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Klaus Schadenfreude
Mar 5, 2013, 9:07:02 AM3/5/13
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http://www.eastoregonian.com/news/local_news/thief-takes-assault-rifle-from-police-car/article_e6fc73d0-83a2-11e2-9b5b-0019bb2963f4.html
PENDLETON — Oregon State Police and La Grande police are seeking the
public’s help in trying to find who stole an assault rifle from a
state police car.
State police reported an unknown person stole a Colt M16A1
semi-automatic rifle between Thursday at 4:30 p.m. and Friday at 8:30
a.m. from a state police car parked off the street outside the
trooper's residence in La Grande. The rifle was locked in a mounted
bracket in the car, state police said.
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Why do the police need an assault rifle? Why do they need to shoot
down airplanes and destroy trains? Why do they need a weapon whose
only purpose is to kill as many people as possible in the shortest
amount of time? Why can't they store them securely?
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PENDLETON — Oregon State Police and La Grande police are seeking the
public’s help in trying to find who stole an assault rifle from a
state police car.
State police reported an unknown person stole a Colt M16A1
semi-automatic rifle between Thursday at 4:30 p.m. and Friday at 8:30
a.m. from a state police car parked off the street outside the
trooper's residence in La Grande. The rifle was locked in a mounted
bracket in the car, state police said.
==============
Why do the police need an assault rifle? Why do they need to shoot
down airplanes and destroy trains? Why do they need a weapon whose
only purpose is to kill as many people as possible in the shortest
amount of time? Why can't they store them securely?
==============
JohnJohnsn
Mar 6, 2013, 4:26:45 AM3/6/13
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On Mar 5, 8:07 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>
> http://www.eastoregonian.com/news/local_news/thief-takes-assault-rifl...
>
> PENDLETON — Oregon State Police and La Grande police are seeking
> the public's help in trying to find who stole an assault rifle from a
> state police car.
>
> State police reported an unknown person stole a Colt M16A1 semi-automatic rifle...
>
A Colt M16A1 is not "semi-automatic:" it's a selective-fire (semi-/
fully-automatic) machine gun.
>
> ...between Thursday at 4:30 p.m. and Friday at 8:30 a.m. from a state
That's the way, Klaus: give `em back the same line of crap they use
against the pro-gun people who want those "scary-looking black
guns" (assault weapons).
wrote:
>
>
> http://www.eastoregonian.com/news/local_news/thief-takes-assault-rifl...
>
> PENDLETON — Oregon State Police and La Grande police are seeking
> the public's help in trying to find who stole an assault rifle from a
> state police car.
>
> State police reported an unknown person stole a Colt M16A1 semi-automatic rifle...
>
A Colt M16A1 is not "semi-automatic:" it's a selective-fire (semi-/
fully-automatic) machine gun.
>
> ...between Thursday at 4:30 p.m. and Friday at 8:30 a.m. from a state
> police car parked off the street outside the trooper's residence in La Grande.
> The rifle was locked in a mounted bracket in the car, state police said.
>
> ==============
> Why do the police need an assault rifle? Why do they need to shoot
> down airplanes and destroy trains? Why do they need a weapon whose
> only purpose is to kill as many people as possible in the shortest
> amount of time? Why can't they store them securely?
> ==============
>
ROTFL!
> The rifle was locked in a mounted bracket in the car, state police said.
>
> ==============
> Why do the police need an assault rifle? Why do they need to shoot
> down airplanes and destroy trains? Why do they need a weapon whose
> only purpose is to kill as many people as possible in the shortest
> amount of time? Why can't they store them securely?
> ==============
>
That's the way, Klaus: give `em back the same line of crap they use
against the pro-gun people who want those "scary-looking black
guns" (assault weapons).
Baxter
Mar 6, 2013, 10:25:38 AM3/6/13
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police are far too militarized - this is not supposed to be a Police State
but it is looking more and more like one.
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>> ==============
>> Why do the police need an assault rifle? Why do they need to shoot
>> down airplanes and destroy trains? Why do they need a weapon whose
>> only purpose is to kill as many people as possible in the shortest
>> amount of time? Why can't they store them securely?
>> ==============
>>
>ROTFL!
>
>That's the way, Klaus: give `em back the same line of crap they use
>against the pro-gun people who want those "scary-looking black
>guns" (assault weapons).
I favor the British model - the police don't normally carry guns. The US
>> Why do the police need an assault rifle? Why do they need to shoot
>> down airplanes and destroy trains? Why do they need a weapon whose
>> only purpose is to kill as many people as possible in the shortest
>> amount of time? Why can't they store them securely?
>> ==============
>>
>ROTFL!
>
>That's the way, Klaus: give `em back the same line of crap they use
>against the pro-gun people who want those "scary-looking black
>guns" (assault weapons).
police are far too militarized - this is not supposed to be a Police State
but it is looking more and more like one.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Mar 6, 2013, 10:30:12 AM3/6/13
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>"Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>"JohnJohnsn" <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>On Mar 5, 8:07 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>>>
>>> ==============
>>> Why do the police need an assault rifle? Why do they need to shoot
>>> down airplanes and destroy trains? Why do they need a weapon whose
>>> only purpose is to kill as many people as possible in the shortest
>>> amount of time? Why can't they store them securely?
>>> ==============
>>>
>>ROTFL!
>>
>>That's the way, Klaus: give `em back the same line of crap they use
>>against the pro-gun people who want those "scary-looking black
>>guns" (assault weapons).
>
>I favor the British model - the police don't normally carry guns. The US
>police are far too militarized - this is not supposed to be a Police State
>but it is looking more and more like one.
A "police state" has nothing to do with weapons. Unless the people are
disarmed.
>"JohnJohnsn" <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>On Mar 5, 8:07 am, Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>>>
>>> ==============
>>> Why do the police need an assault rifle? Why do they need to shoot
>>> down airplanes and destroy trains? Why do they need a weapon whose
>>> only purpose is to kill as many people as possible in the shortest
>>> amount of time? Why can't they store them securely?
>>> ==============
>>>
>>ROTFL!
>>
>>That's the way, Klaus: give `em back the same line of crap they use
>>against the pro-gun people who want those "scary-looking black
>>guns" (assault weapons).
>
>I favor the British model - the police don't normally carry guns. The US
>police are far too militarized - this is not supposed to be a Police State
>but it is looking more and more like one.
disarmed.
Moses
Mar 6, 2013, 10:54:51 AM3/6/13
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On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 07:25:38 -0800, "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com>
wrote:
> I favor the British model - the police don't normally carry guns. The US
> police are far too militarized - this is not supposed to be a Police State
> but it is looking more and more like one.
>
If the police weren't able to be armed in America there would be no police
force.
wrote:
> I favor the British model - the police don't normally carry guns. The US
> police are far too militarized - this is not supposed to be a Police State
> but it is looking more and more like one.
>
force.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Mar 6, 2013, 11:03:07 AM3/6/13
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>Moses <Moses.of.t...@gmail.com-DESPAM> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
And Baxter is lying. UK police *do* normally carry guns. Just not all
of them.
And....
In 2010, following the serious injury of an unarmed officer in a knife
attack, the chairman of the Police Memorial Trust, Michael Winner
stated that he had put up memorials to 44 officers and that he
believed, "It is almost certain that at least 38 of those [Police
Officers] would be alive had they been armed".
"Ealing police knife attacks suspect questioned". BBC. 16 December
2010.
of them.
And....
In 2010, following the serious injury of an unarmed officer in a knife
attack, the chairman of the Police Memorial Trust, Michael Winner
stated that he had put up memorials to 44 officers and that he
believed, "It is almost certain that at least 38 of those [Police
Officers] would be alive had they been armed".
"Ealing police knife attacks suspect questioned". BBC. 16 December
2010.
