Re: Message to Americans from a Cop
martin
> This is a very reassuring message from a police officer, and it's good
> to know that some police officers are thinking about the future
> contingencies of this rogue administration, but what if forces from
> the United Nation's or some other foreign regime are dispatched to
> take our guns. Will you be ready to rumble?
> Will you be willing to lose everything as our founding fathers did, as
> we commemorate this Independence Day.
>
> Happy Holiday - remember, freedom is not free !
>
> Icon
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> If you aren't familiar with Pat Dollard, please get enlightened. Lest
> you think this is just "hype", I will attest to the fact that this IS
> the talk underground. Please prepare yourselves and remember that
> Independence Day must never be taken for granted. God bless the USA.
>
> Steph
>
> Note From a Cop
>
> The fear on the street is palpable. Ever since the election of Barack
> Obama as President of these United States in November 2008, coupled
> with the election of a democrat party majority in both the U.S. House
> and Senate, concern for the United States and personal safety has
> ignited like a fire in dry grass.
>
> Sales of guns – black guns, rifles, shotguns and handguns
> (particularly 9mm) everywhere, have gone through the roof. AR15s have
> literally flown off of dealer shelves, and only now in the spring of
> 2009, have I seen the display samples of ARs begin to reappear on the
> wall of my favorite shooting emporium after the initial post election
> rush.
>
> Manufacturers of ARs are still working to catch up and some of the
> major suppliers are as much as 150,000 guns behind. Not only that,
> ammo is in the shortest supply I have ever seen in the 43 years of my
> shooting life. Have you recently tried to get 5.56mm, 9mm or even 380
> ammo?
>
> Supplies of 5.56mm and 9mm ammo are in short supply due to the black
> gun buying craze; .380ACP because of the rise in people getting
> concealed carry permits and the resurgence of interest in convenient
> 380 handguns like the fine Ruger LCP. In fact, in doing a review of
> the Ruger LCP, my gun store only had a small supply of ONE .380 round
> on hand, the Winchesters 95-grain SXT, which they had just gotten in.
> Unfortunately, I had to do a 30-round review of that pistol. There was
> none other to be=2 0found.
>
> What is odd about this new fear is that it is not coming from the
> average citizen gun owner out there, but it is coming from what to me
> is an almost shocking source: street cops.
>
> Street cops and SWAT cops that I know from various agencies – rural,
> suburban and metro – in my area are scared. Cops that before November
> 2008 never gave much thought (that I knew of anyway) to politics or
> more
> importantly to gun rights. For the most part, these are the guys that
> didn’t generally have any interest in shooting or gun ownership beyond
> keeping track of where their duty gun is, and a few of them didn’t
> even do that so well.
>
> The guys I am talking about now are some of the same guys who used to
> not even carry off duty on a regular basis- but not anymore. They
> don’t scare easily, defenders of the Constitution of this State and
> the United States (as our oath of office reads), have been buying ARs,
> survival gear, and all the ammo they can lay their hands on. All of
> them (or I should say “us”) have been discussing and have been
> acquiring guns to provide a layered perimeter defense.
>
> What are we suddenly so afraid of? Well in our discussions it seems to
> boil down to four areas.
>
> First, fear of federal government intrusion into our lives. Every time
> I look at or listen to the news, there is something new and intrusive
> coming out of the Obama administration and this Congress . New tax
> schemes, government-run Canadian-style healthcare, a volunteer citizen
> defense force (whatever that is, what happened to the National Guard?)
> equipped with funding similar to our military, forced voluntary
> “service” after retirement, a lack of a southern border with hordes of
> illegal and criminal aliens pouring over our border, the swine flu
> scare as well as government forced closing of thousands of privately
> held Chrysler and GM dealerships, which will be the final nail in the
> coffin for these companies and the list goes on and on.
>
> But these items in the news are just the tip of the iceberg. We can’t
> see the full impact of these actions yet, but we don’t know what was
> added into the thousand of pages of stimulus package bills in the dead
> of night yet. I predict however that when the plans contained in the
> stimulus packages go into effect, a lot of us are going to be
> surprised if not shocked by what has suddenly and sweepingly changed.
>
> What also scares us is the second, well-founded fear that there is an
> assault weapons ban looming, one that would make the Clinton Ban
> appear like a look of disdain in comparison. I remember well the 1990s
> and the Clinton years: the rise of militia groups, the “black
> helicopter” rumors and paranoia, all of which was motivated by the
> Brady Law and the Assault Weapon’s ban. What if a new ban comes
> requiring registration or confiscation and turn-in of banned weapons
> as what happened in Australia?
>
> …I foresee much civil disobedience coming down the road. Americans are
> citizens, and not subjects like the British, Canadians or Australians.
> They just don’t always obey the law blindly and not one officer or
> citizen that I spoke to said anything like “I hope I get to keep this
> gun for awhile before they are banned; They are fun to shoot, so I
> would hate to give it up.” It isn’t going to happen, so the cop on the
> street and the soldier on the base needs to think now what he will do
> if the orders come down. I think you all get what I am saying here.
>
> Which leads me to the third fear, that there is a revolution coming,
> yes, a revolution on the scale of the original American Revolution.
> You can hear this topic discussed on many of the talk radio shows by
> even the big name hosts. The possibility of an armed revolution
> against the U.S. government being discussed, albeit very gingerly and
> fleetingly and as something to be avoided, which it is. I never heard
> this mentioned in the 90s. One of my quietest, low profile officer
> friends brought it up the other day.
>
> http://patdollard.com/2009/07/note-from-a-cop/
>
> http://www.rescuewithoutborders.org/id286.html
When a government loses the respect of the people as this one
has, and I'm not just refering to the Obama regime, that government
forfeits it's validity and right to continue.
Mitch
Sid9
"martin" <martin.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Are you advocating armed insurrection?
Jack G.
> "martin" <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
No he is not and only a liberal would think so.
First the good people of this country will try to save this country
with the 2010 elections.
If the elections are fixed again by ACORN then you better start
worrying.
Klaus Schadenfreude
>> > When a government loses the respect of the people as this
>> > one
>> > has, and I'm not just refering to the Obama regime, that
>> > government
>> > forfeits it's validity and right to continue.
>>
>> > Mitch
>>
>> Are you advocating armed insurrection?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>No he is not and only a liberal would think so.
>First the good people of this country will try to save this country
>with the 2010 elections.
>If the elections are fixed again by ACORN then you better start
>worrying.
First of all, Mitch is a fucking idiot. No government "forfeits it's
validity and right to continue" because one party lost the election.
Obviously the people who voted for Obama respect him. That's the
dumbest fucking piece of logic I've ever heard, and "Mitch" has posted
some pretty dumb shit.
Second, if people aren't willing to get off their fat dead asses and
vote, then they get the government they deserve. America deserves
Obama. You can take that any way you want to.
edi...@netpath.net
wrote:
> First of all, Mitch is a fucking idiot. No government "forfeits it's
> validity and right to continue" because one party lost the election.
> Obviously the people who voted for Obama respect him. That's the
> dumbest fucking piece of logic I've ever heard, and "Mitch" has posted
> some pretty dumb shit.
It goes way beyond the past election. It starts with regime sellout
of the working and middle classes by trade deals such as NAFTA and WTO
promoting "offshoring" - something that happened 15 years before you
or I ever heard of Obama. It includes local governments putting
preposterous assessments on middle-class homes so it can tax them on
nonexistent value - at a time when the private sector funding those
local governments has been downsizing for 15 years but the local
governments expanding; this is why there were wire stories this
weekend - and a big one in the commie New York Times - about how
people were appealing property-tax assessments now in numbers like
never before.
http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
Sid9
<edi...@netpath.net> wrote in message
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This government was elected by a majority of Americans to
stay in office until January 20, 2013.
Local governments have been elected by a majority of their
citizens.
What are you proposing?
Gray Ghost
september.org:
No, you incredible nincompoop, he's making a prediction.
--
Always remember:
Bull Connor was a Democrat!
Klaus Schadenfreude
Cite.
Klaus Schadenfreude
>This government was elected by a majority of Americans to
>stay in office until January 20, 2013.
>Local governments have been elected by a majority of their
>citizens.
>What are you proposing?
>
He's proposing dragging his lard-ass out from behind his keyboard and
registering to vote for Sarah Palin.
Gray Ghost
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I didn't take it as a complaint about Obama winning. It's a complaint about a
government that no longer serves the people it is leaching off of.
Irrspective of party. It is a one party system, the Republicans, and I've
supported them for 30 years, are weak sisters who assume the mantle of
conservatism for elections and then go along with the slow socialist rot.
Yeah BFD they are standing up now, big whoop. They can't stop any legislation
can they? They are amking thier bones for teh next election. The time to have
been conservative was during the first 6 years of Bush's term in office when
they had the majority.
I think the point made was that people in large numbers feel that they are
not represented. And in fact they have voted. But people who think there is a
free lunch to be had on the other guy's dime voted in greater numbers and
there is the impression that elections have been compromised.
Wayne
"Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "martin" <martin.s...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c6cc70e3-fbe8-4f34...@b15g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 5, 6:49 pm, Iconoclast <iconocl...@nym.hush.com> wrote:
>>> This is a very reassuring message from a police officer, and it's good
>>> to know that some police officers are thinking about the future
>>> contingencies of this rogue administration, but what if forces from
>>> the United Nation's or some other foreign regime are dispatched to
>>> take our guns. Will you be ready to rumble?
