Turks, Armenians share similar genes, say Armenian scientists
rick murphy
nothing. If an Armenian did not figure out expect a sinister benefit
behind it, he/she would not disclose anyuthing like that. For that
reason alone, I do not think this is real. I strongly suspect it is
made up or pseudo or non-repeatable science. I would like to hear
something that from an independent (a 3rd party) scientist/expert to
believe it.
Do not jump on it saying "not all Armenians are the same" That is
true. But one rose cannot make a spring as the Turkish old-saying
goes. There are nearly three millions Armenians in the World, inside
and outside of Armenia, today. If only one of them burned himself to
protest the murders of hundreds of innocent Turkish diplomats during
1970s and '80s, one out of three millions is .0000003 per-cent. For
all practical purposes, this is to say all Armenians are the same. But
nevertheless that one very honorable person dared to protest shows the
fact that if an Armenian is not brain-washed with anti-Turkish hatred,
he/she can act honorably.
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Turks, Armenians share similar genes, say scientists
Thursday, December 24, 2009
Cansu ÇAMLIBEL
YEREVAN - Hürriyet
Turks, Armenians and Kurds are genetically linked to each other,
Armenian scientists say, calling for a joint research with their
Turkish colleagues on the genetic similarities. European politicians,
who have supported the recent normalization efforts, will also back
the project, they say
While Ankara and Yerevan struggle to ease long-standing tension that
has divided the two neighbors for years, a discovery about genes
appears to remind everyone how close the two nations actually are.
Armenian scientists said they observed high genetic matching between
the two nations during their research on leukemia. They say Kurds are
also genetically linked to the Armenians and Turks.
“Turks and Armenians were the two societies throughout the world that
were genetically close to each other. Kurds are also in same genetic
pool,” Savak Avagian, director of Armenia’s bone marrow bank, said in
an interview with daily Hürriyet.
Calling on his Turkish colleagues to examine the genetic similarities
of the two nations in addition to asking for funds from the European
Union, Avagian said he believes European politicians, who have
supported the recent normalization efforts between Turkey and Armenia,
would also back the project.
Genetic research in 1998 also supported the Armenian scientists’
findings. A project titled “The Genetic Relations between
Mediterranean Communities,” prepared by three Spanish scholars from
the molecular biology division of Complutense University in Madrid,
defines the Turks and Armenians as two branches with the same genetic
origin.
However, Avagian said few people know the genetic similarities between
Turks and Armenians. “The high ratio that we observed in bone marrow
matching supports our thesis. I am sure everybody will be surprised
when they hear this scientific truth.”
Marrow cooperation
The Armenian Marrow Bank has 15,000 Armenian donors in its records and
is cooperating with 59 other banks through the World Marrow Donor
Association.
Mihran Nazeretian, chief doctor of the bank, defined the institution’s
mission as trying to “discover whether there is an equivalence of
cells between Armenian donors and a patient living elsewhere in the
world.”
“The patient’s ethnic background, citizenship, or political and
religious views are not important at all,” Nazeretian said, signaling
his willingness to cooperate with Turkish marrow banks.
Avagian said he visited Turkey in 2005 and met with the executives of
marrow banks in both Ankara and Istanbul with an offer of a joint
project. But Turkish officials were not interested in Avagian’s offer
and applied alone for EU funds on marrow research. In the end, their
request was rejected.
Noting the more convenient atmosphere between Turkey and Armenia,
Avagian said: “If we knock on the doors of the European Union
together, they would consider our request twice. Now, there is a
political motivation, too. The bloc has already voiced support for the
normalization talks between the two nations and I bet many politicians
would support such medical research.”
Nazeretian said they would provide marrow without question if a
Turkish patient would match with one of their Armenian donors.
The doctor told of his experience with Turkish patients, saying: “From
Armenia, we found 43 matches with the bank in Istanbul and five with
the one in Ankara and we made immediate inquiries. However, nobody
responded. Unfortunately none of those matching results led to a
marrow transplant.”
Nazeretian said there might be various reasons for the failure. “Maybe
the patient found another donor in Turkey or the patient was lost
before our response,” he said.