Baxter
Mar 6, 2013, 11:48:32 AM3/6/13
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> >Moses <Moses.of.t...@gmail.com-DESPAM> wrote in talk.politics.guns
> >:
>
>>On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 07:25:38 -0800, "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> I favor the British model - the police don't normally carry guns. The
>>> US
>>> police are far too militarized - this is not supposed to be a Police
>>> State
>>> but it is looking more and more like one.
>>>
>>
>>If the police weren't able to be armed in America there would be no police
>>force.
>
> And Baxter is lying. UK police *do* normally carry guns. Just not all
> of them.
>
Less than 6% of British cops carry guns
> >:
>
>>On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 07:25:38 -0800, "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> I favor the British model - the police don't normally carry guns. The
>>> US
>>> police are far too militarized - this is not supposed to be a Police
>>> State
>>> but it is looking more and more like one.
>>>
>>
>>If the police weren't able to be armed in America there would be no police
>>force.
>
> And Baxter is lying. UK police *do* normally carry guns. Just not all
> of them.
>
http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=874469
They don't want to be like America
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110507164248AAgpD37
--------
"During my service I worked in the drugs squad in Ashton-under-Lyne and
Oldham.
"In my experience, firearm incidents are very few and far between.
"We don't want to end up with a gun culture like America, or Eastern Europe.
"When you join as a police officer, the first thing you are taught is that
you are a civilian who has been given authority by the community to protect,
and serve, the public.
"In my view, carrying any sort of firearm would put a barrier between the
police and the community it is protecting."
http://www.lawofficer.com/article/news/british-police-reject-calls-ar
bigdog
Mar 6, 2013, 12:21:57 PM3/6/13
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Bert
Mar 6, 2013, 2:20:27 PM3/6/13
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In news:kh7s0e$r68$1...@speranza.aioe.org "Baxter"
They apparently really prefer to have their violent crime rate go
through the roof.
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They apparently really prefer to have their violent crime rate go
through the roof.
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Klaus Schadenfreude
Mar 6, 2013, 3:26:19 PM3/6/13
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>> >Moses <Moses.of.t...@gmail.com-DESPAM> wrote in talk.politics.guns
>> >:
>>
>>>On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 07:25:38 -0800, "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I favor the British model - the police don't normally carry guns. The
>>>> US
>>>> police are far too militarized - this is not supposed to be a Police
>>>> State
>>>> but it is looking more and more like one.
>>>>
>>>
>>>If the police weren't able to be armed in America there would be no police
>>>force.
>>
>> And Baxter is lying. UK police *do* normally carry guns. Just not all
>> of them.
>>
>Less than 6% of British cops carry guns
>http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=874469
Thanks for proving my point.
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>> >Moses <Moses.of.t...@gmail.com-DESPAM> wrote in talk.politics.guns
>> >:
>>
>>>On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 07:25:38 -0800, "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I favor the British model - the police don't normally carry guns. The
>>>> US
>>>> police are far too militarized - this is not supposed to be a Police
>>>> State
>>>> but it is looking more and more like one.
>>>>
>>>
>>>If the police weren't able to be armed in America there would be no police
>>>force.
>>
>> And Baxter is lying. UK police *do* normally carry guns. Just not all
>> of them.
>>
>Less than 6% of British cops carry guns
>http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=874469
>They don't want to be like America
Gray Guest
Mar 6, 2013, 3:34:58 PM3/6/13
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How do you feel about:
Drone plan reveals broader objective to kill Americans
The Obama administration's drone plan, which implements the use of predator
drones to target and kill suspected terrorists overseas, took an ominous
turn Tuesday when Attorney General Eric Holder stated that not only does
the administration plan to use drones to kill suspected American terrorists
on U.S. soil but that such a plan is entirely legal, even without due
process of law.
http://www.examiner.com/article/drone-plan-reveals-broader-objective-to-
kill-americans
These are the people YOU voted for. Your objections are hypocritical at
best.
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Libs suffer from Eleutherophobia. And there is no cure.
Obama called the SEALs and THEY got bin Laden. When the SEALs called Obama,
THEY GOT DENIED. Fuck Obama
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Drone plan reveals broader objective to kill Americans
The Obama administration's drone plan, which implements the use of predator
drones to target and kill suspected terrorists overseas, took an ominous
turn Tuesday when Attorney General Eric Holder stated that not only does
the administration plan to use drones to kill suspected American terrorists
on U.S. soil but that such a plan is entirely legal, even without due
process of law.
http://www.examiner.com/article/drone-plan-reveals-broader-objective-to-
kill-americans
These are the people YOU voted for. Your objections are hypocritical at
best.
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Refusenik #1
Libs suffer from Eleutherophobia. And there is no cure.
Obama called the SEALs and THEY got bin Laden. When the SEALs called Obama,
THEY GOT DENIED. Fuck Obama
Scout
Mar 6, 2013, 6:39:12 PM3/6/13
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> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> >Moses <Moses.of.t...@gmail.com-DESPAM> wrote in
>> >talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 07:25:38 -0800, "Baxter"
>>><baxter.s...@baxcode.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I favor the British model - the police don't normally carry guns. The
>>>> US
>>>> police are far too militarized - this is not supposed to be a Police
>>>> State
>>>> but it is looking more and more like one.
>>>>
>>>
>>>If the police weren't able to be armed in America there would be no
>>>police
>>>force.
>>
>> And Baxter is lying. UK police *do* normally carry guns. Just not all
>> of them.
>>
> Less than 6% of British cops carry guns
> http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=874469
IOW, you agree that what Klaus said is correct.
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> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> >Moses <Moses.of.t...@gmail.com-DESPAM> wrote in
>> >talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 07:25:38 -0800, "Baxter"
>>><baxter.s...@baxcode.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I favor the British model - the police don't normally carry guns. The
>>>> US
>>>> police are far too militarized - this is not supposed to be a Police
>>>> State
>>>> but it is looking more and more like one.
>>>>
>>>
>>>If the police weren't able to be armed in America there would be no
>>>police
>>>force.
>>
>> And Baxter is lying. UK police *do* normally carry guns. Just not all
>> of them.
>>
> Less than 6% of British cops carry guns
> http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=874469
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>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>> news:b0qej8pknpagcj4tc...@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> And Baxter is lying. UK police *do* normally carry guns. Just not all
>>> of them.
>>>
>> Less than 6% of British cops carry guns
>> http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=874469
>
>
> IOW, you agree that what Klaus said is correct.
>
Nope. "UK police *do* normally carry guns" is not the same as "less than 6%
>>> of them.
>>>
>> Less than 6% of British cops carry guns
>> http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=874469
>
>
> IOW, you agree that what Klaus said is correct.
>
of British cops carry guns". Klaus would have to change his statement in
order to be correct. His statement is on the order of claiming that
rightards are rapists.
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since he said only some carry normally.
All you've done is confirm he was right and quantify the percentage that
normally carry.
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>> "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:b0qej8pknpagcj4tc...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> And Baxter is lying. UK police *do* normally carry guns. Just not all
>>>> of them.
>>>>
>>> Less than 6% of British cops carry guns
>>> http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=874469
>>
>>
>> IOW, you agree that what Klaus said is correct.
>>
> Nope. "UK police *do* normally carry guns" is not the same as "less than
> 6% of British cops carry guns".
Well, less that 6% of them do normally carry guns, which is what Klaus said
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>> "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> And Baxter is lying. UK police *do* normally carry guns. Just not all
>>>> of them.
>>>>
>>> Less than 6% of British cops carry guns
>>> http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=874469
>>
>>
>> IOW, you agree that what Klaus said is correct.
>>
> Nope. "UK police *do* normally carry guns" is not the same as "less than
> 6% of British cops carry guns".
since he said only some carry normally.
All you've done is confirm he was right and quantify the percentage that
normally carry.