>>> Will you be willing to lose everything as our founding fathers did, as
>>> we commemorate this Independence Day.
>>>
>>> Happy Holiday - remember, freedom is not free !
>>>
>>> Icon
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>> If you aren't familiar with Pat Dollard, please get enlightened. Lest
>>> you think this is just "hype", I will attest to the fact that this IS
>>> the talk underground. Please prepare yourselves and remember that
>>> Independence Day must never be taken for granted. God bless the USA.
>>>
>>> Steph
>>>
>>> Note From a Cop
>>>
>>> The fear on the street is palpable. Ever since the election of Barack
>>> Obama as President of these United States in November 2008, coupled
>>> with the election of a democrat party majority in both the U.S. House
>>> and Senate, concern for the United States and personal safety has
>>> ignited like a fire in dry grass.
>>>
>>> (particularly 9mm) everywhere, have gone through the roof. AR15s have
>>> literally flown off of dealer shelves, and only now in the spring of
>>> 2009, have I seen the display samples of ARs begin to reappear on the
>>> wall of my favorite shooting emporium after the initial post election
>>> rush.
>>>
>>> Manufacturers of ARs are still working to catch up and some of the
>>> major suppliers are as much as 150,000 guns behind. Not only that,
>>> ammo is in the shortest supply I have ever seen in the 43 years of my
>>> shooting life. Have you recently tried to get 5.56mm, 9mm or even 380
>>> ammo?
>>>
>>> Supplies of 5.56mm and 9mm ammo are in short supply due to the black
>>> gun buying craze; .380ACP because of the rise in people getting
>>> concealed carry permits and the resurgence of interest in convenient
>>> 380 handguns like the fine Ruger LCP. In fact, in doing a review of
>>> the Ruger LCP, my gun store only had a small supply of ONE .380 round
>>> on hand, the Winchesters 95-grain SXT, which they had just gotten in.
>>> Unfortunately, I had to do a 30-round review of that pistol. There was
>>> none other to be=2 0found.
>>>
>>> What is odd about this new fear is that it is not coming from the
>>> average citizen gun owner out there, but it is coming from what to me
>>> is an almost shocking source: street cops.
>>>
>>> suburban and metro - in my area are scared. Cops that before November
>>> citizens, and not subjects like the British, Canadians or Australians.
>>> They just don't always obey the law blindly and not one officer or
>>> citizen that I spoke to said anything like "I hope I get to keep this
>>> gun for awhile before they are banned; They are fun to shoot, so I
>>> would hate to give it up." It isn't going to happen, so the cop on the
>>> street and the soldier on the base needs to think now what he will do
>>> if the orders come down. I think you all get what I am saying here.
>>>
>>> Which leads me to the third fear, that there is a revolution coming,
>>> yes, a revolution on the scale of the original American Revolution.
>>> You can hear this topic discussed on many of the talk radio shows by
>>> even the big name hosts. The possibility of an armed revolution
>>> against the U.S. government being discussed, albeit very gingerly and
>>> fleetingly and as something to be avoided, which it is. I never heard
>>> this mentioned in the 90s. One of my quietest, low profile officer
>>> friends brought it up the other day.
>>>
>>> http://patdollard.com/2009/07/note-from-a-cop/
>>>
>>> http://www.rescuewithoutborders.org/id286.html
>>
>> When a government loses the respect of the people as this one
>> has, and I'm not just refering to the Obama regime, that government
>> forfeits it's validity and right to continue.
>>
>> Mitch
>
> Are you advocating armed insurrection?
>
neighbors to gather at the local park with torches, pitchforks, rakes, sharp
sticks, etc. I'd like to take along a gun instead.
Sid9
"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote
in message
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There's the smell of armed insurrection in his post.
His political views failed to sway the majority of Americans
both in national and local elections.
He implies change by other means.
Sid9
"Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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When bush,jr / Cheney were in office and the Republicans
were in power they were elected by a democratic process.
Now Obama/ Biden are in office, Democrats, elected by a
democratic process.
What are you proposing?
Schiffner
Bollocks...you stupid piece of filth.
> When a government loses the respect of the people as this one
> has, and I'm not just refering to the Obama regime, that government
> forfeits it's validity and right to continue.
Proof you are stupid also, that reads like you are encouraging
insurrection, civil war and treason. A sure sign you want to commit
suicide. I spent 20 year defending the constitution and people like
you want it gone. That is very unhealthy attitude.
--
Keith
Vito
"Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote
> "Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net> wrote
>> "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote
>>> "martin" <martin.s...@gmail.com> wrote\
Iconoclast <iconocl...@nym.hush.com> >>>> wrote:
>>>>> This is a very reassuring message from a police officer, ...
>>>>> Happy Holiday - remember, freedom is not free ! .....
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Are you advocating armed insurrection?
>>>
>> I, for one, wouldn't advocate it. However, if the time comes for all the
>> neighbors to gather at the local park with torches, pitchforks, rakes,
>> sharp sticks, etc. I'd like to take along a gun instead.
>>
>
> When bush,jr / Cheney were in office and the Republicans were in power
> they were elected by a democratic process.
>
> Now Obama/ Biden are in office, Democrats, elected by a democratic
> process.
>
> What are you proposing?
anybody advocating or proposing anything. Is it "the voices" you hear?
OTOH somebody in gummymint was worried about rebellions enough to make a
treaty with Canada allowing the use of Canadian troops to put down US
insurrections if US troops refuse to do so. I know that's true <g> 'cuz I
read it right here on reeky.
Wayne
happen, I wouldn't expect the gummint to be any more helpful than it was
during Katrina. So far the gummint's handling of the economy has been on
par with Katrina, and has featured multiple abuses of existing contract law.
The economy is pretty fragile at the moment, and there are three + years
left before getting another chance to vote a change.
You might feel warm and comfy with the current state of affairs, by many
people don't.
Billzz
"Vito" <vi...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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Just passing by and note that as the US rep. to the Australian, British,
Canadian, and American (ABCA) Treaty Organization, I never heard anything
about it, but all of the Canadian military (air, land, and sea services)
amount to about 65,000 people, with maybe 4,000 deployed overseas. Not
exactly an overwhelming force to control 3 million US.
Sid9
"Vito" <vi...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
Try reading the previous posts.
Our government is not a foreign government.
It's the government that a majority Americans chose in a
popular election.
You don't like it? Join a party. Support candidates that
appeal to you.
Election day is coming November 2012 for our national
government.
Do you have a clue as to what the words in the Pledge of
Allegiance mean?
Sid9
Under the British system a government can be replaced
between elections.
Our government stands until January 20, 2013.
Election day is in November 0f 2012.
A majority of Americans elected this government.
What do you propose to remedy your discomfort?
By the way, do you understand the words in the Pledge of
Allegiance?
Jim Alder
> Are you advocating armed insurrection?
The United States of America wouldn't be here without it.
--
So, how's that whole "hopey - changey"
thing working out for you so far?
Jeff George
september.org:
> There's the smell of armed insurrection in his post.
> His political views failed to sway the majority of Americans
> both in national and local elections.
> He implies change by other means.
So? He may be a retard, but there's nothing wrong with insurrection to
change a government that has failed its people.
--
JG, former Quarterback and Lt. General SWIFT (Socialist Workers
Infiltrating Federal Targets)
Sid9
"Jeff George" <antic...@heaven.com> wrote in message
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Our government was elected by a majority of Americans.
Are you saying a minority of disgruntled Americans may over
throw our government?
Do you understand the meaning of the words in the Pledge of
Allegiance?
No Bammer
>>>Sales of guns � black guns, rifles, shotguns and handguns
>>>agencies � rural,
>>>suburban and metro � in my area are scared. Cops that
>>>before November
>>>2008 never gave much thought (that I knew of anyway) to
>>>politics or
>>>more
>>>importantly to gun rights. For the most part, these are
>>>the guys that
>>>didn�t generally have any interest in shooting or gun
>>>ownership beyond
>>>keeping track of where their duty gun is, and a few of
>>>them didn�t
>>>even do that so well.
>>>
>>>The guys I am talking about now are some of the same guys
>>>who used to
>>>not even carry off duty on a regular basis- but not
>>>anymore. They
>>>don�t scare easily, defenders of the Constitution of this
>>>State and
>>>the United States (as our oath of office reads), have
>>>been buying ARs,
>>>survival gear, and all the ammo they can lay their hands
>>>on. All of
>>>them (or I should say �us�) have been discussing and have
>>>been
>>>acquiring guns to provide a layered perimeter defense.
>>>
>>>What are we suddenly so afraid of? Well in our
>>>discussions it seems to
>>>boil down to four areas.
>>>
>>>First, fear of federal government intrusion into our
>>>lives. Every time
>>>I look at or listen to the news, there is something new
>>>and intrusive
>>>coming out of the Obama administration and this Congress
>>>. New tax
>>>schemes, government-run Canadian-style healthcare, a
>>>volunteer citizen
>>>defense force (whatever that is, what happened to the
>>>National Guard?)
