ACORN charged in vote fraud in 2008 elections
edi...@netpath.net
LAS VEGAS — A prominent antipoverty organization that drew criticism
from Republicans during last year’s presidential race was charged by
Nevada officials Monday with engaging in voter registration fraud.
Two former leaders of the group’s Nevada branch were also charged in
connection with the submission of thousands of bogus voter
registration forms.
The organization, the Association of Community Organizations for
Reform Now, or Acorn, is accused of paying canvassers only if they
registered at least 20 voters per shift and providing bonuses of $5
for registering more than 21.
Under Nevada law, it is illegal to attach incentives to such work, in
part because it encourages canvassers to submit fraudulent forms,
Secretary of State Ross Miller said.
Acorn submitted 91,002 completed forms in Clark County, which includes
Las Vegas, of which 23,186 turned out to be valid new voters who voted
in November, according to data provided by Mr. Miller’s office.
Mr. Miller investigated Acorn at the behest of the Clark County
registrar of voters, Larry Lomax, who noted a high number of forms
turned in featuring the names of famous football players and cartoon
characters.
“This is not a case of voter fraud, it’s a case of voter registration
fraud,” Mr. Miller said. “I’m very confident that none of these
fraudulent voter forms found their way into the voter registration
rolls or to cast votes.”
The indictment includes 13 counts each against Acorn and its former
Las Vegas field director, Christopher Edwards, who is accused of
creating an incentive program called “blackjack” because $5 was paid
for signing more than 21 prospective voters.
Also indicted was Acorn’s former deputy regional director, Amy
Busefink, on 13 counts of principle to the crime of compensation for
registration of voters. Each charge carries a potential one- to four-
year prison term and a $5,000 fine.
Acorn’s national spokesman, Scott Levenson, called the indictments
“political grandstanding” by Mr. Miller and Attorney General Catherine
Cortez Masto, both Democrats.
Mr. Levenson said Acorn had fired both employees and has cooperated
with investigators.
“This is in complete violation of Acorn national policy, and to indict
us is a clear case of blaming the victim,” Mr. Levenson said. “We had
an errant employee who violated our policy and he was ordered to
stop.”
Neither the former employees nor Las Vegas Acorn officials could be
reached for comment.
In the final month of the campaign, supporters of Senator John McCain,
the Republican presidential candidate, charged that Acorn was trying
to fraudulently enroll Democratic voters likely to support Mr.
McCain’s opponent, Senator Barack Obama.
Yet on Monday, Nevada Republicans said they doubted Acorn’s activity
had any impact on the outcome of the 2008 election in Nevada. Mr.
Obama won the state by 12 percentage points.
“It wasn’t that close,” the state Republican chairwoman, Sue Lowden,
said.
But Ms. Lowden added, “This is just the sort of thing that we need to
be cracking down on now for a clean 2010 election.”
edi...@netpath.net
charged with felony vote fraud in how many states in last year's
election before everyone recognizes that Obama isn't LEGITIMATE as
president?
In other states, ACORN workers have been charged with felony vote
fraud already in this election - in Pennsylvania notably, where at
least one became a fugitive.
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dan...@rocketmail.com
The White House plans to hire ACORN to recruit workers for the 2010
Census. It is not yet known whether ACORN will only recruit Census
workers, or whether it will actually help conduct the Census itself.
Since the last Census was marred by accusations that it undercounted
members of certain minority groups, ACORN will help to ensure that
everyone is counted accurately.
Johnny Asia
Yet on Monday, Nevada Republicans said they doubted Acorn�s activity
had any impact on the outcome of the 2008 election in Nevada. Mr.
Obama won the state by 12 percentage points.
�It wasn�t that close,� the state Republican chairwoman, Sue Lowden,
said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/us/05acorn.html
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Bugman
<edi...@netpath.net> wrote in message
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> FROM YESTERDAY'S NEW YORK TIMES:
> LAS VEGAS � A prominent antipoverty organization that drew criticism
> from Republicans during last year�s presidential race was charged by
> Nevada officials Monday with engaging in voter registration fraud.
>
> Two former leaders of the group�s Nevada branch were also charged in
> connection with the submission of thousands of bogus voter
> registration forms.
>
> The organization, the Association of Community Organizations for
> Reform Now, or Acorn, is accused of paying canvassers only if they
> registered at least 20 voters per shift and providing bonuses of $5
> for registering more than 21.
>
> Under Nevada law, it is illegal to attach incentives to such work, in
> part because it encourages canvassers to submit fraudulent forms,
> Secretary of State Ross Miller said.
