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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
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9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
FLIGHT DECK DOOR CLOSED FOR ENTIRE FLIGHT
(PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Newly decoded data provided by an independent
researcher and computer programmer from Australia exposes alarming
evidence that the reported hijacking aboard American Airlines Flight 77
was impossible to have existed. A data parameter labeled "FLT DECK DOOR",
cross checks with previously decoded data obtained by Pilots For 9/11
Truth from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) through the
Freedom Of Information Act.
On the morning of September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight 77
departed Dulles International Airport bound for Los Angeles at 8:20 am
Eastern Time. According to reports and data, a hijacking took place
between 08:50:54 and 08:54:11[1] in which the hijackers allegedly crashed
the aircraft into the Pentagon at 09:37:45. Reported by CNN, according to
Ted Olson, wife Barbara Olson had called him from the reported flight
stating, "...all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots,
were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers..."[2]. However,
according to Flight Data provided by the NTSB, the Flight Deck Door was
never opened in flight. How were the hijackers able to gain access to the
cockpit, remove the pilots, and navigate the aircraft to the Pentagon if
the Flight Deck Door remained closed?[3]
Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is a growing organization
of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has
analyzed Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
for the Pentagon Attack, the events in Shanksville, PA and the World
Trade Center attack. The data does not support the government story. The
NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not offer theory or
point blame at this point in time. However, there is a growing mountain
of conflicting information and data in which government agencies and
officials along with Mainstream Media refuse to acknowledge. Pilots For
9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow.
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And the pathetic govt shills can only respond with "only kooks believe in
conspiracies."
HAHAHAHA
Mitchell Holman
news:Xns9CD1C856C630Ar...@216.168.3.70:
If the people on those airplanes didn't die in
the 9/11 attack then where are they?
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
news:Xns9CD1D86193539...@216.196.97.130:
>
>
> If the people on those airplanes didn't die in
> the 9/11 attack then where are they?
>
What a stupid question???? You don't even understand the issue here. The
5gon was hit by a guided missile or something like that. There was no
flight 77 and it was all just a cover story.
W^3
> Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:Xns9CD1D86193539...@216.196.97.130:
>
>
> >
> >
> > If the people on those airplanes didn't die in
> > the 9/11 attack then where are they?
> >
>
>
> What a stupid question???? You don't even understand the issue here. The
> 5gon was hit by a guided missile or something like that.
A space energy beam that ignited nano-thermite pixie-dust perhaps?
> There was no
> flight 77 and it was all just a cover story.
No flight 77? So the masterminds behind the grand conspiracy want the
world to believe flt 77 - which didn't exist - was hijacked, and then
concocted fake flight data that proves there was no hijacking? You
make a brick shithouse look smart.
Al Dykes
>
>9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
>FLIGHT DECK DOOR CLOSED FOR ENTIRE FLIGHT
>
>(PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Newly decoded data provided by an independent
>researcher and computer programmer from Australia exposes alarming
>evidence that the reported hijacking aboard American Airlines Flight 77
>was impossible to have existed. A data parameter labeled "FLT DECK DOOR",
How do you explain the fact that 100 tons of aircraft wreckage that
could only be Flight 77 was found INSIDE the Pentagon along with body
parts that later DNA analysis identified as ALL the passengers and
crew that boarded the plane an hour earlier? FDR data and radar data
is consistent with the published path of Flight 77.
As for this silly claim, the FDR shows that the door had never been
opened in the 40 hours of flight data stored in it. This would
indicate that the most likely explanation was that the door sensor was
not in use on that version of aircraft.
This is written by someone that works on large-jet electronics. His
claim can be discusseed via the lonk, below.
"... the FAA mandates 70 [FDR data values] , I believe. Its up to
the airlines if they want to record other params. The vast majority
are just open, not wired to the systems that they are supposed to
record. This one just happens to support Balsawood Bobs newest
snakeoil scheme. "
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5354984#post5354984
--
Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail
Al Dykes
How do you explain the 100 tons of 757 wreckage found inside the
Pentagon along with body parts that DNA showed to be all the
passengers and crew that boarded Flight 77 an hour earlier?
No missile exists (other than a nuke) that has one percent of the
destructiove power of a 757 loaded with thousands of gallons of gas
going 500MPH.
Warheads go BOOM. Nobody heard BOOM at the Pentagon on 9/11.
In any case, this post is in response to a post from Speedy, a k00k
that claims that big airplanes crash into big buildings "lots of
times".
Said by Speedy, a k00k that claims that big airplanes crash into big
buildings "lots of times".