>>>equipped with funding similar to our military, forced
>>>voluntary
>>>�service� after retirement, a lack of a southern border
>>>with hordes of
>>>illegal and criminal aliens pouring over our border, the
>>>swine flu
>>>scare as well as government forced closing of thousands
>>>of privately
>>>held Chrysler and GM dealerships, which will be the final
>>>nail in the
>>>coffin for these companies and the list goes on and on.
>>>
>>>But these items in the news are just the tip of the
>>>iceberg. We can�t
>>>see the full impact of these actions yet, but we don�t
>>>know what was
>>>added into the thousand of pages of stimulus package
>>>bills in the dead
>>>of night yet. I predict however that when the plans
>>>contained in the
>>>stimulus packages go into effect, a lot of us are going
>>>to be
>>>surprised if not shocked by what has suddenly and
>>>sweepingly changed.
>>>
>>>What also scares us is the second, well-founded fear that
>>>there is an
>>>assault weapons ban looming, one that would make the
>>>Clinton Ban
>>>appear like a look of disdain in comparison. I remember
>>>well the 1990s
>>>and the Clinton years: the rise of militia groups, the
>>>�black
>>>helicopter� rumors and paranoia, all of which was
>>>motivated by the
>>>Brady Law and the Assault Weapon�s ban. What if a new ban
>>>comes
>>>requiring registration or confiscation and turn-in of
>>>banned weapons
>>>as what happened in Australia?
>>>
>>>�I foresee much civil disobedience coming down the road.
>>>Americans are
>>>citizens, and not subjects like the British, Canadians or
>>>Australians.
>>>They just don�t always obey the law blindly and not one
>>>officer or
>>>citizen that I spoke to said anything like �I hope I get
>>>to keep this
>>>gun for awhile before they are banned; They are fun to
>>>shoot, so I
>>>would hate to give it up.� It isn�t going to happen, so
If it comes to that, I know what side I will be on.
Sid9
"No Bammer" <noba...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>>>>suburban and metro � in my area are scared. Cops that
>>>>2008 never gave much thought (that I knew of anyway) to
>>>>politics or
>>>>more
>>>>importantly to gun rights. For the most part, these are
>>>>the guys that
>>>>keeping track of where their duty gun is, and a few of
>>>>even do that so well.
>>>>
>>>>The guys I am talking about now are some of the same
>>>>guys who used to
>>>>not even carry off duty on a regular basis- but not
>>>>anymore. They
>>>>the United States (as our oath of office reads), have
>>>>been buying ARs,
>>>>survival gear, and all the ammo they can lay their hands
>>>>on. All of
>>>>acquiring guns to provide a layered perimeter defense.
>>>>
>>>>What are we suddenly so afraid of? Well in our
>>>>discussions it seems to
>>>>boil down to four areas.
>>>>
>>>>First, fear of federal government intrusion into our
>>>>lives. Every time
>>>>I look at or listen to the news, there is something new
>>>>and intrusive
>>>>coming out of the Obama administration and this Congress
>>>>. New tax
>>>>schemes, government-run Canadian-style healthcare, a
>>>>volunteer citizen
>>>>defense force (whatever that is, what happened to the
>>>>National Guard?)
>>>>equipped with funding similar to our military, forced
>>>>voluntary
>>>>illegal and criminal aliens pouring over our border, the
>>>>swine flu
>>>>scare as well as government forced closing of thousands
>>>>of privately
>>>>held Chrysler and GM dealerships, which will be the
>>>>final nail in the
>>>>coffin for these companies and the list goes on and on.
>>>>
>>>>But these items in the news are just the tip of the
>>>>see the full impact of these actions yet, but we don�t
>>>>added into the thousand of pages of stimulus package
>>>>bills in the dead
>>>>of night yet. I predict however that when the plans
>>>>contained in the
>>>>stimulus packages go into effect, a lot of us are going
>>>>to be
>>>>surprised if not shocked by what has suddenly and
>>>>sweepingly changed.
>>>>
>>>>What also scares us is the second, well-founded fear
>>>>that there is an
>>>>assault weapons ban looming, one that would make the
>>>>Clinton Ban
>>>>appear like a look of disdain in comparison. I remember
>>>>well the 1990s
>>>>and the Clinton years: the rise of militia groups, the
>>>>helicopter� rumors and paranoia, all of which was
>>>>motivated by the
>>>>Brady Law and the Assault Weapon�s ban. What if a new
>>>>requiring registration or confiscation and turn-in of
>>>>banned weapons
>>>>as what happened in Australia?
>>>>
>>>>citizens, and not subjects like the British, Canadians
>>>>or Australians.
>>>>officer or
>>>>citizen that I spoke to said anything like �I hope I get
>>>>gun for awhile before they are banned; They are fun to
>>>>shoot, so I
Do you understand the words in the Pledge of Allegiance?
Do you believe a disgruntled minority has the right to
overthrow our government?
Vito
> "Vito" <vi...@cfl.rr.com> wrote
>> Are you responding to the post or to a pat on the ass? I didn't notice
>> anybody advocating or proposing anything. Is it "the voices" you hear?
>>
>> OTOH somebody in gummymint was worried about rebellions enough to make a
>> treaty with Canada allowing the use of Canadian troops to put down US
>> insurrections if US troops refuse to do so. I know that's true <g> 'cuz
>> I read it right here on reeky.
>>
>
> Try reading the previous posts.
Cite?
>
> Do you have a clue as to what the words in the Pledge of Allegiance mean?
Obviously far better than you. Do you remember it before
"god" qas added?
Lou Stuhle
>
> - Show quoted text -
BINGO !! And not just ACORN being involved in the fixing of elections
but their involvement in the census has ALREADY got mllions of people
ready with pitchforks,torches and rope.
Lou Stuhle
> > hard-to-find stuff!
>
> This government was elected by a majority of Americans to
> stay in office until January 20, 2013.
> Local governments have been elected by a majority of their
> citizens.
>
> - Show quoted text -
There you go sid.The arrogance and cluelessness of the left will ONCE
again be their downfall. By the time the next elections roll around
the American people will be so angry at Obama,the demorat controlled
congress and liberals in general the Republicans could run Howdy Doody
and win back congress.
Lou Stuhle
> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote
> in messagenews:rt3455h2dorso86g0...@4ax.com...
>
> - Show quoted text -
Are you worried sid?? Ya' think some pissed off flag waving American
will show up at the public library and drag you kicking and screaming
from the taxpayer funded PC you live on?? Time to get off the damned
thing anyway. That poor homeless negro standing behind you has been
waiting 6 hours for his turn to surf kiddie porn !!
Vito
> Do you understand the words in the Pledge of Allegiance?
The PoA mentions the flag and the republic. Neither the present nor past
administrations are either one. If you believe that by reciting the PoA any
American is promising to support anyone then you clearly do not understand
the duties of an American Citizen.
> Do you believe a disgruntled minority has the right to overthrow our
> government?
Right or wrong, a disgruntled minority did exactly that circa 1776.
That same disgruntled minority then founded a republic governed by a
constitution which specifically grants certain powers to the government and
reserves the rest to the states and the people. I suggest you read it before
asking moot and inflamitory questions.
When elected officials exceed those grants, then the people have every right
to treat them as criminals and remove them from office through recall and/or
impeachment. The people are not required to patiently wait years for an
election to remedy a mistake.
Gray Ghost
september.org:
Actually it's only a majority of those who voted. There appears to be
substantial number of people whio think voting is pointless. And of course
there is the question of whether there the elections are actually without
corruption a shadow cast by ACORN.
>
> Do you understand the meaning of the words in the Pledge of
> Allegiance?
>
>
>
>
>
--
Gray Ghost
september.org:
Not to hear many liberals tell it, including many here.
>
> Now Obama/ Biden are in office, Democrats, elected by a
> democratic process.
>
> What are you proposing?
>
>
>
--
Gray Ghost
september.org:
Well the specifics may have changed a little but the spirit remains the same.
Adopted by Congress on July 4, 1776
The Unanimous Declaration of the Thirteen United States of America
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to
dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to
assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which
the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the
opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel
them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that
they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among
these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these
rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from
the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes
destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to
abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such
principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most
likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate
that governments long established should not be changed for light and
transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are
more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves
by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train
of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a
design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is
their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their
future security. --Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies;
and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former
systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a
history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the
establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let
facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the
public good.
He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing
importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be
obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of large districts of
people, unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in
the legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable,
and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose
of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly
firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to
be elected; whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have
returned to the people at large for their exercise; the state remaining in
the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and
convulsions within.
He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose
obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass
others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the conditions of new
appropriations of lands.
He has obstructed the administration of justice, by refusing his assent to
laws for establishing judiciary powers.
He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their
offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers
to harass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies without the consent
of our legislature.
He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to civil
power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our
constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts
of pretended legislation:
For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by mock trial, from punishment for any murders which
they should commit on the inhabitants of these states:
For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing taxes on us without our consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury:
For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offenses:
For abolishing the free system of English laws in a neighboring province,
establishing therein an arbitrary government, and enlarging its boundaries so
as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the
same absolute rule in these colonies:
For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering
fundamentally the forms of our governments:
For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with
power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated government here, by declaring us out of his protection and
waging war against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and
destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to
complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with
circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most
barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow citizens taken captive on the high seas to bear
arms against their country, to become the executioners of their friends and
brethren, or to fall themselves by their hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring
on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose
known rule of warfare, is undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and
conditions.
