On Jun 3, 1:05 am, deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
> <snipped: made-up nonsense/>
I suggest you go to your nearest community college and take a course
of Economics, a subject you clearly ignore.
I will give you the first lesson for free: Economics deals with the
allocation of scarce resources: cars, hot chicks, houses, jobs, etc.
Since there is plenty of air and sand, there is no economics of those.
The economic system chosen by a country decides who gets the girls,
houses and jobs (and whether illegal folks are allowed to work, IN
PRACTICE).
Racists (Topaz, brad herschel, VERMIN, etc.) insist to be given a
blank check in advance, without having to prove themselves in the
marketplace: they HATE having to compete. That is why they are anti-
business:
Since they are far right, they hate the donkey as well.
NB: This is America, we don't cotton to no pinko commies here.
-Ramon
Proud Member of the US Chamber of Commerce (regular and Hispanic)
So quit calling me commie, will ya'?
100% Supporter of the position on immigration being
lobbied and led by The US Chamber of Commerce
---------------------------------------------
> > On Jun 1, 3:46 pm, Old Pif <old...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jun 1, 6:05 pm, brad herschel <bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Economy doomed to continued creep downward. America is no longer
> > competitive in the
> > global market. Germany, pop. 80million sells more than USA with 308
> > million. Of course,
> > a big chunk of our population lacks the ability to work in hi-tech
> > society.
> No, we have a big chunk of our population that refuses
> to work at all,
That is a lie. The "chunk" is not that big. You are imagining black
"welfare queens".
> much less learn the skills needed to work in a hi-tech society.
>
> Welfare was intended to be a safety net, not a hammock.
>
> It's time to kick out those using it as a hammock.
(a) Welfare is less than 1% of the US budget, and yet it is used as a
subterfuge to justify racism and hatred.
(b) Most people stay on welfare temporarily. Old ones come out, new
ones come in.
Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> On Jun 3, 1:05 am, deadrat <a...@b.com> wrote:
>> On 6/2/12 8:34 PM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
>>> On Jun 1, 6:38 pm, brad herschel<bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jun 1, 3:46 pm, Old Pif<old...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 1, 6:05 pm, brad herschel<bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Economy doomed to continued creep downward. America is no longer
>>>> competitive in the
>>>> global market. Germany, pop. 80million sells more than USA with 308
>>>> million. Of course,
>>>> a big chunk of our population lacks the ability to work in hi-tech
>>>> society. [a poster wrote:]
>>>> There will always be winners and losers.
>>> Indeed - And the only way to set them apart, one that respects:
>>> - The Constitutions of the US and the other civilized countries
>>> - The Universal Human Rights
>>> is Competition under the rules of Capitalism.
>> If the 1% weren't so exhausted by stuffing themselves with tax breaks
>> and subsidies and bailouts, they might have the energy to laugh at
>> you.
> > Why do you run to support the people who pick your pockets?
> Winston Churchill:
> Democracy is the worst political system... except for the other ones.
> Ramon's Corollary:
> Capitalism is the worst economic system... except for the other ones.
> You clearly ignore (not sure whether by choice or genuine) that
> another name for capitalism is FREE markets.
> Since both systems above are the only ones based on FREEDOM, they are
> improvable, some say perfectible.
> -Ramon
Amont the many freedoms that people can enjoy, the freedom to earn money doing the job you like is one of the best. I can remember my parents qsking me, "What do you want to be when you grow up?" Thank God I didn't have to say, "Whatever the government wants me to be."
<ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
> On 6/2/2012 9:20 PM, Ramon F. Herrera wrote:
> > On Jun 1, 6:38 pm, brad herschel <bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > a big chunk of our population lacks the ability to work
> > > in hi-tech society.
> > Most of high tech is liberal (*). Isn't that a little presumptuous of
> > you, trying to teach high tech to the creators and leaders of high
> > tech?
> > -Ramon
> > (*) Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg the Google boys, and
> > pretty much all of them.
> Internet was DoD and they are hardly Liberal.....
The DoD is neither liberal nor conservative. They are American.
We were quite busy at MIT (liberal, as all institutions with a lot of
gray matter), inventing the Internet when Al Gore showed up, giving us
invaluable help. He was recently indicted to the Internet Hall of
Fame.
NB: The US Army and US Marine Corps are proud sponsors of the National
Council of La Raza: I dare you to find ANY evidence of support from
our military to your side, on immigration.
>>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 3:46 pm, Old Pif <old...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 6:05 pm, brad herschel <bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Economy doomed to continued creep downward. America is no longer
>>>>>>>> competitive in the
>>>>>>>> global market. Germany, pop. 80million sells more than USA with 308
>>>>>>>> million. Of course,
>>>>>>>> a big chunk of our population lacks the ability to work in hi-tech
>>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>> No, we have a big chunk of our population that refuses to work at
>>>>>>> all,
>>>>>>> much less learn the skills needed to work in a hi-tech society.