>
> Acorn submitted 91,002 completed forms in Clark County, which includes
> Las Vegas, of which 23,186 turned out to be valid new voters who voted
> in November, according to data provided by Mr. Miller�s office.
>
> Mr. Miller investigated Acorn at the behest of the Clark County
> registrar of voters, Larry Lomax, who noted a high number of forms
> turned in featuring the names of famous football players and cartoon
> characters.
>
> �This is not a case of voter fraud, it�s a case of voter registration
> fraud,� Mr. Miller said. �I�m very confident that none of these
> fraudulent voter forms found their way into the voter registration
> rolls or to cast votes.�
>
> The indictment includes 13 counts each against Acorn and its former
> Las Vegas field director, Christopher Edwards, who is accused of
> creating an incentive program called �blackjack� because $5 was paid
> for signing more than 21 prospective voters.
>
> Also indicted was Acorn�s former deputy regional director, Amy
> Busefink, on 13 counts of principle to the crime of compensation for
> registration of voters. Each charge carries a potential one- to four-
> year prison term and a $5,000 fine.
>
> Acorn�s national spokesman, Scott Levenson, called the indictments
> �political grandstanding� by Mr. Miller and Attorney General Catherine
> Cortez Masto, both Democrats.
>
> Mr. Levenson said Acorn had fired both employees and has cooperated
> with investigators.
>
> �This is in complete violation of Acorn national policy, and to indict
> us is a clear case of blaming the victim,� Mr. Levenson said. �We had
> an errant employee who violated our policy and he was ordered to
> stop.�
>
> Neither the former employees nor Las Vegas Acorn officials could be
> reached for comment.
>
> In the final month of the campaign, supporters of Senator John McCain,
> the Republican presidential candidate, charged that Acorn was trying
> to fraudulently enroll Democratic voters likely to support Mr.
> McCain�s opponent, Senator Barack Obama.
>
> Yet on Monday, Nevada Republicans said they doubted Acorn�s activity
> had any impact on the outcome of the 2008 election in Nevada. Mr.
> Obama won the state by 12 percentage points.
>
> �It wasn�t that close,� the state Republican chairwoman, Sue Lowden,
> said.
>
> But Ms. Lowden added, �This is just the sort of thing that we need to
> be cracking down on now for a clean 2010 election.�
>
Bugman
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When they are charged with vote fraud let us know. This is registration
fraud. Big difference
Bugman
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Bugman
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Alric Knebel
> from Republicans during last year�s presidential race was charged by
> Nevada officials Monday with engaging in voter registration fraud.
>
> connection with the submission of thousands of bogus voter
> registration forms.
>
> The organization, the Association of Community Organizations for
> Reform Now, or Acorn, is accused of paying canvassers only if they
> registered at least 20 voters per shift and providing bonuses of $5
> for registering more than 21.
>
> Under Nevada law, it is illegal to attach incentives to such work, in
> part because it encourages canvassers to submit fraudulent forms,
> Secretary of State Ross Miller said.
>
> Acorn submitted 91,002 completed forms in Clark County, which includes
> Las Vegas, of which 23,186 turned out to be valid new voters who voted
>
> Mr. Miller investigated Acorn at the behest of the Clark County
> registrar of voters, Larry Lomax, who noted a high number of forms
> turned in featuring the names of famous football players and cartoon
> characters.
>
> fraudulent voter forms found their way into the voter registration
>
> The indictment includes 13 counts each against Acorn and its former
> Las Vegas field director, Christopher Edwards, who is accused of
> for signing more than 21 prospective voters.
>
> Busefink, on 13 counts of principle to the crime of compensation for
> registration of voters. Each charge carries a potential one- to four-
> year prison term and a $5,000 fine.
>
> �political grandstanding� by Mr. Miller and Attorney General Catherine
> Cortez Masto, both Democrats.
>
> Mr. Levenson said Acorn had fired both employees and has cooperated
> with investigators.
>
> an errant employee who violated our policy and he was ordered to
>
> Neither the former employees nor Las Vegas Acorn officials could be
> reached for comment.
>
> In the final month of the campaign, supporters of Senator John McCain,
> the Republican presidential candidate, charged that Acorn was trying
> to fraudulently enroll Democratic voters likely to support Mr.
>
> Yet on Monday, Nevada Republicans said they doubted Acorn�s activity
> had any impact on the outcome of the 2008 election in Nevada. Mr.
> Obama won the state by 12 percentage points.
>
> said.
