>>>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:47:31 -0400, Brian E. Clark
>>>>> <brianecl...@newsgroup.reply.only> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <7RBUMF2Q40994.4666319...@reece.net.au>,
>>>>>> quick.fa...@barackobama.com says...
>>>>>>> Subject: 6' 3" Trayvon Martin vs. 5' 9" George Zimmerman. Who would
>>>>>>> win?
>>>>>> How tall was the gun?
>>>>> Tall enough to do the job. Pity the kid didnt understand that Florida
>>>>> (and 45 other states) allows citizens to protect themselves with one.
>>>> Protect themselves from what - a black
>>>> kid walking down the street minding his
>>>> own business?
>>> Feel free to produce your definitive evidence he was "walking down the
>>> street minding his own business, mitchyboy.
>> Zimmerman's own call didn't name any crime
>> he was committing. What do you have that says
>> differently?
> Maybe the fact that martin did NOT head for home?
First of all, how do you know that Trayvon was not headed for the place he was staying?
Second, Florida's got some goofy laws but 'not heading for home' after buying snacks is probably not on the list.
>>> Feel free to produce your definitive evidence he was "walking down the
>>> street minding his own business, mitchyboy.
>> Zimmerman's own call didn't name any crime
>> he was committing. What do you have that says
>> differently?
> Maybe the fact that martin did NOT head for home?
Fact? What evidence established this "fact"? I didn't realize there way any proof of such. But if Martin deviated from whatever supposed reasonable course to where he was staying was, several explanations are possible, none of which is are crimes. Perhaps he wasn't too familiar with the neighborhood. Maybe he was reacting to being followed by Zimmerman. Possibly he was distracted by talking to his girlfriend on the cellphone.
In any case, Zimmerman certainly would not have had any idea what Martin's course should be, where his home was, or whether Martin was or was not headed directly to it. Even if Martin was somehow off-course, it could not possibly have made any difference whatsoever.
>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:47:31 -0400, Brian E. Clark
>>>>>> <brianecl...@newsgroup.reply.only> wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <7RBUMF2Q40994.4666319...@reece.net.au>,
>>>>>>> quick.fa...@barackobama.com says...
>>>>>>>> Subject: 6' 3" Trayvon Martin vs. 5' 9" George Zimmerman. Who would
>>>>>>>> win?
>>>>>>> How tall was the gun?
>>>>>> Tall enough to do the job. Pity the kid didnt understand that Florida
>>>>>> (and 45 other states) allows citizens to protect themselves with one.
>>>>> Protect themselves from what - a black
>>>>> kid walking down the street minding his
>>>>> own business?
>>>> Feel free to produce your definitive evidence he was "walking down the
>>>> street minding his own business, mitchyboy.
>>> Zimmerman's own call didn't name any crime
>>> he was committing. What do you have that says
>>> differently?
>> Maybe the fact that martin did NOT head for home?
> First of all, how do you know that Trayvon was not headed for the place he > was staying?
Reports of his location given during the 911 call, plus where he was shot.
Nor is the place he was shot on a line from the store to the house he was staying.
>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:47:31 -0400, Brian E. Clark
>>>>>>> <brianecl...@newsgroup.reply.only> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <7RBUMF2Q40994.4666319...@reece.net.au>,
>>>>>>>> quick.fa...@barackobama.com says...
>>>>>>>>> Subject: 6' 3" Trayvon Martin vs. 5' 9" George Zimmerman. Who
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> win?
>>>>>>>> How tall was the gun?
>>>>>>> Tall enough to do the job. Pity the kid didnt understand that
>>>>>>> Florida
>>>>>>> (and 45 other states) allows citizens to protect themselves with
>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>> Protect themselves from what - a black
>>>>>> kid walking down the street minding his
>>>>>> own business?
>>>>> Feel free to produce your definitive evidence he was "walking down the
>>>>> street minding his own business, mitchyboy.
>>>> Zimmerman's own call didn't name any crime
>>>> he was committing. What do you have that says
>>>> differently?
>>> Maybe the fact that martin did NOT head for home?
>> First of all, how do you know that Trayvon was not headed for the
>> place he was staying?
> Reports of his location given during the 911 call, plus where he was shot.
> Nor is the place he was shot on a line from the store to the house he
> was staying.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> How Zimmerman confronted Martin, but how somehow the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> same isn't true of Martin confronting Zimmerman.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> A driver being confronted by a pedestrian can
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> roll up the window, drive away, or both.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> And yet, Zimmerman wasn't attacked in his truck,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Bingo. Zimmerman got OUT of his truck and
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> started the confrontation, despite the police
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> telling him not to.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Police didn't tell him not to, they said he didn't need
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> to follow the suspect.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> so this assertion is
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> utterly moot even ignoring the fact that you can't
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> always >>>>>>> roll
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> up your window and/or drive away.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Martin was minding his own business. Why
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> didn't Zimmerman?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Zimmerman was minding his own business...
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> He did live there....
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Oh, well that explains it. Any stranger walking
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> in HIS neighborhood certainly deserves to die, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>> > If said strangers also take to punching a person in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> > nose, and pounding their head into the sidewalk, then yes,
>>>>>>>>>>>> > they do deserve to
>>>>>>>>>>>> die.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Too bad the police videos of our "neighoborhood
>>>>>>>>>>>> vigilante" >>>>>>>>>>>> prove none of that happened.
>>>>>>>>>>>> No bandages, no blood on shirt, no bruises, nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>> So the cops all lied on their reports..
>>>>>>>>>>> The EMT didn't treat him for injuries...
>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention the enhanced video which clearly shows damage
>>>>>>>>>> to the back of Zimmerman's head.
>>>>>>>>> Oh dear.
>>>>>>>>> Well, that certainly DOES merit shooting an unarmed kid.
>>>>>>>> It does tend to furnish more credibility to Zimmerman's story. >>>>>>>> What it doesn't do is establish who started the fracas.
>>>>>>> If Zimmerman had stayed in his car
>>>>>>> and not confronted a law abiding kid there
>>>>>>> would have been no "fracas".
>>>>>> Show us that Zimmerman confronted the kid, or that the kid was law
>>>>>> abiding.
>>>>> What crime had the kid committed?
> If the kid committed no crime then >what justified killing him?
>>>> Attempt at evasion noted, and accepted as an admission that you
>>>> can't defend your assertions as being factual and truthful.
>>> Just answer the question.
>>> What crime had the kid committed?
>> Up to the firing of the weapon, just what crime had Zimmerman
>> committed?
> You could ask the same question of John Hinkley
>or Lee Harvey Oswald. That is what makes it meaningless.
>> And the jury is still out on the firing of the weapon.
> The jury is not out.