In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the
most humble terms: our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated
injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may
define a tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have we been wanting in attention to our British brethren. We have warned
them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an
unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the
circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to
their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties
of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably
interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the
voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the
necessity, which denounces our separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest
of mankind, enemies in war, in peace friends.
We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in
General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for
the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the
good people of these colonies, solemnly publish and declare, that these
united colonies are, and of right ought to be free and independent states;
that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all
political connection between them and the state of Great Britain, is and
ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent states, they
have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish
commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent states may of
right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on
the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our
lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.
New Hampshire: Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton
Massachusetts: John Hancock, Samual Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine,
Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island: Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery
Connecticut: Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver
Wolcott
New York: William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris
New Jersey: Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart,
Abraham Clark
Pennsylvania: Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton,
George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross
Delaware: Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean
Maryland: Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of
Carrollton
Virginia: George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin
Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton
North Carolina: William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn
South Carolina: Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr.,
Arthur Middleton
Georgia: Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton
Source: The Pennsylvania Packet, July 8, 1776
edi...@netpath.net
> "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote innews:h2t5o3$k75$1...@news.eternal-
> september.org:
> > There's the smell of armed insurrection in his post.
> > His political views failed to sway the majority of Americans
> > both in national and local elections.
> > He implies change by other means.
>
> So? He may be a retard, but there's nothing wrong with insurrection to
> change a government that has failed its people.
Exactly. America didn't get its freedom by asking the United Nations
for it; it got its freedom by armed insurrection. The French didn't
get rid of the Marie Antoinette elites that were telling them to go
eat cake as they couldn't afford bread by asking the United Nations to
admonish Marie Antoinette; they got freedom from those elites through
armed insurrection. The Irish didn't get free of Brit colonial rule
through sending petitions to the Brit elites; they got free by armed
insurrection. The Palestinians didn't get Israeli occupation of Gaza
ended by asking the United Nations; they got it ended by armed
insurrection.
See a pattern here?
http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
Gray Ghost
8998-004...@y17g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:
Up until the last example.
Sid9
<edi...@netpath.net> wrote in message
news:aa537475-c4ea-49c0...@y17g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
You are proposing insurrection.
Who do you propose to get "free" from?
The United States of America?
PS...bush,jr changed the law on insurrection to cover you
and your rebel friends:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act
Scout
Actually, most Americans have given up on government. What you mean to
say is that we have the government of that small minority that still
fells that we can control government act by whom we elect. Problem is
that all the front running candates basically have the same objective.
They just differ on how to get there.
Take a look on the polls of the American people's trust in the federal
government and the trend lines of those polls. It's disturbing.
Scout
Really? Odd last time I looked the total number that voted were well
under 50% of the eligable votes, and when you consider the number that
voted for THIS administration you will find that over 3 people in 4 did
NOT elect this government. Let me just point out that with 1/3 of the
people supporting the Crown, we still ended up with armed rebellion
here. Nope, I think it's safe to say that government needs to be
concerned with their loss of popular support and do more to regain that
support by the people. I would like to say the last election did that,
but I have to wonder if a lot of those who turned out to vote did so
because of politics.......or other considerations such as skin color.
Scout
Sid9 wrote:
> "Jeff George" <antic...@heaven.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9C408338E12EAg...@62.141.42.83...
>> "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in
>> news:h2t5o3$k75$1...@news.eternal-
>> september.org:
>>
>>> There's the smell of armed insurrection in his post.
>>> His political views failed to sway the majority of
>>> Americans
>>> both in national and local elections.
>>> He implies change by other means.
>> So? He may be a retard, but there's nothing wrong with
>> insurrection to
>> change a government that has failed its people.
>> --
>> JG, former Quarterback and Lt. General SWIFT (Socialist
>> Workers
>> Infiltrating Federal Targets)
>
> Our government was elected by a majority of Americans.
Please show where over 50% of the people who are legally able to vote,
voted for our current government.
I don't think you can.
Scout
>>>>> Sales of guns � black guns, rifles, shotguns and
>>>>> agencies � rural,
>>>>> suburban and metro � in my area are scared. Cops that
>>>>> before November
>>>>> 2008 never gave much thought (that I knew of anyway) to
>>>>> politics or
>>>>> more
>>>>> importantly to gun rights. For the most part, these are
>>>>> the guys that
>>>>> didn�t generally have any interest in shooting or gun
>>>>> ownership beyond
>>>>> keeping track of where their duty gun is, and a few of
>>>>> them didn�t
>>>>> even do that so well.
>>>>>
>>>>> The guys I am talking about now are some of the same
>>>>> guys who used to
>>>>> not even carry off duty on a regular basis- but not
>>>>> anymore. They
>>>>> don�t scare easily, defenders of the Constitution of
>>>>> this State and
>>>>> the United States (as our oath of office reads), have
>>>>> been buying ARs,
>>>>> survival gear, and all the ammo they can lay their hands
>>>>> on. All of
>>>>> them (or I should say �us�) have been discussing and
>>>>> have been
>>>>> acquiring guns to provide a layered perimeter defense.
>>>>>
>>>>> What are we suddenly so afraid of? Well in our
>>>>> discussions it seems to
>>>>> boil down to four areas.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, fear of federal government intrusion into our
>>>>> lives. Every time
>>>>> I look at or listen to the news, there is something new
>>>>> and intrusive
>>>>> coming out of the Obama administration and this Congress
>>>>> . New tax
>>>>> schemes, government-run Canadian-style healthcare, a
>>>>> volunteer citizen
>>>>> defense force (whatever that is, what happened to the
>>>>> National Guard?)
>>>>> equipped with funding similar to our military, forced
>>>>> voluntary
>>>>> �service� after retirement, a lack of a southern border
>>>>> with hordes of
>>>>> illegal and criminal aliens pouring over our border, the
>>>>> swine flu
>>>>> scare as well as government forced closing of thousands
>>>>> of privately
>>>>> held Chrysler and GM dealerships, which will be the
>>>>> final nail in the
>>>>> coffin for these companies and the list goes on and on.
>>>>>
>>>>> But these items in the news are just the tip of the
>>>>> iceberg. We can�t
>>>>> see the full impact of these actions yet, but we don�t
>>>>> know what was
>>>>> added into the thousand of pages of stimulus package
>>>>> bills in the dead
>>>>> of night yet. I predict however that when the plans
>>>>> contained in the
>>>>> stimulus packages go into effect, a lot of us are going
>>>>> to be
>>>>> surprised if not shocked by what has suddenly and
>>>>> sweepingly changed.
>>>>>
>>>>> What also scares us is the second, well-founded fear
>>>>> that there is an
>>>>> assault weapons ban looming, one that would make the
>>>>> Clinton Ban
>>>>> appear like a look of disdain in comparison. I remember
>>>>> well the 1990s
>>>>> and the Clinton years: the rise of militia groups, the
>>>>> �black
>>>>> helicopter� rumors and paranoia, all of which was
>>>>> motivated by the
>>>>> Brady Law and the Assault Weapon�s ban. What if a new
>>>>> ban comes
>>>>> requiring registration or confiscation and turn-in of
>>>>> banned weapons
>>>>> as what happened in Australia?
>>>>>
>>>>> �I foresee much civil disobedience coming down the road.
>>>>> Americans are
>>>>> citizens, and not subjects like the British, Canadians
>>>>> or Australians.
>>>>> They just don�t always obey the law blindly and not one
>>>>> officer or
>>>>> citizen that I spoke to said anything like �I hope I get
>>>>> to keep this
>>>>> gun for awhile before they are banned; They are fun to
>>>>> shoot, so I
>>>>> would hate to give it up.� It isn�t going to happen, so
It's already been done once in our nation's history.....or do you think
we should still be a holding of the UK?
BamaBrian
> On Jul 6, 7:26 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bollocks...you stupid piece of filth.
>
>> When a government loses the respect of the people as this one
>> has, and I'm not just refering to the Obama regime, that government
>> forfeits it's validity and right to continue.
>
> insurrection, civil war and treason. A sure sign you want to commit
> suicide. I spent 20 year defending the constitution and people like
> you want it gone. That is very unhealthy attitude.
I have yet to see anyone who wants the Constitution gone.
But successive governments have trashed the Constitution, to the point
that it may as well not be there. For example, FDR created the Social
Security system - and then only two governments later, it was the
Eisenhauer administration and Congress that decided to loot and plunder
the SSA.
It is this last government of Obama's which may well be the "Straw that
broke the camel's back".
>
> --
> Keith
--
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana, 1863 - 1952
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
BamaBrian
>>>>> suburban and metro � in my area are scared. Cops that
>>>>> 2008 never gave much thought (that I knew of anyway) to
>>>>> politics or
>>>>> more
>>>>> importantly to gun rights. For the most part, these are
>>>>> the guys that
>>>>> keeping track of where their duty gun is, and a few of
>>>>> even do that so well.
>>>>>
>>>>> The guys I am talking about now are some of the same
>>>>> guys who used to
>>>>> not even carry off duty on a regular basis- but not
>>>>> anymore. They
>>>>> the United States (as our oath of office reads), have
>>>>> been buying ARs,
>>>>> survival gear, and all the ammo they can lay their hands
>>>>> on. All of
>>>>> acquiring guns to provide a layered perimeter defense.
