While there is no (NO) real freedom of religion in Turkey, if is very odd for Turkey to complain "Swiss minaret ban violates basic human rights"
rick murphy
While there is no (NO) real freedom of religion in Turkey, if is very
odd for Turkey to complain "Swiss minaret ban violates basic human
rights"
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Turkey says Swiss ban violates freedoms
Tuesday, December 1, 2009
ANKARA – Hürriyet Daily News
Turkey demonstrated an all-out reaction Tuesday to a Swiss ban on
minarets, saying it was violating basic human rights and freedoms.
President Abdullah Gül, speaking to reporters in Ankara before
departing for Jordan, said the issue should be followed seriously.
“This is a noteworthy example in terms of showing how animosity toward
Islam, as we call it ‘Islamophobia,’ has been developing in the
Western world. This is a disgrace for the Swiss,” said Gül.
In Parliament, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said the ban was a
reflection of increasing racist and extreme nationalist waves in
Europe, recalling the remarks he made earlier that Islamophobia was a
crime against humanity just like anti-Semitism.
“What is the relationship of a mosque minaret with fundamentalism?
That is an outdated, primitive understanding,” said Erdoğan,
addressing his ruling Justice and Development Party, or AKP, deputies.
His remarks came in response to the Swiss justice minister who said
the ban targeted not Muslims but fundamentalism.
“The ban and making such a statement are two separate mistakes,” said
Erdoğan, adding that the referendum result in a country considered the
cradle of democracy and freedom worried many people.
“Such kinds of issues cannot be taken to referendum … these are rights
coming from birth. I am speaking as the prime minister of a country,
of a civilization that proved mosques and synagogues can co-exist on
the same street for centuries,” Erdoğan said. “It is incomprehensible
that while we are restoring such temples, [the Swiss] are taking such
steps.”
The referendum by the nationalist Swiss People’s Party labeled
minarets as symbols of rising Muslim political power that could one
day transform Switzerland into an Islamic nation. The initiative was
approved 57.5 to 42.5 percent during the referendum Sunday. Not only
Muslims but also international organizations criticized the vote.
Europe’s top human rights watchdog, the Council of Europe, indicated
that the heavily criticized vote could be overturned.
Erdoğan expressed the hope that European Union member states, and such
institutions as the European Court of Human Rights, would display
sensitivity and would not allow the world to be dragged into tension.
“Bearing the title of co-chairman of the Alliance of Civilizations, it
is my duty to remind you that it is necessary to turn back from this
mistake as soon as possible,” said Erdoğan. “The world would no longer
wants to see chauvinist approaches in this era.”
He said there should be a limit to what can be taken to referendum in
democracies, stressing that basic rights and freedoms cannot be put to
vote. “Switzerland has made a mistake. I am calling for common sense,”
he said.
In a written statement, the Turkish Foreign Ministry said the Swiss
vote has caused disappointment and is unfortunate. It called on
Switzerland to correct the decision, adding that more than 100,000
Turks living in Switzerland were worried.
“Switzerland, having a respected place in the international arena with
its tradition of respecting diversity and reconciliation, is expected
by Turkey and the international community to take steps to correct
this situation, which does not comply with its traditions,” the
ministry said.
The opposition also criticized the ban, with Republican People’s
Party, or CHP, leader Deniz Baykal considering it as an important
development for Europe to question itself and its outlook toward Islam
and for Turkey to question both Europe and itself.
“Europe cannot put this aside,” said the party leader in Parliament.
Nationalist Movement Party, or MHP, leader Devlet Bahçeli strongly
condemned the ban and called it a "black stain on Europe's human
rights and freedom of religion and conscious record." In a written
statement, he said the referendum result showed Western values were
confined to Christianity and discriminated against other religions.
Grand Sen~or
> While there is no (NO) real freedom of religion in Turkey, if is very
> odd for Turkey to complain "Swiss minaret ban violates basic human
> rights"
But, then TR is just another secularo-fascist State like any other EU
States - a mono-law State.
choro
remarks. Let the reader decide what to make of the news item.
While I am myself an atheist, I still think that the Swiss ban on minarets
violates freedom of thought and expression as well as freedom of religion,
even though personally I don't like to see minarets all over the place which
is hardly likely to happen in Switzerland.
If anything is likely to put the backs up of fundamentalist islamists it is
such discrimination that will succeed in doing it. Trying to ban something
is a sure way of concentrating people's thoughts on the matter. It is the
perennial attraction of "the forbidden fruit".
Personally I think this is indicative of Switzerland shifting to the extreme
right. Not what I would call a democratic move, I am afraid, and
particularly sad in a country that is supposed to show the world human
tolerance.
--
choro
*******
PS: As you will have noticed, I have changed your header to something more
appropriate. You still "can't straighten your dick with your two hands" as
the rude saying goes in Turkish.