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>> "Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
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>>> "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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>>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>> And Baxter is lying. UK police *do* normally carry guns. Just not all
>>>>> of them.
>>>>>
>>>> Less than 6% of British cops carry guns
>>>> http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=874469
>>>
>>>
>>> IOW, you agree that what Klaus said is correct.
>>>
>> Nope. "UK police *do* normally carry guns" is not the same as "less than
>> 6% of British cops carry guns".
>
> Well, less that 6% of them do normally carry guns, which is what Klaus
> said since he said only some carry normally.
Nope. He never used the word "some" - see above
>> news:kh8k0j$tpi$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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>>>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:b0qej8pknpagcj4tc...@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> And Baxter is lying. UK police *do* normally carry guns. Just not all
>>>>> of them.
>>>>>
>>>> Less than 6% of British cops carry guns
>>>> http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=874469
>>>
>>>
>>> IOW, you agree that what Klaus said is correct.
>>>
>> Nope. "UK police *do* normally carry guns" is not the same as "less than
>> 6% of British cops carry guns".
>
> Well, less that 6% of them do normally carry guns, which is what Klaus
> said since he said only some carry normally.
>
> All you've done is confirm he was right and quantify the percentage that
> normally carry.
>
You're drunk.
> All you've done is confirm he was right and quantify the percentage that
> normally carry.
>
Oglethorpe
Mar 6, 2013, 10:42:17 PM3/6/13
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More and more UK police carry guns because more and more UK crooks are
carrying them.
carrying them.
bigdog
Mar 6, 2013, 10:15:21 PM3/6/13
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I didn't say he used the word "some".
That's YOUR straw man.
And let's see what he did say that you snipped out.
" And Baxter is lying. UK police *do* normally carry guns. Just not all of
them."
Hmmm.
So is <6% something like "not all of them"?
I think it is, and so you confirmed he was right and all you've done is
quantify the percentage the DO normally carry.
>> All you've done is confirm he was right and quantify the percentage that
>> normally carry.
>>
> You're drunk.
No, you're stupid.
That's YOUR straw man.
And let's see what he did say that you snipped out.
" And Baxter is lying. UK police *do* normally carry guns. Just not all of
them."
So is <6% something like "not all of them"?
I think it is, and so you confirmed he was right and all you've done is
quantify the percentage the DO normally carry.
>> All you've done is confirm he was right and quantify the percentage that
>> normally carry.
>>
> You're drunk.
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"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
> "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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>>> Well, less that 6% of them do normally carry guns, which is what Klaus
>>> said since he said only some carry normally.
>>
>> Nope. He never used the word "some" - see above
>
> I didn't say he used the word "some".
>
Yes, you did - see above.
>>> said since he said only some carry normally.
>>
>> Nope. He never used the word "some" - see above
>
> I didn't say he used the word "some".
>
All you're doing now is showing what complete idiots you and Klaus are.
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I said he had said only some carry...which is what he said. I didn't fucking
QUOTE the man.
Sheese, were you born this stupid, or did you have to take lessons?
QUOTE the man.
Sheese, were you born this stupid, or did you have to take lessons?
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Sure, and you're so smart....NOT
Klaus Schadenfreude
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Tell me Baxter, do you know the difference between quote and paraphrase?
When you do then you will understand why all you're showing is your
stupidity.
Or are you?
Maybe instead this is a lame attempt to divert attention away from the fact
that you PROVED Klaus right, and that was the exact opposite of what you
were trying to do.
When you do then you will understand why all you're showing is your
stupidity.
Or are you?
Maybe instead this is a lame attempt to divert attention away from the fact
that you PROVED Klaus right, and that was the exact opposite of what you
were trying to do.
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>>>>>
>>>>> Well, less that 6% of them do normally carry guns, which is what Klaus
>>>>> said since he said only some carry normally.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. He never used the word "some" - see above
>>>
>>> I didn't say he used the word "some".
>>>
>> Yes, you did - see above.
>>
>> All you're doing now is showing what complete idiots you and Klaus are.
>
> Tell me Baxter, do you know the difference between quote and paraphrase?
Do you know the difference between the General and the Specific?
>> news:kh968t$8l2$1...@dont-email.me...
>>> "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>> news:kh8r0l$oto$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, less that 6% of them do normally carry guns, which is what Klaus
>>>>> said since he said only some carry normally.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. He never used the word "some" - see above
>>>
>>> I didn't say he used the word "some".
>>>
>> Yes, you did - see above.
>>
>> All you're doing now is showing what complete idiots you and Klaus are.
>
> Tell me Baxter, do you know the difference between quote and paraphrase?
>
> When you do then you will understand why all you're showing is your
> stupidity.
>
> Or are you?
>
> Maybe instead this is a lame attempt to divert attention away from the
> fact that you PROVED Klaus right, and that was the exact opposite of what
> you were trying to do.
Klaus was wrong. The general statement "UK police *do* normally carry guns"
> When you do then you will understand why all you're showing is your
> stupidity.
>
> Or are you?
>
> Maybe instead this is a lame attempt to divert attention away from the
> fact that you PROVED Klaus right, and that was the exact opposite of what
> you were trying to do.
is flat out wrong. The pathetic attempt at a qualifier ("Just not all of
them.") is actually a lie by mislead.
Perhaps you need to go back to school and learn English.
Scout
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>> When you do then you will understand why all you're showing is your
>> stupidity.
>>
>> Or are you?
>>
>> Maybe instead this is a lame attempt to divert attention away from the
>> fact that you PROVED Klaus right, and that was the exact opposite of what
>> you were trying to do.
> Klaus was wrong. The general statement "UK police *do* normally carry
> guns" is flat out wrong. The pathetic attempt at a qualifier ("Just not
> all of them.") is actually a lie by mislead.
>
> Perhaps you need to go back to school and learn English.
Another attempt to change the subject.
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, less that 6% of them do normally carry guns, which is what
>>>>>> Klaus said since he said only some carry normally.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. He never used the word "some" - see above
>>>>
>>>> I didn't say he used the word "some".
>>>>
>>> Yes, you did - see above.
>>>
>>> All you're doing now is showing what complete idiots you and Klaus are.
>>
>> Tell me Baxter, do you know the difference between quote and paraphrase?
>
> Do you know the difference between the General and the Specific?
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, less that 6% of them do normally carry guns, which is what
>>>>>> Klaus said since he said only some carry normally.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. He never used the word "some" - see above
>>>>
>>>> I didn't say he used the word "some".
>>>>
>>> Yes, you did - see above.
>>>
>>> All you're doing now is showing what complete idiots you and Klaus are.
>>
>> Tell me Baxter, do you know the difference between quote and paraphrase?
>
> Do you know the difference between the General and the Specific?
>> When you do then you will understand why all you're showing is your
>> stupidity.
>>
>> Or are you?
>>
>> Maybe instead this is a lame attempt to divert attention away from the
>> fact that you PROVED Klaus right, and that was the exact opposite of what
>> you were trying to do.
> Klaus was wrong. The general statement "UK police *do* normally carry
> guns" is flat out wrong. The pathetic attempt at a qualifier ("Just not
> all of them.") is actually a lie by mislead.
>
> Perhaps you need to go back to school and learn English.
JohnJohnsn
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your particular reply.
Klaus stated "UK police," and your original response was "I favor the
British model - the police don't normally carry guns" and "Less than
6% of British cops carry guns."
Your "goal post shift" was from Klaus's "UK" (which includes England,
Wales, Scotland and Ireland) to "British" (which is generally accepted
to be England; as in "British Army," etc.).
Meanwhile, you "conveniently" ignore that "the Police Service of
Northern Ireland (formerly the Royal Ulster Constabulary), Northern
Ireland Security Guard Service, Ministry of Defence Police, Civil
Nuclear Constabulary and the Diplomatic Protection Group are issued
firearms as a matter of routine."