He also said there have been Armenian matches for Turks living in
Germany as well but that no matches had resulted in transplants. “My
only wish is for a transplant between an Armenian donor and a Turkish
patient to happen one day,” he said.
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> Even if this were true, an Armenian would never disclose it for
> nothing. If an Armenian did not figure out expect a sinister benefit
> behind it, he/she would not disclose anyuthing like that. For that
> reason alone, I do not think this is real. I strongly suspect it is
> made up or pseudo or non-repeatable science. I would like to hear
> something that from an independent (a 3rd party) scientist/expert to
> believe it.
Turks and Armenians would naturally share similar genes due to their
geographical proximity. However, I expect that Armenians would
vehemently deny the relationship, simply because it would allow Turkey
to lay claim upon their territory, causing them to be invaded and
sodomized by rampaging mobs of Turks.
Grand Sen~or
lem Ricko the Zipco, fazla ileri gitme len!!
lem bu armeniler de turklerden bir turk olmasin sakin;->>
u zaman sooole denebilir TTDK tarafindan:
ARMENILER TURKLER'IN PATIRTI cikaranlaridir;->>
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"In our previous letter we affirmed that the Sassoun troubles were
brought about by the criminal efforts of Armenian revolutionary
committees, and that no reliance whatever ought to be placed on
Armenian testimony and assertions."
August 23, 1895, Wednesday
Page 12, 2665 words
THE SASSOUN MASSACRE
Proof of the Assertion that Armenian Revolutionist Caused it.
TESTIMONY OF REV CYRUS HAMLIN
A Protest Against Americans Helping England to Realize Political
Aspirations in the East.
To the Editor of the New-York Times
In our previous letter we affirmed that the Sassoun troubles were
brought about by the criminal efforts of Armenian revolutionary
committees, and that no reliance whatever ought to be placed on
Armenian testimony and assertions. We now propose to prove these two
affirmations, not by Turkish -that is to say, Mussulman- testimony,
but by American and European -namely, Christiona testimony.
First -The man who, above all, gave the most explicit and true account
of the Armenian revolutionary movement is the Rev. Cyrus Hamlin
himself. On October 23rd of December 1893, or, in other words, only a
few months before the revolt of Sassoun, he published in The
Congregationalist a truly prophetic statement, the perusal of which is
absolutely necessary for the impartial understanding of the case. Here
is the statement:
"An Armenian "revolutionary" party is causing great evil and suffering
to the missionary work and to the whole Christian population of
certain parts of the Turkish(1) Empire. It is a secret organization,
and is managed with a skill in deceit which is known only in the East.
In a variety distributed pamphlets the following announcement is made
at the close:
"'This is the only Armenian party which is leading on the
revolutionary movement in Armenia. Its center is in Athens, and it has
branches in every village and city in Armenia, also in colonies.
Nishan Garabedian, one of the founders of the party, is in America,
and those desiring to get further information may communicate with
him, addressing Nishan Garabedian, 15 Fountain Street, Worcester,
Mass, or with the center, M. Beniard, Poste Restante, Athens, Greece.'
"A very intelligent Armenian gentleman, who speaks fluently and
correctly English as well as Armenian, and is an eloquent defender of
the revolution, assured me that they have the strongest: 'These
Huntchaguist bands, organized all over the empire, will watch their
opportunities to kill Turks and Kurds, set fire to their villages, and
then make their escape into the mountains. The enraged Moslems will
then rise and fall upon defenseless Armenians, and slaughter them with
such barbarities that Russia will enter, in the name of humanity and
Christian civilization, and take possession.'
"'When I denounced the scheme as atrocious and infernal beyond
anything ever known, he calmly replied: "It appears so to you, no
doubt, but we Armenians are determined to be free. Europe listened to
the Bulgarian horrors, and made Bulgaria free. She will listen to our
cry when it does up in the shrieks and blood of millions of women and
children.' I urged in vain that this scheme would make the very name
Armenian hatefull among all civilized people. He replied: 'We are
despearte; we shall do it.'
"'But your people do not want Russian protection. They prefer Turkey,
bad as she is. There are hundreds of miles of conterminous territory
into which emigration is easy at all times. It has been so for all the
centuries of Moslem rule. If your people preferred the Russian
Government, there would not now be an Armenian family in Turkey.'