In article <Xns9B68DAD774DA8r...@216.168.3.70>,
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <Xns9B6883CB5863Ar...@216.168.3.70>,
>> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anybody see buildings plowed into by jet airliners (or gouged by
>>>> falling debris) that managed to stand? (ESB doesn't count, it wasn't
>>>> plowed into by a jet airliner)
>>>>
>>>Hell yes. Lots of buildings have been hit by planes and withstood it.
>>
>> "Lots"?
>>
>> Name another building hit by an airplane.
>>
>
>Hey stupid. It's happened lots of times.
Name one, not including WTC1 and 2 and the Empire State Building.
Speeders and Drunk Drivers R Regular Folks
You just don't understand - pathetic, really.
There were never any World Trade Towers EVER. All these greedy real
estate executives were collecting rent on office space that was non-
existent. And the whole scheme was beginning to crumble.
So the greedy real estate executives made an appeal for help to the
Bush administration. And thusly the problem was solved via the 911
event and the greedy real estate executives were then able to collect
insurance settlements on the buildings on which they were receiving
rent (and obviously never spent any money to build).
I just can't believe that you don't understand this. It is SO OBVIOUS
to anyone willing to look at the truth.
Regular Guy
Sid Vicious
Actually, there is no Pentagon.
It's just a clever hollywood prop.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
>
> How do you explain the 100 tons of 757 wreckage found inside the
> Pentagon along with body parts that DNA showed to be all the
> passengers and crew that boarded Flight 77 an hour earlier?
>
You're lying again. We've never been shown the wreckage because the
govt says the plane was vaporized!!! Even the engine is gone. But
they found the bodies.!!
HAHAHA
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
HAHAHA. You planted govt shills are so obvious.
Al Dykes
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Everything you know about 9/11 is wrong.
Anyone that wants to know what happened at the Pentagon starting
seconds before the impact is recommended to this excellent book.
_Firefight: Inside the Battle to Save the Pentagon on 9/11_
150 interviews with participants and eye-witnesses
bkn...@conramp.net
>In article <b04b08d7-87fe-4676...@g22g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <bet...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>On Nov 29, 5:01=A0am, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> How do you explain the 100 tons of 757 wreckage found inside the
>>> Pentagon along with body parts that DNA showed to be all the
>>> passengers and crew that boarded Flight 77 an hour earlier?
>>>
>>
>>You're lying again. We've never been shown the wreckage because the
>>govt says the plane was vaporized!!! Even the engine is gone. But
>>they found the bodies.!!
>
>
>
>Everything you know about 9/11 is wrong.
>
>Anyone that wants to know what happened at the Pentagon starting
>seconds before the impact is recommended to this excellent book.
>
>
> _Firefight: Inside the Battle to Save the Pentagon on 9/11_
> 150 interviews with participants and eye-witnesses
You can give all of the truths possible, but you're fighting a losing
battle with this idiot. He never fails to make a fool of himself.
This takes the cake though.
BK
Al Dykes
I do this for the lurkers. They all know that Speedy and all the other
9/11 k00ks are wrong but probably don't have any specifics to support
their belief.
bkn...@conramp.net
<clip>
>>>Everything you know about 9/11 is wrong.
>>>
>>>Anyone that wants to know what happened at the Pentagon starting
>>>seconds before the impact is recommended to this excellent book.
>>>
>>>
>>> _Firefight: Inside the Battle to Save the Pentagon on 9/11_
>>> 150 interviews with participants and eye-witnesses
>>
>>You can give all of the truths possible, but you're fighting a losing
>>battle with this idiot. He never fails to make a fool of himself.
>>This takes the cake though.
>>
>>BK
>
>
>I do this for the lurkers. They all know that Speedy and all the other
>9/11 k00ks are wrong but probably don't have any specifics to support
>their belief.
I understand, but anyone with a modicum of common sense should know
this bimbo is spewing crap. Otherwise they too are beyond help.
BK
Mitchell Holman
Here is a partial list of the people in question.
If they didn't die in the 9/11 attack then where are they?
CAPTAIN CHARLES BURLINGAME, 51, pilot, graduate of the U.S. Naval
Academy,
flew fighter planes off the U.S.S. Saratoga.
DAVID CHARLEBOIS, Washington, D.C., first officer
MICHELLE HEIDENBERGER, 57, Chevy Chase, Md., flight attendant.
JENNIFER LEWIS, 38, Culpepper, Va., flight attendant
KENNETH LEWIS, 49, Culpepper, Va., flight attendant
RENEE MAY, 39, Baltimore, Md., flight attendant
Passengers:
DR. PAUL AMBROSE, 32, physician.
YEMEN BETRU, 35, Burbank, Calif., director of medical affairs for
hospital
services company IPC
M.J. BOOTH
BERNARD BROWN, 11, student, Leckie Elementary School in Washington
SUZANNE CALLEY, 42, San Martin, Calif., employee of Cisco Systems Inc.