--Police use of firearms in the United Kingdom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom
Your "facts" even ignores "the Force Firearms Units, Armed Response
Vehicles, and certain specialist units of the Metropolitan Police."
--Ibid.
Moreover: "There were 6,868 authorised firearms officers [AFOs] in
England and Wales as of 31 March 2009, according to government
figures*."
-http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10260298 (8 June 2010)
And JFYI; one reason there are so few AROs is that the Home Secretary
basically doesn't trust his "Peelers" with guns!
---
*"The number of authorised firearms officers (AFO's) was 6,868-an
increase of 88 (1.3 per cent.) officers overall on the previous year."
-http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmhansrd/cm100305/
wmstext/100305m0001.htm#10030527001299
Wonder what the numbers is today?
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>>>>>> Well, less that 6% of them do normally carry guns, which
>>>>>> is what Klaus said since he said only some carry normally.
>
>>>>> Nope. He never used the word "some" - see above
>
>>>> I didn't say he used the word "some".
>
>>> Yes, you did - see above.
>
>>> All you're doing now is showing what complete idiots you and Klaus are.
>
>> Tell me Baxter, do you know the difference between quote and paraphrase?
>
> Do you know the difference between the General and the Specific?
>
Do you know what a "goal post shift" means, Baxter?
>
>>>>>> Well, less that 6% of them do normally carry guns, which
>>>>>> is what Klaus said since he said only some carry normally.
>
>>>>> Nope. He never used the word "some" - see above
>
>>>> I didn't say he used the word "some".
>
>>> Yes, you did - see above.
>
>>> All you're doing now is showing what complete idiots you and Klaus are.
>
>> Tell me Baxter, do you know the difference between quote and paraphrase?
>
> Do you know the difference between the General and the Specific?
>
>
>> When you do then you will understand why all you're showing is your
>> stupidity.
>
>> Or are you?
>
>> Maybe instead this is a lame attempt to divert attention away from the
>> fact that you PROVED Klaus right, and that was the exact opposite of
>> what you were trying to do.
>
> Klaus was wrong. The general statement "UK police *do* normally carry
> guns" is flat out wrong. The pathetic attempt at a qualifier ("Just not all
> of them.") is actually a lie by mislead.
>
> Perhaps you need to go back to school and learn English.
>
What I noticed is the way you "move the goal posts" around to suit
>> When you do then you will understand why all you're showing is your
>> stupidity.
>
>> Or are you?
>
>> Maybe instead this is a lame attempt to divert attention away from the
>> fact that you PROVED Klaus right, and that was the exact opposite of
>> what you were trying to do.
>
> Klaus was wrong. The general statement "UK police *do* normally carry
> guns" is flat out wrong. The pathetic attempt at a qualifier ("Just not all
> of them.") is actually a lie by mislead.
>
> Perhaps you need to go back to school and learn English.
>
your particular reply.
Klaus stated "UK police," and your original response was "I favor the
British model - the police don't normally carry guns" and "Less than
6% of British cops carry guns."
Your "goal post shift" was from Klaus's "UK" (which includes England,
Wales, Scotland and Ireland) to "British" (which is generally accepted
to be England; as in "British Army," etc.).
Meanwhile, you "conveniently" ignore that "the Police Service of
Northern Ireland (formerly the Royal Ulster Constabulary), Northern
Ireland Security Guard Service, Ministry of Defence Police, Civil
Nuclear Constabulary and the Diplomatic Protection Group are issued
firearms as a matter of routine."
--Police use of firearms in the United Kingdom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom
Your "facts" even ignores "the Force Firearms Units, Armed Response
Vehicles, and certain specialist units of the Metropolitan Police."
--Ibid.
Moreover: "There were 6,868 authorised firearms officers [AFOs] in
England and Wales as of 31 March 2009, according to government
figures*."
-http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10260298 (8 June 2010)
And JFYI; one reason there are so few AROs is that the Home Secretary
basically doesn't trust his "Peelers" with guns!
---
*"The number of authorised firearms officers (AFO's) was 6,868-an
increase of 88 (1.3 per cent.) officers overall on the previous year."
-http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmhansrd/cm100305/
wmstext/100305m0001.htm#10030527001299
Wonder what the numbers is today?
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"JohnJohnsn" <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 7, 5:34 pm, "Baxter the Useless Usenet SPAM'er"
<bax...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
>> Klaus was wrong. The general statement "UK police *do* normally carry
>> guns" is flat out wrong. The pathetic attempt at a qualifier ("Just not
>> all
>> of them.") is actually a lie by mislead.
>>
>> Perhaps you need to go back to school and learn English.
>>
>What I noticed is the way you "move the goal posts" around to suit
>your particular reply.
>
>Klaus stated "UK police," and your original response was "I favor the
>British model - the police don't normally carry guns" and "Less than
>6% of British cops carry guns."
>
>Your "goal post shift" was from Klaus's "UK" (which includes England,
>Wales, Scotland and Ireland) to "British" (which is generally accepted
>to be England; as in "British Army," etc.).
>
>Meanwhile, you "conveniently" ignore ...
<bax...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>>
>> Klaus was wrong. The general statement "UK police *do* normally carry
>> guns" is flat out wrong. The pathetic attempt at a qualifier ("Just not
>> all
>> of them.") is actually a lie by mislead.
>>
>> Perhaps you need to go back to school and learn English.
>>
>What I noticed is the way you "move the goal posts" around to suit
>your particular reply.
>
>Klaus stated "UK police," and your original response was "I favor the
>British model - the police don't normally carry guns" and "Less than
>6% of British cops carry guns."
>
>Your "goal post shift" was from Klaus's "UK" (which includes England,
>Wales, Scotland and Ireland) to "British" (which is generally accepted
>to be England; as in "British Army," etc.).
>
>
>Your "facts" even ignores "the Force Firearms Units, Armed Response
>Vehicles, and certain specialist units of the Metropolitan Police."
<snip>
>Your "facts" even ignores "the Force Firearms Units, Armed Response
>Vehicles, and certain specialist units of the Metropolitan Police."
Nope. I do not ignore them. You cannot truthfully ascribe to a group a
characteristic that only a minority of that possess. Shall we say that
conservatives are criminally insane? Shall we say that conservatives are
losers living in their parents basements?
Scout
Mar 7, 2013, 8:47:42 PM3/7/13
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Couldn't tell it by your posts.
> You cannot truthfully ascribe to a group a characteristic that only a
> minority of that possess.
Sure you can as long as you indicate it doesn't apply to the entire group,
and I believe Klaus did that, just as you did when you proved him right.
> Shall we say that conservatives are criminally insane?
Shall we say you're a bigot and an ass?
> Shall we say that conservatives are losers living in their parents
> basements?
Shall we say you're telling us about your life style?
Seems when you don't want to talk about something, you either ignore it, lie
about it and/or try to change the subject.
> You cannot truthfully ascribe to a group a characteristic that only a
> minority of that possess.
and I believe Klaus did that, just as you did when you proved him right.
> Shall we say that conservatives are criminally insane?
> Shall we say that conservatives are losers living in their parents
> basements?
Seems when you don't want to talk about something, you either ignore it, lie
about it and/or try to change the subject.
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>>
>> Nope. I do not ignore them.
>
> Couldn't tell it by your posts.
>
>> You cannot truthfully ascribe to a group a characteristic that only a
>> minority of that possess.
>
> Sure you can as long as you indicate it doesn't apply to the entire group,
> and I believe Klaus did that, just as you did when you proved him right.
>
>> Shall we say that conservatives are criminally insane?
>
> Shall we say you're a bigot and an ass?
>
>> Shall we say that conservatives are losers living in their parents
>> basements?