>
> But Ms. Lowden added, �This is just the sort of thing that we need to
> be cracking down on now for a clean 2010 election.�
I guess this is the "scandal" du jour. I know you want to jump on this
to argue that Obama isn't a legitimate president, you fucking stupid
fruit, but this was covered already. All these people are guilty of is
making up new registrants. The vote count was accurate.
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Alric Knebel
> How many ACORN officials and their contracted workers have to be
> charged with felony vote fraud in how many states in last year's
> election before everyone recognizes that Obama isn't LEGITIMATE as
> president?
> In other states, ACORN workers have been charged with felony vote
> fraud already in this election - in Pennsylvania notably, where at
> least one became a fugitive.
You need to read more carefully what the article says. As far as
anybody knows, no one named Mickey Mouse actually voted or even tried to
vote.
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Bill Smith
<engra...@mypacks.net> wrote:
>
>
>Yet on Monday, Nevada Republicans said they doubted Acorn�s activity
>had any impact on the outcome of the 2008 election in Nevada. Mr.
>Obama won the state by 12 percentage points.
>
>�It wasn�t that close,� the state Republican chairwoman, Sue Lowden,
>said.
>
>
>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/us/05acorn.html
So it's okay then?
Bill Smith
edi...@netpath.net
> edi...@netpath.net wrote:
> > How many ACORN officials and their contracted workers have to be
> > charged with felony vote fraud in how many states in last year's
> > election before everyone recognizes that Obama isn't LEGITIMATE as
> > president?
> > In other states, ACORN workers have been charged with felony vote
> > fraud already in this election - in Pennsylvania notably, where at
> > least one became a fugitive.
>
> You need to read more carefully what the article says. As far as
> anybody knows, no one named Mickey Mouse actually voted or even tried to
> vote.
Sure - as if those making up phony registrations can't bring a
Manhattan phone book and use real-sounding names for their phony
"registrants" who then "vote?"
Bugman
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Absolutely no proof of that happening though.
Alric Knebel
But that didn't happen. This is old news, and has already been
investigated. If they had used a phone book with real names, you would
have added names that were possibly already registered.
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edi...@netpath.net
> <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in message
> >> You need to read more carefully what the article says. As far as
> >> anybody knows, no one named Mickey Mouse actually voted or even tried to
> >> vote.
>
> > Sure - as if those making up phony registrations can't bring a
> > Manhattan phone book and use real-sounding names for their phony
> > "registrants" who then "vote?"
>
> Absolutely no proof of that happening though.
How easy is it going to be to "prove" - unless someone actually doing
it finks - that a new "voter" named "Robert Pittorino" didn't exist if
his name got "created" that way?
Day Brown
> So it's okay then?
So, it does not matter.
Day Brown
> I guess this is the "scandal" du jour. I know you want to jump on this
> to argue that Obama isn't a legitimate president, you fucking stupid
> fruit, but this was covered already. All these people are guilty of is
> making up new registrants. The vote count was accurate.
suggested doing that would have had any economic impact. I dont see
anything proposed by the GOP that was of nearly enuf scale to have any
economic impact in the near term, and to suggest that it'd do for the
long term assumes we dont have a revolution before then.
(bread & circuses)=(beer & baseball). If anything interferes with
entitlements enuf to get the spuds off the couch, they'll be pissed enuf
to start dragging the bastards out to be shot. The bastards know that.
Obama gets it; I dont think McCain does. Obama may cause a run on the
dollar, but its the only shot any leader has left.
Bugman
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So you have no proof you Big Mouthed Asshole? So why do you keep posting
bullshit?
Bill Smith
wrote:
Nothing really matters, but if we don't pretend it does, the chaos
will be real.
It's not okay to ignore election laws because the violation didn't
affect the outcome.
Bill Smith
dan...@rocketmail.com
> When they are charged with vote fraud let us know. This is registration
> fraud. Big difference
A fraudulent voter registration can be used to cast a fraudulent
ballot, especially since no identification is required to vote.
edi...@netpath.net
> (bread & circuses)=(beer & baseball).
This is the damn truth - but a LOT of Americans no longer can afford
that, beer sales of Miller beer from a nearby brewery are now nil, and
all those being foreclosed you can bet cut cable television (=ESPN
sports) long before losing their houses. So a LOT of Americans no
longer are bought off into social stability that way anymore. After
all, the days when average working-class Americans really could afford
to take their kids to major-league games are decades over.
Alric Knebel
> On May 6, 1:42 pm, Day Brown <dayhbr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> (bread & circuses)=(beer & baseball).
