#The Memory of Beslan, the Shame of Boston

[Kurt Nicklas]

The Memory of Beslan, the Shame of Boston

Michael Walsh

April 23rd, 2013 - 8:23 pm

http://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2013/04/23/the-shame-of-boston/?singlepage=true


Enough with all the chest-thumping, mingled with manly tears, about
the dramatic end of the Marathon bombers’ reign of terror in Boston
last week. From the press coverage, you’d think the entire city (which
is actually rather small) rose up as one and smote two evil Chechens a
stunning blow for truth, justice, liberty and the American Way.
Nothing could be further from the truth.

What we saw instead was a city cowering in fear, led by two
particularly pusillanimous toads in Gov. Deval Patrick and Mayor
Mumbles Menino, who had the services of some 10,000 armed personnel —
literally, a small army — to take down… wait for it… a wounded
teenager with a gun, and maybe some self-detonating explosives.

Way to go, Boston. You’ve made all of us proud to be Americans.

Now, of course, the liberal East Coast media is getting all mushy
about the Brothers Tsarnaev. I’m not even going to bother to cite some
of the more egregious examples from the New York Times and elsewhere,
part of the MSM’s ongoing bout of Stockholm Syndrome when it comes to
dealing with Islam and its discontents. John Hinderaker of Power Line
has a nice roundup of the usual-suspect idiocy.

But don’t you wish, just once, an American public official would react
like a man? A man, say, like this guy, who said this about the
Chechens after they attacked a school back in 2004. WARNING:
offensive, ethnically biased stereotyping ahead:

“You find it possible to set some limitations in your dealings with
these bastards, so why should we talk to people who are child
killers?

“No one has a moral right to tell us to talk to child killers,” he
added.

“Correct me if I’m wrong, but Margaret Thatcher, whom I’ve met more
than once said: ‘A man who comes out into the street to kill other
people must himself be killed’.”

Now, that’s some real straight talk about murdering, child-killing
bastards. In case you’ve forgotten Beslan, here’s a brief taste of the
hell the Muslim Chechens visited upon little kids on the first day of
school:


Note that, when the Russian military finally stormed the school, they
were accompanied by armed residents of the village, desperate to save
their children. In typical ham-handed Russian fashion, the former
Soviets managed to kill almost as many people as they saved — but the
point is they fought back. They didn’t “shelter in place” (what an
odious, bloodless phrase for enforced institutional cowardice), hiding
behind locked doors; they got up, got their guns, and finally did
something to rid themselves of the aliens in their midst. For they
knew — with the example of the Moscow theater crisis fresh in
everybody’s minds — that there was no way this atrocity could end any
way but bloodily. They wanted to get their licks in, and die like men
instead of dumb beasts waiting for the slaughter.

Wendy Kaminer, writing in The Atlantic, finally twigged to the shame
of Boston:

Some of the stories we tell about ourselves in the aftermath of terror
are true. Many people react reflexively with bravery and compassion,
rushing toward an attack to aid its victims. Many open their homes to
strangers.

Some of the stories we tell are naive: “This is a progressive town,
the People’s Republic,” a Cambridge high school teacher remarked. “How
could this be in our midst?” he wondered, as if diversity were a cure
for all evil.

Some of the stories we tell are bravado. When people praise Boston’s
proverbial toughness, I shrug. Boston is home to over 600,000
individuals; some are resilient and others are not. Bravado has its
virtues though, in times of grief and terror. It’s self-medicating.
Maybe acting tough can help you feel tough. Maybe you can approximate
the person you wish yourself to be.

But not all our bravado is helpful or harmless. Some of the stories we
tell about the nation are delusions that cloak weaknesses and wrongs,
which fester unacknowledged…

Those on the left won’t like this. But those on the reflexive right
won’t want to acknowledge this bit, either:

We’ve been surrendering liberty in the hope of keeping ourselves safe
for the past decade. The marathon bombings will hasten our surrender
of freedom from the watchful eye of law enforcement. The Boston Globe
is already clamoring for additional surveillance cameras, which are
sure to be installed to the applause of a great many Bostonians. You
can rationalize increased surveillance as a necessary or reasonable
intrusion on liberty, but you can’t deny its intrusiveness, or
inevitable abuses.

But that’s what happens when, in the wake of Sept. 11, the country
hands its fate over to a massive, bureaucratic surveillance state (and
one that’s not terribly good at it, either) — a land of CCTV cameras
and stop-and-frisk and the NSA’s Black Widow and God alone knows what
else. That’s what happens when a majority of the sitting U.S. senators
vote to infringe on our Second Amendment rights, notwithstanding the
constitutional proscription against it. That’s what happens when weepy
public officials stand on the bodies of the murdered children of
Newtown and call for punishing the very people who not only didn’t do
it, but might have helped stop it.


A gun-free zone — except for Adam Lanza

Had enough yet? Enough of whingeing and whining and cowering and
appeasing? Enough of Blaming America First? Enough of wondering Why
They Hate Us?

It used be said that it was better to die on your feet than live on
your knees. The atheist Left has turned that formula upside down,
preferring to submit than fight. How they must loathe themselves. Too
bad they’re trying to take the rest of us with them.

So congratulations, Boston. In a state with some of the “toughest” gun
laws in the country – and by “toughest” I mean unconstitutionally
restrictive — a legislature completely controlled by Democrats and a
congressional delegation that includes a grand total of zero
Republicans, it was somehow not surprising that the Chechens chose one
of the few places in the United States where a) the people could not
and would not fight back and b) the media would find them sympathetic.
Heck, even the UN agrees with me… sort of.

I’ve long said that the relationship between the American Left and
Islam is that of masochist and sadist; the perfect Suicide Cult meets
the Death Cult of its dreams. No wonder they got along so well
together, right up to the moment when they didn’t.

[Davej]

On Apr 24, 4:26 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]

> I’ve long said that the relationship between the American Left and

> Islam is that of masochist and sadist... [...]


Islamic terrorists are conservative religious fundamentalists. They
are anti-woman and anti-gay. They certainly have a close brotherhood
with Republican Right-Wingers.

[Gray Guest]

Davej <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ad4feb85-c86c-43cd-a5ed-
fe6929...@r6g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:

Then how come we're the one's that want to kill them and you guys want to
suck thier cocks?

--
Refusenik #1

Libs suffer from Eleutherophobia. And there is no cure.

Obama called the SEALs and THEY got bin Laden. When the SEALs called Obama,
THEY GOT DENIED. Fuck Obama

[SaPeIsMa]

"Davej" <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ad4feb85-c86c-43cd...@r6g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

On Apr 24, 4:26 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
> I’ve long said that the relationship between the American Left and
> Islam is that of masochist and sadist... [...]

#
# Islamic terrorists are conservative religious fundamentalists. They
# are anti-woman and anti-gay. They certainly have a close brotherhood
# with Republican Right-Wingers.

And yet you guys want to do kissy-face and drop pants grab ankles for them,
and conservatives are the ones who want to get rid of them

[Slackjaw]

Except Republican Right-Wingers are neither anti-woman and anti-gay.
Islamic terrorists are more like today's Liberal Democrats - they hate
America, they are prone to violence, they aren't especially
intelligent, they feed on hatred and ignorance, they demonize anyone
who disagrees with them, etc.



--
---
Truth is the cure for liberalism.
---

[Olrik]

But just because islamists are the competition, not because of
ideological differences.

--
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division

[Olrik]

Le 2013-04-24 22:54, Slackjaw a écrit :

> Davej wrote:

>> Islamic terrorists are conservative religious fundamentalists. They
>> are anti-woman and anti-gay. They certainly have a close brotherhood
>> with Republican Right-Wingers.
>
> Except Republican Right-Wingers are neither anti-woman and anti-gay.

BWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!

<snip>

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <kla713$up7$1...@dont-email.me>, Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Le 2013-04-24 21:43, SaPeIsMa a écrit :
> > "Davej" <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:ad4feb85-c86c-43cd...@r6g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> > On Apr 24, 4:26 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> [...]

> >> Išve long said that the relationship between the American Left and

> >> Islam is that of masochist and sadist... [...]
> > #
> > # Islamic terrorists are conservative religious fundamentalists. They
> > # are anti-woman and anti-gay. They certainly have a close brotherhood
> > # with Republican Right-Wingers.
> >
> > And yet you guys want to do kissy-face and drop pants grab ankles for
> > them, and conservatives are the ones who want to get rid of them

<piggybacking>

Huh? You want to provide some evidence for that libelous statement.

> But just because islamists are the competition, not because of
> ideological differences.

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[Kurt Nicklas]

Too stupid to get the point of the article, aren't you?

You must be an atheist.

[Man of Mind]

On 4/24/2013 9:54 PM, flapsjaw <wsjam...@gmail.com> whimpered:
>
> Davej wrote:
>>
>> On Apr 24, 4:26 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtn...@gmail.com> sniveled:

>>> [...]
>>> I’ve long said that the relationship between the American Left and
>>> Islam is that of masochist and sadist... [...]
>>
>> Islamic terrorists are conservative religious fundamentalists. They
>> are anti-woman and anti-gay. They certainly have a close brotherhood
>> with Republican Right-Wingers.
>
> Except Republican Right-Wingers are neither anti-woman and anti-gay.

Wow, and you really believe that, right?

--
"Conservatives have no ideas; just irritable mental
gestures which seek to resemble ideas"
-Lionel Trilling

[MarkA]

I got the point of the article. It's an endorsement of the "John Wayne
School of Diplomacy". There's no situation that can't be effectively
addressed by going in, guns blazing, and beating the crap out of <insert
target here>. Who cares if a bunch of kids get killed in the process?
Trying to find a solution that minimizes casualties is for sissies and
girly-men, isn't it?

We can thank GW's belief in John Wayne for our multi-trillion dollar,
multi-million lives lost fiasco in the Middle East.

Asshole.

--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock

[MarkA]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 00:52:23 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:

> Davej <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ad4feb85-c86c-43cd-a5ed-
> fe6929...@r6g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Apr 24, 4:26 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> I've long said that the relationship between the American Left and
>>> Islam is that of masochist and sadist... [...]
>>
>>
>> Islamic terrorists are conservative religious fundamentalists. They are
>> anti-woman and anti-gay. They certainly have a close brotherhood with
>> Republican Right-Wingers.
>>
>>
> Then how come we're the one's that want to kill them and you guys want to
> suck thier cocks?

Because you subscribe to the Biblical principle of genocide. Complete
extermination of your competitors is God's Way of dealing with the
problem, isn't it? Good luck with that. There are one fuck of a lot of
Muslims in the world, most of whom don't deserve to be killed any more
than you do.

[SaPeIsMa]

"Jeanne Douglas" <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
news:hlwdjsd2-074556...@news.giganews.com...

> In article <kla713$up7$1...@dont-email.me>, Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Le 2013-04-24 21:43, SaPeIsMa a écrit :
>> > "Davej" <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:ad4feb85-c86c-43cd...@r6g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Apr 24, 4:26 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> [...]

>> >> I¹ve long said that the relationship between the American Left and

>> >> Islam is that of masochist and sadist... [...]
>> > #
>> > # Islamic terrorists are conservative religious fundamentalists. They
>> > # are anti-woman and anti-gay. They certainly have a close brotherhood
>> > # with Republican Right-Wingers.
>> >
>> > And yet you guys want to do kissy-face and drop pants grab ankles for
>> > them, and conservatives are the ones who want to get rid of them
>
> <piggybacking>
>
> Huh? You want to provide some evidence for that libelous statement.
>

It would have to be false to be libelous

SO tell us why Obama is arming Egypt while it is controlled by the Islamic
Brotherhood, whose clearly stated agenda is to install Islam all over the
world ?

And do I need to educate you as to why Islam is NOT conducive to a FREE
society ?

[SaPeIsMa]

"MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2013.04.25....@nowhere.invalid...

> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 03:34:39 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>
>> On Apr 24, 6:45 pm, Davej <galt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Apr 24, 4:26 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > [...]
>>> > I've long said that the relationship between the American Left and
>>> > Islam is that of masochist and sadist... [...]
>>>
>>> Islamic terrorists are conservative religious fundamentalists. They are
>>> anti-woman and anti-gay. They certainly have a close brotherhood with
>>> Republican Right-Wingers.
>>
>> Too stupid to get the point of the article, aren't you?
>>
>> You must be an atheist.
>
> I got the point of the article. It's an endorsement of the "John Wayne
> School of Diplomacy".

LOL
ANother demonstration of ignorance and presumptuous bigotry.

>There's no situation that can't be effectively
> addressed by going in, guns blazing, and beating the crap out of <insert
> target here>.

Actually Diplomacy in a large part relies on the ability to do EXACTLY that.

> Who cares if a bunch of kids get killed in the process?

Most people do
Typically, it's people like you who make such stupid remarks who usually are
the ones that don't..

> Trying to find a solution that minimizes casualties is for sissies and
> girly-men, isn't it?
>

Maybe in your ignorant fantasy world

> We can thank GW's belief in John Wayne for our multi-trillion dollar,
> multi-million lives lost fiasco in the Middle East.
>

oooo boy..
Another poor victim of BDS surfaces.

>
> Asshole.
>

Most excellent sig from you
A perfect description of what you are..
Maybe you should change your nym so we can see you coming and filter you..

[SaPeIsMa]

"MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2013.04.25....@nowhere.invalid...

> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 00:52:23 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:
>
>> Davej <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ad4feb85-c86c-43cd-a5ed-
>> fe6929...@r6g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Apr 24, 4:26 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>> I've long said that the relationship between the American Left and
>>>> Islam is that of masochist and sadist... [...]
>>>
>>>
>>> Islamic terrorists are conservative religious fundamentalists. They are
>>> anti-woman and anti-gay. They certainly have a close brotherhood with
>>> Republican Right-Wingers.
>>>
>>>
>> Then how come we're the one's that want to kill them and you guys want to
>> suck thier cocks?
>
> Because you subscribe to the Biblical principle of genocide.

Are you really such an idiot as to be unable to make any kind of argument
with some strawman ??


what a west of bandwidth you are..

[raven1]

On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:26:32 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
<kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:


>Note that, when the Russian military finally stormed the school, they
>were accompanied by armed residents of the village, desperate to save
>their children. In typical ham-handed Russian fashion, the former
>Soviets managed to kill almost as many people as they saved — but the
>point is they fought back.

Death toll from the Russian response: somewhere around 300 kids. Death
toll from the Boston response: 2, the elder of the two bombers, and a
campus policeman who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Are you
seriously suggesting the former is preferable?

[raven1]

You seem to think that the point of the article was that a ham-fisted
response that resulted in hundreds of collateral deaths is preferable
to an approach that resulted in two, one of them being one of the
bombers. That's not a very sane point to be making, but no one has
ever accused you of being sane.

[Kurt Nicklas]

On Apr 25, 11:10 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 03:34:39 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>

> <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 24, 6:45 pm, Davej <galt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Apr 24, 4:26 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > [...]
> >> > I ve long said that the relationship between the American Left and
> >> > Islam is that of masochist and sadist... [...]
>
> >> Islamic terrorists are conservative religious fundamentalists. They
> >> are anti-woman and anti-gay. They certainly have a close brotherhood
> >> with Republican Right-Wingers.
>
> >Too stupid to get the point of the article, aren't you?
>
> You seem to think that the point of the article was that a ham-fisted
> response that resulted in hundreds of collateral deaths is preferable
> to an approach that resulted in two, one of them being one of the
> bombers.