"'Yes,' he replied, 'and for such stupidity they will have to suffer.'
"'I have had conversations with others who avow the same things, but
no one acknowledges that he is a member of the party. Falsehood, of
course, justifiable where murder and arson are.
"In Turkey the party aims to excite the Turks against Protestant
missionaries and against Protestant Armenians. All the troubles at
Marsovan originated in their movements. They are cunning,
unprincipled, and cruel. They terrorize their own people by demanding
contributions of money under threats which has often been put into
execution.
"I have made the mildest possible disclosure of only a few of the
abominations of this Huntchaguist revolutionary party. It is of
Russian origin; Russian gold and craft govern it. Let all
missionaries, home and foreign, denounce it. Let all Protestant
Armenians everywhere boldly denounce it. It is trying to enter every
Sunday school and deceive and pervert the innocent and ignorant into
supporters of this craft. We must, therefore, be careful that in
befriending Armenians we do nothing that can be construed into an
approval of this movement, which all should abhor. While yet we
recognize the probability that some Armenians in this country,
ignorant of the real object and cruel designs of the Huntchaguists,
are led by their patriotism to join with them, and while we sympathize
with sufferings of the Armenians at home, we must stand aloof from any
such desperate attempts, which contemplate the destruction of
Protestant missions, churches, schools, and Bible work, involving all
in a common ruin that is diligently and craftily sought. Let all home
and foreign missionaries beware of any alliance with, or countenance
of, the Huntchguits."
We do not really know whether the Rev. Cyrus Hamlin is considering to
be a prophet in his own country, but his prophetic faculties as far as
the last Armenian revolt is concerned are nor denied in Turkey. They
are simply marvelous -for months before the occurrence of the Sassoun
troubles the Rev Cyrus Hamlin had exactly and minutely shown what
they would be. And yet, after the fulfillment of his own prophecy, the
Rev Cyrus Hamlin was bold enough to say that the above statement was
written by him only "to show the absurdity of the revolutionary
plotters." The reverend gentleman must have a candid and innocent
soul. Otherwise he would not have attempted to prove to fair-minded
Americans that the "bloodthirstiness" of the Armenian revolutionary
plotters is synonymous to their "absurdity." We suppose that the Rev.
Cyrus Hamlin will also attribute to the "absurdity of revolutionary
plotter" the following statement, showing his past guilty interference
in Turkish affairs. One of these Armenian "plotters" made some time
ago to The Boston Herald this extraordinary admission, which, for the
honor of Robert College, if not for his own, the Rev. Cyrus Hamlin
ought, if he can, to contradict:
"Several years ago" writes the Armenian, "I heard him lecture at
Amherst Mass. How proud he was to tell his audience the important part
taken by the Bulgarian graduates of Robert College in securing the
freedom the freedom and independence of their country! I ask the Rev.
Cyrus Hamlin if he was not aware of the existence of patriotic
societies among his Bulgarian students," &c
But in order to show that the Rev. Cyrus Hamlin's prophecy holds good,
let American readers reflect on the following passage of a letter
written by a special correspondent of the Associated Press, who
visited Turkey after the Sassoun revolt, and who, although bitterly
opposed to the Turkish Goverment, wrote as follows:
"It is a fact that certain of the Armenian conspirators arranged to
murder of the Rev. Edward Riggs and tow other American missionaries at
Marsovan and fasten the blame upon Turks, in order that the United
States might inflict summary punishment upon the Turkish Government,
thereby making possible Armenian independence. One will search a long
time in the pages of history for a more diabolical plot than that.
Moreover, the missionaries would have been murdered had not an
American friend warned them. Dr. Riggs has unselfishly given his life
to the education of Armenian youth in the missionary schools, and done
more than any Armenian has ever tried to do toward making Armenians
worthy of autonomous government. Yet the revolutionary conspirators
apparently gave that fact little thought. * * * It is of course,
impossible to say to what extent radical ideas prevail among the
revolutionary propagandists, but the plans of some of the leaders are
shocking in the extreme.