>
> Shall we say you're telling us about your life style?
>
> Seems when you don't want to talk about something, you either ignore it,
> lie about it and/or try to change the subject.
>
Shall we say you're expressing sour grapes over your loss?
>
> Couldn't tell it by your posts.
>
>> You cannot truthfully ascribe to a group a characteristic that only a
>> minority of that possess.
>
> Sure you can as long as you indicate it doesn't apply to the entire group,
> and I believe Klaus did that, just as you did when you proved him right.
>
>> Shall we say that conservatives are criminally insane?
>
> Shall we say you're a bigot and an ass?
>
>> Shall we say that conservatives are losers living in their parents
>> basements?
>
> Shall we say you're telling us about your life style?
>
> Seems when you don't want to talk about something, you either ignore it,
> lie about it and/or try to change the subject.
>
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Only if you think coming in first is a loss.
But then since you're always ass backwards, you probably think coming in
last in a win.
But then since you're always ass backwards, you probably think coming in
last in a win.
JohnJohnsn
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>>>Moses <Moses.of.the.bibl...@gmail.com-DESPAM> wrote in talk.politics.guns
>>>:
>
>>>On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 07:25:38 -0800, "Baxter" <baxter.spambl...@baxcode.com>
Citation: Jennifer Brown, Stephen Sargent, (1995) "Policewomen and
firearms in the British police service", Police Studies: Intnl Review
of Police Development, Vol. 18 Iss: 2, pp.1 - 16
If you are as "mathematically challenged" as you are "truth
challenged," that data is seventeen years old now.
You have anything more recent to back up your assertion?
I also noticed that you _conveniently_ "snipped" and ignored this:
"And JFYI; one reason there are so few AFOs is that the Home Secretary
basically doesn't trust his (actually `her') "Peelers" with guns!"
Care to comment on that here and now, Baxter?
FYI:
"Officers who wish to become Firearms Officers have to undergo a
rigorous selection procedure. During this they will have to
demonstrate their knowledge of the law, their appropriate and
proportional use of force, their communication skills and their basic
common sense."
-http://www.pfoa.co.uk/201/why-we-have-armed-policev2
Does this mean that "ordinary" Peelers (to-wit: non-AFOs) DO NOT have
"knowledge of the law, their appropriate and proportional use of
force, their communication skills and their basic common sense"???
No WONDER Home Secretary Theresa May doesnt want her "Bobbies" having
guns!
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>>>Moses <Moses.of.the.bibl...@gmail.com-DESPAM> wrote in talk.politics.guns
>>>:
>
>>>On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 07:25:38 -0800, "Baxter" <baxter.spambl...@baxcode.com>
>>>wrote:
>
>>>> I favor the British model - the police don't normally carry guns. The
>>>> US police are far too militarized - this is not supposed to be a Police
>>>> Statebut it is looking more and more like one.
>
>>>> I favor the British model - the police don't normally carry guns. The
>>>> US police are far too militarized - this is not supposed to be a Police
>
>>> If the police weren't able to be armed in America there would be no police
>>> force.
>
>> And Baxter is lying. UK police *do* normally carry guns. Just not all
>> of them.
>
> Less than 6% of British cops carry guns
> http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=874469
>
Uh, Baxter: did you even _read_ your "source"?
>>> If the police weren't able to be armed in America there would be no police
>>> force.
>
>> And Baxter is lying. UK police *do* normally carry guns. Just not all
>> of them.
>
> Less than 6% of British cops carry guns
> http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=874469
>
Citation: Jennifer Brown, Stephen Sargent, (1995) "Policewomen and
firearms in the British police service", Police Studies: Intnl Review
of Police Development, Vol. 18 Iss: 2, pp.1 - 16
If you are as "mathematically challenged" as you are "truth
challenged," that data is seventeen years old now.
You have anything more recent to back up your assertion?
I also noticed that you _conveniently_ "snipped" and ignored this:
"And JFYI; one reason there are so few AFOs is that the Home Secretary
basically doesn't trust his (actually `her') "Peelers" with guns!"
Care to comment on that here and now, Baxter?
FYI:
"Officers who wish to become Firearms Officers have to undergo a
rigorous selection procedure. During this they will have to
demonstrate their knowledge of the law, their appropriate and
proportional use of force, their communication skills and their basic
common sense."
-http://www.pfoa.co.uk/201/why-we-have-armed-policev2
Does this mean that "ordinary" Peelers (to-wit: non-AFOs) DO NOT have
"knowledge of the law, their appropriate and proportional use of
force, their communication skills and their basic common sense"???
No WONDER Home Secretary Theresa May doesnt want her "Bobbies" having
guns!
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"JohnJohnsn" <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>If you are as "mathematically challenged" as you are "truth
>challenged," that data is seventeen years old now.
>
>You have anything more recent to back up your assertion?
As of 2009, there were 6,868 officers authorized to carry weapons in England
and Wales. Within London's Metropolitan Police, out of a force of 33,000,
around 2,700 officers were authorized to carry guns, though, unlike American
cops, the vast majority of those aren't armed on a regular basis.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/10/when_are_british_cops_allowed_to_carry_guns
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Let's see: 2700 authorized out of 33,000 is about 8% - still in single
digits.
See also:
http://www.politics.co.uk/reference/police-arms-and-weaponry
Doesn't look like things have changed all that much.
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>>If you are as "mathematically challenged" as you are "truth
>>challenged," that data is seventeen years old now.
>>
>>You have anything more recent to back up your assertion?
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> As of 2009, there were 6,868 officers authorized to carry weapons in
> England and Wales. Within London's Metropolitan Police, out of a force of
> 33,000, around 2,700 officers were authorized to carry guns, though,
> unlike American cops, the vast majority of those aren't armed on a regular
> basis.
>
> http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/10/when_are_british_cops_allowed_to_carry_guns
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>
> Let's see: 2700 authorized out of 33,000 is about 8% - still in single
> digits.
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>>If you are as "mathematically challenged" as you are "truth
>>challenged," that data is seventeen years old now.
>>
>>You have anything more recent to back up your assertion?
> --------------
> As of 2009, there were 6,868 officers authorized to carry weapons in
> England and Wales. Within London's Metropolitan Police, out of a force of
> 33,000, around 2,700 officers were authorized to carry guns, though,
> unlike American cops, the vast majority of those aren't armed on a regular
> basis.
>
> http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/10/when_are_british_cops_allowed_to_carry_guns
> ---------------
>
> Let's see: 2700 authorized out of 33,000 is about 8% - still in single
> digits.
them do so. Just as Klaus stated.
Looks like you're still desperately proving he was right all along.
Bill Shatzer
Mar 7, 2013, 11:41:34 PM3/7/13
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Scout wrote:
> "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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> "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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>> "JohnJohnsn" <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:d46dbaa1-c261-4d19...@k4g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>> If you are as "mathematically challenged" as you are "truth
>>> challenged," that data is seventeen years old now.
>>> You have anything more recent to back up your assertion?
>> --------------
>> As of 2009, there were 6,868 officers authorized to carry weapons in
>> England and Wales. Within London's Metropolitan Police, out of a force
>> of 33,000, around 2,700 officers were authorized to carry guns,
>> though, unlike American cops, the vast majority of those aren't armed
>> on a regular basis.
>>
>> http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/10/when_are_british_cops_allowed_to_carry_guns
>> news:d46dbaa1-c261-4d19...@k4g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>> If you are as "mathematically challenged" as you are "truth
>>> challenged," that data is seventeen years old now.
>>> You have anything more recent to back up your assertion?
>> --------------
>> As of 2009, there were 6,868 officers authorized to carry weapons in
>> England and Wales. Within London's Metropolitan Police, out of a force
>> of 33,000, around 2,700 officers were authorized to carry guns,
>> though, unlike American cops, the vast majority of those aren't armed
>> on a regular basis.