> The jury hasn't even been seated.
> Zimmerman shot and killed an unarmed kid and >so far has not even been charged with a crime.
Is it illegal to kill an unarmed young man?
> No arrest + no indictment = no trial.
> Case over...........
That is not for you to decide - as much as you would like to have that
power.
>>>>>>> Subject: 6' 3" Trayvon Martin vs. 5' 9" George Zimmerman. Who
>>>>>>> would win?
>>>>>>How tall was the gun?
>>>>> Tall enough to do the job. Pity the kid didnt understand that
>>>>> Florida (and 45 other states) allows citizens to protect
>>>>> themselves with one.
>>>> Protect themselves from what - a black
>>>>kid walking down the street minding his >>>>own business?
>>> Feel free to produce your definitive evidence he was "walking down
>>> the street minding his own business, mitchyboy.
>> Zimmerman's own call didn't name any crime
>>he was committing.
> As usual, mitchy, you are confused. Zimmerman didn't specify any
> 'crime' on his call. It is the later events where a crime may have
> been committed.
>> What do you have that says
>>differently?
> Acording to some reports, he attacked Zimmerman.
What reports? Zimmermans' own discredited claims?
Florida medical chief casts doubt on Zimmerman's 'broken nose' claim
Fox News
03 Apr 2012
SANFORD - A senior Florida physician has cast doubt on George Zimmerman's claim that he suffered a broken nose and a serious cut to the back of his head at the hands of Trayvon Martin, after viewing enhanced CCTV footage of Zimmerman in police custody shortly after his fatal encounter with the teen.
Vidor Friedman, the president of the Florida College of Emergency Physicians, said footage of Zimmerman's face didn't appear to show a broken nose, ABC News reported.
"All of the ridges in his nose are clearly defined," he said.
"You would expect significant swelling in the hour or two after a break. There appears to be none. It doesn't look like his nose was broken or badly broken."
Neighborhood watch volunteer Zimmerman shot Martin dead Feb. 26 as the teen walked to a home-where he was staying with his father in a gated community in Sanford, outside Orlando. Martin was unarmed when he was killed by Zimmerman, who followed him on foot despite being told not to by a 911 dispatcher.
>>>>>>>> Subject: 6' 3" Trayvon Martin vs. 5' 9" George Zimmerman.
>>>>>>>> Who would win?
>>>>>>> How tall was the gun?
>>>>>> Tall enough to do the job. Pity the kid didnt understand that
>>>>>> Florida (and 45 other states) allows citizens to protect
>>>>>> themselves with one.
>>>>> Protect themselves from what - a black
>>>>> kid walking down the street minding his
>>>>> own business?
>>>> Feel free to produce your definitive evidence he was "walking
>>>> down the street minding his own business, mitchyboy.
>>> Zimmerman's own call didn't name any crime
>>> he was committing.
>> As usual, mitchy, you are confused. Zimmerman didn't specify any
>> 'crime' on his call. It is the later events where a crime may have
>> been committed.
>>> What do you have that says
>>> differently?
>> Acording to some reports, he attacked Zimmerman.
> What reports? Zimmermans' own discredited claims?
> Florida medical chief casts doubt on Zimmerman's 'broken nose' claim
> Fox News
> 03 Apr 2012
> SANFORD - A senior Florida physician has cast doubt on George
> Zimmerman's claim that he suffered a broken nose and a serious
> cut to the back of his head at the hands of Trayvon Martin,
> after viewing enhanced CCTV footage of Zimmerman in police
> custody shortly after his fatal encounter with the teen.
> Vidor Friedman, the president of the Florida College of Emergency
> Physicians, said footage of Zimmerman's face didn't appear to
> show a broken nose, ABC News reported.
>"All of the ridges in his nose are clearly defined," he said.
>"You would expect significant swelling in the hour or two
> after a break. There appears to be none. It doesn't look like
> his nose was broken or badly broken."
ROTFL!!! ;D
Practicing medicine via grainy video of a subject (Zimmerman) taken
from more than ten-feet from the camera.
Now I've heard everything!
Broken Nose (Nasal Fracture)
Medical Author:John P. Cunha, DO, FACOEP
Medical Editor:Jerry R. Balentine, DO, FACEP
Broken Nose Overview
A broken nose is any crack or fracture in the bony portion of the
nose.
This is usually a result of external trauma. Blows to the face during
altercations, vehicle accidents, falls, and sports injury are the most
common reasons for a fractured nose.
Nasal fractures are often cited as the most common type of facial
fracture, accounting for approximately half of all facial fractures in
several studies.
Broken Nose Causes
Causes of a broken nose are related to trauma to the nose or face.
Common sources of trauma include the following:
The most common cause of a broken nose are fights (34%), accidents
(28%), and sports (23%). A 2009 study of 236 patients with facial
fractures incurred while playing sports found fractures of the the
nasal bone to be the most common.
Sports injury
Personal fights
Motor vehicle accidents
Falls
In children, nasal fractures are most commonly due to falls.
Broken Nose Symptoms
It is usually obvious that there is an injury to the nose due to
bruising, swelling, and bleeding from the nose. A history of traumatic
injury should lead to suspicion of a broken bone in the nose or nasal
fracture.
Signs that suggest a person has a broken nose may include the
following:
Tenderness when touching the nose
Swelling of the nose or face
Bruised nose
Bruising under the eyes (black eye)
Deformity of the nose (crooked nose)
Nosebleed
When touching the nose, a crunching or crackling sound (crepitus) or
or creaking sensation like that of rubbing hair between 2 fingers
Pain and difficulty breathing out of the nostrils
When to Seek Medical Care
Call the doctor if any of the following occur:
The pain or swelling does not go away in 3 days.
The nose looks crooked.
Breathing through the nose is not possible after the swelling has
gone down.
A fever develops.
Recurring nosebleeds develop.
A significant injury that requires medical attention possibly
exists.
Go to a hospital's emergency department immediately if the following
signs or symptoms are present:
Bleeding for more than a few minutes from one or both of the
nostrils
Bleeding from the nose does not stop
Clear fluid draining from the nose
Other injuries to the face or the body
Open laceration to the nose or the face
Loss of consciousness (fainting)
Severe or unrelenting headaches
Repeated vomiting
Decrease or change in vision
Neck pain
Numbness, tingling, or weakness in the arms
Significant injury that may require immediate medical attention
Broken Nose Diagnosis
In the emergency department, a doctor will examine the head, neck face
and nose.
The doctor will inspect the outside and the inside of the nose,
often using special instruments. Expect the examination to be somewhat
painful.
X-rays may be ordered depending on the clinical situation. X-ray
films and blood work are not routinely used because these tests
usually do not alter the course of treatment.