>>>>>
>>>>> What are we suddenly so afraid of? Well in our
>>>>> discussions it seems to
>>>>> boil down to four areas.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, fear of federal government intrusion into our
>>>>> lives. Every time
>>>>> I look at or listen to the news, there is something new
>>>>> and intrusive
>>>>> coming out of the Obama administration and this Congress
>>>>> . New tax
>>>>> schemes, government-run Canadian-style healthcare, a
>>>>> volunteer citizen
>>>>> defense force (whatever that is, what happened to the
>>>>> National Guard?)
>>>>> equipped with funding similar to our military, forced
>>>>> voluntary
>>>>> illegal and criminal aliens pouring over our border, the
>>>>> swine flu
>>>>> scare as well as government forced closing of thousands
>>>>> of privately
>>>>> held Chrysler and GM dealerships, which will be the
>>>>> final nail in the
>>>>> coffin for these companies and the list goes on and on.
>>>>>
>>>>> But these items in the news are just the tip of the
>>>>> see the full impact of these actions yet, but we don�t
>>>>> added into the thousand of pages of stimulus package
>>>>> bills in the dead
>>>>> of night yet. I predict however that when the plans
>>>>> contained in the
>>>>> stimulus packages go into effect, a lot of us are going
>>>>> to be
>>>>> surprised if not shocked by what has suddenly and
>>>>> sweepingly changed.
>>>>>
>>>>> What also scares us is the second, well-founded fear
>>>>> that there is an
>>>>> assault weapons ban looming, one that would make the
>>>>> Clinton Ban
>>>>> appear like a look of disdain in comparison. I remember
>>>>> well the 1990s
>>>>> and the Clinton years: the rise of militia groups, the
>>>>> helicopter� rumors and paranoia, all of which was
>>>>> motivated by the
>>>>> Brady Law and the Assault Weapon�s ban. What if a new
>>>>> requiring registration or confiscation and turn-in of
>>>>> banned weapons
>>>>> as what happened in Australia?
>>>>>
>>>>> citizens, and not subjects like the British, Canadians
>>>>> or Australians.
>>>>> officer or
>>>>> citizen that I spoke to said anything like �I hope I get
>>>>> gun for awhile before they are banned; They are fun to
>>>>> shoot, so I
A "disgruntled minority"?
There are the 14 million or so that constitute the 9.5% unemployed who
lost their jobs and cannot find a new one.
There are the retirees who are now paying federal income taxes on their
Social Security incomes.
There are the upcoming retirees who will never see a dime of Social
Security because successive federal governments - including Obama's -
have looted and plundered the fund.
There are all the retirees who depended on their company's retirement
plans - which all went "poof" when the federal courts approved of the
company reorganization plans.
There are all the citizens with a brain, who cannot see any hope
whatsover that the federal government can ever pay off its debts.
There are all the citizens who did NOT vote for Obama, the fellow who
bowed to the so-called king of the arabs.
Oh, there is more than a disgruntled minority. It is more like a
disgruntled majority.
And now for the history lesson:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights,
that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to
secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving
their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any
form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of
the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government,
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in
such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and
happiness.
From the Declaration of Independence, 1776
Bert Byfield
> that broke the camel's back".
And may well not be.
Klaus Schadenfreude
>
>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote
>in message
>news:rt3455h2dorso86g0...@4ax.com...
>> In talk.politics.guns "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><edi...@netpath.net> wrote in message
>>>news:a530846c-30db-4d82...@a7g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Jul 6, 10:24 am, Klaus Schadenfreude
>>>> <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> First of all, Mitch is a fucking idiot. No government
>>>>> "forfeits it's
>There's the smell of armed insurrection in his post.
>His political views failed to sway the majority of Americans
>both in national and local elections.
>He implies change by other means.
>
Nah, what he'd like is for OTHERS to do the dirty work. Like some of
the other retards around here, lots of talk, and absolutely no action.
Lookout
Israel will be dead in 25 years and you will too?
>http://www.counting.the.days.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
Lookout
<claypo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Schiffner wrote:
>> On Jul 6, 7:26 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Bollocks...you stupid piece of filth.
>>
>>> When a government loses the respect of the people as this one
>>> has, and I'm not just refering to the Obama regime, that government
>>> forfeits it's validity and right to continue.
>>
>> Proof you are stupid also, that reads like you are encouraging
>> insurrection, civil war and treason. A sure sign you want to commit
>> suicide. I spent 20 year defending the constitution and people like
>> you want it gone. That is very unhealthy attitude.
>
>I have yet to see anyone who wants the Constitution gone.
>
>But successive governments have trashed the Constitution, to the point
>that it may as well not be there. For example, FDR created the Social
>Security system - and then only two governments later, it was the
>Eisenhauer administration and Congress that decided to loot and plunder
>the SSA.
>
>It is this last government of Obama's which may well be the "Straw that
>broke the camel's back".
>
>>
>> --
>> Keith
Ya, sure. And the world will end tomorrow.
You're fucking nuts.
Jeff George
september.org:
>
> "Jeff George" <antic...@heaven.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9C408338E12EAg...@62.141.42.83...
>>
>> So? He may be a retard, but there's nothing wrong with
>> insurrection to
>> change a government that has failed its people.
>
> Our government was elected by a majority of Americans.
> Are you saying a minority of disgruntled Americans may over
> throw our government?
>
> Do you understand the meaning of the words in the Pledge of
> Allegiance?
Only Nazis feel the need to pledge their loyalty. Free people do not. I've
never taken a pledge of allegiance to any state and I don't plan on
starting now.
Jeff George
d5c933...@p18g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
> BINGO !! And not just ACORN being involved in the fixing of elections
> but their involvement in the census has ALREADY got mllions of people
> ready with pitchforks,torches and rope.
Not likely.
Jeff George
september.org:
> Our government is not a foreign government.
> It's the government that a majority Americans chose in a
> popular election.
>
> You don't like it? Join a party. Support candidates that
> appeal to you.
> Election day is coming November 2012 for our national
> government.
You might want to try looking up a fella named Thomas Jefferson. You seem
duly unacquainted with him.
Sid9
You might try to understand that Jefferson was speaking, in
the Declaration, about King George who Americans considered
a foreign monarch.
Vito
> You might try to understand that Jefferson was speaking, in the
> Declaration, about King George who Americans considered a foreign monarch.
as now, had been duly elected. Only a minority of "Americans" supported
actual rebellion and then only because they felt driven to it.
Ask our Canadian friends if they consider the Queen a "foreign monarch".
BamaBrian
The world will go on in some form. But it may not include the United
States in its present form.
> You're fucking nuts.
Nope. I stay away from schizi women...
BamaBrian
And that makes a difference just how?
"He has erected a Multitude of new Offices, and sent hither Swarms of
Officers to harass our People and eat out their Substance."
"For imposing Taxes upon us without our Consent."
Sid9
Monarchs are not elected. They inherit their powerr
Americans had been separated from England by 300 years.
American CONSIDERED King George a foreign monarch
Americans had no representation in parliament.
Our government is elected by a majority of those who choose
to vote.
You don�t like it?
Vote next time.
Sid9
"BamaBrian" <claypo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:h2vlfn$fut$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
Libertarian?
No way.
Anarchist!
Sid9
Our government is an elected government by a majority of
those who choose to express their opinion.
Libertarian?
No.
A cover up for Anarchism!
Scout
So, does that alter the principles in the least?
Oh, and how can a nation's own King be "foreign"?
Wouldn't that be like California thinking of Obama as a "foreign
President"???
Hell, for that matter couldn't EVERY state consider the President as a
"foreign President" since he resides in DC?
Please explain this concept of "foreign" of one's own leader and how
exactly it alters the principles set forth by Jefferson.
Scout
Sid9 wrote:
> "Vito" <vi...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:4a53578e$0$5663$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>> "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote
>>> You might try to understand that Jefferson was speaking,
>>> in the Declaration, about King George who Americans
>>> considered a foreign monarch.
>> On the contrary! King George was their lawful king and
>> his government, then as now, had been duly elected. Only
>> a minority of "Americans" supported actual rebellion and
>> then only because they felt driven to it.
>>
>> Ask our Canadian friends if they consider the Queen a
>> "foreign monarch".
>>
>>
>
>
> Monarchs are not elected.
First it's a matter that they are "foreign", now you're backpedaling to
the claim isn't about being elected.
I accept that you conceded the point.
> They inherit their powerr
> Americans had been separated from England by 300 years.
Again, I fail to see how the principles set forth came with a time limit.
> American CONSIDERED King George a foreign monarch
Like I could consider Obama as a "foreign President" since he doesn't
live in my state?
Sorry, he wasn't a foreign monarch, he was THEIR monarch.
> Americans had no representation in parliament.
Sure they did. They just didn't have much say in how that representation
was chosen. I still fail to see how that alters the principles involved.
> Our government is elected by a majority of those who choose
> to vote.
Which is something drastically different than popular support.
> You don�t like it?
>
> Vote next time.
That I can agree with, but it takes much more than that, when the
candidates running are all basically unacceptable. No, it means one must
put considerable effort, and like effort from similarly minded people,
to even get a suitable candidate in place to vote for. While I agree
people need to do more in this respect, it's a monsterious task that
frankly few people have the time, money and drive to do much about.