WILLIAM CASWELL, 54, Silver Spring, Md., physicist, Navy
SARAH CLARK, 65, Columbia, Md., sixth-grade teacher, Backus Middle School
in
Washington
ZANDRA COOPER, Annandale, Va.
ASIA COTTOM, 11, student at Backus Elementary School in Washington, D.C.
JAMES DEBEUNEURE, 58, Upper Marlboro, Md., fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham
Elementary School in Washington, D.C.
RODNEY DICKENS, 11, student, Ketcham Elementary School in Washington,
D.C.
EDDIE DILLARD
CHARLES DROZ, 52, Springfield, Va., vice president for software
development,
EM Solutions Inc.
BARBARA G. EDWARDS, 58, Las Vegas, school teacher at Palo Verde High
School
in Las Vegas
CHARLES S. FALKENBERG, 45, University Park, Md., director of research at
ECOlogic Corp., in Herndon, Va.
DANA FALKENBERG, 3, University Park, Md.
ZOE FALKENBERG, 8, University Park, Md.
JAMES JOE FERGUSON, 39, District of Columbia, education outreach director
of
National Geographic Society
WILLIAM "BUD" FLAGG, Millwood, Va., retired Navy admiral and pilot for
American Airlines
DARLENE "DEE" FLAGG, Millwood, Va.
RICHARD P. GABRIEL SR., 54, Great Falls, Va., managing partner, Stratin
Consulting
IAN GRAY, 55, Washington, D.C., president of healthcare consulting firm
STANLEY HALL, 68, Rancho Palos Verdes, Calif., Raytheon Co.
BRYAN JACK, 48, Alexandria, Va., senior executive at Defense Department
STEVEN D. "JAKE" JACOBY, 43, Alexandria, Va., chief operating officer,
Metrocall Inc.
ANN JUDGE, 49, Great Falls, Va., travel officer manager, National
Geographic
Society
CHANDLER KELLER, 29, of El Segundo, Calif., was a propulsion engineer for
Boeing Satellite Systems and got married last year. Chandler's parents,
Richard and Kathy, live in Del Mar.
YVONNE KENNEDY
NORMA KHAN, 45, Reston, Va., manager of a nonprofit organization
KAREN A. KINCAID, 40, lawyer with the Washington, D.C. law firm of Wiley
Rein & Fielding.
DONG LEE, 48, Leesburg, Va., engineer, Boeing Inc.
DORA MENCHACA, 45, Santa Monica, Calif., associate director of clinical
research for biotech firm
CHRISTOPHER NEWTON, 38, Arlington, Va., executive, Work Life Benefits
BARBARA OLSON, 45, was the wife of U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson.
Howard Brazee
>How do you explain the 100 tons of 757 wreckage found inside the
>Pentagon along with body parts that DNA showed to be all the
>passengers and crew that boarded Flight 77 an hour earlier?
>
>No missile exists (other than a nuke) that has one percent of the
>destructiove power of a 757 loaded with thousands of gallons of gas
>going 500MPH.
Conspiracy theorists can explain anything. The #1 tool is denial. If
the military, the politicians, the press, and the people who were
there agree on something which counters the conspiracy - then
obviously the conspiracy is real, real big.
It would be nice in a way to believe in such competence. The
ability to control such a conspiracy is incredible, from what I know
of managers and The Peter Principle.
--
"In no part of the constitution is more wisdom to be found,
than in the clause which confides the question of war or peace
to the legislature, and not to the executive department."
- James Madison
Carbon
> Conspiracy theorists can explain anything. The #1 tool is denial. If
> the military, the politicians, the press, and the people who were
> there agree on something which counters the conspiracy - then
> obviously the conspiracy is real, real big.
>
> It would be nice in a way to believe in such competence. The
> ability to control such a conspiracy is incredible, from what I know
> of managers and The Peter Principle.
Agreed. It doesn't seem possible to me that a conspiracy of this
magnitude could have been pulled off, especially by the likes of the
Bush administration. To me, the incompetence theory will always be the
much more plausible explanation.
Mitchell Holman
$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com:
> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:56:31 -0700, Howard Brazee wrote:
>
>> Conspiracy theorists can explain anything. The #1 tool is denial. If
>> the military, the politicians, the press, and the people who were
>> there agree on something which counters the conspiracy - then
>> obviously the conspiracy is real, real big.
>>
>> It would be nice in a way to believe in such competence. The
>> ability to control such a conspiracy is incredible, from what I know
>> of managers and The Peter Principle.
>
> Agreed. It doesn't seem possible to me that a conspiracy of this
> magnitude could have been pulled off, especially by the likes of the
> Bush administration.