Iki elinle bir sikini dogrultamiyorsun, len tahta kafali!
rick murphy wrote:
> While there is no (NO) real freedom of religion in Turkey, if is very
> odd for Turkey to complain "Swiss minaret ban violates basic human
> rights"
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?msg=commentsaved&n=turkey-says-swiss-ban-violates-freedoms-2009-12-01
>
> Turkey says Swiss ban violates freedoms
>
> Tuesday, December 1, 2009
> ANKARA - H�rriyet Daily News
>
> Turkey demonstrated an all-out reaction Tuesday to a Swiss ban on
> minarets, saying it was violating basic human rights and freedoms.
>
> President Abdullah G�l, speaking to reporters in Ankara before
> departing for Jordan, said the issue should be followed seriously.
>
> "This is a noteworthy example in terms of showing how animosity toward
> Islam, as we call it 'Islamophobia,' has been developing in the
> Western world. This is a disgrace for the Swiss," said G�l.
>
> In Parliament, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the ban was a
> reflection of increasing racist and extreme nationalist waves in
> Europe, recalling the remarks he made earlier that Islamophobia was a
> crime against humanity just like anti-Semitism.
>
> "What is the relationship of a mosque minaret with fundamentalism?
> That is an outdated, primitive understanding," said Erdogan,
> addressing his ruling Justice and Development Party, or AKP, deputies.
>
> His remarks came in response to the Swiss justice minister who said
> the ban targeted not Muslims but fundamentalism.
>
> "The ban and making such a statement are two separate mistakes," said
> Erdogan, adding that the referendum result in a country considered the
> cradle of democracy and freedom worried many people.
>
> "Such kinds of issues cannot be taken to referendum . these are rights
> coming from birth. I am speaking as the prime minister of a country,
> of a civilization that proved mosques and synagogues can co-exist on
> the same street for centuries," Erdogan said. "It is incomprehensible
> that while we are restoring such temples, [the Swiss] are taking such
> steps."
>
> The referendum by the nationalist Swiss People's Party labeled
> minarets as symbols of rising Muslim political power that could one
> day transform Switzerland into an Islamic nation. The initiative was
> approved 57.5 to 42.5 percent during the referendum Sunday. Not only
> Muslims but also international organizations criticized the vote.
> Europe's top human rights watchdog, the Council of Europe, indicated
> that the heavily criticized vote could be overturned.
>
> Erdogan expressed the hope that European Union member states, and such
> institutions as the European Court of Human Rights, would display
> sensitivity and would not allow the world to be dragged into tension.
>
> "Bearing the title of co-chairman of the Alliance of Civilizations, it
> is my duty to remind you that it is necessary to turn back from this
> mistake as soon as possible," said Erdogan. "The world would no longer
> wants to see chauvinist approaches in this era."
>
> He said there should be a limit to what can be taken to referendum in
> democracies, stressing that basic rights and freedoms cannot be put to
> vote. "Switzerland has made a mistake. I am calling for common sense,"
> he said.
>
> In a written statement, the Turkish Foreign Ministry said the Swiss
> vote has caused disappointment and is unfortunate. It called on
> Switzerland to correct the decision, adding that more than 100,000
> Turks living in Switzerland were worried.
>
> "Switzerland, having a respected place in the international arena with
> its tradition of respecting diversity and reconciliation, is expected
> by Turkey and the international community to take steps to correct
> this situation, which does not comply with its traditions," the
> ministry said.
>
> The opposition also criticized the ban, with Republican People's
> Party, or CHP, leader Deniz Baykal considering it as an important
> development for Europe to question itself and its outlook toward Islam
> and for Turkey to question both Europe and itself.
>
> "Europe cannot put this aside," said the party leader in Parliament.
>
> Nationalist Movement Party, or MHP, leader Devlet Bah�eli strongly
Macreau
>
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Before Turks complain about Swiss referendum in regards to minarets,
they should reflect in their tratement of minority religious
institutions.
When was the last time Turks permit Christians built a churc in
Turkey?
Did you know that ( the most probably Turks do not know) NOT A SINGLE
NAIL could be used to repair a tile in any Armenian church in Turkey?
They have to take an special permission from the VAKIFLAR which never
comes.
Several years ago the roof of Balik Pazar Armenian Church was leaking
due to heavy rain. The priest , who was quite a handy man, found the
leak and nailed down a loose tile.....A very " neighbourly" Turk
reported it to the authorities that Armenians were renovating the
church. What that poor priest went through your can only
imagin....hearing, spending night in the prision etc.etc.....
SO......Before you complain about Swiss you fix your own backyard...
porsuk
You are a big liar Mackerel head!