Is that the point, girlie, once you've filtered the actual words of
the piece through
your thought-stifling, wimp-enhanced, self-sheltered viewpoint?

I suggest you go to ground. After all, the next person who knocks on
your door may
have a gun and will shoot you.

Gosh, couldn't have any of that, could we?

<snickers>

[Kurt Nicklas]

On Apr 25, 9:59 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:26:32 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>

I'm suggesting that putting a city of 1M people in "self-shelter mode
because an unarmed
19 year old terrorist is running around and we don't know where he is
and our own state has such tight gun control laws that we can't
protect ourselves" is ludicrous.

But, in a sense, Boston got what it deserved, didn't it, Girlie?

[MarkA]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:18:51 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:


>> Death toll from the Russian response: somewhere around 300 kids. Death
>> toll from the Boston response: 2, the elder of the two bombers, and a
>> campus policeman who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Are you
>> seriously suggesting the former is preferable?
>
> I'm suggesting that putting a city of 1M people in "self-shelter mode
> because an unarmed
> 19 year old terrorist is running around and we don't know where he is and
> our own state has such tight gun control laws that we can't protect
> ourselves" is ludicrous.
>
> But, in a sense, Boston got what it deserved, didn't it, Girlie?

Yes, it did. The two terrorists were killed or arrested, and nobody else
got killed. What a horrific outcome!

[MarkA]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:43:23 -0500, SaPeIsMa wrote:

> "MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> news:pan.2013.04.25....@nowhere.invalid...
>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 03:34:39 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 24, 6:45 pm, Davej <galt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Apr 24, 4:26 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > [...]
>>>> > I've long said that the relationship between the American Left and
>>>> > Islam is that of masochist and sadist... [...]
>>>>
>>>> Islamic terrorists are conservative religious fundamentalists. They
>>>> are anti-woman and anti-gay. They certainly have a close brotherhood
>>>> with Republican Right-Wingers.
>>>
>>> Too stupid to get the point of the article, aren't you?
>>>
>>> You must be an atheist.
>>
>> I got the point of the article. It's an endorsement of the "John Wayne
>> School of Diplomacy".
>
> LOL
> ANother demonstration of ignorance and presumptuous bigotry.
>
>>There's no situation that can't be effectively
>> addressed by going in, guns blazing, and beating the crap out of <insert
>> target here>.
>
> Actually Diplomacy in a large part relies on the ability to do EXACTLY
> that.
>

That's the whole point, Einstein. Having the *ABILITY* to break stuff is
fine, but thinking that it's the preferred first-line solution is where
fucktards like you, Kurt, and the author of the article, go off the rails.
That kind of thinking was all the rage about 2,000 years ago, but most of
us have moved on. Care to join us?

[MarkA]

Apparently, you've never read the Old Testament.

[MarkA]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:39:42 -0500, SaPeIsMa wrote:

> "Jeanne Douglas" <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hlwdjsd2-074556...@news.giganews.com...
>> In article <kla713$up7$1...@dont-email.me>, Olrik <olri...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>

>>> Le 2013-04-24 21:43, SaPeIsMa a �crit :

>>> > "Davej" <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:ad4feb85-c86c-43cd...@r6g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>>> > On Apr 24, 4:26 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> [...]
>>> >> I�ve long said that the relationship between the American Left and
>>> >> Islam is that of masochist and sadist... [...]
>>> > #
>>> > # Islamic terrorists are conservative religious fundamentalists. They
>>> > # are anti-woman and anti-gay. They certainly have a close
>>> > brotherhood # with Republican Right-Wingers.
>>> >
>>> > And yet you guys want to do kissy-face and drop pants grab ankles for
>>> > them, and conservatives are the ones who want to get rid of them
>>
>> <piggybacking>
>>
>> Huh? You want to provide some evidence for that libelous statement.
>>
>>
> It would have to be false to be libelous
>
> SO tell us why Obama is arming Egypt while it is controlled by the Islamic
> Brotherhood, whose clearly stated agenda is to install Islam all over the
> world ?
>
> And do I need to educate you as to why Islam is NOT conducive to a FREE
> society ?

Wow. SaPelsMa gets something right, for a change. Yes, Obama is being an
asshole for sending weapons to the current President of Egypt. He is no
better than the last one was. Perhaps he's doing it as a favor to the
GOPpers, so we'll have another Middle East country to invade in a few
years?

[Dreamer In Colore]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 13:59:21 -0400, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:

Damn. Now everybody around me is wondering why I'm laughing so hard
that tears are coming out of my eyes.

Thanks, Mark.

Cheers,
Dreamer
AA 2306

[raven1]

"Yes" would have been simpler and more honest.

[raven1]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:15:47 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
<kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Apr 25, 11:10�am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 03:34:39 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>>
>> <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Apr 24, 6:45 pm, Davej <galt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Apr 24, 4:26 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > [...]
>> >> > I ve long said that the relationship between the American Left and
>> >> > Islam is that of masochist and sadist... [...]
>>
>> >> Islamic terrorists are conservative religious fundamentalists. They
>> >> are anti-woman and anti-gay. They certainly have a close brotherhood
>> >> with Republican Right-Wingers.
>>
>> >Too stupid to get the point of the article, aren't you?
>>
>> You seem to think that the point of the article was that a ham-fisted
>> response that resulted in hundreds of collateral deaths is preferable
>> to an approach that resulted in two, one of them being one of the
>> bombers.
>
>Is that the point, girlie, once you've filtered the actual words of
>the piece through
>your thought-stifling, wimp-enhanced, self-sheltered viewpoint?

What do *you* think the point was, KKKurt?

>I suggest you go to ground. After all, the next person who knocks on
>your door may
>have a gun and will shoot you.
>
>Gosh, couldn't have any of that, could we?

Gosh, but you're batshit insane.

[SaPeIsMa]

Poor child
YOu really are UNABLE to post without including a whole pile of projections
about others
Why do you have this need ?
Is this the ONLY way you have to imagine yourself supeiror ?
Too bad it's a rather inferior trait..

> That kind of thinking was all the rage about 2,000 years ago, but most of
> us have moved on. Care to join us?
>

Why would anyone want to join with an inferior moron like you ?
Silly boi..

[SaPeIsMa]

"MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2013.04.25....@nowhere.invalid...
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:44:33 -0500, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>
>> "MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2013.04.25....@nowhere.invalid...
>>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 00:52:23 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:
>>>
>>>> Davej <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ad4feb85-c86c-43cd-a5ed-
>>>> fe6929...@r6g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 24, 4:26 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> I've long said that the relationship between the American Left and
>>>>>> Islam is that of masochist and sadist... [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Islamic terrorists are conservative religious fundamentalists. They
>>>>> are anti-woman and anti-gay. They certainly have a close brotherhood
>>>>> with Republican Right-Wingers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Then how come we're the one's that want to kill them and you guys want
>>>> to suck thier cocks?
>>>
>>> Because you subscribe to the Biblical principle of genocide.
>>
>> Are you really such an idiot as to be unable to make any kind of argument
>> with some strawman ??
>
> Apparently, you've never read the Old Testament.
>

I'm willing to bet that I not only have read it a few more times than you.
But unlike you, I actually learned something from it other than just
superficial shit, as you demonstrate..

Maybe you should STOP making stupid presumptions about everyone else
It just demonstrates that you are a small-minded idiot.