>
> This is the damn truth - but a LOT of Americans no longer can afford
> that, beer sales of Miller beer from a nearby brewery are now nil, and
> all those being foreclosed you can bet cut cable television (=ESPN
> sports) long before losing their houses. So a LOT of Americans no
> longer are bought off into social stability that way anymore. After
> all, the days when average working-class Americans really could afford
> to take their kids to major-league games are decades over.
What's the countdown to, Bubba?
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Strabo
That's the collectivist way.
hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
> <dank...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a9939ac8-8447-4b98...@u39g2000pru.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 5, 10:28 pm, "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
> >> How many ACORN officials and their contracted workers have to be
> >> charged with felony vote fraud in how many states in last year's
> >> election before everyone recognizes that Obama isn't LEGITIMATE as
> >> president?
> >> In other states, ACORN workers have been charged with felony vote
> >> fraud already in this election - in Pennsylvania notably, where at
> >> least one became a fugitive.
>
>
> > The White House plans to hire ACORN to recruit workers for the 2010
> > Census. It is not yet known whether ACORN will only recruit Census
> > workers, or whether it will actually help conduct the Census itself.
> > Since the last Census was marred by accusations that it undercounted
> > members of certain minority groups, ACORN will help to ensure that
>
> - Show quoted text -
Is rocketmail.com a euphamism for webtv?
hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
> <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in message
>
> news:df413223-9852-4a78...@t10g2000vbg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > How many ACORN officials and their contracted workers have to be
> > charged with felony vote fraud in how many states in last year's
> > election before everyone recognizes that Obama isn't LEGITIMATE as
> > president?
> > In other states, ACORN workers have been charged with felony vote
> > fraud already in this election - in Pennsylvania notably, where at
> > least one became a fugitive.
>
>
> When they are charged with vote fraud let us know. This is registration
> fraud. Big difference
Phew! Just a precursor to voter fraud. Boy am I releived!
Isn't registration falsification of government documents? And you're
OK with registration fraud?
hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
Not obvious enough for Bugman. He's not used to detailed thinking.
hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
Are you certain? Ohio has prosecuted liberal voter fraud.
hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
> <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in message
>
> news:5a586abf-886c-4b1a...@o30g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 6, 11:45 am, "Bugman" <jmpos...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> <edi...@netpath.net> wrote in message
> >> >> You need to read more carefully what the article says. As far as
> >> >> anybody knows, no one named Mickey Mouse actually voted or even tried
> >> >> to
> >> >> vote.
>
> >> > Sure - as if those making up phony registrations can't bring a
> >> > Manhattan phone book and use real-sounding names for their phony
> >> > "registrants" who then "vote?"
>
> >> Absolutely no proof of that happening though.
>
> > How easy is it going to be to "prove" - unless someone actually doing
> > it finks - that a new "voter" named "Robert Pittorino" didn't exist if
> > his name got "created" that way?
>
> So you have no proof you Big Mouthed Asshole? So why do you keep posting
> bullshit?
So in states and precincts that don't have to show ID, how do you
obtain proof, you "Big Mouthed Asshole?"
Dan
Dan
>
> Yet on Monday, Nevada Republicans said they doubted Acorn�s activity
> had any impact on the outcome of the 2008 election in Nevada. Mr.
> Obama won the state by 12 percentage points.
>
> said.
>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/05/us/05acorn.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Pucker your lips for the Apocalypse!
>
> Johnny Asia, Guitarist from the Future
>
>
> http://johnnyasia.com
>
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Not to mention the charges were not about voter fraud...
Dan
Dan
Certainly more accurate than, say, 2000, 2002, 2004, and 2006...
Dan
RD (The Sandman)
@newsfe01.iad:
> Alric Knebel wrote:
>> edi...@netpath.net wrote:
>>> FROM YESTERDAY'S NEW YORK TIMES:
>>> LAS VEGAS � A prominent antipoverty organization that drew criticism
>>> from Republicans during last year�s presidential race was charged by
>>> Nevada officials Monday with engaging in voter registration fraud.
>>>
>>> Two former leaders of the group�s Nevada branch were also charged in
>>> connection with the submission of thousands of bogus voter
>>> registration forms.
>>>
>>> The organization, the Association of Community Organizations for
>>> Reform Now, or Acorn, is accused of paying canvassers only if they
>>> registered at least 20 voters per shift and providing bonuses of $5
>>> for registering more than 21.
>>>
>>> Under Nevada law, it is illegal to attach incentives to such work, in
>>> part because it encourages canvassers to submit fraudulent forms,
>>> Secretary of State Ross Miller said.