If Karl Rove was part of this he would have placed
Bush anywhere but reading a childrens book, on camera,
at the time of the attack.
> To me, the incompetence theory will always be the
> much more plausible explanation.
There is no need for a conspiracy to explain
Bush's incompetence.
"They want the federal government controlling Social
Security like it's some kind of federal program."
George W. Bush, November 2, 2000
Demon Buddha
> There was no
> flight 77 and it was all just a cover story.
Was there also no flight 93?
tankfixer
@yahoo.com says...
I have to agreee with Mitch and ask, where did the people go ?
Bama Brian
Lessee now. Flight 77 hit the Pentagon at a flying speed, which for a
bird that size, means somewhere over 200 mph, or over 300 fps. The
resulting crash resulted in a fireball that incinerated the shredded
remains of the victims. Like the Twin Towers, literally thousands of
gallons of jet fuel were involved in the fire.
Whatever was left of any individual person might be buried in a
teaspoon. Still, there were charred bodies recovered.
There WERE witnesses to the path of the aircraft as it flew up the
Potomac at low levels, witnesses to the crash itself, and jet motors and
other jet aircraft debris found in the wreckage of the building. And at
one VERY speed blurred surveillance video showing the aircraft on its
final rendezvous.
Start here:
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary
IOW, it wasn't a missile. Thinking so leads to madness. One might as
well believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus.
--
Cheers,
Bama Brian
Libertarian
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana, 1863 - 1952
Jim Alder
> tankfixer wrote:
>> xeton2001 @yahoo.com says...
>>> Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If the people on those airplanes didn't die in
>>>> the 9/11 attack then where are they?
>>>
>>> What a stupid question???? You don't even understand the issue here. The
>>> 5gon was hit by a guided missile or something like that. There was no
>>> flight 77 and it was all just a cover story.
>>
>> I have to agree with Mitch and ask, where did the people go ?
>
> Lessee now. Flight 77 hit the Pentagon at a flying speed, which for a
> bird that size, means somewhere over 200 mph, or over 300 fps. The
> resulting crash resulted in a fireball that incinerated the shredded
> remains of the victims. Like the Twin Towers, literally thousands of
> gallons of jet fuel were involved in the fire.
I think you're misunderstanding the question. They're saying that if the
denyers are right and Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon at all, or didn't
exist at all, then where are the 60 or so people listed as killed in the
crash? Did the conspirators have them killed? Did they ever exist at all? And
if not, why did no one notice that they had imaginary co-workers of neighbors
when they saw the address or where they worked?
If the pilots names were imaginary, why did no other pilots notice that
they'd never heard of them? Same for the stewardesses/attendants.
--
My girlfriend asked me "Have you been having
sex behind my back?"
I said "Who in the hell did you think it was?"
Gray Ghost
news:Xns9CD4A3A656A5C...@216.196.97.142:
From Wiki
Theodore Bevry Olson (born September 11, 1940) was the 42nd United States
Solicitor General, serving from June 2001 to July 2004. He is a major figure
in the conservative legal movement. Olson's third wife[6], Barbara K. Olson,
was a passenger on the hijacked American Airlines Flight 77 that crashed into
the Pentagon on September 11, 2001 (his 61st birthday).
He spoke to her before she died, on her cell phone.
I suppose she was fictional, too, and Ted was in on it.
Or maybe he orchestrated the whole thing to get rid of his wife! Yeah that's
it!
--
Al Gore didn't invent the internet, but he did invent Global Warming.
Jim Alder
news:Xns9CD4D34062F08We...@216.196.97.142:
Now you're getting the idea. You have to understand that this travesty
happened "on Bush's watch" so the hatemongering Left is aching for some kind
of conspiracy even if they have to make it up.
I found one website of denyers who talked about the suspicious nature of
the passenger list for 77. They pointed out the occupations being somewhat
impressive - an engineer for an aerospace firm, a few military names, etc.
They listed eleven of the fifty-some passengers, ignoring teachers, children
and the rest. It was pathetic.
pyotr filipivich
Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:00:26 -0600 did write/type or cause to appear in
talk.politics.guns the following:
>grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost):
I'm "amused" that the very same people who will claim that the
Government is competent enough to pull this off, and maintain the
cover up for all these years, yet the "truthers" are able to find it
all out, and nobody has come to take them away in the middle of the
night and make them "disappear" in to the night and fog and become
unpersons.
Unless the "truthers" are really part of the disinformation
campaign to cover up the conspiracy, and really are working for Karl
Rove and Dick Cheney...
tschus
pyotr
Catl announced that due to exhaustion, he would be forced to cancel
his appearance on the World Red Herring Wrestling Federation Main Event
with the following press release:
Gray Ghost
news:8bdch5153nbn7fvk1...@4ax.com:
And even more amusing is the how they continuoudly castigate Bush for being a
dolt, but somehow he was able to engineer this in just 8 months. No, wait, it
was Cheney, the man behind the curtain.