CT scan of the head and face may be necessary with severe facial
fractures.
[ Unless you are Dr. Vidor Friedman; then you can do
[ it remotely via grainy video surveillance recording!
[ <snicker> ;) ]
Broken Nose Treatment
Broken Nose Self-Care at Home
Taking the following actions at home may help reduce the symptoms of a
broken nose.
Place ice wrapped in a cloth over the nose for about 15 minutes at a
time and then remove the ice. This process can be repeated hourly
throughout the day. Use ice at the time of injury and for 1-2 days
afterward to reduce pain and swelling. Take breaks between
applications, and do not apply the ice directly to the skin. A bag of
frozen peas or corn can be used as an ice pack as it will conform to
the nose.
Take acetaminophen (Tylenol) or ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin) to reduce
pain. Only use these medications as directed.
Take an over-the-counter (OTC) nasal decongestant to aid in
breathing through the nostrils.
◦ Do not use OTC nasal decongestants if the nose continues to bleed.
Seek medical care.
◦ Read warning labels associated with these medications.
◦ These medications should not be used for more than 3 days.
Elevate the head, especially when sleeping, to avoid increased
swelling of the nose. Prop the head up with pillows or lift the head
of the bed by placing large blocks or phone books under the mattress.
Broken Nose Medical Treatment
For simple breaks in which the nose has not been displaced (the bone
is not crooked), the doctor may prescribe only pain medication, ice,
and nasal decongestants.
For markedly displaced fractures, the doctor may attempt to realign
the bone pieces. The doctor may use pain medication, local anesthesia,
and nasal instruments.
Most repairs of nasal fractures are done after the swelling has
subsided.
◦ Not all displaced fractures can be relocated immediately.
◦ Not all displaced fractures can be relocated in the emergency
department. Some fractures may require and ear, nose and throat
physician (ENT, or otolaryngologist) for surgery.
If the nose continues to bleed, the doctor may insert packing into the
nostrils.
A soft gauze pad will be placed in the bleeding nostril and should
stop the nosebleed completely. The doctor or ENT usually removes the
packing in 2-3 days.
Do not attempt to remove this packing.
The doctor will sometimes prescribe antibiotics and pain medication
while the packing is in place.
If other injuries exist, additional diagnostic tests and treatment
may be given.
Broken Nose Medications
Acetaminophen (Tylenol) or ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin) may be
recommended for pain. Follow the instructions on the medication
bottle. Do not exceed the dose stated on the package instructions.
For more serious injuries, stronger pain medication may be prescribed.
OBAMA WOULD OF HAD A CRIMINAL IF HE HAD A SON.... . .
Group: alt.politics.republican Date: Tue, Mar 27, 2012, 4:17pm (CDT-2)
From: mormoni...@yahoo.com (AGAINST SOCIALISM)
. . Police investigated Trayvon Martin over jewelry
.
By KYLE HIGHTOWER, Associated Press Tuesday, March 27, 2012
. . A Florida police department says women's jewelry found in Trayvon
Martin's school backpack last year didn't match any that had been
reported stolen. . . The Miami Herald obtained a Miami-Dade Schools Police Department report
that showed the slain teenager was suspended in October for writing
obscene graffiti on a door at his high school.
. . The
report says that during a search of his backpack, security officers
found jewelry and a screwdriver that they felt could be a burglary tool.
Martin told them a friend had given him the jewelry, but wouldn't say
who. . .
Miami-Dade Police confirmed Tuesday that the jewelry didn't match any
that had been reported stolen. . .
Martin's slaying last month by a neighborhood watch captain in central
Florida has sparked a national controversy. . . Obama: 'If I had a son, he would look like' Trayvon Martin
OBAMA WOULD OF HAD A CRIMINAL IF HE HAD A SON.... . .
Group: alt.politics.republican Date: Tue, Mar 27, 2012, 4:17pm (CDT-2)
From: mormoni...@yahoo.com (AGAINST SOCIALISM)
. . Police investigated Trayvon Martin over jewelry
.
By KYLE HIGHTOWER, Associated Press Tuesday, March 27, 2012
. . A Florida police department says women's jewelry found in Trayvon
Martin's school backpack last year didn't match any that had been
reported stolen. . . The Miami Herald obtained a Miami-Dade Schools Police Department report
that showed the slain teenager was suspended in October for writing
obscene graffiti on a door at his high school.
. . The
report says that during a search of his backpack, security officers
found jewelry and a screwdriver that they felt could be a burglary tool.
Martin told them a friend had given him the jewelry, but wouldn't say
who. . .
Miami-Dade Police confirmed Tuesday that the jewelry didn't match any
that had been reported stolen. . .
Martin's slaying last month by a neighborhood watch captain in central
Florida has sparked a national controversy. . . Obama: 'If I had a son, he would look like' Trayvon Martin
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> "Scout"<me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> wrote in news:jl1ck6 $i5...@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> "Mitchell Holman"<nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> news:XnsA024D95C3FAE4nomailcomcastnet@
216.196.121.131..
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> "Scout"<me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> wrote in news:jkvqvk$666$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> How Zimmerman confronted Martin, but how somehow the
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> same isn't true of Martin confronting Zimmerman.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> A driver being confronted by a pedestrian can
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> roll up the window, drive away, or both.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> And yet, Zimmerman wasn't attacked in his truck,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Bingo. Zimmerman got OUT of his truck and
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> started the confrontation, despite the police
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> telling him not to.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Police didn't tell him not to, they said he didn't need
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> to follow the suspect.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> so this assertion is
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> utterly moot even ignoring the fact that you can't
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> always >>>>>>> roll
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> up your window and/or drive away.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Martin was minding his own business. Why
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> didn't Zimmerman?
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Zimmerman was minding his own business...
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> He did live there....
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Oh, well that explains it. Any stranger walking
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> in HIS neighborhood certainly deserves to die, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>> > If said strangers also take to punching a person in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> > nose, and pounding their head into the sidewalk, then yes,
>>>>>>>>>>>> > they do deserve to
>>>>>>>>>>>> die.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Too bad the police videos of our "neighoborhood
>>>>>>>>>>>> vigilante" >>>>>>>>>>>> prove none of that happened.
>>>>>>>>>>>> No bandages, no blood on shirt, no bruises, nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>> So the cops all lied on their reports..
>>>>>>>>>>> The EMT didn't treat him for injuries...
>>>>>>>>>> Not to mention the enhanced video which clearly shows damage
>>>>>>>>>> to the back of Zimmerman's head.
>>>>>>>>> Oh dear.
>>>>>>>>> Well, that certainly DOES merit shooting an unarmed kid.