You lie thinking that no one will question your baseless claims. The
most recent example that negates your lie is that of an Armenian
church (Surp Krikor Lusavoriç Church) in Kayseri. The restoration was
completed just recently after many years of work.
Since you read Turkish, you may want to translate the following news
article for the benefit of those who do not read Turkish.
http://web.dha.com.tr/n.php?n=kayseride-restore-edilen-ermeni-kilisesi-acildi-2009-11-07
> They have to take an special permission from the VAKIFLAR which never
> comes.
> Several years ago the roof of Balik Pazar Armenian Church was leaking
> due to heavy rain. The priest , who was quite a handy man, found the
> leak and nailed down a loose tile.....A very " neighbourly" Turk
> reported it to the authorities that Armenians were renovating the
> church. What that poor priest went through your can only
> imagin....hearing, spending night in the prision etc.etc.....
> SO......Before you complain about Swiss you fix your own backyard...- Hide quoted text -
choro
> completed just recently after many years of work.
>
> Since you read Turkish, you may want to translate the following news
> article for the benefit of those who do not read Turkish.
>
> http://web.dha.com.tr/n.php?n=kayseride-restore-edilen-ermeni-kilisesi-acildi-2009-11-07
Macreau does NOT know Turkish when it comes to reading a news items about
the restoration of an Armenian church only very recently with the reopening
ceremony being held only last month.
The article also mentions that there had been a big internal restoration
done at the
same church in 1990.
Poor lying Macreau, he is like a fish out of water when it comes to reading
Turkish unless of course the item is anti-Turkish. He did after all do his
national service as an officer in the Turkish army. Now that he has turned
rabid anti-Turkish he can only read material that is anti-Turkish in the
Turkish language. Born and bred in Turkey, received free state education in
Turkey, did his national service as an officer, presumably as a second
lieutenant but he is still not satisfied. Some people are just plain too
greedy. Obviously the pastures in France were greener or at least from a
distance they appeared to be so.
You can never please some people.The Armenian diaspora even threaten the
Armenian government. They are more rabid nationalists than the Armenians of
Armenia. They get all hot under the collar when they hear about
normalization of Turkish-Armenian relations. They have turned hatred into a
profitable industry.
"Hortumlar cali$iyor". I dare say the man is making a good living out of
this; the anti-Turkish hate industry.
--
choro
*******
rick murphy
synagogues, or any house of worship of any non-Moslem religion. On the
contrary, the existing ones are being closed. That is not really a
freedom of religion.
One cannot see a person of Christian or Jewish religions, or any other
non-Moslem religion in TSK (Turkish military) as officers
(commissioned or non-commissioned) or in any goverment organizations.
That is not domocratic, secular or freedom of religion.
A military officer (commissioned or non-commissioned) is fired
immediately if he converts to Christianity, Judaism or any other non-
Moslem religions. That is not freedom of religion. And yet commission
military officers never steps foot in a Moslem mosque, but their
funaral services are done in Moslem tradition, and burried in Moslem
cemeteries when they die.
There are a hand-full of female commissioned military officers for
propaganda purposes only. A lot of them color their hair blond (they
want to look like Europeans) and the cameras (both of press and of
military public relations) focus on them. But there is no female
enlisted personnel or non-commissioned officers.
Supposedly "secular" Turkish goverment owns and operates Islamic
religious schools at highschool and post-highschool levels. That is
not democratic at all.
They say Turkey is in cross-roads between and East and West. May be
that is the case, but only may be.. But for sure, Turkey is a strange
country.
On Dec 1, 9:08 pm, rick murphy <RichardTRMur...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> While there is no (NO) real freedom of religion in Turkey, if is very
> odd for Turkey to complain "Swiss minaret ban violates basic human
> rights"
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?msg=commentsaved&n=turkey-says...
choro
> Turkish goverment does not allow any Christian churches, Jewish
> synagogues, or any house of worship of any non-Moslem religion. On the
> contrary, the existing ones are being closed. That is not really a
> freedom of religion.
Oh really?!!!!!
A few of the churches in Istanbul
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Anthony_of_Padua_Church_in_Istanbul
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_St._Mary_of_Blachernae_(Istanbul)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_St._Mary_of_the_Mongols
A few of the synagogues in Istanbul
http://www.google.co.uk/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enGB306GB306&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=istanbul+synagogues
http://www.bazaarturkey.com/tours/synagogues_istanbul.html
http://www.turkofamerica.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=235&Itemid=171
Church in Konya
http://www.datamap-bg.com/conference_cd/pdf/P4_229_Durduran_Tu_Poster.pdfOne
of the most important places in Konya is St. Paul Church that is present at
the Center of Konya, visited by people and in which religious ceremonies are
still continuing. Tourists also visit that church.