And now that you know who is President, you'd think the truth would be
revealed. Unless he's in on it, too.
Bama Brian
Not to mention a missing jet aircraft worth perhaps a hundred million or
so. But then I heard Cheney hisself flew the jet away and hid it...
BTW, if I responded to a tongue-in-cheek remark, you're right. I
misunderstood.
The Conspiracy Theorists are Paranoids coming out of the closets.
It is right to be suspicious of the fedgov; indeed few, if any,
governments are trustworthy. Ultimately none do what they are told.
Note there WAS a 9/11 conspiracy perpetrated by a number of Muslims,
likely including bin Laden; but I don't believe for an instant that the
fedgov was invited to the party.
Jim Alder
>>> Or maybe he orchestrated the whole thing to get rid of his wife! Yeah
that's
>>> it!
>>
>> Now you're getting the idea. You have to understand that this travesty
>>happened "on Bush's watch" so the hatemongering Left is aching for some kind
>>of conspiracy even if they have to make it up.
>>
>> I found one website of denyers who talked about the suspicious nature of
>>the passenger list for 77. They pointed out the occupations being somewhat
>>impressive - an engineer for an aerospace firm, a few military names, etc.
>>They listed eleven of the fifty-some passengers, ignoring teachers, children
>>and the rest. It was pathetic.
>
> I'm "amused" that the very same people who will claim that the
> Government is competent enough to pull this off, and maintain the
> cover up for all these years, yet the "truthers" are able to find it
> all out, and nobody has come to take them away in the middle of the
> night and make them "disappear" in to the night and fog and become
> unpersons.
> Unless the "truthers" are really part of the disinformation
> campaign to cover up the conspiracy, and really are working for Karl
> Rove and Dick Cheney...
Conspiracy theory is not an exact science, so they figure they're safe. Or
maybe they don't even believe it themselves. The object is to find as many
clues as possible while ignoring those things that fly in the face of your
theory.
Jim Alder
> And even more amusing is how they continuously castigate Bush for being a
> dolt, but somehow he was able to engineer this in just 8 months. No, wait,
it
> was Cheney, the man behind the curtain.
I thought Karl Rove was the mastermind of all things Bush related? But I
know what you mean. It was almost fun to watch Bush go from monkey to
mastermind and back in a day or two. You can do thst when you are configuring
your own reality in your mind.
> And now that you know who is President, you'd think the truth would be
> revealed. Unless he's in on it, too.
The truth is, they will welcome with open arms anyone with a D behind
their name, no matter what he or she does or doesn't do.
Jim Alder
Nah, it was Rove.
> BTW, if I responded to a tongue-in-cheek remark, you're right. I
> misunderstood.
Not tongue in cheek, so much, but a "where are the people who DIDN'T
die?", not "what happened to the bodies?"
> The Conspiracy Theorists are Paranoids coming out of the closets.
In this case, most certainly. Not that there aren't real conspiracies to
be found, but this ain't one of them.
> It is right to be suspicious of the fedgov; indeed few, if any,
> governments are trustworthy. Ultimately none do what they are told.
> Note there WAS a 9/11 conspiracy perpetrated by a number of Muslims,
> likely including bin Laden; but I don't believe for an instant that the
> fedgov was invited to the party.
No, that's pretty ridiculous as evidenced by the many statements of
ignorance and evasion coming from the proponents. It actually gets quite
laughable when you get into their ramblings.
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- Albert Einstein -
RD (The Sandman)
Most of that conspiracy shit is.
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Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
Let's see if I have this healthcare thingy right. Congress is to pass
a plan written by a committee whose head has said he doesn't understand
it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it, signed by a president who
hasn't read it, with funding administered by a Treasury chief who didn't
pay his taxes because he didn't understand TurboTax, overseen by an obese
Surgeon General and financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What could possibly go wrong?
pyotr filipivich
talk.politics.guns the following:
>grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote
>> pyotr filipivich <ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> Let the Record show that Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> on or about
>>> Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:00:26 -0600 did write/type or cause to appear in
>>> talk.politics.guns the following:
>>>>grey_ghost47...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost):
>>>>> Jim Alder <jim
>> dolt, but somehow he was able to engineer this in just 8 months. No, wait,
>> it was Cheney, the man behind the curtain.
>
> I thought Karl Rove was the mastermind of all things Bush related? But I
>know what you mean. It was almost fun to watch Bush go from monkey to
>mastermind and back in a day or two. You can do thst when you are configuring
>your own reality in your mind.