>>>>>>> Welfare was intended to be a safety net, not a hammock.
>>>>>>> It's time to kick out those using it as a hammock.
>>>>>> Who do you suppose are on long-term welfare, Sparky?
>>>>> Because it's become a life style...and a pretty profitable one too,
>>>>> given that most people on welfare have more disposable income than
>>>>> many
>>>>> of those that work for a living.
>>>> Ever lived on welfare?
>>> I've been on unemployement a couple of times, but I tend to work for a
>>> living.
>> Never got a dime from the government, but when I was poor it really
>> didn't matter where the money wasn't coming from, I had to go find
>> someone to pay me for doing something.
> Nor have I taken a dime from the government. Unemployment Insurance is
> something I or my employer pays for. Why shouldn't I collect the
> benefits of insurance my labor paid for?
If you paid into it you deserve the proceeds, I agree(That's why it
should be voluntary and NOT forced Socialism). And to this point I
have gone 35 years and I have yet to collect from unemployment..... but
you are welcome. Maybe if they called it unemployment and vacation
insurance I would but probably not. I just never needed it. Nothing
wrong with taking it. I'm just not one that wants to fill out paper
work to ask the government for what is mine. That's why I treat it as
theft and treat the money as stolen and not recoverable.
I would rather have my money in my hands to start with and I intend to
ignore the government at every turn. To me they simply don't exist in
my private life, they can try to inject themselves into my private life
and I reject it by NOT ever filling out any of their paperwork or
seeking out and entering any of the governments offices.
Government chooses to hide from and bury it's head to separate its self
from religion*(No religious stuff like the ten commandments in
government buildings), so why shouldn't I do that same thing to to
ignore government in my private affairs in my house and personal life
where government has no powers to interfere and are separated by the
constitution from MY LIFE. I don't want to hear from the government
about my private life. It's NOT any of their business, I can construct
a constitutional wall as easily as they can create separation of Church
and State and ban religion from any government office or property.
-- *He has the most who is most content with the least* -Diogenes-
"Ramon F. Herrera" <ra...@conexus.net> wrote in news:057b3113-754f-43c0-
9f7a-bab995215...@h9g2000yqi.googlegroups.com:
> Proud Member of the US Chamber of Commerce (regular and Hispanic)
> So quit calling me commie, will ya'?
> 100% Supporter of the position on immigration being
> lobbied and led by The US Chamber of Commerce
> ---------------------------------------------
So it's foreign interests that are pushing the immigration issue? Thanks for clarifying that!
-- Ramon F Herrera, Secret Foreign Agent of a Secret Foreign Government, funneling Secret Foreign Money through the criminal Chamber of Commerce.
Obama and Slow Joe
Said it was so,
They weren't lieing
Say it ain't so!
The same chamber that he uses his membership in to "prove" what a good American he is.
Why won't he address this? What has he got to hide?
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 3:46 pm, Old Pif<old...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 6:05 pm, brad herschel<bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Economy doomed to continued creep downward. America is no longer
>>>>>>>>> competitive in the
>>>>>>>>> global market. Germany, pop. 80million sells more than USA with 308
>>>>>>>>> million. Of course,
>>>>>>>>> a big chunk of our population lacks the ability to work in hi-tech
>>>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>>> No, we have a big chunk of our population that refuses to work at
>>>>>>>> all,
>>>>>>>> much less learn the skills needed to work in a hi-tech society.
>>>>>>>> Welfare was intended to be a safety net, not a hammock.
>>>>>>>> It's time to kick out those using it as a hammock.
>>>>>>> Who do you suppose are on long-term welfare, Sparky?
>>>>>> Because it's become a life style...and a pretty profitable one too,
>>>>>> given that most people on welfare have more disposable income than
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> of those that work for a living.
>>>>> Ever lived on welfare?
>>>> I've been on unemployement a couple of times, but I tend to work for a
>>>> living.
>>> Never got a dime from the government, but when I was poor it really
>>> didn't matter where the money wasn't coming from, I had to go find
>>> someone to pay me for doing something.
>> Nor have I taken a dime from the government. Unemployment Insurance is
>> something I or my employer pays for. Why shouldn't I collect the
>> benefits of insurance my labor paid for?
> If you paid into it you deserve the proceeds, I agree(That's why it
> should be voluntary and NOT forced Socialism). And to this point I
> have gone 35 years and I have yet to collect from unemployment..... but
> you are welcome. Maybe if they called it unemployment and vacation
> insurance I would but probably not. I just never needed it. Nothing
> wrong with taking it. I'm just not one that wants to fill out paper
> work to ask the government for what is mine. That's why I treat it as
> theft and treat the money as stolen and not recoverable.