"In brief, their plans are to commit atrocities upon Turks, in order
that the infuriated Turks shall shock the Christian world by the
fiendish outrages of their retaliation. When remonstrated with in
regard of these un-Christian plans, the men who are responsible for
them merely say: "It may seem to you cruel and barbarous, but we know
what we are doing, and why we are doing it."
"The financial methods of these men are almost as ingenious as their
plans of political agitation. Certain Armenians of a lower grade of
mental ability are required to furnish so many thousands piastres to
the comittee, and the means of obtaining the money are plainly mapped
out. Here is a case in point:
A wealthy Turk(2) in the service of the Government in Constantinople
received a letter on morning, saying that unless he deposited 12,000
piastres in a certain place within twenty-four hours he would be
killed.An investigation led to the discovery of the fact that the
letter was written by an Armenian who had been in his employ as a
trusted servant for several years. The servant confessed his guilt,
but asserted in self-defense that revolutionary agitators had
compelled him top write the letter under penalty of death. It was a
case of choice of wills, and the poor wretch saved his life at the
expense of a long term imprisonment. It is believed that a great deal
of money is raised this way, but whether of not this money gets beyond
the pockets of the revolutionary agitators, no man pretends to know.
There is a theory that this money is used in the purchase of rifles
and ammunitions, but that is a matter known only to the agitators
themselves."
The reason why English public opinion is generally in favor of the
Armenians is both political and religious. No real esteem for the
Armenians themselves exists in England. Besides, everybody admits in
Europe that Armenians are, as a race, much inferior to the Turks.
Armenians, even in olden times, showed no greatness. Their influence
in the world has been absolutely nil. In science, in art, in
literature, an warlike achievements, they have left no trace. But,
they are Christians; and this is one reason why English public opinion
is in their favor. The political reason lies in the fact that England
wishes to harass Turkey for just opposition of the latter to English
scandalous encroachments on Egyptian territory, which, after all,
belongs legitimately to the Sultan. It is just as if England had taken
possession of one of your states, and at the same time were fermenting
discontent for, and disapprobation of, your treatment of the Indian
race which Columbus found supreme on this continent.
Such being the real state of things, we consider that it is quite for
public opinion in the United States to see how erroneous and even anti-
American is the policy which consists in helping England in her
political aspirations in the East. American public opinion ought to
remain aloof from European intrigues. It ought especially to learn to
estimate correctly the value of Armenian assertions and of the
Armenian moral standard.
"If," writes the Associated Press correspondent above quoted, "the
detailed facts of the Sassoun massacre are never established, it must
be independently of Armenian testimony, or their value may be
seriously questioned. In the first place. every Armenian with whom it
has been my lot to come in contact, seems to have a very vague idea of
the value of truth. In the second place, in his anxiety to make out a
case against the Turk, he is willing to publish as fact, any grotesque
rumor that he may chance to fall over the street. In the third place,
he does not really know what actually took place in the Sassoun
mountains, but his vanity will not permit him to acknowledge it, and
so, to be up with the times and to help along the cause of his people,
he embellished the rumor that he hears, and frequently says that he is
in secret communication with friends an Moosh and Bitlis, who are
harboring Sassoun refugees. The average Armenians cannot be believed
on oath."
"In this deplorable condition of Armenian honesty, we find a true
explanation of the following remarkable incident, an account of which
was given at the time, as follows, by all the newspapers:
"The story which has been thrilling the world for some time past of
the wife of the Armenians leader Grego, who, rather than suffer
dishonor at the hands of her Turkish(3) persecutors, threw herself,
with her child in her arms, into an abyss, and was followed by other
women until the ravine was filled with corpses, has been exploded, as
many persons predicted it would be, at the time it was sprung upon the
public. It has been discovered that the horrible narrative is a
reproduction, with additions and embellishments to suit the occasion,
of an old tale told in poetry by Mrs. Hemans years ago, under the
title of 'The Soluiote Mother.'"