Ah, but just who is Karl Rove? Notice how he appears on the scene
just after Lee Atwater "dies". Right, and Atwater came on the scene
when? Shortly after Elvis is suppose to have died.
>
>> And now that you know who is President, you'd think the truth would be
>> revealed. Unless he's in on it, too.
>
> The truth is, they will welcome with open arms anyone with a D behind
>their name, no matter what he or she does or doesn't do.
Too true.
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pyotr filipivich
"If 9/11 was really an inside job, you wouldn't be driving around
with a bumper sticker bragging that you were on to it." Mark Steyn, Oct 27, 2007
Jim Alder
news:Xns9CD592816...@216.196.97.130:
> Jim Alder <jima...@ssnet.com> wrote:
>
>> I found one website of denyers who talked about the suspicious
>> nature of
>> the passenger list for 77. They pointed out the occupations being
>> somewhat impressive - an engineer for an aerospace firm, a few
>> military names, etc. They listed eleven of the fifty-some passengers,
>> ignoring teachers, children and the rest. It was pathetic.
>
> Most of that conspiracy shit is.
I don't know about "most" but certainly a lot of it is. I wonder how much
of them are smokescreens for the 'real' conspiracies - and which ones those
are.
Scout
> In article <Xns9CD1C856C630Ar...@216.168.3.70>,
> Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS <xeto...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18405
>>
>> 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
>> FLIGHT DECK DOOR CLOSED FOR ENTIRE FLIGHT
>>
>> (PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Newly decoded data provided by an
>> independent researcher and computer programmer from Australia
>> exposes alarming evidence that the reported hijacking aboard
>> American Airlines Flight 77 was impossible to have existed. A data
>> parameter labeled "FLT DECK DOOR",
>
>
>
> How do you explain the fact that 100 tons of aircraft wreckage that
> could only be Flight 77 was found INSIDE the Pentagon along with body
> parts that later DNA analysis identified as ALL the passengers and
> crew that boarded the plane an hour earlier? FDR data and radar data
> is consistent with the published path of Flight 77.
>
> As for this silly claim, the FDR shows that the door had never been
> opened in the 40 hours of flight data stored in it. This would
> indicate that the most likely explanation was that the door sensor was
> not in use on that version of aircraft.
>
> This is written by someone that works on large-jet electronics. His
> claim can be discusseed via the lonk, below.
>
> "... the FAA mandates 70 [FDR data values] , I believe. Its up to
> the airlines if they want to record other params. The vast majority
> are just open, not wired to the systems that they are supposed to
> record. This one just happens to support Balsawood Bobs newest
> snakeoil scheme. "
>
> http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5354984#post5354984
It should be noted that these are the post 2002 rules changes. Prior to 2002
the FAA mandated anywhere between 11 and 29 parameters to be monitored and
NONE were "Flight Deck Door - Open/Closed"
Scout
> http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18405
>
> 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
> FLIGHT DECK DOOR CLOSED FOR ENTIRE FLIGHT
>
> (PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Newly decoded data provided by an
> independent researcher and computer programmer from Australia exposes
> alarming evidence that the reported hijacking aboard American
> Airlines Flight 77 was impossible to have existed. A data parameter
> obtained by Pilots For 9/11 Truth from the National Transportation
> Safety Board (NTSB) through the Freedom Of Information Act.
>
> On the morning of September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight 77
> departed Dulles International Airport bound for Los Angeles at 8:20 am
> Eastern Time. According to reports and data, a hijacking took place
> between 08:50:54 and 08:54:11[1] in which the hijackers allegedly
> crashed the aircraft into the Pentagon at 09:37:45. Reported by CNN,
> according to Ted Olson, wife Barbara Olson had called him from the
> reported flight stating, "...all passengers and flight personnel,
> including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed
> hijackers..."[2]. However, according to Flight Data provided by the
> NTSB, the Flight Deck Door was never opened in flight. How were the
> hijackers able to gain access to the cockpit, remove the pilots, and
> navigate the aircraft to the Pentagon if the Flight Deck Door
> remained closed?[3]
Please provide any source that shows the condition of the Flight Deck Door
is a condition monitored and recorded on the flight data recorder.
From what I can find prior to 2002, flight data records in the 757 series
recorded at most:
Time
Altitude
Airspeed
Vertical acceleration
Heading
Time of each Radio transmission (To or From air traffic control)
Pitch attitude
Roll attitude
Longitudinal acceleration
Control column or pitch control surface position
Thrust of each engine
I can't seem to find any sort of parameter that sets forth "flight deck door
open/closed"
Further the Cockpit Voice Recorder installed on Pre-2002 Boeing 757 only
recorded the mandated 30 minutes, meaning that the time between when the
door was opened and the crash exceeded the time for which that audio data
would be preserved.