After all, look at some of the alternative candidates in the last
Presidental election. They couldn't even get in on the Presidental
debates despite some of them being on the ballot in all 50 states and
thus just as much of a candidate as those that did participate. Sorry,
but while I agree not voting is a cop out, I can understand their
position and once the government has lost enough popular support, then
it's time to worry. I will simply note that right now only about 1/3 of
the people support the federal government......Yet King George with only
1/3 of the population supporting his reign was faced with armed rebellion.
The stage is set, it just needs the proper conditions to start it all,
or our leaders can look ahead and see the potential danger and do
something about regaining popular support. Frankly I hope they manage to
regain that support, because armed violence is not something anyone
would want even if you could predict the final results.
Scout
Hmmm.....thinking of Obama and his Czars.
>
> "For imposing Taxes upon us without our Consent."
Wondering when was the last time the Federal government ever put a new
tax to public referendum.
Scout
Yep, and that is, in part, the problem. Our government also needs
popular support, even by those who don't vote. Something they seem to be
rapidly losing.
Vito
>
> Monarchs are not elected. They inherit their powerr
You knowledge is superficial. How many Brit kings have been deposed?
> Americans had been separated from England by 300 years.
1776 -1607 is not 300 years or even 200 years.
> American CONSIDERED King George a foreign monarch
Funny, most of their writings don't say that. Were you there?
> Americans had no representation in parliament.
>
> Our government is elected by a majority of those who choose to vote.
>
> You don�t like it?
>
> Vote next time.
I have voted more often than you have had birthdays.
Do you know how many alieses the current president has used?
I repeat:
Sid9
"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
message news:xqJ4m.20386$_S2....@newsfe17.iad...
How do you propose to get non-voters to vote?
How about a penalty for non-voters
Gray Ghost
september.org:
>
> "Vito" <vi...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:4a53578e$0$5663$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>> "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote
>>> You might try to understand that Jefferson was speaking,
>>> in the Declaration, about King George who Americans
>>> considered a foreign monarch.
>> On the contrary! King George was their lawful king and
>> his government, then as now, had been duly elected. Only
>> a minority of "Americans" supported actual rebellion and
>> then only because they felt driven to it.
>>
>> Ask our Canadian friends if they consider the Queen a
>> "foreign monarch".
>>
>>
>
>
> Monarchs are not elected. They inherit their powerr
> Americans had been separated from England by 300 years.
> American CONSIDERED King George a foreign monarch
> Americans had no representation in parliament.
You do know that initially the Founders still considered King George thier
monarch and that they wanted was a fair shake not to separate.
If nothing else proves it the level of education in this country as provided
by the oublic school system is appallingly low. For all the money dumped into
education, despite a federal cabinet dedicated to it, you don't even know the
origins of your country. Or the spirit that propelled to the center stage of
human history. Or why the current situation does have paralleles to that
time.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history.do?action=Article&id=50884
September 1, 1775
King George refuses Olive Branch Petition
Richard Penn and Arthur Lee, representing the Continental Congress, present
the so-called Olive Branch Petition to the Earl of Dartmouth on this day in
1775. Britain�s King George III, however, refused to receive the petition,
which, written by John Dickinson, appealed directly to the king and expressed
hope for reconciliation between the colonies and Great Britain.
Dickinson, who hoped desperately to avoid a final break with Britain, phrased
colonial opposition to British policy this way: "Your Majesty's Ministers,
persevering in their measures, and proceeding to open hostilities for
enforcing them, have compelled us to arm in our own defence, and have engaged
us in a controversy so peculiarly abhorrent to the affections of your still
faithful Colonists, that when we consider whom we must oppose in this
contest, and if it continues, what may be the consequences, our own
particular misfortunes are accounted by us only as parts of our distress."
By phrasing their discontent this way, Congress attempted to notify the king
that American colonists were unhappy with ministerial policy, not his own.
They then concluded their plea with a final statement of fidelity to the
crown: "That your Majesty may enjoy long and prosperous reign, and that your
descendants may govern your Dominions with honour to themselves and happiness
to their subjects, is our sincere prayer."
>
> Our government is elected by a majority of those who choose
> to vote.
>
> You don�t like it?
>
> Vote next time.
>
>
--
Always remember:
Bull Connor was a Democrat!
Scout
I see, and you consider voting to be a sign of support.
Poor child. No wonder you are so lost and confused.
Sid9
"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
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The Declaration of Independence was a propaganda piece to
get Americans to support the revolution
>
> Oh, and how can a nation's own King be "foreign"?
Americans had been separated from England for 300 years,
George was an inherited monarch in no way selected by
Americans.
Our president is elected by a majority of the Americans to
lead out country.
>
> Wouldn't that be like California thinking of Obama as a
> "foreign President"???
Not at all.
We are "...one nation, INDIVISIBLE, with liberty and justice
for all."
(except for anarchists who promote division)
> Hell, for that matter couldn't EVERY state consider the
> President as a "foreign President" since he resides in DC?
The Civil War settled that...We are "...one nation,
INDIVISIBLE, with liberty and justice for all."
>
> Please explain this concept of "foreign" of one's own
> leader and how exactly it alters the principles set forth
> by Jefferson.
Again...Americans had been seperated from England for 300
years.
Henry
Major General Albert N. Stubblebine III, former head of all
intelligence says that 9-11 was an inside job.
Of course, Bush parroting 9-11 conspiracy cultists will insist
that he too is insane, and that Bush and Cheney have told us the
truth about 9-11....
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14239
--
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://www.journalof911studies.com/
http://www.911truth.org
AudiusAnimus
> On Jul 6, 7:26 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> you want it gone. That is very unhealthy attitude.
>
> Keith
The last soldier who died defending the Constitution did it in 1865
and he wasn't wearing blue.
-AA
Sid9
"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
message news:CnJ4m.20383$_S2....@newsfe17.iad...
>
>
> Sid9 wrote:
>> "Vito" <vi...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:4a53578e$0$5663$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>> "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote
>>>> You might try to understand that Jefferson was
>>>> speaking, in the Declaration, about King George who
>>>> Americans considered a foreign monarch.
>>> On the contrary! King George was their lawful king and
>>> his government, then as now, had been duly elected.
>>> Only a minority of "Americans" supported actual
>>> rebellion and then only because they felt driven to it.
>>>
>>> Ask our Canadian friends if they consider the Queen a
>>> "foreign monarch".
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Monarchs are not elected.
>
> First it's a matter that they are "foreign", now you're
> backpedaling to the claim isn't about being elected.
>
> I accept that you conceded the point.
False....You need to accept that the foreign monarch has an
inherited position AND that he is not elected by any means.
The UNITED States...."One nation INDIVISIBLE, with liberty
and justice for all"
>
>> They inherit their powerr
>> Americans had been separated from England by 300 years.
>
> Again, I fail to see how the principles set forth came
> with a time limit.
>
>> American CONSIDERED King George a foreign monarch
>
> Like I could consider Obama as a "foreign President" since
> he doesn't live in my state?
>
> Sorry, he wasn't a foreign monarch, he was THEIR monarch.
>
>> Americans had no representation in parliament.
>
> Sure they did. They just didn't have much say in how that
> representation was chosen. I still fail to see how that
> alters the principles involved.
>
>> Our government is elected by a majority of those who
>> choose to vote.
>
> Which is something drastically different than popular
> support.
>
>> You don�t like it?
Sid9
"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
message news:mpJ4m.20384$_S2....@newsfe17.iad...
We are a representative type of government..."....one nation
INDIVISIBLE, with liberty and justice for all"
We are a "republic" as many RRRs have constantly reminded
us.
Sid9
If true, irrelevant.
Sid9
"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
message news:W%J4m.16099$iU7....@newsfe01.iad...
Voting is participation in our government.
You express the views of an anarchist.
Sid9
"AudiusAnimus" <audio...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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"One nation INDIVISIBLE with liberty and justice for all"
That was settled in 1865.
We are one nation.
Except to anarchists
Scout
Actually, it was notication to the British government that the
revolution was now offical and supported by the Americans.
>> Oh, and how can a nation's own King be "foreign"?
>
> Americans had been separated from England for 300 years,
Bullshit. The first English settlers didn't come here until 1584, and
they were all lost. The next settlement wasn't until 1607.
Either date you care to use, is still not 300 years. Hell, it's not even
200 years. Are you a government accountant?
> George was an inherited monarch in no way selected by
> Americans.
So?
> Our president is elected by a majority of the Americans to
> lead out country.
Really? Please show where over 50% of the population voted for Obama.
Scout
Sid9 wrote:
> "Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
> message news:WcJ4m.32552$S16....@newsfe23.iad...
<snip items already responded to in earlier message>
>> Wouldn't that be like California thinking of Obama as a
>> "foreign President"???
>
> Not at all.
Really?
>
> We are "...one nation, INDIVISIBLE, with liberty and justice
> for all."
>
> (except for anarchists who promote division)
Yea, I seem to recall the British EMPIRE saying pretty much the same
thing. Yet, you claim that they were "foreigners".
Interesting double standard there. Though I suppose I should have
expected it.
>> Hell, for that matter couldn't EVERY state consider the
>> President as a "foreign President" since he resides in DC?