[MarkA]

What a shame! You must have gotten a sanitized copy of the OT, that has
all the stuff about the Israelites extermination whole races, like the
Amorites, edited out. You're missing all the good parts!

Put away that Romper Room version, and read the REAL bible. It has turned
many a theist into an atheist.

[Scout]

"MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2013.04.25....@nowhere.invalid...

Please document that that it cost us "multi-trillion dollars" given that the
Congressional Research Service puts the sum around $1.4 Trillion.

Then you can document the "multi-million lives" you assert were lost.

[Scout]

"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:bfb30503-6c01-409c...@o6g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 25, 9:59 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:26:32 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>>
>> <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Note that, when the Russian military finally stormed the school, they
>> >were accompanied by armed residents of the village, desperate to save
>> >their children. In typical ham-handed Russian fashion, the former

>> >Soviets managed to kill almost as many people as they saved � but the

>> >point is they fought back.
>>
>> Death toll from the Russian response: somewhere around 300 kids. Death
>> toll from the Boston response: 2, the elder of the two bombers, and a
>> campus policeman who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Are you
>> seriously suggesting the former is preferable?
>
> I'm suggesting that putting a city of 1M people in "self-shelter mode
> because an unarmed
> 19 year old terrorist

Unarmed? Is this the same unarmed 19 year old terrorist that earlier acting
with his brother was shooting at police and throwing bombs at them?

[Kurt Nicklas]

On Apr 25, 7:20 pm, "Scout"
<me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
> "Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> news:bfb30503-6c01-409c...@o6g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 25, 9:59 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:26:32 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>
> >> <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Note that, when the Russian military finally stormed the school, they
> >> >were accompanied by armed residents of the village, desperate to save
> >> >their children. In typical ham-handed Russian fashion, the former

> >> >Soviets managed to kill almost as many people as they saved but the

> >> >point is they fought back.
>
> >> Death toll from the Russian response: somewhere around 300 kids. Death
> >> toll from the Boston response: 2, the elder of the two bombers, and a
> >> campus policeman who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Are you
> >> seriously suggesting the former is preferable?
>
> > I'm suggesting that putting a city of 1M people in "self-shelter mode
> > because an unarmed
> > 19 year old terrorist
>
> Unarmed? Is this the same unarmed 19 year old terrorist that earlier acting
> with his brother was shooting at police and throwing bombs at them?

When they found him in the boat he was unarmed. Really, it would help
if you would
keep up with the news.

[Kurt Nicklas]

Only for a simplistic fool like you who'd rather not really read what
posted against her.

[Kurt Nicklas]

Forget about the MIT policeman killed in Cambridge? Really, you might
keep up with the news if you want to comment.

Apart from that you saw a city of a million plus people come to a
halt, public transport stopped, no businesses open, people told to
stay in their homes. In many ways, the terrorists WON in ways that
even the 9/11 terrorists didn't succeed.

The terrorists WON.

[Kurt Nicklas]

On Apr 25, 2:27 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:15:47 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 25, 11:10 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 03:34:39 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>
> >> <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Apr 24, 6:45 pm, Davej <galt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Apr 24, 4:26 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > [...]
> >> >> > I ve long said that the relationship between the American Left and
> >> >> > Islam is that of masochist and sadist... [...]
>
> >> >> Islamic terrorists are conservative religious fundamentalists. They
> >> >> are anti-woman and anti-gay. They certainly have a close brotherhood
> >> >> with Republican Right-Wingers.
>
> >> >Too stupid to get the point of the article, aren't you?
>
> >> You seem to think that the point of the article was that a ham-fisted
> >> response that resulted in hundreds of collateral deaths is preferable
> >> to an approach that resulted in two, one of them being one of the
> >> bombers.
>
> >Is that the point, girlie, once you've filtered the actual words of
> >the piece through
> >your thought-stifling, wimp-enhanced, self-sheltered viewpoint?
>
> What do *you* think the point was, KKKurt?

Go back and read the article again, Anonymous Coward. Concentrate on
the
first 3 paragraphs.

> >I suggest you go to ground. After all, the next person who knocks on
> >your door may
> >have a gun and will shoot you.
>
> >Gosh, couldn't have any of that, could we?
>
> Gosh, but you're batshit insane.

Coming from someone calling herself a "BAHWAH Knight" on Usenet ---
that is humorous.

[Slackjaw]

Man of Mind wrote:

> On 4/24/2013 9:54 PM, flapsjaw <wsjam...@gmail.com> whimpered:
> >
> > Davej wrote:
> > >
> >>On Apr 24, 4:26 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtn...@gmail.com> sniveled:

> > > > [...]
> > > > I’ve long said that the relationship between the American Left
> > > > and Islam is that of masochist and sadist... [...]
> > >
> > > Islamic terrorists are conservative religious fundamentalists.
> > > They are anti-woman and anti-gay. They certainly have a close
> > > brotherhood with Republican Right-Wingers.
> >

> > Except Republican Right-Wingers are neither anti-woman and anti-gay.
>
> Wow, and you really believe that, right?

More than I believe you have a physics degree.

--
---
Truth is the cure for liberalism.
---

[linuxgal]

Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> The terrorists WON.

Well, no, one is dead, and the other'un is either going to die or go
into a kind of living death in federal lock-up. So they're winning
like Charlie Sheen.

--
Halftime at Circvs Maximvs, and the Lions lead the Christians 326-0

[Scout]

"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:a9d1e8dc-e508-402a...@v4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

I see... so according to you the police are now clairvoyant enough to know
whether someone will be armed or not when they next meet up with them and
the fact that he was armed and shooting at police not that much earlier has
nothing to do with how they should react when searching for him?
.

[Kurt Nicklas]

On Apr 25, 9:31 pm, "Scout"

I see...so the entire city being shut down, no businesses open, no
mass transport running, an entire populace told to stay inside is fine
with you simply because a 19 year old who MIGHT have been armed and
PROBABLY was woundedis still unlocated? Like I said before, the
TERRORISTS WON and your silly way of thinking is just more proof of
the fact:

The TERRORISTS WON IN BOSTON. No question about it.
.

[Kurt Nicklas]

On Apr 25, 9:29 pm, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
> Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> > The terrorists WON.
>
> Well, no, one is dead, and the other'un is either going to die or go
> into a kind of living death in federal lock-up.   So they're winning
> like Charlie Sheen.

They won because they succeeded in doing what they set out to do.
They won because they made an entire city shut down while looking for
them.
Even 9/11 didn't do that to New York in 2001.

Do you have ANY idea what that means for the future?

We've become a nation of sheep.

[Scout]

"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:837546b6-4bcb-4f5c...@t5g2000yql.googlegroups.com...

So you're suggesting that the police would advise the people to ignore this
desperate criminal in their midst who has already killed his own brother to
get away after using guns and bombs to prevent being arrested by police?

Oh, and I note your lame attempt to change the discussion when the illogic
of treating him as unarmed was pointed out.

[Kurt Nicklas]

On Apr 25, 9:40 pm, "Scout"

Boston has lots of desperate criminals. Lots of murders. They don't
shut down the whole city.

> Oh, and I note your lame attempt to change the discussion when the illogic
> of treating him as unarmed was pointed out.

I did no such thing. The point is that armed or unarmed, they shut
down the entire city looking for one guy - probably wounded, probably
unarmed. In fact he WAS unarmed.

Fact facts: the terrorists WON and we've sown the seeds of more
similar acts.

You and your fellow bleeding hearts: we've turned into a nation of
SHEEP.