>>>
>>> Acorn submitted 91,002 completed forms in Clark County, which
includes
>>> Las Vegas, of which 23,186 turned out to be valid new voters who
voted
>>> in November, according to data provided by Mr. Miller�s office.
>>>
>>> Mr. Miller investigated Acorn at the behest of the Clark County
>>> registrar of voters, Larry Lomax, who noted a high number of forms
>>> turned in featuring the names of famous football players and cartoon
>>> characters.
>>>
>>> �This is not a case of voter fraud, it�s a case of voter registration
>>> fraud,� Mr. Miller said. �I�m very confident that none of these
>>> fraudulent voter forms found their way into the voter registration
>>> rolls or to cast votes.�
>>>
>>> The indictment includes 13 counts each against Acorn and its former
>>> Las Vegas field director, Christopher Edwards, who is accused of
>>> creating an incentive program called �blackjack� because $5 was paid
>>> for signing more than 21 prospective voters.
>>>
>>> Also indicted was Acorn�s former deputy regional director, Amy
>>> Busefink, on 13 counts of principle to the crime of compensation for
>>> registration of voters. Each charge carries a potential one- to four-
>>> year prison term and a $5,000 fine.
>>>
>>> Acorn�s national spokesman, Scott Levenson, called the indictments
>>> �political grandstanding� by Mr. Miller and Attorney General
Catherine
>>> Cortez Masto, both Democrats.
>>>
>>> Mr. Levenson said Acorn had fired both employees and has cooperated
>>> with investigators.
>>>
>>> �This is in complete violation of Acorn national policy, and to
indict
>>> us is a clear case of blaming the victim,� Mr. Levenson said. �We had
>>> an errant employee who violated our policy and he was ordered to
>>> stop.�
>>>
>>> Neither the former employees nor Las Vegas Acorn officials could be
>>> reached for comment.
>>>
>>> In the final month of the campaign, supporters of Senator John
McCain,
>>> the Republican presidential candidate, charged that Acorn was trying
>>> to fraudulently enroll Democratic voters likely to support Mr.
>>> McCain�s opponent, Senator Barack Obama.
>>>
>>> Yet on Monday, Nevada Republicans said they doubted Acorn�s activity
>>> had any impact on the outcome of the 2008 election in Nevada. Mr.
>>> Obama won the state by 12 percentage points.
>>>
>>> �It wasn�t that close,� the state Republican chairwoman, Sue Lowden,
>>> said.
>>>
>>> But Ms. Lowden added, �This is just the sort of thing that we need to
>>> be cracking down on now for a clean 2010 election.�
>>
>>
>> I guess this is the "scandal" du jour. I know you want to jump on
this
>> to argue that Obama isn't a legitimate president, you fucking stupid
>> fruit, but this was covered already. All these people are guilty of
is
>> making up new registrants. The vote count was accurate.
>
> Certainly more accurate than, say, 2000, 2002, 2004, and 2006...
And your proof or cite of that is........????
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to extend your arm and whump that sucker up
alongside the head!!!!
edi...@netpath.net
> Alric Knebel wrote:
> > I guess this is the "scandal" du jour. I know you want to jump on this
> > to argue that Obama isn't a legitimate president, you fucking stupid
> > fruit, but this was covered already. All these people are guilty of is
> > making up new registrants. The vote count was accurate.
>
> Certainly more accurate than, say, 2000, 2002, 2004, and 2006...
Seven MORE of ACORN's workers just got criminally charged with voter
fraud in last year's presidential elections - these seven in
Pennsylvania. How many MORE of ACORN's workers must be charged with
felony vote-fraud charges in how many MORE states before you accept
that:
1) Obama never was legitimately elected.
2) The 2008 presidential elections were illegitimate.
3) That ACORN is a "continuing criminal enterprise" for federal-law
purposes.
4) That widespread use of ACORN to conduct a fraudulent presidential
election makes the regime illegitimate as a government for Red Nation.
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Dan
Do you lie habitually, or do you practice?
Not one of the seven is accused of vote fraud...
Dan
Jim Alder
Right. Not one. More than one.
ACORN Members Facing Voter Registration Fraud
KDKA - ?12 hours ago?
An investigator enters the ACORN office in Las Vegas on Oct. 7, 2008. The
Allegheny County District Attorney announced today ...