In the face of all the innumerable Armenian falsehoods of this kind,
word has just reached us that Mr. Gladstone, in his chester speech,
asserted that the world is in possession of independent American
testimony favorable to the Armenians. No greater error has been ever
made. Mr. Gladstone ought to have known better. There is absolutely no
American testimony regarding the Sassoun troubles. And the reason is
very simple. No American was at the Sassoun district at the time of
the revolt. The Rev. F. D. Greene, it is true, published a slanderous
pamphlet on the "Armenian Crisis in Turkey(4)," in which he printed a
few documents supposed to be well authenticated. But no American-born
citizen saw anything of the Sassoun disturbances, it follows
necessarily that said documents were written either by Armenians or by
American missionaries, under the inspiration of Armenians. Therefore,
the Rev. F. D. Greene's pamphlet is based upon Armenian falsehoods.
This makes it utterly and completely valueless. Mr. Gladstone owes to
us to show where and how he was able to find a single genuine American
document favoring the Armenian allegations; that is to say, the
allegations of a people who "cannot be believed on oath." Facts,
however, have very seldom disturbed Mr. Gladstone's fanaticism. We
trust that Americans having no political views on Turkey will see how
dangerous it is to encourage, ether by word or by moral help, Armenian
revolutionists, for the simple reason that they are Christians.
"Armenia," wrote some time ago the correspondent mentioned above, "is
preparing for war. The revolutionary party has now both money and
guns. During the past eight weeks money has poured into the
revolutionary treasury in a steady stream from Armenian colonies in
Batoum, Tiflis, Baku, Erivan, Etchmiadzin and other places in Russia,
and from Rescht, Kazvin, Teheran, Tebriz, Khoi, and other cities in
Persia. I have not visited the Armenian colonies on the north coast of
the Black Sea, nor the large colony at Ispahan in Southern Persia,
but I am reliably informed that revolutionary agents have been as busy
there as elsewhere. I have seen myself a considerable sum of this
money raised publicly, and I am told that the wealthy Armenian
merchants in the cities I have named have made large private
contributions, with promises of more for future use if needed.
"The money raised publicly has been obtained by means of balls, social
entertainments, theatrical performances, and lotteries. These
functions were ostensibly for the 'benefit of Sassoun refugees.' But,
it was a very thin disguise. It was thoroughly understood what the
money was wanted for, and that the Sassoun refugees would not see a
penny of it except in the shape of rifles and ammunition."
The cries, therefore, in favor of the Sassoun refugees and the
famished are either based on Armenian falsehoods or uttered by those
who have political aims to further and attain. Could Americans be
deceived by such a very disguise"? We doubt it.
Constantinople, Aug. 8.
1. Ottoman empire. Not Turkish empire.
2. There was no "wealthy Turk" in Ottoman empire. This "wealthy Turk"
was a wealth Ottoman who could be an Armenian, Greek, Jew or a number
of nationalities of non-Turkish background, or a devshirme.
3. Not Turkish. Ottoman
4. Not Turkey. Ottoman empire
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http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9B03E0DC1738E633A25750C1A9679D946596D6CF
Turkish Armenians In Armed Revolt
The New York Times
Published: Novembver 13, 1914
Were Ready to Join Russian Invaders, Having Drilled and Collected Arms
SEE DAY OF DELIVEREANCE
Native Paper Says They are Prepared for Any Sacrifice - Refuse to Join
Turkish Army.
PETROGRAD, Nov. 12. - Reports reaching to Russian capital from the
Turkish border attach increasing importance to the part the Armenians
are playing in the Russo-Turkish war.
In the several towns occupuied by the Russians the Armenian students
have shown themselves ready to join the invading army, explaingin that
they had prepared themsleves for the Russian approach by constant
drilling and by gathering arms secretly. All along the line of march,
according to these dispatches, the Armenian peasants are receiving the
Russian troops with enthusiasm and giving provisions to them freely.
An Armenian newspaper, referring to this crisis in the history of
Armenia, publishes the following:
"The long-anticipated day of deliverance for the Turkish Armenians is
at hand, and the Armenians are prepared for any sacrifice made
necessary by the performance of their manisfest duty."
From this border country there have come to Petrograd further reports
of armed conflicts arising from the refusal of Armenians to become
Turkish conscripts and to surrender thier arms.
It is now rumored that the important City of Van is now besieged by
Armenian guerrila bands in great force. In Feitun the number of
insurgents is said to exceed 20,000m and they are reported to have
defeated all the Turkish troops sents against them, causing heavy
losses to the Turks.