>>
>> http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/10/when_are_british_cops_allowed_to_carry_guns
>> Let's see: 2700 authorized out of 33,000 is about 8% - still in
>> single digits.
> So, you admit that British cops do regularly carry guns, just not all of
> them do so. Just as Klaus stated.
"Authorized to carry" is not the same as "regularly carry".
>> single digits.
> So, you admit that British cops do regularly carry guns, just not all of
> them do so. Just as Klaus stated.
In fact those "authorized" only do so on occassion.
> Looks like you're still desperately proving he was right all along.
definition means all, almost all, or most of the time, Klaus is wrong.
/peace and justice/
Scout
Mar 8, 2013, 12:47:17 AM3/8/13
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> Scout wrote:
>
>> "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>> news:khbogj$mn1$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
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>>> "JohnJohnsn" <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:d46dbaa1-c261-4d19...@k4g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>
>>>> If you are as "mathematically challenged" as you are "truth
>>>> challenged," that data is seventeen years old now.
>
>>>> You have anything more recent to back up your assertion?
>
>>> --------------
>>> As of 2009, there were 6,868 officers authorized to carry weapons in
>>> England and Wales. Within London's Metropolitan Police, out of a force
>>> of 33,000, around 2,700 officers were authorized to carry guns, though,
>>> unlike American cops, the vast majority of those aren't armed on a
>>> regular basis.
>>>
>>> http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/10/when_are_british_cops_allowed_to_carry_guns
>
>>> Let's see: 2700 authorized out of 33,000 is about 8% - still in single
>>> digits.
>
>> So, you admit that British cops do regularly carry guns, just not all of
>> them do so. Just as Klaus stated.
>
> "Authorized to carry" is not the same as "regularly carry".
So, you're telling me that when the non-authorized officers call on them to
>
>> "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>> news:khbogj$mn1$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>
>>> "JohnJohnsn" <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:d46dbaa1-c261-4d19...@k4g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>
>>>> If you are as "mathematically challenged" as you are "truth
>>>> challenged," that data is seventeen years old now.
>
>>>> You have anything more recent to back up your assertion?
>
>>> --------------
>>> As of 2009, there were 6,868 officers authorized to carry weapons in
>>> England and Wales. Within London's Metropolitan Police, out of a force
>>> of 33,000, around 2,700 officers were authorized to carry guns, though,
>>> unlike American cops, the vast majority of those aren't armed on a
>>> regular basis.
>>>
>>> http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/10/when_are_british_cops_allowed_to_carry_guns
>
>>> Let's see: 2700 authorized out of 33,000 is about 8% - still in single
>>> digits.
>
>> So, you admit that British cops do regularly carry guns, just not all of
>> them do so. Just as Klaus stated.
>
> "Authorized to carry" is not the same as "regularly carry".
respond armed because they need that firepower those officers are going to
go all the way back to the station to get their guns just to turn around and
drive back out to their patrol districts so they can respond to the officer
in need?
Seriously?
Wow, every time I think you're gotten as stupid as you can get, you show
your stupidity is greater yet.
> In fact those "authorized" only do so on occassion.
>> Looks like you're still desperately proving he was right all along.
>
> Sorta depends on what your definition of "regularly" is. If your
> definition means all, almost all, or most of the time, Klaus is wrong.
proving it and that Klaus is and was always right in what he said.
Just as you have up to this point.
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> So, you admit that British cops do regularly carry guns, just not all of
> them do so. Just as Klaus stated.
>
So you admit that conservatives are morons, just not all of them? You admit
> them do so. Just as Klaus stated.
>
that conservatives are rapists, just not all of them?
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"Bill Shatzer" <ww...@NOcornell.edu> wrote in message
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> Scout wrote:
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>> "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
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>>>
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>> "Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>> news:khbogj$mn1$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>>>
>>> http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/10/when_are_british_cops_allowed_to_carry_guns
>
>>> Let's see: 2700 authorized out of 33,000 is about 8% - still in single
>>> digits.
>
>> So, you admit that British cops do regularly carry guns, just not all of
>> them do so. Just as Klaus stated.
>
> "Authorized to carry" is not the same as "regularly carry".
>
> In fact those "authorized" only do so on occassion.
>
>> Looks like you're still desperately proving he was right all along.
>
> Sorta depends on what your definition of "regularly" is. If your
> definition means all, almost all, or most of the time, Klaus is wrong.
>
Scout/Klaus/Johnson/etc are simply playing a childish game - trying to
>
>>> Let's see: 2700 authorized out of 33,000 is about 8% - still in single
>>> digits.
>
>> So, you admit that British cops do regularly carry guns, just not all of
>> them do so. Just as Klaus stated.
>
> "Authorized to carry" is not the same as "regularly carry".
>
> In fact those "authorized" only do so on occassion.
>
>> Looks like you're still desperately proving he was right all along.
>
> Sorta depends on what your definition of "regularly" is. If your
> definition means all, almost all, or most of the time, Klaus is wrong.
>
ascribe characteristics of a tiny minority to the whole group. Kind of like
saying Republicans are pedophiles, and Democrats are geniuses.
JohnJohnsn
Mar 8, 2013, 2:46:15 AM3/8/13
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claim that "less than 6%" of the Peelers are armed to his newest claim
"about 8% -- still in single digits" is insignificant.
“All warfare is based on deception.”
— Sun Tzu, `The Art of War', 6th century B.C.
However, he chooses to ignore the double-digit fact: that is a TWENTY-
FIVE PERCENT INCREASE in Authorized Firearms Officers in London ALONE!
“Statistics: The only science that enables different experts using the
same figures to draw different conclusions.”
--Evan Esar (1899 - 1995)
And like Mark Twain said: "He [Baxter] uses statistics like a drunk
uses a lamppost: for support, rather than for illumination."
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>>>If you are as "mathematically challenged" as you are "truth
>>>challenged," that data is seventeen years old now.
>
>>>You have anything more recent to back up your assertion?
>> --------------
>> As of 2009, there were 6,868 officers authorized to carry weapons in
>> England and Wales. Within London's Metropolitan Police, out of a force of
>> 33,000, around 2,700 officers were authorized to carry guns, though,
>> unlike American cops, the vast majority of those aren't armed on a regular
>> basis.
>
>>http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/08/10/when_are_british_cop...
>
>>>If you are as "mathematically challenged" as you are "truth
>>>challenged," that data is seventeen years old now.
>
>>>You have anything more recent to back up your assertion?
>> --------------
>> As of 2009, there were 6,868 officers authorized to carry weapons in
>> England and Wales. Within London's Metropolitan Police, out of a force of
>> 33,000, around 2,700 officers were authorized to carry guns, though,
>> unlike American cops, the vast majority of those aren't armed on a regular
>> basis.
>
>> ---------------
>
>> Let's see: 2700 authorized out of 33,000 is about 8% - still in single
>> digits.
>
> So, you admit that British cops do regularly carry guns, just not all of
> them do so. Just as Klaus stated.
>
> Looks like you're still desperately proving he was right all along.
>
Baxter is now desperately trying to equate going from his original
>
>> Let's see: 2700 authorized out of 33,000 is about 8% - still in single
>> digits.
>
> So, you admit that British cops do regularly carry guns, just not all of
> them do so. Just as Klaus stated.
>
> Looks like you're still desperately proving he was right all along.
>
claim that "less than 6%" of the Peelers are armed to his newest claim
"about 8% -- still in single digits" is insignificant.
“All warfare is based on deception.”
— Sun Tzu, `The Art of War', 6th century B.C.
However, he chooses to ignore the double-digit fact: that is a TWENTY-
FIVE PERCENT INCREASE in Authorized Firearms Officers in London ALONE!