>
> The Civil War settled that...We are "...one nation,
> INDIVISIBLE, with liberty and justice for all."
Clearly not since we were divided. That we reunited doesn't alter that
fact. Indeed the same could be said for the British Empire, until it too
finally was divided.
>> Please explain this concept of "foreign" of one's own
>> leader and how exactly it alters the principles set forth
>> by Jefferson.
>
>
> Again...Americans had been seperated from England for 300
> years.
IOW, you can't and instead make up crap to suit yourself.
Scout
Sid9 wrote:
> "AudiusAnimus" <audio...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> news:bdaa55f3-8763-4c1b...@l5g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 6, 10:56 am, Schiffner <stevenkei...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Jul 6, 7:26 am, martin <martin.secrest...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> ...I spent 20 year defending the constitution and people
>> like
>>> you want it gone. That is very unhealthy attitude.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Keith
>> The last soldier who died defending the Constitution did
>> it in 1865
>> and he wasn't wearing blue.
>>
>> -AA
>>
>
> "One nation INDIVISIBLE with liberty and justice for all"
Only until we chose to change that. Just as we chose to divide the
British Empire. No nation is "indivisible".
You need quit using wonderful sounding, but meaningless sound bites if
you wish to really support your assertion.
> That was settled in 1865.
Yep, that we can be divided. After all, we were. Sure, there was later a
reunion, but that doesn't alter the fact that a separation of the
Confederate States did occur.
> We are one nation.
Currently
> Except to anarchists
Who knows what the future will hold. I'm sure the Crown thought the
British Empire would last forever as well.
After all, it was claimed that the sun never sets on the British
Empire......and in time that turned out to be false. Just as may any
claim of "indivisibility".
Scout
Sid9 wrote:
> "Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
> message news:CnJ4m.20383$_S2....@newsfe17.iad...
>>
>> Sid9 wrote:
>>> "Vito" <vi...@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4a53578e$0$5663$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>>>> "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote
>>>>> You might try to understand that Jefferson was
>>>>> speaking, in the Declaration, about King George who
>>>>> Americans considered a foreign monarch.
>>>> On the contrary! King George was their lawful king and
>>>> his government, then as now, had been duly elected.
>>>> Only a minority of "Americans" supported actual
>>>> rebellion and then only because they felt driven to it.
>>>>
>>>> Ask our Canadian friends if they consider the Queen a
>>>> "foreign monarch".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Monarchs are not elected.
>> First it's a matter that they are "foreign", now you're
>> backpedaling to the claim isn't about being elected.
>>
>> I accept that you conceded the point.
>
> False....You need to accept that the foreign monarch
Sorry, but you still haven't established that the Crown was a "foreign
monarch".
> has an
> inherited position AND that he is not elected by any means.
So? Does it alter the fact he was their duly appointed leader.
> The UNITED States...."One nation INDIVISIBLE, with liberty
> and justice for all"
"the sun never sets on British Empire"
Equally nice sounding and just about as valid.
Scout
Participation. Support on the other hand doesn't require one to vote.
> You express the views of an anarchist.
On the contrary, I have no desire for anarchy, and simply state how
things ARE. If that makes me sound like an anarchist then things are
worse than I thought.
RD (The Sandman)
a873-947...@l5g2000pra.googlegroups.com:
He was French?
--
Sleep well, tonight........
RD (The Sandman)
" All experience is great provided you live through it.
If it kills you, you have gone too far."
Painter Alice Neel, in the New Yorker.
RD (The Sandman)
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Actually, by about 30% of them. The rest were divided between let's stay
the way we are or dammit just leave me alone.
Jeff George
september.org:
>
> "Jeff George" <antic...@heaven.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9C415C96A29A4g...@62.141.42.83...
>> "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote in
>> news:h2ta3v$kh5$1...@news.eternal-
>> september.org:
>>
>>> Our government is not a foreign government.
>>> It's the government that a majority Americans chose in a
>>> popular election.
>>>
>>> You don't like it? Join a party. Support candidates that
>>> appeal to you.
>>> Election day is coming November 2012 for our national
>>> government.
>>
>> You might want to try looking up a fella named Thomas
>> Jefferson. You seem duly unacquainted with him.
>
> You might try to understand that Jefferson was speaking, in
> the Declaration, about King George who Americans considered
> a foreign monarch.
Irrelevant. Jefferson stated (paraphrased) 'that the tree of Liberty must
be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.'
He believed that the new nation would need a revolution every 80 years or
so.
Sid9
"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
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Irrelevant.
Nobody is prohibited from voting.
Why didn't you vote?
Why didn't the slackers vote?
Perhaps we should make voting mandatory with fines for
failing to vote.
Are you proposing anarchy?
Are you proposing an armed insurrection?
What do you propose?
So far all I see are complaints, grousing, and whining from
the losing party.
Jeff George
$ob....@newsfe13.iad:
> Sid9 wrote:
>> "One nation INDIVISIBLE with liberty and justice for all"
>
> Only until we chose to change that. Just as we chose to divide the
> British Empire. No nation is "indivisible".
>
> You need quit using wonderful sounding, but meaningless sound bites if
> you wish to really support your assertion.
Next it'll be spouting things like:
These colors don't run!
Freedom isn't free!
You know, all the old standard, meaningless things that soccer moms put on
their minivans without having a fucking clue what they are even talking
about.
Sid9
"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
message news:FhL4m.24762$c82....@newsfe08.iad...
>
>
> Sid9 wrote:
>> "Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote
>> in message news:WcJ4m.32552$S16....@newsfe23.iad...
>
>
> <snip items already responded to in earlier message>
>
>>> Wouldn't that be like California thinking of Obama as a
>>> "foreign President"???
>>
>> Not at all.
>
> Really?
Really.
>>
>> We are "...one nation, INDIVISIBLE, with liberty and
>> justice for all."
>>
>> (except for anarchists who promote division)
>
> Yea, I seem to recall the British EMPIRE saying pretty
> much the same thing. Yet, you claim that they were
> "foreigners".
>
> Interesting double standard there. Though I suppose I
> should have expected it.
>
>
>>> Hell, for that matter couldn't EVERY state consider the
>>> President as a "foreign President" since he resides in
>>> DC?
>>
>> The Civil War settled that...We are "...one nation,
>> INDIVISIBLE, with liberty and justice for all."
>
> Clearly not since we were divided. That we reunited
> doesn't alter that fact. Indeed the same could be said for
> the British Empire, until it too finally was divided.
>
>
>>> Please explain this concept of "foreign" of one's own
>>> leader and how exactly it alters the principles set
>>> forth by Jefferson.
>>
>>
>> Again...Americans had been seperated from England for 300
>> years.
>
> IOW, you can't and instead make up crap to suit yourself.
>
What do you propose?
Armed insurrection?
Anarchy?
What?
So far all I see is whining from the losers.
Losers who appear to remain losers for at least the next
eight years.
We are rebuilding domestically.
We have made great strides in foreign affairs.
We have a serious problem from internal terrorism.
Sid9
"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
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What do you propose?
Armed insurrection?
Are you too chicken to type the words?
Lou Stuhle
> "Scout" <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
> messagenews:xqJ4m.20386$_S2....@newsfe17.iad...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Sid9 wrote:
> >> "BamaBrian" <claypoolbr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:h2vlrk$nb6$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
> >>> Sid9 wrote:
> >>>> "Jeff George" <antichr...@heaven.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
You get voters to vote the same way ACORN gets dead voters to vote.
Pay some community organiser to go around gathering "signatures".
Doesn't matter whether they're legal citizens or even have a pulse.
Sid9
"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
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What do you propose?
Are your too chicken to type the words?
Sid9
Are you proposing armed insurrection?
What do you propose?
Are you too chicken to type the words?
Your loyalty to the United States is in serious question
Sid9
"Lou Stuhle" <hoofhe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Vito
> Major General Albert N. Stubblebine III, former head of all intelligence
> says that 9-11 was an inside job.
You'll have to do better than that to counter eye witness accounts.
Fact is Stubblebine led an insignificant *ARMY* intel group (not "all"
intellegence) 16 - 20 years before 9/11 and dabbles in "parapsychology" .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine
"Major General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III was the commanding general
of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to
1984, when he retired from the Army. He is known for his interest in
parapsychology and was a supporter of the Stargate Project.
Stubblebine appeared in the 2006 documentary "One Nation Under Siege"[1]
where he states that a Boeing 757 airplane could not have crashed into The
Pentagon on September 11, 2001. ....
""The Stargate Project[1] was the umbrella code name of one of several
sub-projects established by the U.S. Federal Government to investigate the
reality, and potential military and domestic applications, of psychic
phenomena, particularly "remote viewing:" the purported ability to
psychically "see" events, sites, or information from a great distance.[2]
These projects were active from the 1970s through 1995, and followed up
early psychic research done at The Stanford Research Institute (SRI), The
American Society for Psychical Research, and other psychical research labs"
I assume he learned that no plane hit the pentagon via his "paranormal"
visions.
Gray Ghost
september.org:
Sorry, this comes under the heading of Operational Security. We cannot
discuss what we are proposing. You'll just have to be surprised like everyone
else.
--
Always remember:
Bull Connor was a Democrat!
Lou Stuhle
> "Lou Stuhle" <hoofhearte...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> - Show quoted text -
Let ACORN be in charge of registering people to vote. Hell,the voters
don't even need a pulse. Plus they can "register" multiple times.