[Kurt Nicklas]

On Apr 25, 5:49 pm, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:00:46 -0500, SaPeIsMa wrote:
> > "MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:pan.2013.04.25....@nowhere.invalid...
> >> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:44:33 -0500, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>
> >>> "MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>news:pan.2013.04.25....@nowhere.invalid...
> >>>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 00:52:23 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:
>

> >>>>> Davej <galt...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ad4feb85-c86c-43cd-a5ed-
> >>>>> fe692959b...@r6g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:

>
> >>>>>> On Apr 24, 4:26 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>> I've long said that the relationship between the American Left and
> >>>>>>> Islam is that of masochist and sadist... [...]
>
> >>>>>> Islamic terrorists are conservative religious fundamentalists. They
> >>>>>> are anti-woman and anti-gay. They certainly have a close brotherhood
> >>>>>> with Republican Right-Wingers.
>
> >>>>> Then how come we're the one's that want to kill them and you guys
> >>>>> want to suck thier cocks?
>
> >>>> Because you subscribe to the Biblical principle of genocide.
>
> >>> Are you really such an idiot as to be unable to make any kind of
> >>> argument with some strawman ??
>
> >> Apparently, you've never read the Old Testament.
>
> > I'm willing to bet that I not only have read it a few more times than you.
> > But unlike you, I actually learned something from it other than just
> > superficial shit, as you demonstrate..
>
> > Maybe you should STOP making stupid presumptions about everyone else It
> > just demonstrates that you are a small-minded idiot.
>
> What a shame!  You must have gotten a sanitized copy of the OT, that has
> all the stuff about the Israelites extermination whole races, like the
> Amorites, edited out. You're missing all the good parts!
>
> Put away that Romper Room version, and read the REAL bible.  It has turned
> many a theist into an atheist.

It certainly turned me into an atheist.

Eventually I got smart, I grew up and it turned me back.

Thank God.

[Scout]

"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:a4800369-6790-40e5...@r3g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 25, 9:29 pm, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>> Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>> > The terrorists WON.
>>
>> Well, no, one is dead, and the other'un is either going to die or go
>> into a kind of living death in federal lock-up. So they're winning
>> like Charlie Sheen.
>
> They won because they succeeded in doing what they set out to do.
> They won because they made an entire city shut down while looking for
> them.
> Even 9/11 didn't do that to New York in 2001.

Yea, after all, I'm sure it was almost certain that one or more of the
terrorists from those 2 flights had survived and was at large in NYC......

[Scout]

"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:bacc5f2f-518b-4cd6...@d6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...

And how many had just recently bombed a crowd of people...not once but
twice?

[Kurt Nicklas]

On Apr 25, 9:54 pm, "Scout"

None. And that's just why the terrorists WON.

And that's registered with all the other terrorists foreign and
domestic who now know the threshold of violence that it takes to shut
down a major american city with the expenditure of almost no
resources.

How many times do I have to repeat it?

[Kurt Nicklas]

On Apr 25, 9:53 pm, "Scout"
<me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
> "Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote in message

You don't remember the panic and uncertainty about what could happen
next in New York and around the country?

Sill wearing diapers then were you? The situation created a tremendous
amount of uncertainty everywhere but it didn't shut down the city.

Like I said: The terrorists WON. We'll have hell to pay the next time.

But, hey, you and your ilk can probably find some way or other to
blame it on Bush, right?

[Scout]

"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:efb8c228-0d33-4798...@e13g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...

Personally, I think you should repeat it every 5 seconds for the rest of
your life.

Of course I bet we would run out of terrorists long before we run out of
cities to shut down figuring an average of 2 killed or captured per city.

[Scout]

"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:9b1d43b6-57d2-4465...@o6g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...

Good, and maybe in time we will actually engage in a War in Terror rather
than fucking around.

A real war on terror would mean that any known terrorist, supporter, aider,
leader, financier, ect is put on a list and hit squads are sent out to track
down and kill every one of them whenever and wherever they may be. You run a
training camp....expect it to be wiped off the map and everyone in it to be
killed. You give money to a terrorist or his organization....expect to drop
dead in the near future.

If we're going to fight a war on terror, then let's do so. Let's take the
fight to the terrorists. Along with this quit giving them any publicity.
Just a simple acknowledgement that x number of terrorists were killed or
captured this week.

[Kurt Nicklas]

On Apr 26, 1:18 am, "Scout"

I agree with you completely on this.

[raven1]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:52:26 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
<kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Eventually I got smart

Objection! Facts not in evidence.

[raven1]

I can read perfectly well, KKKurt; it's hardly my fault that your
alcohol-soaked brain can't understand the implications of your own
posts. And if you insist on referring to me as female, thinking that
is somehow insulting, I shall refer to you as "pig" in return from now
on. At least that would be accurate, albeit insulting to actual pigs.

[raven1]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:38:52 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
<kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Apr 25, 9:29 pm, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:
>> Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>> > The terrorists WON.
>>
>> Well, no, one is dead, and the other'un is either going to die or go
>> into a kind of living death in federal lock-up.   So they're winning
>> like Charlie Sheen.
>
>They won because they succeeded in doing what they set out to do.
>They won because they made an entire city shut down while looking for
>them.

What an odd motive to attribute to them. Are you sure you thought that
one through, pig?

[raven1]

Inability to reply noted. Try again, KKKurt.

[MarkA]

You're a real piece of work, Kurt. Even for a conservative cretin. The
city shut down for ONE DAY, during which the police found and captured the
surviving suspect, with no further injuries. Things then went back to
normal. And you call that a WIN for the terrorists?

From my perspective, it was a remarkable show of good police work, public
support, and good luck.

--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock

[MarkA]

Team America, Fuck Yeah! Lick my ass and suck on my balls!!

[SaPeIsMa]

"MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2013.04.25....@nowhere.invalid...
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:00:46 -0500, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>
>> "MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2013.04.25....@nowhere.invalid...
>>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:44:33 -0500, SaPeIsMa wrote:
>>>
>>>> "MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:pan.2013.04.25....@nowhere.invalid...
>>>>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 00:52:23 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:
>>>>>

>>>>>> Davej <gal...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:ad4feb85-c86c-43cd-a5ed-
>>>>>> fe6929...@r6g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:

>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 4:26 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> I've long said that the relationship between the American Left and
>>>>>>>> Islam is that of masochist and sadist... [...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Islamic terrorists are conservative religious fundamentalists. They
>>>>>>> are anti-woman and anti-gay. They certainly have a close brotherhood
>>>>>>> with Republican Right-Wingers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

>>>>>> Then how come we're the one's that want to kill them and you guys
>>>>>> want to suck thier cocks?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because you subscribe to the Biblical principle of genocide.
>>>>
>>>> Are you really such an idiot as to be unable to make any kind of
>>>> argument with some strawman ??
>>>
>>> Apparently, you've never read the Old Testament.
>>>
>>>
>> I'm willing to bet that I not only have read it a few more times than
>> you.
>> But unlike you, I actually learned something from it other than just
>> superficial shit, as you demonstrate..
>>
>> Maybe you should STOP making stupid presumptions about everyone else It
>> just demonstrates that you are a small-minded idiot.
>
> What a shame! You must have gotten a sanitized copy of the OT, that has
> all the stuff about the Israelites extermination whole races, like the
> Amorites, edited out. You're missing all the good parts!

More stupid presumptions that are really quite irrelvant anyway

>
> Put away that Romper Room version, and read the REAL bible. It has turned
> many a theist into an atheist.
>

You just can't stop yourself from making stupid presumptions
Poor thing

[SaPeIsMa]

"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:639912b6-4faf-4989...@o6g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...