>>>>>>>> It does tend to furnish more credibility to Zimmerman's story. >>>>>>>> What it doesn't do is establish who started the fracas.
>>>>>>> If Zimmerman had stayed in his car
>>>>>>> and not confronted a law abiding kid there
>>>>>>> would have been no "fracas".
>>>>>> Show us that Zimmerman confronted the kid, or that the kid was law
>>>>>> abiding.
>>>>> What crime had the kid committed?
> If the kid committed no crime then > what justified killing him?
Self defense if that is proven. Are you always this dense?
>>>> Attempt at evasion noted, and accepted as an admission that you
>>>> can't defend your assertions as being factual and truthful.
>>> Just answer the question.
>>> What crime had the kid committed?
>> Up to the firing of the weapon, just what crime had Zimmerman
>> committed?
> You could ask the same question of John Hinkley
> or Lee Harvey Oswald. That is what makes it meaningless.
As was your question.
>> And the jury is still out on the firing of the weapon.
> The jury is not out.
That is an expression, you idiot.
> The jury hasn't even been seated.
> Zimmerman shot and killed an unarmed kid and > so far has not even been charged with a crime.
Perhaps he didn't commit one.
> No arrest + no indictment = no trial.
> Case over...........
If the police and the prosecutor decide it was self defense, that is how it should be.
>>>>>>>>>> There are 4 fingers and a thumb balled up in a fist flying
>>>> straight
>>>>>>>>>> at your nose.
>>>>>>>>> On the internet, you can be and do anything.
>>>>>>>>> But somehow I don't think you're the sort of person who would
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>> try that in real life. There aren't that many who would.
>>>>>>>> Gray is talking about the confrontation between Martin and
>>>> Zimmerman.
>>>>>>> Who the heck can tell what that pathetic fool is prating on about?
>>>>>> You get to know him. After awhile he kinda grows on ya'.
>>>>> Like what, a fungus? No thanks.
>>>>>> He is good on
>>>>>> WWII history. But he does get carried away from time to time.
>>>>> I'd say that's quite an understatement.
>>>> That's your opinion....I kinda like him.
>>> Of course it's my opinion . . . to each his own. ;-)
>> At least the ones on his side don't use invectives when discussing my
>> apparent (to them) state of mind. They understand that I am centrist
>> which used to be an old school liberal. They know and understand that I
>> place blame on both sides not just one.
> Wait just a durn minute . . . you think you're a centrist? ;-)
That's what all those tests show. You know, the ones that are designed to show your political leanings through a series of questions?
> OBAMA WOULD OF HAD A CRIMINAL IF HE HAD A SON....
> . .
> Group: alt.politics.republican Date: Tue, Mar 27, 2012, 4:17pm (CDT-2)
> From: mormoni...@yahoo.com (AGAINST SOCIALISM)
> . .
> Police investigated Trayvon Martin over jewelry
> By KYLE HIGHTOWER, Associated Press Tuesday, March 27, 2012
> . .
> A Florida police department says women's jewelry found in Trayvon
> Martin's school backpack last year didn't match any that had been
> reported stolen.
> . .
> The Miami Herald obtained a Miami-Dade Schools Police Department report
> that showed the slain teenager was suspended in October for writing
> obscene graffiti on a door at his high school.
> The report says that during a search of his backpack, security officers
> found jewelry and a screwdriver that they felt could be a burglary tool.
> Martin told them a friend had given him the jewelry, but wouldn't say
> who.
> . .
> Miami-Dade Police confirmed Tuesday that the jewelry didn't match any
> that had been reported stolen.
> . .
> Martin's slaying last month by a neighborhood watch captain in central
> Florida has sparked a national controversy.
> . .
> Obama: 'If I had a son, he would look like' Trayvon Martin>
> ( this url didn't work for me ) .
>>>>> Attempt at evasion noted, and accepted as an admission that you
>>>>> can't defend your assertions as being factual and truthful.
>>>> Just answer the question.
>>>> What crime had the kid committed?
>>> Up to the firing of the weapon, just what crime had Zimmerman
>>> committed?
>> You could ask the same question of John Hinkley
>> or Lee Harvey Oswald. That is what makes it meaningless.
> As was your question.
>>> And the jury is still out on the firing of the weapon.
>> The jury is not out.
> That is an expression, you idiot.
>> The jury hasn't even been seated.
>> Zimmerman shot and killed an unarmed kid and >> so far has not even been charged with a crime.
> Perhaps he didn't commit one.
Perhaps he did. Ever think of that?
>> No arrest + no indictment = no trial.
>> Case over...........
> If the police and the prosecutor decide it was self defense, that is how > it should be.
Bingo. Roll the clock back 100 years ago and the case of a adult getting charged with shooting an unarmed black teenager were STILL left up to the white police and the white prosecutor.
>>>>>>>>> Subject: 6' 3" Trayvon Martin vs. 5' 9" George Zimmerman.
>>>>>>>>> Who would win?
>>>>>>>> How tall was the gun?
>>>>>>> Tall enough to do the job. Pity the kid didnt understand that
>>>>>>> Florida (and 45 other states) allows citizens to protect
>>>>>>> themselves with one.
>>>>>> Protect themselves from what - a black
>>>>>> kid walking down the street minding his
>>>>>> own business?
>>>>> Feel free to produce your definitive evidence he was "walking
>>>>> down the street minding his own business, mitchyboy.
>>>> Zimmerman's own call didn't name any crime
>>>> he was committing.
>>> As usual, mitchy, you are confused. Zimmerman didn't specify any
>>> 'crime' on his call. It is the later events where a crime may have
>>> been committed.
>>>> What do you have that says
>>>> differently?
>>> Acording to some reports, he attacked Zimmerman.
>> What reports? Zimmermans' own discredited claims?
>> Florida medical chief casts doubt on Zimmerman's 'broken nose' claim
>> Fox News
>> 03 Apr 2012
>> SANFORD - A senior Florida physician has cast doubt on George
>> Zimmerman's claim that he suffered a broken nose and a serious
>> cut to the back of his head at the hands of Trayvon Martin,
>> after viewing enhanced CCTV footage of Zimmerman in police
>> custody shortly after his fatal encounter with the teen.
>> Vidor Friedman, the president of the Florida College of Emergency
>> Physicians, said footage of Zimmerman's face didn't appear to
>> show a broken nose, ABC News reported.
>>"All of the ridges in his nose are clearly defined," he said.
>>"You would expect significant swelling in the hour or two
>> after a break. There appears to be none. It doesn't look like
>> his nose was broken or badly broken."
> ROTFL!!! ;D
> Practicing medicine via grainy video of a subject (Zimmerman) taken
> from more than ten-feet from the camera.
> Now I've heard everything!