So please establish for us the means by which these pilots were able to
assertain that the door had NOT been opened when claimed.
Scout
Heck, have you seen the webpage that explains how the light poles damaged by
the passage of the plane were actually staged?
Yep, thousands of people driving along I-495 and they have road crews out
there laying light poles out in the traffic lanes and no one notices.
Jim Alder
$X01....@newsfe07.iad:
No, I must've missed that website. There's only a million or so of them,
after all. <g>
> Yep, thousands of people driving along I-495 and they have road crews out
> there laying light poles out in the traffic lanes and no one notices.
Well, they obviously worked at night, ya fool!
pyotr filipivich
Ghost) on or about Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:48:47 -0600 did write/type or
cause to appear in talk.politics.guns the following:
>
>> Government is competent enough to pull this off, and maintain the
>> cover up for all these years, yet the "truthers" are able to find it
>> all out, and nobody has come to take them away in the middle of the
>> night and make them "disappear" in to the night and fog and become
>> unpersons.
>> Unless the "truthers" are really part of the disinformation
>> campaign to cover up the conspiracy, and really are working for Karl
>> Rove and Dick Cheney...
>>
>>
>> tschus
>> pyotr
>>
>>
>> Catl announced that due to exhaustion, he would be forced to cancel
>> his appearance on the World Red Herring Wrestling Federation Main Event
>> with the following press release:
>>
>
>And even more amusing is the how they continuoudly castigate Bush for being a
>dolt, but somehow he was able to engineer this in just 8 months. No, wait, it
>was Cheney, the man behind the curtain.
Bush is so Machiavellian, he is able to project this aura of
incompetence, _and get Progressives to believe it_, thus getting them
ensnared in his diabolical schemes to reward his oil buddies by
invading Iraq.
This fantasy of the Left - that it was all about the oil- merely
confirms that Progressives have no understanding of business or
economics - it would have been cheaper for Bush to merely have lifted
the sanctions "on humanitarian ground." At which point the lefties
would have fallen all over themselves in adoration of such a wise and
"forward thinking" president, even if he wasn't from the proper party.
pyotr
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pyotr filipivich
"Quemadmoeum gladuis neminem occidit, occidentis telum est. "
Lucius Annaeus Seneca, circa 45 AD
(A sword is never a killer, it is a tool in the killer's hands.)
Jim Alder
Yeah, right. That will never happen. If a Republican president walked on
water, they would say he was too stupid to swim.
Scout
Yea, but after a couple of thousand cars ran into them doing the morning
commute, you think someone would have remarked on how strange it was to have
light poles laying in the road....but I suppose it was that invisible paint
on them that kept anyone from noticing.
M
wrote:
> Jim Alder wrote:
> > "Scout" <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
> > news:p5JRm.50158 $X01.8...@newsfe07.iad:
>
> >> Jim Alder wrote:
> >>> grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote in
> >>>news:Xns9CD4D34062F08We...@216.196.97.142:
>
> >>>> Jim Alder <jimal...@ssnet.com> wrote in
> >>>>news:Xns9CD4A3A656A5C...@216.196.97.142:
>
> >>>>> Bama Brian <claypoolbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> tankfixer wrote:
> >>>>>>> xeton2001 @yahoo.com says...
How could anyone notice? The government has a monopoly on all that
stealth technology
Jim Alder
$W77....@newsfe11.iad:
Sorry, I didn't see the "in the traffic lanes" part. Obviously the cruise
missle knocked them over with a sonic boom close to the ground?
RD (The Sandman)
news:60e00448-4e50-4605...@o9g2000vbj.googlegroups.com:
> On Dec 3, 7:30�pm, "Scout" <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
> wrote:
>> Jim Alder wrote:
>> > "Scout" <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>> > news:p5JRm.50158 $X01.8...@newsfe07.iad:
>>
>> >> Jim Alder wrote:
>> >>> grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote in
>> >>>news:Xns9CD4D34062F08We...@216.196.97.142:
>>
>> >>>> Jim Alder <jimal...@ssnet.com> wrote in
>> >>>>news:Xns9CD4A3A656A5C...@216.196.97.142:
>>
>> >>>>> Bama Brian <claypoolbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>> tankfixer wrote:
>> >>>>>>> xeton2001 @yahoo.com says...
>> >>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman <noem...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>> � � �If the people on those airplanes didn't die in �th
> e 9/11
>> >>>>>>>>> � � �attack then where are they?
>>
>> >>>>>>>> What a stupid question???? �You don't even understand the
>> >>>>>>>> issu
> e
>> >>>>>>>> here. The 5gon was hit by a guided missile or something like
>> >>>>>>>> that. �There was no flight 77 and it was all just a cover
>> >>>>>>>> story.