Pittsburgh ACORN Workers Accused Of Faking Voter Forms
ThePittsburghChannel.com
Seven ACORN volunteers charged with voter fraud
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
Nevada files voter fraud charges against ACORN
MiamiHerald.com
Nevada charges ACORN illegally paid to sign voters
The Associated Press
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Dan
I see it is a congenital condition. Were I you, I'd say you need to be
killed. Since I am a bleeding heart liberal, you live another day.
Let me put this in simple enough terms for, perhaps, even someone as
dumb as you might understand: ZERO of those in the article stand accused
of voter fraud. You are aware (like that is possible) that Federal law
requires the submission (with appropriate flags) of all names on voter
registration forms to the registrar...
How Do you remember to breathe? (And, no, that is not a rhetorical
question. Look up the word rhetorical...)
Dan
edi...@netpath.net
Day that Chrysler shuts down for keeps - and it even LOOKS like
General Motors also will - is the day that "the shit hits the fan"
begins in the auto-plant Midwest. That's because all the guys with
good middle-class jobs in the vast supplier and dealer networks also
will suddenly be dispossessed - and no longer bought off into social
stability and superficial loyalty to a regime that's sold them out.
What do you think the average auto worker thinks about that article
the Washington Post ran last night about how the "bailout" of General
Motors calls for it "offshoring" twice as much carmaking of cars for
the American market?
Jim Alder
> Jim Alder wrote:
>> Dan <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> edi...@netpath.net wrote:
>>>> Seven MORE of ACORN's workers just got criminally charged with voter
>>>> fraud in last year's presidential elections - these seven in
>>>> Pennsylvania.
>>>>
>>> Do you lie habitually, or do you practice?
>>>
>>> Not one of the seven is accused of vote fraud...
>>
>> Right. Not one. More than one.
>>
>> Seven ACORN volunteers charged with voter fraud
>> Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
>> Nevada files voter fraud charges against ACORN
>> MiamiHerald.com
>
> I see it is a congenital condition. Were I you, I'd say you need to be
> killed.
Step up, bitch.
> Since I am a bleeding heart liberal, you live another day.
You know, one day I'm going to find a liberal who can actually defend his
side of an argument rather than just turn into a prissy little pussy and tell
me I'm the one that's stupid, while they present nothing to back up their
lies. Today is not that day, obviously.
> Let me put this in simple enough terms for, perhaps, even someone as
> dumb as you might understand:
Even after only our brief time together here, I'm fairly certain that your
mental capacity would limit you to 'simple' no matter who your audience was.
> ZERO of those in the article stand accused
> of voter fraud.
From the article:
"[Acorn] was charged by Nevada officials Monday with engaging in voter
registration fraud.
Two former leaders of the group's Nevada branch were also charged..."
Now if your argument is a semantic one, and you think the word
'registration' gets you off the hook, well, ain't you special? The article was
talking about Nevada, while the original poster said seven ACORN workers in
Pennsylvania were charged. (see the headline above)
So are you illiterate, or just another lying sack of liberal idiocy?
> You are aware (like that is possible) that Federal law
> requires the submission (with appropriate flags) of all names on voter
> registration forms to the registrar...
>
> How Do you remember to breathe? (And, no, that is not a rhetorical
> question. Look up the word rhetorical...)
I don't need to. Look up the word nincompoop. You'll find your picture.
Dan
> Dan <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jim Alder wrote:
>>> Dan <dnad...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> edi...@netpath.net wrote:
>
>>>>> Seven MORE of ACORN's workers just got criminally charged with voter
>>>>> fraud in last year's presidential elections - these seven in
>>>>> Pennsylvania.
>>>>>
>>>> Do you lie habitually, or do you practice?
>>>>
>>>> Not one of the seven is accused of vote fraud...
>>> Right. Not one. More than one.
>>>
>>> Seven ACORN volunteers charged with voter fraud
>>> Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
>>> Nevada files voter fraud charges against ACORN
>>> MiamiHerald.com
>> I see it is a congenital condition. Were I you, I'd say you need to be
>> killed.
>
> Step up, bitch.
>
>> Since I am a bleeding heart liberal, you live another day.
>
> You know, one day I'm going to find a liberal who can actually defend his
> side of an argument rather than just turn into a prissy little pussy and tell
> me I'm the one that's stupid, while they present nothing to back up their
> lies. Today is not that day, obviously.
When you present an argument, I might deign to refute it. My argument
is simple (though, evidently, not simple enough): you [generic] make the
claim, you can back it up. This issue has been discussed ad nauseum and
shown to be fiction on the part of Republicans sad that the voting
public are no longer True Believers(TM). And yet, up pops yet another
dittohead to slow to actually find relevant information before
embarrassing herself yet again in a public forum.