> Broken Nose (Nasal Fracture)
> Medical Author:John P. Cunha, DO, FACOEP
> Medical Editor:Jerry R. Balentine, DO, FACEP
> Broken Nose Overview
> A broken nose is any crack or fracture in the bony portion of the
> nose.
> This is usually a result of external trauma. Blows to the face during
> altercations, vehicle accidents, falls, and sports injury are the most
> common reasons for a fractured nose.
> Nasal fractures are often cited as the most common type of facial
> fracture, accounting for approximately half of all facial fractures in
> several studies.
> Broken Nose Causes
> Causes of a broken nose are related to trauma to the nose or face.
> Common sources of trauma include the following:
> The most common cause of a broken nose are fights (34%), accidents
> (28%), and sports (23%). A 2009 study of 236 patients with facial
> fractures incurred while playing sports found fractures of the the
> nasal bone to be the most common.
> Sports injury
> Personal fights
> Motor vehicle accidents
> Falls
> In children, nasal fractures are most commonly due to falls.
> Broken Nose Symptoms
> It is usually obvious that there is an injury to the nose due to
> bruising, swelling, and bleeding from the nose. A history of traumatic
> injury should lead to suspicion of a broken bone in the nose or nasal
> fracture.
> Signs that suggest a person has a broken nose may include the
> following:
> Tenderness when touching the nose
> Swelling of the nose or face
> Bruised nose
> Bruising under the eyes (black eye)
> Deformity of the nose (crooked nose)
> Nosebleed
> When touching the nose, a crunching or crackling sound (crepitus)
> or or creaking sensation like that of rubbing hair between 2 fingers
> Pain and difficulty breathing out of the nostrils
> When to Seek Medical Care
> Call the doctor if any of the following occur:
> The pain or swelling does not go away in 3 days.
> The nose looks crooked.
> Breathing through the nose is not possible after the swelling has
> gone down.
> A fever develops.
> Recurring nosebleeds develop.
> A significant injury that requires medical attention possibly
> exists.
> Go to a hospital's emergency department immediately if the following
> signs or symptoms are present:
> Bleeding for more than a few minutes from one or both of the
> nostrils
> Bleeding from the nose does not stop
> Clear fluid draining from the nose
> Other injuries to the face or the body
> Open laceration to the nose or the face
> Loss of consciousness (fainting)
> Severe or unrelenting headaches
> Repeated vomiting
> Decrease or change in vision
> Neck pain
> Numbness, tingling, or weakness in the arms
> Significant injury that may require immediate medical attention
> Broken Nose Diagnosis
> In the emergency department, a doctor will examine the head, neck face
> and nose.
> The doctor will inspect the outside and the inside of the nose,
> often using special instruments. Expect the examination to be somewhat
> painful.
> X-rays may be ordered depending on the clinical situation. X-ray
> films and blood work are not routinely used because these tests
> usually do not alter the course of treatment.
> CT scan of the head and face may be necessary with severe facial
> fractures.
> [ Unless you are Dr. Vidor Friedman; then you can do
> [ it remotely via grainy video surveillance recording!
> [ <snicker> ;) ]
> Broken Nose Treatment
> Broken Nose Self-Care at Home
> Taking the following actions at home may help reduce the symptoms of a
> broken nose.
> Place ice wrapped in a cloth over the nose for about 15 minutes at
> a time and then remove the ice. This process can be repeated hourly
> throughout the day. Use ice at the time of injury and for 1-2 days
> afterward to reduce pain and swelling. Take breaks between
> applications, and do not apply the ice directly to the skin. A bag of
> frozen peas or corn can be used as an ice pack as it will conform to
> the nose.
> Take acetaminophen (Tylenol) or ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin) to
> reduce pain. Only use these medications as directed.
> Take an over-the-counter (OTC) nasal decongestant to aid in
> breathing through the nostrils.
> ◦ Do not use OTC nasal decongestants if the nose continues to
> bleed. > Seek medical care.
> ◦ Read warning labels associated with these medications.
> ◦ These medications should not be used for more than 3 days.
> Elevate the head, especially when sleeping, to avoid increased
> swelling of the nose. Prop the head up with pillows or lift the head
> of the bed by placing large blocks or phone books under the mattress.
> Broken Nose Medical Treatment
> For simple breaks in which the nose has not been displaced (the
> bone is not crooked), the doctor may prescribe only pain medication,
> ice, and nasal decongestants.
> For markedly displaced fractures, the doctor may attempt to
> realign the bone pieces. The doctor may use pain medication, local
> anesthesia, and nasal instruments.
> Most repairs of nasal fractures are done after the swelling has
> subsided.
> ◦ Not all displaced fractures can be relocated immediately.
> ◦ Not all displaced fractures can be relocated in the emergency
> department. Some fractures may require and ear, nose and throat
> physician (ENT, or otolaryngologist) for surgery.
> If the nose continues to bleed, the doctor may insert packing into the
> nostrils.
Bingo.
In case you have never had a broken nose let me tell you it bleeds.
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: 6' 3" Trayvon Martin vs. 5' 9" George Zimmerman.
>>>>>>>>>> Who would win?
>>>>>>>>> How tall was the gun?
>>>>>>>> Tall enough to do the job. Pity the kid didnt understand that
>>>>>>>> Florida (and 45 other states) allows citizens to protect
>>>>>>>> themselves with one.
>>>>>>> Protect themselves from what - a black
>>>>>>> kid walking down the street minding his
>>>>>>> own business?
>>>>>> Feel free to produce your definitive evidence he was "walking
>>>>>> down the street minding his own business, mitchyboy.
>>>>> Zimmerman's own call didn't name any crime
>>>>> he was committing.
>>>> As usual, mitchy, you are confused. Zimmerman didn't specify any
>>>> 'crime' on his call. It is the later events where a crime may have
>>>> been committed.
>>>>> What do you have that says
>>>>> differently?
>>>> Acording to some reports, he attacked Zimmerman.
>>> What reports? Zimmermans' own discredited claims?
>>> Florida medical chief casts doubt on Zimmerman's 'broken nose' claim
>>> Fox News
>>> 03 Apr 2012
>>> SANFORD - A senior Florida physician has cast doubt on George
>>> Zimmerman's claim that he suffered a broken nose and a serious
>>> cut to the back of his head at the hands of Trayvon Martin,
>>> after viewing enhanced CCTV footage of Zimmerman in police
>>> custody shortly after his fatal encounter with the teen.
>>> Vidor Friedman, the president of the Florida College of Emergency
>>> Physicians, said footage of Zimmerman's face didn't appear to
>>> show a broken nose, ABC News reported.
>>>"All of the ridges in his nose are clearly defined," he said.