> I would rather have my money in my hands to start with and I intend to
> ignore the government at every turn. To me they simply don't exist in
> my private life, they can try to inject themselves into my private life
> and I reject it by NOT ever filling out any of their paperwork or
> seeking out and entering any of the governments offices.
> Government chooses to hide from and bury it's head to separate its self
> from religion*(No religious stuff like the ten commandments in
> government buildings), so why shouldn't I do that same thing to to
> ignore government in my private affairs in my house and personal life
> where government has no powers to interfere and are separated by the
> constitution from MY LIFE. I don't want to hear from the government
> about my private life. It's NOT any of their business, I can construct
> a constitutional wall as easily as they can create separation of Church
> and State and ban religion from any government office or property.
Boy, it sure sucks to be you, doesn't it? Why not move somewhere else so you don't have to burdened with your government? You're obviously not happy here, and we'll be glad to be shut of you. Win-win, I think they call it.
May I suggest Saudi Arabia or Syria or Iran?
Or how about Somalia, the rightard paradise? No government regulation there. No government to speak of.
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 3:46 pm, Old Pif<old...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 6:05 pm, brad herschel<bradhersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Economy doomed to continued creep downward. America is no longer
>>>>>>>>>> competitive in the
>>>>>>>>>> global market. Germany, pop. 80million sells more than USA
>>>>>>>>>> with 308
>>>>>>>>>> million. Of course,
>>>>>>>>>> a big chunk of our population lacks the ability to work in
>>>>>>>>>> hi-tech
>>>>>>>>>> society.
>>>>>>>>> No, we have a big chunk of our population that refuses to work at
>>>>>>>>> all,
>>>>>>>>> much less learn the skills needed to work in a hi-tech society.
>>>>>>>>> Welfare was intended to be a safety net, not a hammock.
>>>>>>>>> It's time to kick out those using it as a hammock.
>>>>>>>> Who do you suppose are on long-term welfare, Sparky?
>>>>>>> Because it's become a life style...and a pretty profitable one too,
>>>>>>> given that most people on welfare have more disposable income than
>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>> of those that work for a living.
>>>>>> Ever lived on welfare?
>>>>> I've been on unemployement a couple of times, but I tend to work for a
>>>>> living.
>>>> Never got a dime from the government, but when I was poor it really
>>>> didn't matter where the money wasn't coming from, I had to go find
>>>> someone to pay me for doing something.
>>> Nor have I taken a dime from the government. Unemployment Insurance is
>>> something I or my employer pays for. Why shouldn't I collect the
>>> benefits of insurance my labor paid for?
>> If you paid into it you deserve the proceeds, I agree(That's why it
>> should be voluntary and NOT forced Socialism). And to this point I
>> have gone 35 years and I have yet to collect from unemployment..... but
>> you are welcome. Maybe if they called it unemployment and vacation
>> insurance I would but probably not. I just never needed it. Nothing
>> wrong with taking it. I'm just not one that wants to fill out paper
>> work to ask the government for what is mine. That's why I treat it as
>> theft and treat the money as stolen and not recoverable.
>> I would rather have my money in my hands to start with and I intend to
>> ignore the government at every turn. To me they simply don't exist in
>> my private life, they can try to inject themselves into my private life
>> and I reject it by NOT ever filling out any of their paperwork or
>> seeking out and entering any of the governments offices.
>> Government chooses to hide from and bury it's head to separate its self
>> from religion*(No religious stuff like the ten commandments in
>> government buildings), so why shouldn't I do that same thing to to
>> ignore government in my private affairs in my house and personal life
>> where government has no powers to interfere and are separated by the
>> constitution from MY LIFE. I don't want to hear from the government
>> about my private life. It's NOT any of their business, I can construct
>> a constitutional wall as easily as they can create separation of Church
>> and State and ban religion from any government office or property.
> Boy, it sure sucks to be you, doesn't it? Why not move somewhere else
> so you don't have to burdened with your government? You're obviously
> not happy here, and we'll be glad to be shut of you. Win-win, I think
> they call it.
> May I suggest Saudi Arabia or Syria or Iran?
Suggest anything you want, I don't accept you as my Lord and master any
more than I accept Obama in that position.
> Or how about Somalia, the rightard paradise? No government regulation
> there. No government to speak of.
You obviously have me confused with a communist.... They believe in the
UTOPIA of all government fading away.
I'm a realist and I think we need just enough government to secure our
individual rights.
I recognize that much, if government feels the need to do more, I push back.
-- *He has the most who is most content with the least* -Diogenes-