“Statistics: The only science that enables different experts using the
same figures to draw different conclusions.”
--Evan Esar (1899 - 1995)
And like Mark Twain said: "He [Baxter] uses statistics like a drunk
uses a lamppost: for support, rather than for illumination."
Baxter
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And, to be crude, having few guns does mean that few people get shot. In
2008-2009, there were 39 fatal injuries from crimes involving firearms in
England and Wales, with a population about one sixth the size of America�s.
In America, there were 12,000 gun-related homicides in 2008.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/lexington/2012/12/gun-control
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Because of gun control and cops that don't carry guns, the death toll,
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>
>Baxter is now desperately trying to equate going from his original
>claim that "less than 6%" of the Peelers are armed to his newest claim
>"about 8% -- still in single digits" is insignificant.
You're the one who's disparate. Meanwhile:
>Baxter is now desperately trying to equate going from his original
>claim that "less than 6%" of the Peelers are armed to his newest claim
>"about 8% -- still in single digits" is insignificant.
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And, to be crude, having few guns does mean that few people get shot. In
2008-2009, there were 39 fatal injuries from crimes involving firearms in
England and Wales, with a population about one sixth the size of America�s.
In America, there were 12,000 gun-related homicides in 2008.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/lexington/2012/12/gun-control
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Because of gun control and cops that don't carry guns, the death toll,
adjusted for population, from guns in Britain is 1% of the US.
Klaus Schadenfreude
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>Because of gun control and cops that don't carry guns, the death toll,
>adjusted for population, from guns in Britain is 1% of the US.
>
Prove that's because of gun control and because cops don't carry guns.
>Because of gun control and cops that don't carry guns, the death toll,
>adjusted for population, from guns in Britain is 1% of the US.
>
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Juan Alderete
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You said and admitted that many UK Police do carry, you retard.
He proved you wrong, you retard, again!
JohnJohnsn
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INCREASE of armed Peelers {AFOs) in Metro London ALONE.
Care to post the total increase in armed cops in the UK in the same
time period, Baxter?
>
Why did you leave Ireland out, Baxter? It's a part of the UK as well,
you know.
Does it screw up your propaganda numbers?
>
> ...with a population about one sixth the size of America’s.
Home Invasions: US vs. UK
In which country is it more dangerous to be in your home, the US or
Great Britain? If you said Great Britain, you're right... if you're
talking about home-invasion robberies.
Violent home invasions have become a serious problem in the UK, fueled
in part by laws against gun ownership and violence in self-defense.
British law holds that a person who kills an intruder in their home
can be charged with murder; a self-defense argument does exist, but
the threshold is very high.
In the US, by contrast, burglars who commit home invasion
statistically have just as great a chance of getting shot as they do
going to jail -- a significant deterrent even when homeowners don't
own guns. If you're a burglar intent on committing a home invasion,
you don't know if the homeowner has a gun and an itchy trigger
finger... and you probably don't want to find out the hard way.
As a result, a movement is afoot in Great Britain to strengthen
homeowners' rights to self-defense. Efforts to loosen restrictions on
gun ownership, however, may still be a ways off.
How Britain resolves this issue will be of interest to other parts of
the world, especially where crime rates are high. It should also be
watched in the US, where we agonize over the consequences of our
Second Amendment rights. Certainly, if Britain makes changes and home
invasions decline, gun-rights advocates in the US will be able to show
that gun ownership has benefits, even for those who choose not to own
a firearm.
http://futurewire.blogspot.com/2004/12/home-invasions-us-vs-uk.html
Here's a sign to place in your neighbor's front yard, Baxter:
http://tinyurl.com/My-neighbor-has-no-guns
Wonder whose house would be a "target" then? <chuckle> ;)
Meanwhile, here's my yard sign:
http://tinyurl.com/45-ACP-Security :)
To be honest though, I actually need one saying:
______________
/ Protected by\
| [ 5.56mm ] |
| [ NATO ] |
\ Security /
\--------------------/
:D
Google "DGU" and see how many involving "death" you find.
Moreover, you are placing too much confidence in the propaganda of
Piers Morgan:
Parsing Piers
January 14, 2013
[...]
"How many gun murders where there in Britain last year? ...It's
actually 35 -- against 11,000 [in the U.S.]"
A video of clip from that interview, as well as a good debunking of
Morgan's statistics by Reality Check, can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tRJ0ls_W9XM#!
[...]
"After a school massacre, the U.K. banned handguns in 1998. A decade
later, handgun crime had doubled."
Below is the total murder rate (not just "gun murders") in the UK for
the 14 years before and after the handgun ban. Do you see any
reduction in the rate associated with the ban? In fact, you see a
rapid rise in murders almost immediately following the ban. The
average for the 14 years prior to 1998 was 11.4 homicides per million;
the average for the 14 years since was 13.4 -- an 18% increase.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/assets/Homicide.bmp
Source: UK Home Office Statistical Bulletin, Homicides, Firearm
Offences and Intimate Violence 2010/11 (Table 1.01)
From 1993 to 2011, the UK homicide rate rose 3.6% and the U.S. murder
rate dropped 51%. In that time, the UK enacted a handgun ban.
Conversely, the U.S. expanded Concealed Carry. More guns, less crime?
[...]
Read the rest for yourself here, Baxter:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/01/parsing_piers.html
Wonder why this is true, Baxter:
"[T]he U.S. has 4 times more murders than the UK, but the UK has 5
times more violent crime than the U.S."
--Randall Hoven
Could it be because the criminal element in the UJ has nothing to fear
from its UNARMED and DEFENSELESS citizenry?
"Inquiring minds want to know."
---
“Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of
the Constitution by claiming it's not an individual right or that it's
too much of a public safety hazard don't see the danger in the big
picture. They're courting disaster by encouraging others to use the
same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don't like.”
--Alan Morton Dershowitz, Liberal lawyer, jurist, and political
commentator
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>> Baxter is now desperately trying to equate going from his original
>> claim that "less than 6%" of the Peelers are armed to his newest claim
>>"about 8% -- still in single digits" is insignificant.
>
We noticed you "snipped" that the above reveals a TWENTY-FIVE+ PERCENT
>
>> Baxter is now desperately trying to equate going from his original
>> claim that "less than 6%" of the Peelers are armed to his newest claim
>>"about 8% -- still in single digits" is insignificant.
>
INCREASE of armed Peelers {AFOs) in Metro London ALONE.
Care to post the total increase in armed cops in the UK in the same
time period, Baxter?
>
> You're the one who's disparate. Meanwhile:
> ---------
> And, to be crude, having few guns does mean that few people get shot
>. In 2008-2009, there were 39 fatal injuries from crimes involving firearms
> in England and Wales...
> You're the one who's disparate. Meanwhile:
> ---------
> And, to be crude, having few guns does mean that few people get shot
>. In 2008-2009, there were 39 fatal injuries from crimes involving firearms
>
Why did you leave Ireland out, Baxter? It's a part of the UK as well,
you know.
Does it screw up your propaganda numbers?
>
> ...with a population about one sixth the size of America’s.
> In America, there were 12,000 gun-related homicides in 2008.
>
> http://www.economist.com/blogs/lexington/2012/12/gun-control
>
"Deflection": not just a way to block a slap-shot in hockey.
>
> http://www.economist.com/blogs/lexington/2012/12/gun-control
>
Home Invasions: US vs. UK
In which country is it more dangerous to be in your home, the US or
Great Britain? If you said Great Britain, you're right... if you're
talking about home-invasion robberies.
Violent home invasions have become a serious problem in the UK, fueled
in part by laws against gun ownership and violence in self-defense.
British law holds that a person who kills an intruder in their home
can be charged with murder; a self-defense argument does exist, but
the threshold is very high.