>>>"You would expect significant swelling in the hour or two
>>> after a break. There appears to be none. It doesn't look like
>>> his nose was broken or badly broken."
>> ROTFL!!! ;D
>> Practicing medicine via grainy video of a subject (Zimmerman) taken
>> from more than ten-feet from the camera.
>> Now I've heard everything!
>> Broken Nose (Nasal Fracture)
>> Medical Author:John P. Cunha, DO, FACOEP
>> Medical Editor:Jerry R. Balentine, DO, FACEP
>> Broken Nose Overview
>> A broken nose is any crack or fracture in the bony portion of the
>> nose.
>> This is usually a result of external trauma. Blows to the face during
>> altercations, vehicle accidents, falls, and sports injury are the most
>> common reasons for a fractured nose.
>> Nasal fractures are often cited as the most common type of facial
>> fracture, accounting for approximately half of all facial fractures in
>> several studies.
>> Broken Nose Causes
>> Causes of a broken nose are related to trauma to the nose or face.
>> Common sources of trauma include the following:
>> â?˘ The most common cause of a broken nose are fights (34%), accidents
>> (28%), and sports (23%). A 2009 study of 236 patients with facial
>> fractures incurred while playing sports found fractures of the the
>> nasal bone to be the most common.
>> â?˘ Sports injury
>> â?˘ Personal fights
>> â?˘ Motor vehicle accidents
>> â?˘ Falls
>> â?˘ In children, nasal fractures are most commonly due to falls.
>> Broken Nose Symptoms
>> It is usually obvious that there is an injury to the nose due to
>> bruising, swelling, and bleeding from the nose. A history of traumatic
>> injury should lead to suspicion of a broken bone in the nose or nasal
>> fracture.
>> Signs that suggest a person has a broken nose may include the
>> following:
>> â?˘ Tenderness when touching the nose
>> â?˘ Swelling of the nose or face
>> â?˘ Bruised nose
>> â?˘ Bruising under the eyes (black eye)
>> â?˘ Deformity of the nose (crooked nose)
>> â?˘ Nosebleed
>> â?˘ When touching the nose, a crunching or crackling sound (crepitus)
>> or or creaking sensation like that of rubbing hair between 2 fingers
>> â?˘ Pain and difficulty breathing out of the nostrils
>> When to Seek Medical Care
>> Call the doctor if any of the following occur:
>> â?˘ The pain or swelling does not go away in 3 days.
>> â?˘ The nose looks crooked.
>> â?˘ Breathing through the nose is not possible after the swelling has
>> gone down.
>> â?˘ A fever develops.
>> â?˘ Recurring nosebleeds develop.
>> â?˘ A significant injury that requires medical attention possibly
>> exists.
>> Go to a hospital's emergency department immediately if the following
>> signs or symptoms are present:
>> â?˘ Bleeding for more than a few minutes from one or both of the
>> nostrils
>> â?˘ Bleeding from the nose does not stop
>> â?˘ Clear fluid draining from the nose
>> â?˘ Other injuries to the face or the body
>> â?˘ Open laceration to the nose or the face
>> â?˘ Loss of consciousness (fainting)
>> â?˘ Severe or unrelenting headaches
>> â?˘ Repeated vomiting
>> â?˘ Decrease or change in vision
>> â?˘ Neck pain
>> â?˘ Numbness, tingling, or weakness in the arms
>> â?˘ Significant injury that may require immediate medical attention
>> Broken Nose Diagnosis
>> In the emergency department, a doctor will examine the head, neck face
>> and nose.
>> â?˘ The doctor will inspect the outside and the inside of the nose,
>> often using special instruments. Expect the examination to be somewhat
>> painful.
>> â?˘ X-rays may be ordered depending on the clinical situation. X-ray
>> films and blood work are not routinely used because these tests
>> usually do not alter the course of treatment.
>> â?˘ CT scan of the head and face may be necessary with severe facial
>> fractures.
>> [ Unless you are Dr. Vidor Friedman; then you can do
>> [ it remotely via grainy video surveillance recording!
>> [ <snicker> ;) ]
>> Broken Nose Treatment
>> Broken Nose Self-Care at Home
>> Taking the following actions at home may help reduce the symptoms of a
>> broken nose.
>> â?˘ Place ice wrapped in a cloth over the nose for about 15 minutes at
>> a time and then remove the ice. This process can be repeated hourly
>> throughout the day. Use ice at the time of injury and for 1-2 days
>> afterward to reduce pain and swelling. Take breaks between
>> applications, and do not apply the ice directly to the skin. A bag of
>> frozen peas or corn can be used as an ice pack as it will conform to
>> the nose.
>> â?˘ Take acetaminophen (Tylenol) or ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin) to
>> reduce pain. Only use these medications as directed.
>> â?˘ Take an over-the-counter (OTC) nasal decongestant to aid in
>> breathing through the nostrils.
>> â-Ĥ Do not use OTC nasal decongestants if the nose continues to
>> bleed.
>> Seek medical care.
>> â-Ĥ Read warning labels associated with these medications.
>> â-Ĥ These medications should not be used for more than 3 days.
>> â?˘ Elevate the head, especially when sleeping, to avoid increased
>> swelling of the nose. Prop the head up with pillows or lift the head
>> of the bed by placing large blocks or phone books under the mattress.
>> Broken Nose Medical Treatment
>> â?˘ For simple breaks in which the nose has not been displaced (the
>> bone is not crooked), the doctor may prescribe only pain medication,
>> ice, and nasal decongestants.
>> â?˘ For markedly displaced fractures, the doctor may attempt to
>> realign the bone pieces. The doctor may use pain medication, local
>> anesthesia, and nasal instruments.
>> Most repairs of nasal fractures are done after the swelling has
>> subsided.
>> â-Ĥ Not all displaced fractures can be relocated immediately.
>> â-Ĥ Not all displaced fractures can be relocated in the emergency
>> department. Some fractures may require and ear, nose and throat
>> physician (ENT, or otolaryngologist) for surgery.
>> If the nose continues to bleed, the doctor may insert packing into the
>> nostrils.
> Bingo.
> In case you have never had a broken nose let me tell you it bleeds.
> A lot.
Usually, but not always, thus just because there isn't blood does NOT establish that his nose hadn't been broken.
> See any blood on Zimmerman or his shirt?
> Hmm.....................
Doesn't mean it's not there. After all, just a couple of days ago you were telling us he wasn't wounded because you couldn't see any.
So let's just accept that the trying to make your case because you can't see it in a fuzzy video is NOT going to cut it.
>>>> If the kid committed no crime then
>>>> what justified killing him?
>>> Self defense if that is proven. Are you always this dense?