>>
>> >>>>>>> I have to agree with Mitch and ask, where did the people go ?
>>
>> >>>>>> Lessee now. �Flight 77 hit the Pentagon at a flying speed,
>> >>>>>> which for a bird that size, means somewhere over 200 mph, or
>> >>>>>> over 300 fps. �The resulting crash resulted in a fireball that
>> >>>>>> incinerate
> d
>> >>>>>> the shredded remains of the victims. �Like the Twin Towers,
>> >>>>>> literally thousands of gallons of jet fuel were involved in
>> >>>>>> the fire.
>>
>> >>>>> � � I think you're misunderstanding the question. They're sayin
> g
>> >>>>> � � that if the
Reminds me a joke we used to tell when I was in the service. We found
some camoflauge paint. During the night we painted all our aircraft and
in the morning none of the flight crews could find them. ;)
tankfixer
claypo...@gmail.com says...
>
> tankfixer wrote:
> > In article <Xns9CD1F20DD11FDr...@216.168.3.70>, xeton2001
> > @yahoo.com says...
> >> Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote in
> >> news:Xns9CD1D86193539...@216.196.97.130:
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> If the people on those airplanes didn't die in
> >>> the 9/11 attack then where are they?
> >>>
> >>
> >> What a stupid question???? You don't even understand the issue here. The
> >> 5gon was hit by a guided missile or something like that. There was no
> >> flight 77 and it was all just a cover story.
> >
> > I have to agreee with Mitch and ask, where did the people go ?
>
> Lessee now. Flight 77 hit the Pentagon at a flying speed, which for a
> bird that size, means somewhere over 200 mph, or over 300 fps. The
> resulting crash resulted in a fireball that incinerated the shredded
> remains of the victims. Like the Twin Towers, literally thousands of
> gallons of jet fuel were involved in the fire.
I was asking our resident kook to explain...
I doubt I will receive a coherent response..
>
> Whatever was left of any individual person might be buried in a
> teaspoon. Still, there were charred bodies recovered.
>
> There WERE witnesses to the path of the aircraft as it flew up the
> Potomac at low levels, witnesses to the crash itself, and jet motors and
> other jet aircraft debris found in the wreckage of the building. And at
> one VERY speed blurred surveillance video showing the aircraft on its
> final rendezvous.
Yup...
>
> Start here:
> http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary
>
> IOW, it wasn't a missile. Thinking so leads to madness. One might as
> well believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus.
Now hold on there.....
NORAD tracks Santa !
dsc-ky
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18405
>
> 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE
> FLIGHT DECK DOOR CLOSED FOR ENTIRE FLIGHT
>
> (PilotsFor911Truth.org) - Newly decoded data provided by an independent
> researcher and computer programmer from Australia exposes alarming
> evidence that the reported hijacking aboard American Airlines Flight 77
> was impossible to have existed. A data parameter labeled "FLT DECK DOOR",
> cross checks with previously decoded data obtained by Pilots For 9/11
> Truth from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) through the
> Freedom Of Information Act.
>
> On the morning of September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight 77
> departed Dulles International Airport bound for Los Angeles at 8:20 am
> Eastern Time. According to reports and data, a hijacking took place
> between 08:50:54 and 08:54:11[1] in which the hijackers allegedly crashed
> the aircraft into the Pentagon at 09:37:45. Reported by CNN, according to
> Ted Olson, wife Barbara Olson had called him from the reported flight
> stating, "...all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots,
> were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers..."[2]. However,
> according to Flight Data provided by the NTSB, the Flight Deck Door was
> never opened in flight. How were the hijackers able to gain access to the
> cockpit, remove the pilots, and navigate the aircraft to the Pentagon if
> the Flight Deck Door remained closed?[3]
>
> of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has
> analyzed Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB)
> for the Pentagon Attack, the events in Shanksville, PA and the World
> Trade Center attack. The data does not support the government story. The
> NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not offer theory or
> point blame at this point in time. However, there is a growing mountain
> of conflicting information and data in which government agencies and
> officials along with Mainstream Media refuse to acknowledge. Pilots For
> 9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow.
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
> And the pathetic govt shills can only respond with "only kooks believe in
> conspiracies."
>
> HAHAHAHA
Does anyone really think for a second that our inept government could
plan, organize and pull off anything of this magnitude... while
keeping it secret. :)
M
Hmmmm....
Maybe it could have under Bush #1 or Clinton. Not under W, for sure.
Gray Ghost
news:8a6ddf82-5394-43f3...@f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com:
Yeah! That's it! Clinton organized it. He hoped that it would bring down Bush
and we'd beg him to be President for life.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEiLgbBGKVk
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science is settled.
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What it appears to be all about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEZszGJHbK4&feature=video_response