On Apr 25, 1:40 pm, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:18:51 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
> >> Death toll from the Russian response: somewhere around 300 kids. Death
> >> toll from the Boston response: 2, the elder of the two bombers, and a
> >> campus policeman who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Are you
> >> seriously suggesting the former is preferable?
>
> > I'm suggesting that putting a city of 1M people in "self-shelter mode
> > because an unarmed
> > 19 year old terrorist is running around and we don't know where he is
> > and
> > our own state has such tight gun control laws that we can't protect
> > ourselves" is ludicrous.
>
> > But, in a sense, Boston got what it deserved, didn't it, Girlie?
>
> Yes, it did. The two terrorists were killed or arrested, and nobody else
> got killed. What a horrific outcome!

#
# Forget about the MIT policeman killed in Cambridge? Really, you might
# keep up with the news if you want to comment.
#
# Apart from that you saw a city of a million plus people come to a
# halt, public transport stopped, no businesses open, people told to
# stay in their homes. In many ways, the terrorists WON in ways that
# even the 9/11 terrorists didn't succeed.
#
# The terrorists WON.

You are correct.
One of the objectives of terrorists is to put people into a "siege mindset".
In that respect, the government of MA and Boston have effectively playing
into the hands of the two terrorists.

[MarkA]

On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 19:15:31 -0400, Scout wrote:

>
>
> "MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> news:pan.2013.04.25....@nowhere.invalid...

>> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 03:34:39 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 24, 6:45 pm, Davej <galt...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>> On Apr 24, 4:26 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > [...]
>>>> > I've long said that the relationship between the American Left and
>>>> > Islam is that of masochist and sadist... [...]
>>>>
>>>> Islamic terrorists are conservative religious fundamentalists. They
>>>> are anti-woman and anti-gay. They certainly have a close brotherhood
>>>> with Republican Right-Wingers.
>>>

>>> Too stupid to get the point of the article, aren't you?
>>>

>>> You must be an atheist.
>>
>> I got the point of the article. It's an endorsement of the "John Wayne
>> School of Diplomacy". There's no situation that can't be effectively
>> addressed by going in, guns blazing, and beating the crap out of <insert
>> target here>. Who cares if a bunch of kids get killed in the process?
>> Trying to find a solution that minimizes casualties is for sissies and
>> girly-men, isn't it?
>>
>> We can thank GW's belief in John Wayne for our multi-trillion dollar,
>> multi-million lives lost fiasco in the Middle East.
>
> Please document that that it cost us "multi-trillion dollars" given that
> the Congressional Research Service puts the sum around $1.4 Trillion.

Oh, let's quibble about whether 1.4 trillion counts as "multi", shall we?
Perhaps then we won't have to think about the fact that the war was, and
still is, a TOTAL FUCKING DISASTER, that could have been avoided. Or, the
fact that a distressing number of people, like you, still think that it
was, and still is, a *good idea*.

[MarkA]

It's so much easier than having to actually think for yourself, isn't it?

[SaPeIsMa]

"linuxgal" <linu...@cleanposts.com> wrote in message
news:oe-dnRq8QdAbReTM...@giganews.com...

> Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>> The terrorists WON.
>
> Well, no, one is dead, and the other'un is either going to die or go into
> a kind of living death in federal lock-up. So they're winning like
> Charlie Sheen.
>

Amazing how people are so superficial as to focus on the end status of the
terrorists while ignoring the end status of their intended objective.
These two were so focused on getting the job done, that they actually appear
to have spent NO TIME AT ALL planning an exit strategy
so clearly that was NOT of any great importance to them

One intended objective of terrorist acts is to create a "siege mentality" in
those they attempt to terrorize.
In that respect they succeeded.

[SaPeIsMa]

"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:9765a164-e1ab-4f54...@t5g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 25, 2:27 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:15:47 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >On Apr 25, 11:10 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 03:34:39 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
>

> >> <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Apr 24, 6:45 pm, Davej <galt...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >> >> On Apr 24, 4:26 pm, Kurt Nicklas <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > [...]
> >> >> > I ve long said that the relationship between the American Left and
> >> >> > Islam is that of masochist and sadist... [...]
>
> >> >> Islamic terrorists are conservative religious fundamentalists. They
> >> >> are anti-woman and anti-gay. They certainly have a close brotherhood
> >> >> with Republican Right-Wingers.
>

> >> >Too stupid to get the point of the article, aren't you?
>

> >> You seem to think that the point of the article was that a ham-fisted
> >> response that resulted in hundreds of collateral deaths is preferable
> >> to an approach that resulted in two, one of them being one of the
> >> bombers.
>
> >Is that the point, girlie, once you've filtered the actual words of
> >the piece through
> >your thought-stifling, wimp-enhanced, self-sheltered viewpoint?
>
> What do *you* think the point was, KKKurt?

Go back and read the article again, Anonymous Coward. Concentrate on
the
first 3 paragraphs.

> >I suggest you go to ground. After all, the next person who knocks on
> >your door may
> >have a gun and will shoot you.
>
> >Gosh, couldn't have any of that, could we?
>
> Gosh, but you're batshit insane.
#
# Coming from someone calling herself a "BAHWAH Knight" on Usenet ---
# that is humorous.

One of these days, when I have time to really waste some time, I'll have to
look up what that means.
But frankly considering how moronic, those claiming that affiliation have
been, it's about on the same level of importance as polishing up to a mirror
shine the chain-link fence.

[RD Sandman]

MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in
news:pan.2013.04.26....@nowhere.invalid:

You will have to ask Obama. He continued most of Shrub's policies after
he took office. Was against them as a Senator or candidate but continued
them as a president. Amazing phenomenon when the weight of the office is
on one's shoulders rather than simply being able to carp.

--
Sleep well, tonight.....

RD (The Sandman

You can be young without money, but you
can't be old without it.

[RD Sandman]

Kurt Nicklas <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:a9d1e8dc-e508-402a...@v4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:

> On Apr 25, 7:20 pm, "Scout"

> <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>> "Kurt Nicklas" <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>

>> news:bfb30503-6c01-409c...@o6g2000yqo.googlegroups.com.
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>> > On Apr 25, 9:59 am, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:26:32 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas

>>
>> >> <kurtnick...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >Note that, when the Russian military finally stormed the school,
>> >> >they were accompanied by armed residents of the village,
>> >> >desperate to save their children. In typical ham-handed Russian
>> >> >fashion, the former Soviets managed to kill almost as many people
>> >> >as they saved but the point is they fought back.
>>

>> >> Death toll from the Russian response: somewhere around 300 kids.
>> >> Death toll from the Boston response: 2, the elder of the two
>> >> bombers, and a campus policeman who was in the wrong place at the
>> >> wrong time. Are you seriously suggesting the former is preferable?
>>
>> > I'm suggesting that putting a city of 1M people in "self-shelter
>> > mode because an unarmed
>> > 19 year old terrorist
>>

>> Unarmed? Is this the same unarmed 19 year old terrorist that earlier
>> acti

> ng
>> with his brother was shooting at police and throwing bombs at them?
>

> When they found him in the boat he was unarmed. Really, it would help
> if you would
> keep up with the news.
>

According to new reports and police reports, he exchanged gunfire with
police while he was in the boat. If he was unarmed it was because he
threw the gun out before surrendering.

[Scout]

"MarkA" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message

news:pan.2013.04.26....@nowhere.invalid...

IOW, you're telling us to ignore whether what you're saying is factual?

> Perhaps then we won't have to think about the fact that the war was, and
> still is, a TOTAL FUCKING DISASTER, that could have been avoided.

Perhaps, but the US government, including Congress seemed to feel it was
necessary.

> Or, the
> fact that a distressing number of people, like you, still think that it
> was, and still is, a *good idea*.

Straw man.

So there are you once again making up things to suit yourself rather than
dealing with the facts.

[Jeanne Douglas]

In article <pan.2013.04.26...@nowhere.invalid>,

Exactly. It was the perfect example of America in action. People
cooperating with each other to achieve a common goal.

