actually many are flown by hand since only a few of the latest aircraft
are equipped to allow their auto-pilots to couple with the automatic carrier
landing system to perform a "hands off approach"

>> The pilot
>>pretty much just follows his glide path indicator. Additionally
>>carriers have stabilizer planes which smooth out pitch and roll.

Actually, they don't. US carriers don't have stabilizers. They aren't cruise
liners.

>>That video was nothing. Maybe a 2-3 degree pitch.

Yea, and that's just enough to make it interesting. Now think what you would
get with some REAL waves.


> Pretty funny coming from a guy who has never landed on a carrier
> before. And doesn't know anything about carrier landings.

Hell, I doubt he's ever even sailed on a carrier.

>>It was extremely high
>>seas. High winds and even major whitecaps. Those were extreme
>>condtions and maybe they had their stabilizers turned off to create
>>more deck movement.

Stabilizers?

US carriers don't HAVE stabilizers. In fact I don't think any US warship
does.
We're not fucking cruise liners.

> LOL And why would they do that during combat operations? Are you
> REALLY this insane?

No, he's just ignorant and thinks we equip our warships like they were
cruise liners.

>> Doesn't change the answer to your question that
>>most carrier quals are performed on land many times before getting
>>anywhere close to an actual carrier.
>

> You qualify by landing ON a carrier, as I proved already.

Yep, Carrier landing training can occur, in part, on land, but final carrier
landing qualification is done exclusively on a carrier at sea. (or in the
past on the Great Lakes)

>> Especially not one in high seas.
>>If you want to know a few things about Nimitz class carriers try
>>Jane's, not Youtube.
>

> FACT: You claimed:

>
>>> US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
>>> big.
>

> You were lying.

Damn straight he lied because with his naval 'experience' that he claims it
could only be a lie.

> Now the fun part begins- watching you try to deny it for the next
> year....

Year?

Add an 's' to the end of that.

[Scout]

"Richard" <cave...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> On 5/27/2013 11:21 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 May 2013 11:00:38 -0500, Richard<cave...@earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Easy guys...
>>>
>>> Lying is telling something you know is not true.
>>

>> He knows it's not true.
>>
>> Or he's completely insane. You pick.
>>
>>
>
> I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.
>
> Usually...
>
> So I think he's just insane.

Dudu has run through any possible benefit of the doubt for most people here.

All I can say is that you will learn about Dudu if you stick around.

[Scout]

"Ivan Bodley" <bas...@bass.gov> wrote in message

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>
>
> "deep" wrote in message news:utu6q8tvca4nkdrta...@4ax.com...

>
> On Mon, 27 May 2013 08:20:05 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>
> wrote:
>
>>On 5/27/2013 7:16 AM, Scheisskopf - stupid yapping Shithead - blabbered
>>ignorantly:
>>

>>> On Sun, 26 May 2013 22:03:25 -0700, pyotr filipivich
>>> <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They do them on simulated carrier decks lined out on a runway at one
>>>>>> of the several Naval Air Stations across the country after learning
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> a flight simulator.
>>>>>
>>>>> He asked where they carrier qualify. They don't do it on a runway.
>>>>> Runways don't move, you idiot.
>>>>
>>>> They do when you've smoked as much ganga as Deep did.
>>>

>>> US aircraft carriers don't "pitch and roll" any more. They are too
>>> big.
>>

>>SHUT YOUR FUCKING YAP, SHITHEAD!!!
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ki8Ji4HQVU
>>
>>Aircraft carriers pitch and roll. That's just a fact. You goddamned
>>ignorant shit-4-braincell shitbag - keep your fucking mouth shut.
>
> Oh that's nothing you dumbass. Nothing at all like the WWII ships.

> Everything you know about modern carriers you learnt on Youtube.
>

> too funny.
> #####
>
> DooDoo, says the seas were much more or less calm during WW-2 !
> And that carriers were so much smaller then those today!

Well they were smaller 820-870 feet for the Essex class fleet carriers, so
about 200-250 feet shorter than the Nimitz supercarrier class.
But the difference isn't enough to make the modern carriers seem to "barely
move" in comparison and certainly not support a claim that they don't pitch
or roll anymore.
I could run the numbers but off hand I would guestimate based on the keel
length and the resonance frequency that would mean that they would probably
experience about 70% of the pitch and maybe 50% of the roll. Of course, on
the other hand, we now launch and recover in weather that would have kept
WWII aircraft grounded.

[Scout]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Actually I have

http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.guns/msg/ef7933e6a7d5855d?hl=en&dmode=source

You will note the date is 1997...

And then several years ago I posted a link to my DD-214 to tpg when the
issue of who was really a vet was raised.

Sorry, but I not only have indicated this before, but unlike you I proved
it.

Care to try another BS excuse?

>> if you
>>are going to lie all the time you should try being consistent.
>
> So why does never before making the claim make it a lie?
>
> Or are you saying that any new claim YOU make is a lie?
>
> Do you even know what logic *is*???

Actually, I've not only said this before, but actually backed it up with a
link to a copy of my DD-214.

Something I doubt that Dudu would ever do....or could do.

>>"Best thing about telling the truth is you never have to remember what
>>you said." Samuel Clements.
>
> "Clemens," you ignorant, lying dirt bag.
>
>
>>
>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>>> Dudu knows as much about carriers as he does .45's.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gGMI8d3vLs
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0yj70QbBzg&feature=related
>>>>
>>>> Navy pilots landing aboard the USS Nimitz during rough seas in the
>>>> Pacific.
>>>>
>>>> Hey, the Nimitz is a "Nimitz-class" carrier isn't it?
>>
>>Hahahahahaha.
>><another lying rant snipped>
>
> And Dudu runs away from his lies AGAIN.

Running away, I thought he was sort of adding to them.

Now he's claiming that despite being ported in Mayport, Fl he was rubbing
shoulders with sailors off the Nimitz ported in Norfolk, Va.

[Scout]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

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Well consider this.

Dudu just recently claimed to know all about modern air craft carriers
because of the time he spent with sailors off the USS Nimitz in Norfolk,
Virginia.

Yet, the USS Estocian was ported in Mayport, Florida. So did Dudu drive 18
hours just to mix with those sailors?

His story doesn't hold up any more than his one about being an officer in
the Indian Air Force.

[RD Sandman]

Klaus Schadenfreude <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in

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Scout or Deep? Dudu claimed he was a retired officer in the Indian Air
Force. Scout said he was in the navy. Even Lookout was in the army. Of
course he also claimed he was the best medic in the outfit and that is
why he ended up driving a jeep.

[deep]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 12:55:38 -0400, "Scout"
<me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>He thinks he knows more than he does.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mWpQ_0fqJOM#!
>
>And here's a fun one, though you can't see it the yellow shirt is directing
>an aircraft moving up the deck.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_SV_lRIJ3E&feature=player_embedded
>
>And consider....Dudu CLAIMS to be ex-navy.

Riiiiight. Everything you know about aircraft carriers you learnted
frum Youtube.

here, try Jane's

http://www.janes.com/products/janes/defence/det-products/fighting-ships.aspx

[Scout]

"RD Sandman" <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Yep, and way back when I posted a link to a scan of my DD-214. I don't
believe that Dudu or Lookout ever went so far as that.