Lou Stuhle
wrote:
> "Sid9" <si...@bellsouth.net> wrote innews:h302g2$fdp$1...@news.eternal-
> september.org:
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>
>
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>
>
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> > "Scout" <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
> > messagenews:CoL4m.23139$ob....@newsfe13.iad...
>
> >> Sid9 wrote:
> >>> "AudiusAnimus" <audioani...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
Hell,poor braindead sid is "surprised" every time he wakes up and
isn't wearing a toetag !! He's older than dirt FFS !!! (and just about
as smart)
> --
> Always remember:
>
> Bull Connor was a Democrat!- Hide quoted text -
Hiccum Blurpaedius
> On Jul 5, 6:49 pm, Iconoclast <iconocl...@nym.hush.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > This is a very reassuring message from a police officer, and it's good
> > to know that some police officers are thinking about the future
> > contingencies of this rogue administration, but what if forces from
> > the United Nation's or some other foreign regime are dispatched to
> > take our guns. Will you be ready to rumble?
> > Will you be willing to lose everything as our founding fathers did, as
> > we commemorate this Independence Day.
>
> > Happy Holiday - remember, freedom is not free !
>
> > Icon
>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > If you aren't familiar with Pat Dollard, please get enlightened. Lest
> > you think this is just "hype", I will attest to the fact that this IS
> > the talk underground. Please prepare yourselves and remember that
> > Independence Day must never be taken for granted. God bless the USA.
>
> > Steph
>
> > Note From a Cop
>
> > The fear on the street is palpable. Ever since the election of Barack
> > Obama as President of these United States in November 2008, coupled
> > with the election of a democrat party majority in both the U.S. House
> > and Senate, concern for the United States and personal safety has
> > ignited like a fire in dry grass.
>
> > Sales of guns – black guns, rifles, shotguns and handguns
> > (particularly 9mm) everywhere, have gone through the roof. AR15s have
> > literally flown off of dealer shelves, and only now in the spring of
> > 2009, have I seen the display samples of ARs begin to reappear on the
> > wall of my favorite shooting emporium after the initial post election
> > rush.
>
> > Manufacturers of ARs are still working to catch up and some of the
> > major suppliers are as much as 150,000 guns behind. Not only that,
> > ammo is in the shortest supply I have ever seen in the 43 years of my
> > shooting life. Have you recently tried to get 5.56mm, 9mm or even 380
> > ammo?
>
> > Supplies of 5.56mm and 9mm ammo are in short supply due to the black
> > gun buying craze; .380ACP because of the rise in people getting
> > concealed carry permits and the resurgence of interest in convenient
> > 380 handguns like the fine Ruger LCP. In fact, in doing a review of
> > the Ruger LCP, my gun store only had a small supply of ONE .380 round
> > on hand, the Winchesters 95-grain SXT, which they had just gotten in.
> > Unfortunately, I had to do a 30-round review of that pistol. There was
> > none other to be=2 0found.
>
> > What is odd about this new fear is that it is not coming from the
> > average citizen gun owner out there, but it is coming from what to me
> > is an almost shocking source: street cops.
>
> > Street cops and SWAT cops that I know from various agencies – rural,
> > suburban and metro – in my area are scared. Cops that before November
> > 2008 never gave much thought (that I knew of anyway) to politics or
> > more
> > importantly to gun rights. For the most part, these are the guys that
> > didn’t generally have any interest in shooting or gun ownership beyond
> > keeping track of where their duty gun is, and a few of them didn’t
> > even do that so well.
>
> > The guys I am talking about now are some of the same guys who used to
> > not even carry off duty on a regular basis- but not anymore. They
> > don’t scare easily, defenders of the Constitution of this State and
> > the United States (as our oath of office reads), have been buying ARs,
> > survival gear, and all the ammo they can lay their hands on. All of
> > them (or I should say “us”) have been discussing and have been
> > acquiring guns to provide a layered perimeter defense.
>
> > What are we suddenly so afraid of? Well in our discussions it seems to
> > boil down to four areas.
>
> > First, fear of federal government intrusion into our lives. Every time
> > I look at or listen to the news, there is something new and intrusive
> > coming out of the Obama administration and this Congress . New tax
> > schemes, government-run Canadian-style healthcare, a volunteer citizen
> > defense force (whatever that is, what happened to the National Guard?)
> > equipped with funding similar to our military, forced voluntary
> > “service” after retirement, a lack of a southern border with hordes of
> > illegal and criminal aliens pouring over our border, the swine flu
> > scare as well as government forced closing of thousands of privately
> > held Chrysler and GM dealerships, which will be the final nail in the
> > coffin for these companies and the list goes on and on.
>
> > But these items in the news are just the tip of the iceberg. We can’t
> > see the full impact of these actions yet, but we don’t know what was
> > added into the thousand of pages of stimulus package bills in the dead
> > of night yet. I predict however that when the plans contained in the
> > stimulus packages go into effect, a lot of us are going to be
> > surprised if not shocked by what has suddenly and sweepingly changed.
>
> > What also scares us is the second, well-founded fear that there is an
> > assault weapons ban looming, one that would make the Clinton Ban
> > appear like a look of disdain in comparison. I remember well the 1990s
> > and the Clinton years: the rise of militia groups, the “black
> > helicopter” rumors and paranoia, all of which was motivated by the
> > Brady Law and the Assault Weapon’s ban. What if a new ban comes
> > requiring registration or confiscation and turn-in of banned weapons
> > as what happened in Australia?
>
> > …I foresee much civil disobedience coming down the road. Americans are
> > citizens, and not subjects like the British, Canadians or Australians.
> > They just don’t always obey the law blindly and not one officer or
> > citizen that I spoke to said anything like “I hope I get to keep this
> > gun for awhile before they are banned; They are fun to shoot, so I
> > would hate to give it up.” It isn’t going to happen, so the cop on the
> > street and the soldier on the base needs to think now what he will do
> > if the orders come down. I think you all get what I am saying here.
>
> > Which leads me to the third fear, that there is a revolution coming,
> > yes, a revolution on the scale of the original American Revolution.
> > You can hear this topic discussed on many of the talk radio shows by
> > even the big name hosts. The possibility of an armed revolution
> > against the U.S. government being discussed, albeit very gingerly and
> > fleetingly and as something to be avoided, which it is. I never heard
> > this mentioned in the 90s. One of my quietest, low profile officer
> > friends brought it up the other day.
>
> >http://patdollard.com/2009/07/note-from-a-cop/
>
> >http://www.rescuewithoutborders.org/id286.html
>
> When a government loses the respect of the people as this one
> has, and I'm not just refering to the Obama regime, that government
> forfeits it's validity and right to continue.
>
> Mitch
Republicunnues need their heads bashed in
Sid9
"Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com> wrote in
message
news:Xns9C41A11033681We...@216.196.97.142...
Remember your buddy and co-conspirator Timmy McVeigh?
Would you the electric chair? Gas chamber? Hanging? Firing
Squad?
The Feds have it all...perhaps you would find some of
Cheney's torture chambers attractive, too.
Sid9
The fake ones NEVER get to vote...the system is too smart
for fakes.
How do you propose to get non-voters to vote?
(Your friends, I mean.....not the real Americans that Acorn
registers)
Sid9
How's you old pal Timmy McVeigh?
He got what traitors get.
RD (The Sandman)
Are you prepared to lead the new revolution?
RD (The Sandman)
september.org:
For citing Jefferson?
RD (The Sandman)
> Scout <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
> news:CoL4m.23139 $ob....@newsfe13.iad:
>
>> Sid9 wrote:
>>> "One nation INDIVISIBLE with liberty and justice for all"
>>
>> Only until we chose to change that. Just as we chose to divide the
>> British Empire. No nation is "indivisible".
>>
>> You need quit using wonderful sounding, but meaningless sound bites
>> if you wish to really support your assertion.
>
> Next it'll be spouting things like:
>
> These colors don't run!
>
> Freedom isn't free!
>
> You know, all the old standard, meaningless things that soccer moms
> put on their minivans without having a fucking clue what they are even
> talking about.
Interesting how many people spout patriotic sounding statements without
realizing what must really be there to back them up.
Gray Ghost
news:h30a1s$2oo$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
If I had a compatriot like McVeigh I would have shot him myself. Has he come
to me with his plan, I would have turned him down flat becuase of the
collateral damage that it would have inflicted. And had he continued to work
on it after being turned down Imwould have had him shot for insubordiation.
McVeigh may have had righteous anger over Waco and Ruby Ridge as many did. He
may have been right in targeting the OKC ATF office as the origin point of
the Waco raid and therefore a legitimate target. McVeigh was wrong beyonf
words for killing noncombatants - women and children who had nothing to do
with it. He was a criminal and a fool.
But you're assuming the federal govt will retain sufficient control to impose
themselves on the dissenters.
Lou Stuhle
>
> - Show quoted text -
If I send you my address will you come bash my head in ??? Huh? HUH??
HUH?? WILLYA' ??? HUH?? HUH?? WILLYA?? I'll leave the light on fer'
ya'. Btw,bring that fucking little dreads wearing dwarf negro faggot
robw with you. I can get you two tough talking drooling idiots with
one load of "OO" buck !!!