--

JD

"Osama Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."--VP Joseph Biden

[RD Sandman]

Jeanne Douglas <hlwd...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in
news:hlwdjsd2-6D2771...@news.giganews.com:

And, actually, the city only shut down for a short time and only in
certain areas. The rest kept on going just like any other day in the
week other than a closer eye on the TV.

[Kurt Nicklas]

On Apr 26, 1:13 am, "Scout"

Unfortunately, I don't think that would even be sufficient for you to
understand something you don't WANT to comprehend.

[Kurt Nicklas]

On Apr 26, 7:57 pm, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> In article <pan.2013.04.26.13.10.26.12...@nowhere.invalid>,

You're both fools. By taking control of a major city for a short tern
- and that's just what they did - they have caused more erosion of
civic life for us all with more serveillance, cameras, police and
government control.

But, of course, more government control is just FINE for you left-
wingers.

Loss of human liberties and greater control by the central government
what is DEFINES your politics.

[Kurt Nicklas]

On Apr 26, 8:18 pm, RD Sandman <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote:
> Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote innews:hlwdjsd2-6D2771...@news.giganews.com:
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> > In article <pan.2013.04.26.13.10.26.12...@nowhere.invalid>,

I lived and worked in Boston for a number of years. The 'Shelter in
place' signboards were in locations that imply the entire city was
shut down and sheltering from the 19 year-old.

Pathetic.

[Kurt Nicklas]

I don't know that we're interested in hearing about your sexual
practices, atheist.

I know I'm not.

[Kurt Nicklas]

Go back and read it, Richard. It'll do you good.

[RD Sandman]

Kurt Nicklas <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:9fc0ec1b-906b-4882...@z10g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:

> On Apr 26, 8:18�pm, RD Sandman <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote

>> innews:hlwdjsd2-6D2771.16
> 571126...@news.giganews.com:

However, news cameras covering it showed people freely wandering around
and conducting their business in many areas.

[raven1]

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:37:59 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@gmail.com>
wrote:

># Coming from someone calling herself a "BAHWAH Knight" on Usenet ---
># that is humorous.
>
>One of these days, when I have time to really waste some time, I'll have to
>look up what that means.

Since you asked, "BAAWA" is an imaginary organization, "Bad-Assed
Atheists With Attitude". "BAAWA Knight" is a title awarded to those of
us who not only don't suffer theist foolishness gladly, but don't
suffer it at all, normally in recognition of a particularly artful
takedown. Now that I've satisfied your curiosity, what does "SaPeIsMa"
signify?

---
raven1
aa # 1096
EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
BAAWA Knight

[Kurt Nicklas]

On Apr 27, 12:01 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:37:59 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeI...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
> ># Coming from someone calling herself a "BAHWAH Knight" on Usenet ---
> ># that is humorous.
>
> >One of these days, when I have time to really waste some time, I'll have to
> >look up what that means.
>
> Since you asked, "BAAWA" is an imaginary organization, "Bad-Assed
> Atheists With Attitude". "BAAWA Knight" is a title awarded to those of

> us who not only don't suffer.......................

<balance of this childish foolishness mercy-snipped>

You really are a fool, Richard.

[Scout]

"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:41883ff4-88af-43cb...@n4g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...

Oh, I comprehend it, I just don't agree with you.

[SaPeIsMa]

"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:8dc69c90-0644-4e5b...@a8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...

On Apr 27, 12:01 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:37:59 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeI...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> ># Coming from someone calling herself a "BAHWAH Knight" on Usenet ---
> ># that is humorous.
>
> >One of these days, when I have time to really waste some time, I'll have
> >to
> >look up what that means.
>
> Since you asked, "BAAWA" is an imaginary organization, "Bad-Assed
> Atheists With Attitude". "BAAWA Knight" is a title awarded to those of
> us who not only don't suffer.......................

#
# <balance of this childish foolishness mercy-snipped>
#
# You really are a fool, Richard.

So "baawa" is just a self-defined title for moron..
Got it..
And a "baawa knight" is just a bigger moron..



So let me get this clear...
Current theory about the creation of the Universe, goes like this..
First there was nothing
Then there was a "Big Bang" explosion
And the universe as we know it was created..

Sounds like Yahweh is having a bit of fun that the expense of the "baawa"
idiots.

[MarkA]

That's the thing about having a bomb. It doesn't matter if you're a 19
year old, 80 pound weakling, or a 25 year old, 350 pound NFL linebacker,
or an 80 year old who walks with a cane: you can still kill a fuck of a
lot of people.

--
MarkA

If you can read this, you can stop reading now.

[MarkA]

Those are all valid concerns, and issues that I think about, as well.
There is certainly an inherent conflict of interests between civil
liberties and protecting the public. Unlike you, I don't think it's
unreasonable to ask people to make a sacrifice of their immediate
convenience when there is a bomber in their midst.

>
> But, of course, more government control is just FINE for you left-
> wingers.
>
> Loss of human liberties and greater control by the central government
> what is DEFINES your politics.

Just as being a asshole defines your politics?

Asshole.

[MarkA]

They succeeded after 9/11, with the passage of the Patriot Act. It will
take a long time to get that repealed.

[MarkA]

On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:15:02 -0400, raven1 wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:38:52 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas
> <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Apr 25, 9:29 pm, linuxgal <linux...@cleanposts.com> wrote:

>>> Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>> > The terrorists WON.
>>>
>>> Well, no, one is dead, and the other'un is either going to die or go
>>> into a kind of living death in federal lock-up.   So they're winning
>>> like Charlie Sheen.
>>

>>They won because they succeeded in doing what they set out to do.
>>They won because they made an entire city shut down while looking for
>>them.
>

> What an odd motive to attribute to them. Are you sure you thought that
> one through, pig?

Clearly, they put themselves in danger so they could inconvenience a city
for about a whole day. They probably also wanted to cause a tiny amount
of increased wear-and-tear on the police helicopter, too!

Clearly, they had an ambitious agenda!

[MarkA]

What's the saying about not judging someone until you have walked in their
shoes? Obama is certainly not the liberal firebrand some GOPpers like to
pretend he is.

[MarkA]

Oh, I remember now! You're the one who previously said, "Sorry, but what
you call hyperbole looks exactly like a fanatic lying about the facts."
You know, being excessively "concrete" in use of language can be a sign of
psychosis, or possibly autism. Do you have trouble understanding
neurotypical people?

In another thread, I called someone an asshole (it may even have been
YOU!). Are you going to point out to me that a person can't literally be
an asshole, because they also need a heart, lungs, etc, to stay alive?

Asshole. <--- there! I did it again! Would that I could stop being a
fanatic, lying about the facts!!!

>> Perhaps then we won't have to think about the fact that the war was,
>> and still is, a TOTAL FUCKING DISASTER, that could have been avoided.
>
> Perhaps, but the US government, including Congress seemed to feel it was
> necessary.

True, but that was back before it was obvious what demented, lying,
skunks Bush and Cheney were.

>
>> Or, the
>> fact that a distressing number of people, like you, still think that it
>> was, and still is, a *good idea*.
>
> Straw man.
>
> So there are you once again making up things to suit yourself rather
> than dealing with the facts.

So, you DON'T think that invading Iraq was a good idea? There may be hope
for you, yet.

[Kurt Nicklas]

What would you know about thinking?

Heck, you apparently can't even *read.