>> Self defense against what? The kid was unarmed.
> Ah, so one can't be harmed unless a weapon is used?
> That no one might need to defend themselves against physical violence
> that occurs without weapons?
So if someone steps on your foot in an elevator
you can shoot them because they committed physical
violence against you? If a drunk takes a swing at in a bar do you get to blow them away?
> That no one has been seriously injured or even killed from someone
> using their bare hands to hit, strike, strangle or otherwise do them
> harm?
Depends on the state.
In all-Republican Texas:
A person is justified in using deadly force against another if he would be justified in using force when and to the degree he reasonable believes that deadly force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the others use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force, if a reasonable person in the same situation would have not retreated."
http://tinyurl.com/7locmu6
If someone is kicking you you don't get to shoot them. If someone is stabbing you you can.
What "unlawful deadly force" was Zimmerman defending himself against?
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:47:31 -0400, Brian E. Clark
>>>>>>>>> <brianecl...@newsgroup.reply.only> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <7RBUMF2Q40994.4666319...@reece.net.au>,
>>>>>>>>>> quick.fa...@barackobama.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: 6' 3" Trayvon Martin vs. 5' 9" George Zimmerman.
>>>>>>>>>>> Who would win?
>>>>>>>>>> How tall was the gun?
>>>>>>>>> Tall enough to do the job. Pity the kid didnt understand
>>>>>>>>> that Florida (and 45 other states) allows citizens to protect
>>>>>>>>> themselves with one.
>>>>>>>> Protect themselves from what - a black
>>>>>>>> kid walking down the street minding his
>>>>>>>> own business?
>>>>>>> Feel free to produce your definitive evidence he was "walking
>>>>>>> down the street minding his own business, mitchyboy.
>>>>>> Zimmerman's own call didn't name any crime
>>>>>> he was committing.
>>>>> As usual, mitchy, you are confused. Zimmerman didn't specify any
>>>>> 'crime' on his call. It is the later events where a crime may have
>>>>> been committed.
>>>>>> What do you have that says
>>>>>> differently?
>>>>> Acording to some reports, he attacked Zimmerman.
>>>> What reports? Zimmermans' own discredited claims?
>>>> Florida medical chief casts doubt on Zimmerman's 'broken nose' claim
>>>> Fox News
>>>> 03 Apr 2012
>>>> SANFORD - A senior Florida physician has cast doubt on George
>>>> Zimmerman's claim that he suffered a broken nose and a serious
>>>> cut to the back of his head at the hands of Trayvon Martin,
>>>> after viewing enhanced CCTV footage of Zimmerman in police
>>>> custody shortly after his fatal encounter with the teen.
>>>> Vidor Friedman, the president of the Florida College of Emergency
>>>> Physicians, said footage of Zimmerman's face didn't appear to
>>>> show a broken nose, ABC News reported.
>>>>"All of the ridges in his nose are clearly defined," he said.
>>>>"You would expect significant swelling in the hour or two
>>>> after a break. There appears to be none. It doesn't look like
>>>> his nose was broken or badly broken."
>>> ROTFL!!! ;D
>>> Practicing medicine via grainy video of a subject (Zimmerman) taken
>>> from more than ten-feet from the camera.
>>> Now I've heard everything!
>>> Broken Nose (Nasal Fracture)
>>> Medical Author:John P. Cunha, DO, FACOEP
>>> Medical Editor:Jerry R. Balentine, DO, FACEP
>>> Broken Nose Overview
>>> A broken nose is any crack or fracture in the bony portion of the
>>> nose.
>>> This is usually a result of external trauma. Blows to the face during
>>> altercations, vehicle accidents, falls, and sports injury are the most
>>> common reasons for a fractured nose.
>>> Nasal fractures are often cited as the most common type of facial
>>> fracture, accounting for approximately half of all facial fractures in
>>> several studies.
>>> Broken Nose Causes
>>> Causes of a broken nose are related to trauma to the nose or face.
>>> Common sources of trauma include the following:
>>> The most common cause of a broken nose are fights (34%), accidents
>>> (28%), and sports (23%). A 2009 study of 236 patients with facial
>>> fractures incurred while playing sports found fractures of the the
>>> nasal bone to be the most common.
>>> Sports injury
>>> Personal fights
>>> Motor vehicle accidents
>>> Falls
>>> In children, nasal fractures are most commonly due to falls.
>>> Broken Nose Symptoms
>>> It is usually obvious that there is an injury to the nose due to
>>> bruising, swelling, and bleeding from the nose. A history of traumatic
>>> injury should lead to suspicion of a broken bone in the nose or nasal
>>> fracture.
>>> Signs that suggest a person has a broken nose may include the
>>> following:
>>> Tenderness when touching the nose
>>> Swelling of the nose or face
>>> Bruised nose
>>> Bruising under the eyes (black eye)
>>> Deformity of the nose (crooked nose)
>>> Nosebleed
>>> When touching the nose, a crunching or crackling sound (crepitus)
>>> or or creaking sensation like that of rubbing hair between 2 fingers
>>> Pain and difficulty breathing out of the nostrils
>>> When to Seek Medical Care
>>> Call the doctor if any of the following occur:
>>> The pain or swelling does not go away in 3 days.
>>> The nose looks crooked.
>>> Breathing through the nose is not possible after the swelling has
>>> gone down.
>>> A fever develops.
>>> Recurring nosebleeds develop.
>>> A significant injury that requires medical attention possibly
>>> exists.
>>> Go to a hospital's emergency department immediately if the following
>>> signs or symptoms are present:
>>> Bleeding for more than a few minutes from one or both of the
>>> nostrils
>>> Bleeding from the nose does not stop
>>> Clear fluid draining from the nose
>>> Other injuries to the face or the body
>>> Open laceration to the nose or the face
>>> Loss of consciousness (fainting)
>>> Severe or unrelenting headaches
>>> Repeated vomiting
>>> Decrease or change in vision
>>> Neck pain
>>> Numbness, tingling, or weakness in the arms
>>> Significant injury that may require immediate medical attention
>>> Broken Nose Diagnosis
>>> In the emergency department, a doctor will examine the head, neck face
>>> and nose.
>>> The doctor will inspect the outside and the inside of the nose,
>>> often using special instruments. Expect the examination to be somewhat
>>> painful.
>>> X-rays may be ordered depending on the clinical situation. X-ray
>>> films and blood work are not routinely used because these tests
>>> usually do not alter the course of treatment.
>>> CT scan of the head and face may be necessary with severe facial
>>> fractures.
>>> [ Unless you are Dr. Vidor Friedman; then you can do
>>> [ it remotely via grainy video surveillance recording!