>> Let me put this in simple enough terms for, perhaps, even someone as
>> dumb as you might understand:
>
> Even after only our brief time together here, I'm fairly certain that your
> mental capacity would limit you to 'simple' no matter who your audience was.
Yawn. One of us is lazy AND stupid. Evidence does NOT point in my
direction (not that I can't be lazy at times).
>> ZERO of those in the article stand accused
>> of voter fraud.
>
> From the article:
>
> "[Acorn] was charged by Nevada officials Monday with engaging in voter
> registration fraud.
> Two former leaders of the group's Nevada branch were also charged..."
>
> Now if your argument is a semantic one, and you think the word
> 'registration' gets you off the hook, well, ain't you special? The article was
> talking about Nevada, while the original poster said seven ACORN workers in
> Pennsylvania were charged. (see the headline above)
>
> So are you illiterate, or just another lying sack of liberal idiocy?
Blink, blink. Wow!
>> You are aware (like that is possible) that Federal law
>> requires the submission (with appropriate flags) of all names on voter
>> registration forms to the registrar...
>>
>> How Do you remember to breathe? (And, no, that is not a rhetorical
>> question. Look up the word rhetorical...)
>
> I don't need to. Look up the word nincompoop. You'll find your picture.
Can't defend a single line. Typical.
Dan
Jim Alder
Oh, bite my ass, you pompous little asshole.
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Gunner Asch
wrote:
>>> >> vote.
>>>
>>> > Sure - as if those making up phony registrations can't bring a
>>> > Manhattan phone book and use real-sounding names for their phony
>>> > "registrants" who then "vote?"
>>>
>>> Absolutely no proof of that happening though.
>>
>> How easy is it going to be to "prove" - unless someone actually doing
>> it finks - that a new "voter" named "Robert Pittorino" didn't exist if
>> his name got "created" that way?
>
>So you have no proof you Big Mouthed Asshole? So why do you keep posting
>bullshit?
So it is true.
If Alred blithers and Buggerman rants against it...sure as Crom made
twinkies..it has to be true.
Gunner
"Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with
minimum food or water,in austere conditions, day and night. The only thing
clean on him is his weapon. He doesn't worry about what workout to do---
his rucksack weighs what it weighs, and he runs until the enemy stops chasing him.
The True Believer doesn't care 'how hard it is'; he knows he either wins or he dies.
He doesn't go home at 1700; he is home. He knows only the 'Cause.' Now, who wants to quit?"
NCOIC of the Special Forces Assessment and Selection Course in a welcome speech to new SF candidates
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Buggerman isnt used t thinking ....period.
pyotr filipivich
<gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> reported Elvis on Sat, 09 May 2009
07:53:25 -0700 in misc.survivalism:
>On Wed, 6 May 2009 15:25:20 -0700 (PDT), hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
>wrote:
>
>>On May 6, 3:25�pm, dank...@rocketmail.com wrote:
>>> On May 6, 5:37�am, "Bugman" <jmpos...@hotmail.com> wrote..
>>>
>>> > When they are charged with vote fraud let us know. This is registration
>>> > fraud. Big difference
>>>
>>> A fraudulent voter registration can be used to cast a fraudulent
>>> ballot, especially since no identification is required to vote.
>>
>>Not obvious enough for Bugman. He's not used to detailed thinking.
He's also apparently unable to distinguish between the crime of
"registration fraud" (committed by person A) and "vote fraud"
committed by a "Mickey Mouse", fraudulently enrolled by person A.
Of course, not all fraudulent voter registrations have fake names.
Sometimes there is a real person, and that is their real name, but
they are registered to vote at an unacceptable address, such as a
commercial building or mailbox.
When the margin of victory is smaller than the margin of error,
and the suspect ballots are larger than either ... can one really say
it was a fair election?
tschus
pyotr
-
pyotr filipivich.
Just about the time you finally see light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a Government Project to build more tunnel.
hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
Curly Surmudgeon
The preponderance of evidence is that Dan tells the truth even if we
disagree with his politics. You, on the other hand, well, you have six
hands and as many lies for every factoid. Cockroach.
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hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com
wrote:
> On Tue, 12 May 2009 17:13:22 -0700, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote:
> > On May 7, 8:20 am, Dan <dnada...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Dan
>
> > Dan weighs in and claims another victory.
>
> The preponderance of evidence is that Dan tells the truth even if we
> disagree with his politics. You, on the other hand, well, you have six
> hands and as many lies for every factoid. Cockroach.