<snickers>

[raven1]

On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 18:48:40 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>"Kurt Nicklas" <kurtn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:8dc69c90-0644-4e5b...@a8g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
>On Apr 27, 12:01 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 08:37:59 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeI...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ># Coming from someone calling herself a "BAHWAH Knight" on Usenet ---
>> ># that is humorous.
>>
>> >One of these days, when I have time to really waste some time, I'll have
>> >to
>> >look up what that means.
>>
>> Since you asked, "BAAWA" is an imaginary organization, "Bad-Assed
>> Atheists With Attitude". "BAAWA Knight" is a title awarded to those of
>> us who not only don't suffer.......................
>#
># <balance of this childish foolishness mercy-snipped>
>#
># You really are a fool, Richard

Who the fuck is Richard?

>So "baawa" is just a self-defined title for moron..
> Got it..
>And a "baawa knight" is just a bigger moron..

You might want to recall the saying about people who live in glass
houses. Or in your case, a glass trailer?

>So let me get this clear...
>Current theory about the creation of the Universe, goes like this..
>First there was nothing
>Then there was a "Big Bang" explosion
>And the universe as we know it was created..
>
>Sounds like Yahweh is having a bit of fun that the expense of the "baawa"
>idiots.

Translation: "I can't be bothered to learn about science, so I'll just
trust that everything happened by magic". Are you five years old?

[RD Sandman]

MarkA <som...@somewhere.invalid> wrote in
news:pan.2013.04.28....@somewhere.invalid:

What part(s) of the Patriot Act have directly affected you?

I ask because it doesn't look like Obama is in any hurry to make it go
away and it has, possibly, kept us from another attack like 9/11. Of
course, I would like to know for sure that it has but I doubt the FBI
will release any of that information.

[RD Sandman]

MarkA <som...@somewhere.invalid> wrote in
news:pan.2013.04.28....@somewhere.invalid:

In some ways he is pissing off his own party.

[SaPeIsMa]

"MarkA" <som...@somewhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2013.04.28....@somewhere.invalid...

> On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 04:07:50 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>

>> On Apr 26, 8:18Â pm, RD Sandman <rdsandman[remove]@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> Jeanne Douglas <hlwdj...@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote
>>> innews:hlwdjsd2-6D2771...@news.giganews.com:
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> > In article <pan.2013.04.26.13.10.26.12...@nowhere.invalid>,

>>> > Â MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:56:30 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>>
>>> >> > On Apr 25, 1:40Â pm, MarkA <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>> >> >> On Thu, 25 Apr 2013 08:18:51 -0700, Kurt Nicklas wrote:
>>> >> >> >> Death toll from the Russian response: somewhere around 300
>>> >> >> >> kids. Death toll from the Boston response: 2, the elder of the
>>> >> >> >> two bombers, and a campus policeman who was in the wrong place
>>> >> >> >> at the wrong time. Are you seriously suggesting the former is
>>> >> >> >> preferable?
>>>
>>> >> >> > I'm suggesting that putting a city of 1M people in "self-shelter
>>> >> >> > mode because an unarmed
>>> >> >> > 19 year old terrorist is running around and we don't know where
>>> >> >> > he is and our own state has such tight gun control laws that we
>>> >> >> > can't protect ourselves" is ludicrous.
>>>
>>> >> >> > But, in a sense, Boston got what it deserved, didn't it, Girlie?
>>>

>>> >> >> Yes, it did. Â The two terrorists were killed or arrested, and
>>> >> >> nobody else got killed. Â What a horrific outcome!

>>>
>>> >> > Forget about the MIT policeman killed in Cambridge? Really, you
>>> >> > might keep up with the news if you want to comment.
>>>
>>> >> > Apart from that you saw a city of a million plus people come to a
>>> >> > halt, public transport stopped, no businesses open, people told to
>>> >> > stay in their homes. In many ways, the terrorists WON in ways that
>>> >> > even the 9/11 terrorists didn't succeed.
>>>
>>> >> > The terrorists WON.
>>>

>>> >> You're a real piece of work, Kurt. Â Even for a conservative cretin.

>>> >> The city shut down for ONE DAY, during which the police found and

>>> >> captured the surviving suspect, with no further injuries. Â Things
>>> >> then went back to normal. Â And you call that a WIN for the

>>> >> terrorists?
>>>
>>> >> From my perspective, it was a remarkable show of good police work,
>>> >> public support, and good luck.
>>>
>>> > Exactly. It was the perfect example of America in action. People
>>> > cooperating with each other to achieve a common goal.
>>>
>>> And, actually, the city only shut down for a short time and only in

>>> certain areas. Â The rest kept on going just like any other day in the

>>> week other than a closer eye on the TV.
>>
>> I lived and worked in Boston for a number of years. The 'Shelter in
>> place' signboards were in locations that imply the entire city was
>> shut down and sheltering from the 19 year-old.
>>
>> Pathetic.
>
> That's the thing about having a bomb. It doesn't matter if you're a 19
> year old, 80 pound weakling, or a 25 year old, 350 pound NFL linebacker,
> or an 80 year old who walks with a cane: you can still kill a fuck of a
> lot of people.
>

You can do that with a car too., and plowing into a crowd.
So what's your point ?

[SaPeIsMa]

"MarkA" <som...@somewhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2013.04.28....@somewhere.invalid...

So you're OK with more of the same ?
How stupid are you really ?

[SaPeIsMa]

"MarkA" <som...@somewhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2013.04.28....@somewhere.invalid...

You're quite right
Ne never was a "liberal firebrand"
He always was and remain a hard-line Marxists whose primary objective is to
"change" America.
Anyone who has read his alleged "memoirs" and looked at his associates past
and present will know that.
How come people like you seem unable to figure that out ?

[MarkA]

The point is that Kurt wants us to believe that there is something
"pathetic" about a city trembling in fear of a 19 year old. Clearly, a 19
year old can do things that are worth fearing. This particular 19 year
old had already demonstrated that he was willing and able to kill and
injure lots of people.

[MarkA]

Where did I say that? Are you hallucinating again?

[MarkA]

Probably because we don't share your particular assortment of delusions.

[MarkA]

The Dems certainly don't have the unified, crystal-clear vision for their
party that the GOP does. If they would just do things *my way*, it would
be SO much easier!

[SaPeIsMa]

"MarkA" <som...@somewhere.invalid> wrote in message

news:pan.2013.04.29....@somewhere.invalid...

You're the one who did the BDS side-step into the Patriot Act.
No hallucination there.
But I'm not clear about ALL the symptoms that BDS victims suffer
Why don't you elucidate on that..

[SaPeIsMa]

"MarkA" <som...@somewhere.invalid> wrote in message

news:pan.2013.04.29....@somewhere.invalid...

What you really mean is that we don't share your low level of ignorance,
bigotry and prejudice, and instead prefer to inform ourselves.
But hey, the only one who looks the fool for letting all his baggage get in
the way of things, is you..
No sweat off my back..

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:59:43 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 13:30:01 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@gmail.com>
>wrote:

>
>>> That's the thing about having a bomb. It doesn't matter if you're a 19
>>> year old, 80 pound weakling, or a 25 year old, 350 pound NFL linebacker,
>>> or an 80 year old who walks with a cane: you can still kill a fuck of a
>>> lot of people.
>>>
>>
>>You can do that with a car too.,
>

>So, we shouldn't regulate anything do to with making bombs?

Like making it illegal?

[MarkA]

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 07:59:43 -0600, Yoorghis wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 13:30:01 -0500, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPe...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>

>>> That's the thing about having a bomb. It doesn't matter if you're a 19
>>> year old, 80 pound weakling, or a 25 year old, 350 pound NFL linebacker,
>>> or an 80 year old who walks with a cane: you can still kill a fuck of a
>>> lot of people.
>>>
>>
>>You can do that with a car too.,
>

> So, we shouldn't regulate anything do to with making bombs?

You can make a bomb out of a variety of things that have alternative,
legitimate uses. How much personal freedom are you willing to sacrifice?