>>> [ <snicker> ;) ]
>>> Broken Nose Treatment
>>> Broken Nose Self-Care at Home
>>> Taking the following actions at home may help reduce the symptoms of a
>>> broken nose.
>>> Place ice wrapped in a cloth over the nose for about 15 minutes at
> a time and then remove the ice. This process can be repeated hourly
>>> throughout the day. Use ice at the time of injury and for 1-2 days
>>> afterward to reduce pain and swelling. Take breaks between
>>> applications, and do not apply the ice directly to the skin. A bag of
>>> frozen peas or corn can be used as an ice pack as it will conform to
>>> the nose.
>>> Take acetaminophen (Tylenol) or ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin) to
>>> reduce pain. Only use these medications as directed.
>>> Take an over-the-counter (OTC) nasal decongestant to aid in
>>> breathing through the nostrils.
>>> ◦ Do not use OTC nasal decongestants if the nose continues to
>>> bleed.
>>> Seek medical care.
>>> ◦ Read warning labels associated with these medications.
>>> ◦ These medications should not be used for more than 3 days.
>>> Elevate the head, especially when sleeping, to avoid increased
>>> swelling of the nose. Prop the head up with pillows or lift the head
>>> of the bed by placing large blocks or phone books under the mattress.
>>> Broken Nose Medical Treatment
>>> For simple breaks in which the nose has not been displaced (the
>>> bone is not crooked), the doctor may prescribe only pain medication,
>>> ice, and nasal decongestants.
>>> For markedly displaced fractures, the doctor may attempt to
>>> realign the bone pieces. The doctor may use pain medication, local
>>> anesthesia, and nasal instruments.
>>> Most repairs of nasal fractures are done after the swelling has
>>> subsided.
>>> ◦ Not all displaced fractures can be relocated immediately.
>>> ◦ Not all displaced fractures can be relocated in the emergency
>>> department. Some fractures may require and ear, nose and throat
>>> physician (ENT, or otolaryngologist) for surgery.
>>> If the nose continues to bleed, the doctor may insert packing into the
>>> nostrils.
>> Bingo.
Let's see the numbers on your Bingo card, Mitch.
>> In case you have never had a broken nose let me tell you it bleeds.
>> A lot.
I've had several severe nose bleeds:
1) took less that two minutes to stop the blood flow; and,
2) didn't get a single drop of blood on my clothing.
> Usually, but not always, thus just because there isn't blood
> does NOT establish that his nose hadn't been broken.
>> See any blood on Zimmerman or his shirt?
Are you claiming that you could see red blood spatter on a gray shirt
and a red jacket via a view from ten+ feet?!?
Guess you're as good as Dr. Vidor Friedman at "video medical
inspection." <chuckle> ;)
> >>>>> >>>>>>> How Zimmerman confronted Martin, but how somehow the same
> >>>>> >>>>>>> isn't true of Martin confronting Zimmerman.
> >>>>> >>>>>> A driver being confronted by a pedestrian can just
> >>>>> >>>>>> roll up the window, drive away, or both.
> >>>>> >>>>> And yet, Zimmerman wasn't attacked in his truck,
> >>>>> >>>> Bingo. Zimmerman got OUT of his truck and
> >>>>> >>>> started the confrontation, despite the police
> >>>>> >>>> telling him not to.
> >>>>> >>> Police didn't tell him not to, they said he didn't need to
> >>>>> >>> follow the suspect.
> >>>>> >>>> so this assertion is
> >>>>> >>>>> utterly moot even ignoring the fact that you can't always > roll
> >>>>> >>>>> up your window and/or drive away.
> >>>>> >>>> Martin was minding his own business. Why
> >>>>> >>>> didn't Zimmerman?
> >>>>> >>> Zimmerman was minding his own business...
> >>>>> >>> He did live there....
> >>>>> >> Oh, well that explains it. Any stranger walking
> >>>>> >> in HIS neighborhood certainly deserves to die, right?
> >>>>> > If said strangers also take to punching a person in the nose, and
> >>>>> > pounding their head into the sidewalk, then yes, they do deserve
> >>>>> > to > >>>>> die.
> >>>>> Too bad the police videos of our "neighoborhood vigilante"
> >>>>> prove none of that happened.
> >>>>> No bandages, no blood on shirt, no bruises, nothing.
> >>>> So the cops all lied on their reports..
> >>>> The EMT didn't treat him for injuries...
> >>> Not to mention the enhanced video which clearly shows damage to the
> >>> back of Zimmerman's head.
> >> Oh dear.
> >> Well, that certainly DOES merit shooting an unarmed kid.
> > It does tend to furnish more credibility to Zimmerman's story. What it > > doesn't do is establish who started the fracas.
> If Zimmerman had stayed in his car
> and not confronted a law abiding kid there
> would have been no "fracas".
If Martin wasn't a pot head and gotten suspended he would have been at home not wandering the streets of a strange neighborhood.
> >> > On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 00:00:27 -0500, Mitchell Holman - whined, cried
> >> > and carried on like an moronic 8 year old little girl and bashed out
> >> > this crap on its keyboard:
> >> >> Tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.c00m> wrote in
> >> > <snip>
> >> >>>> > Zimmerman was minding his own business...
> >> >>>> > He did live there....
> >> >>>> Oh, well that explains it. Any stranger walking
> >> >>>> in HIS neighborhood certainly deserves to die, right?
> >> >>> I didn't say that now did I ?
> >> >>> You don't give a critical eye to those wandering your neighborhood
> >> >>> at night that you don't recognise ?
> >> >> 1) The kid was minding his own business,
> >> >> not committing any crime.
> >> >> 2) He was unarmed.
> >> >> 3) All he had on him was a bottle of
> >> >> tea and skittles.
> >> >> 4) He was running away, trying to AVOID
> >> >> an confrontation with any homeowners.
> >> >> +
> >> >> ----------------------------------------
> >> >> = he needed to be gunned down for daring
> >> >> to be out after dark in the neighborhood of our self appointed
> >> >> community watchdog with a criminal record of starting violent > fights.
> >> > If you were any more stupid, and your logic any more fucked up,
> >> > you'd > >> > be mistaken for a turnip, you phuquetard. As it is, you've barely > got
> >> > one over on a pet rock, but don't hold out hope for beating out a > head
> >> > of lettuce.
> >> What a sterling defense of a chickenshit vigilante who
> >> picks a fight with an unarmed kid half his size and loses
> >> so quickly he has to shoot him.
> > You work for Sharpton, don't you ?
> Is that the best defense you can come up with > for your vigilante hero who picks a fight and > cannot end it without shooting an unarmed kid
> half his size?
You can keep repeating that lie but no one is beleiveing it.
What evidence do you have that shows Zimmerman picked a fight ?