In the US, by contrast, burglars who commit home invasion
statistically have just as great a chance of getting shot as they do
going to jail -- a significant deterrent even when homeowners don't
own guns. If you're a burglar intent on committing a home invasion,
you don't know if the homeowner has a gun and an itchy trigger
finger... and you probably don't want to find out the hard way.
As a result, a movement is afoot in Great Britain to strengthen
homeowners' rights to self-defense. Efforts to loosen restrictions on
gun ownership, however, may still be a ways off.
How Britain resolves this issue will be of interest to other parts of
the world, especially where crime rates are high. It should also be
watched in the US, where we agonize over the consequences of our
Second Amendment rights. Certainly, if Britain makes changes and home
invasions decline, gun-rights advocates in the US will be able to show
that gun ownership has benefits, even for those who choose not to own
a firearm.
http://futurewire.blogspot.com/2004/12/home-invasions-us-vs-uk.html
Here's a sign to place in your neighbor's front yard, Baxter:
http://tinyurl.com/My-neighbor-has-no-guns
Wonder whose house would be a "target" then? <chuckle> ;)
Meanwhile, here's my yard sign:
http://tinyurl.com/45-ACP-Security :)
To be honest though, I actually need one saying:
______________
/ Protected by\
| [ 5.56mm ] |
| [ NATO ] |
\ Security /
\--------------------/
:D
>
> ----------
> Because of gun control and cops that don't carry guns, the death
> toll, adjusted for population, from guns in Britain is 1% of the US.
>
"Death" isn't the only factor in self-defense, Baxter.
> ----------
> Because of gun control and cops that don't carry guns, the death
> toll, adjusted for population, from guns in Britain is 1% of the US.
>
Google "DGU" and see how many involving "death" you find.
Moreover, you are placing too much confidence in the propaganda of
Piers Morgan:
Parsing Piers
January 14, 2013
[...]
"How many gun murders where there in Britain last year? ...It's
actually 35 -- against 11,000 [in the U.S.]"
A video of clip from that interview, as well as a good debunking of
Morgan's statistics by Reality Check, can be found here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tRJ0ls_W9XM#!
[...]
"After a school massacre, the U.K. banned handguns in 1998. A decade
later, handgun crime had doubled."
Below is the total murder rate (not just "gun murders") in the UK for
the 14 years before and after the handgun ban. Do you see any
reduction in the rate associated with the ban? In fact, you see a
rapid rise in murders almost immediately following the ban. The
average for the 14 years prior to 1998 was 11.4 homicides per million;
the average for the 14 years since was 13.4 -- an 18% increase.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/assets/Homicide.bmp
Source: UK Home Office Statistical Bulletin, Homicides, Firearm
Offences and Intimate Violence 2010/11 (Table 1.01)
From 1993 to 2011, the UK homicide rate rose 3.6% and the U.S. murder
rate dropped 51%. In that time, the UK enacted a handgun ban.
Conversely, the U.S. expanded Concealed Carry. More guns, less crime?
[...]
Read the rest for yourself here, Baxter:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/01/parsing_piers.html
Wonder why this is true, Baxter:
"[T]he U.S. has 4 times more murders than the UK, but the UK has 5
times more violent crime than the U.S."
--Randall Hoven
Could it be because the criminal element in the UJ has nothing to fear
from its UNARMED and DEFENSELESS citizenry?
"Inquiring minds want to know."
---
“Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of
the Constitution by claiming it's not an individual right or that it's
too much of a public safety hazard don't see the danger in the big
picture. They're courting disaster by encouraging others to use the
same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don't like.”
--Alan Morton Dershowitz, Liberal lawyer, jurist, and political
commentator
Scout
Mar 8, 2013, 3:43:59 PM3/8/13
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That is correct. Some conservatives are morons just as some liberals are.
You being a case in point on that one.
Some conservatives are also rapists, just as some liberal are.
I acknowledge that you've finally figured out the principles involved here.
I also acknowledge your indirect admission that Klaus was correct all the
time.
You being a case in point on that one.
Some conservatives are also rapists, just as some liberal are.
I acknowledge that you've finally figured out the principles involved here.
I also acknowledge your indirect admission that Klaus was correct all the
time.
Scout
Mar 8, 2013, 3:44:34 PM3/8/13
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Bbzzzzzzzzzzztttttttttttttttttttt..
Your straw man and a distortion of the facts.
Your straw man and a distortion of the facts.
Scout
Mar 8, 2013, 3:48:01 PM3/8/13
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Hmm... if about 8% of the population were murderers....while Baxter consider
that insignificant?
Indeed, given how he has his panties in a knot over gun crime...one has to
wonder what percentage of the population do those criminals engaged in gun
crimes represent?
I bet it's less than 8%.
Seems something is only insignificant when he wants to ignore it.
that insignificant?
Indeed, given how he has his panties in a knot over gun crime...one has to
wonder what percentage of the population do those criminals engaged in gun
crimes represent?
I bet it's less than 8%.
Seems something is only insignificant when he wants to ignore it.
Scout
Mar 8, 2013, 3:54:14 PM3/8/13
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Repeat after me, "Correlation does not imply Causality".
Repeat until you understand it.
Meanwhile since we're looking at other countries.
In recent years Mexico has about the same number of gun related homicides
each year and they have a population much smaller than the US
Let me guess....you're now going to say that straight international
comparisons are invalid because other conditions matter.
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> "JohnJohnsn" <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:33a8f85d-de08-4344...@k4g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>Baxter is now desperately trying to equate going from his original
>>claim that "less than 6%" of the Peelers are armed to his newest claim
>>"about 8% -- still in single digits" is insignificant.
>
> You're the one who's disparate. Meanwhile:
> ---------
> And, to be crude, having few guns does mean that few people get shot. In
> 2008-2009, there were 39 fatal injuries from crimes involving firearms in
> England and Wales, with a population about one sixth the size of America's.
> In America, there were 12,000 gun-related homicides in 2008.
>
> http://www.economist.com/blogs/lexington/2012/12/gun-control
And you think that's suppose to mean something?
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> "JohnJohnsn" <TopCo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:33a8f85d-de08-4344...@k4g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>Baxter is now desperately trying to equate going from his original
>>claim that "less than 6%" of the Peelers are armed to his newest claim
>>"about 8% -- still in single digits" is insignificant.
>
> You're the one who's disparate. Meanwhile:
> ---------
> And, to be crude, having few guns does mean that few people get shot. In
> 2008-2009, there were 39 fatal injuries from crimes involving firearms in
> England and Wales, with a population about one sixth the size of America's.
> In America, there were 12,000 gun-related homicides in 2008.
>
> http://www.economist.com/blogs/lexington/2012/12/gun-control
Repeat after me, "Correlation does not imply Causality".
Repeat until you understand it.
Meanwhile since we're looking at other countries.
In recent years Mexico has about the same number of gun related homicides
each year and they have a population much smaller than the US
Let me guess....you're now going to say that straight international
comparisons are invalid because other conditions matter.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Mar 9, 2013, 8:38:27 AM3/9/13
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>"Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:lj3kj8pu1dsfsscmb...@4ax.com...
>> >"Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>----------
>>>Because of gun control and cops that don't carry guns, the death toll,
>>>adjusted for population, from guns in Britain is 1% of the US.
>>>
>>
>> Prove that's because of gun control and because cops don't carry guns.
>>
>
>Aha!! You finally admit Britain's "cops don't carry guns"!
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>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:lj3kj8pu1dsfsscmb...@4ax.com...
>> >"Baxter" <baxter.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>
>>>----------
>>>Because of gun control and cops that don't carry guns, the death toll,
>>>adjusted for population, from guns in Britain is 1% of the US.
>>>
>>
>> Prove that's because of gun control and because cops don't carry guns.
>>
>
>Aha!! You finally admit Britain's "cops don't carry guns"!
"Your reading compression sucks."
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