I don't respect your opinion, only your right to give them.
> --
> Regards, Curly
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> Arrest Me. I Allow No Dissenting Opinions.
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Curly Surmudgeon
<edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
> FROM YESTERDAY'S NEW YORK TIMES:
> LAS VEGAS — A prominent antipoverty organization that drew criticism
> from Republicans during last year’s presidential race was charged by
> Nevada officials Monday with engaging in voter registration fraud.
http://www.usatoday.com/NEWS/usaedition/2009-12-24-capcol24_ST_U.htm?
csp=34
Review finds zero ACORN wrongdoing
The Congressional Research Service said in a new report that it couldn't
find any instances in which people who were improperly registered to vote
by the activist group known as ACORN showed up at the polls on Election
Day.
ACORN also is being investigated by the Government Accountability Office,
Congress' investigative arm.
ACORN CEO Bertha Lewis has said that although phony registrations were
discovered, the group was required by law to submit them to local
elections boards. Lewis has called allegations of voter fraud "an utter
fabrication and a work of fiction."
The research service report said it found no instances in which someone
registered by ACORN under a phony name tried to vote.
The report also found no instances in the past five years of ACORN
misusing federal funds.
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None4U
"Curly Surmudgeon" <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote in message
news:hh1596$d1s$8...@news.eternal-september.org...
> On Tue, 05 May 2009 21:23:47 -0700, "edi...@netpath.net"
> <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>
>> FROM YESTERDAY'S NEW YORK TIMES:
They payoff well ., Dont they.
Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:
> Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySu...@live.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 05 May 2009 21:23:47 -0700, "edi...@netpath.net"
>><edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>>
>>> FROM YESTERDAY'S NEW YORK TIMES:
>>> LAS VEGAS — A prominent antipoverty organization that drew criticism
>>> from Republicans during last year’s presidential race was charged by
>>> Nevada officials Monday with engaging in voter registration fraud.
>>
>>
>>http://www.usatoday.com/NEWS/usaedition/2009-12-24-capcol24_ST_U.htm?
>>csp=34
>>
>>Review finds zero ACORN wrongdoing
>>
>>The Congressional Research Service said in a new report that it couldn't
>>find any instances in which people who were improperly registered to
>>vote by the activist group known as ACORN showed up at the polls on
>>Election Day.
>
> The crime is improper registration. It matters not if they actually use
> it to vote. If they do, that's a second crime, but either way the first
> crime is there.
>
>>ACORN also is being investigated by the Government Accountability
>>Office, Congress' investigative arm.
>>
>>ACORN CEO Bertha Lewis has said that although phony registrations were
>>discovered, the group was required by law to submit them to local
>>elections boards. Lewis has called allegations of voter fraud "an utter
>>fabrication and a work of fiction."
>>
>>The research service report said it found no instances in which someone
>>registered by ACORN under a phony name tried to vote.
>
> The crime is registering under false credentials.
Agreed. Those who falsely registered are guilty, not ACORN.
> It matters not if
> they actually use it to vote. If they do, that's a second crime, but
> either way the first crime is there.
Dan
>> <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>>
>>> FROM YESTERDAY'S NEW YORK TIMES:
>>> from Republicans during last year�s presidential race was charged by
>>> Nevada officials Monday with engaging in voter registration fraud.
>>
>> http://www.usatoday.com/NEWS/usaedition/2009-12-24-capcol24_ST_U.htm?
>> csp=34
>>
>> Review finds zero ACORN wrongdoing
>>
>> The Congressional Research Service said in a new report that it couldn't
>> find any instances in which people who were improperly registered to vote
>> by the activist group known as ACORN showed up at the polls on Election
>> Day.
>
> use it to vote. If they do, that's a second crime, but either way the
> first crime is there.
True, which is why the piece is titled "Review finds zero ACORN wrongdoing."
Duh...
>> ACORN also is being investigated by the Government Accountability Office,
>> Congress' investigative arm.
>>
>> ACORN CEO Bertha Lewis has said that although phony registrations were
>> discovered, the group was required by law to submit them to local
>> elections boards. Lewis has called allegations of voter fraud "an utter
>> fabrication and a work of fiction."
>>
>> The research service report said it found no instances in which someone
>> registered by ACORN under a phony name tried to vote.
>
> The crime is registering under false credentials. It matters not if
> they actually use it to vote. If they do, that's a second crime, but
> either way the first crime is there.
True, which is why the piece is titled "Review finds zero ACORN wrongdoing."
Duh...
Sheesh.
Dan