Churches in Izmir
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1GGLS_enGB306GB306&q=churches+Izmir+Turkey&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=
Synagogues in Izmir
http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=izmir+synagogues
I am sure there are lots more active churches and synagogues scattered all
over Turkey.
You are a strange one, rich/rick or dick or whoever or whatever you are;
really strange. May be things are not perfect but that's no excuse to tell
downright lies.
I am sure I can find scores more currently active churches and synagogues if
I did a few more googling. For heaven's sake man, even in England which is
a Christian country churches are closing down left right and centre and
being converted into all sorts of other things.
And while I myself am an atheist, I fully believe in freedom of religion.
As far as I am concerned faith is something between an individual and his
"creator" while I myself choose to believe in the power of the laws of
physics and chemistry which for argument's sake we can call the omnipotent
nature.
And YOU, whoever you are, rich, rick or a right proper dick, you are nothing
but an "e$$eoglu e$$ek". It is obvious that your knowledge of Turkey is
rather superficial.
BTW, you haven't changed masters recently, have you? Who are you working for
now? Who are your masters? It is evident not only to me but to everybody
following sct that you have changed your tune recently.
What is your political agenda? It would be interesting to know!
I know you are only doing a job for a paypacket. That is quite obvious.
--
choro
*******
>> ANKARA - H�rriyet Daily News
>>
>> Turkey demonstrated an all-out reaction Tuesday to a Swiss ban on
>> minarets, saying it was violating basic human rights and freedoms.
>>
>> President Abdullah G�l, speaking to reporters in Ankara before
>> departing for Jordan, said the issue should be followed seriously.
>>
>> "This is a noteworthy example in terms of showing how animosity
>> toward Islam, as we call it 'Islamophobia,' has been developing in
>> the Western world. This is a disgrace for the Swiss," said G�l.
>>
>> In Parliament, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said the ban was a
>> reflection of increasing racist and extreme nationalist waves in
>> Europe, recalling the remarks he made earlier that Islamophobia was a
>> crime against humanity just like anti-Semitism.
>>
>> "What is the relationship of a mosque minaret with fundamentalism?
>> That is an outdated, primitive understanding," said Erdogan,
>> addressing his ruling Justice and Development Party, or AKP,
>> deputies.
>>
>> His remarks came in response to the Swiss justice minister who said
>> the ban targeted not Muslims but fundamentalism.
>>
>> "The ban and making such a statement are two separate mistakes," said
>> Erdogan, adding that the referendum result in a country considered
>> the cradle of democracy and freedom worried many people.
>>
>> "Such kinds of issues cannot be taken to referendum . these are
>> rights coming from birth. I am speaking as the prime minister of a
>> country, of a civilization that proved mosques and synagogues can
>> co-exist on the same street for centuries," Erdogan said. "It is
>> incomprehensible that while we are restoring such temples, [the
>> Swiss] are taking such steps."
>>
>> The referendum by the nationalist Swiss People's Party labeled
>> minarets as symbols of rising Muslim political power that could one
>> day transform Switzerland into an Islamic nation. The initiative was
>> approved 57.5 to 42.5 percent during the referendum Sunday. Not only
>> Muslims but also international organizations criticized the vote.
>> Europe's top human rights watchdog, the Council of Europe, indicated
>> that the heavily criticized vote could be overturned.
>>
>> Erdogan expressed the hope that European Union member states, and
>> such institutions as the European Court of Human Rights, would
>> display sensitivity and would not allow the world to be dragged into
>> tension.
>>
>> "Bearing the title of co-chairman of the Alliance of Civilizations,
>> it is my duty to remind you that it is necessary to turn back from
>> this mistake as soon as possible," said Erdogan. "The world would no
>> longer wants to see chauvinist approaches in this era."
>>
>> He said there should be a limit to what can be taken to referendum in
>> democracies, stressing that basic rights and freedoms cannot be put
>> to vote. "Switzerland has made a mistake. I am calling for common
>> sense," he said.
>>
>> In a written statement, the Turkish Foreign Ministry said the Swiss
>> vote has caused disappointment and is unfortunate. It called on
>> Switzerland to correct the decision, adding that more than 100,000
>> Turks living in Switzerland were worried.
>>
>> "Switzerland, having a respected place in the international arena
>> with its tradition of respecting diversity and reconciliation, is
>> expected by Turkey and the international community to take steps to
>> correct this situation, which does not comply with its traditions,"
>> the ministry said.
>>
>> The opposition also criticized the ban, with Republican People's
>> Party, or CHP, leader Deniz Baykal considering it as an important
>> development for Europe to question itself and its outlook toward
>> Islam and for Turkey to question both Europe and itself.
>>
>> "Europe cannot put this aside," said the party leader in Parliament.
>>
>> Nationalist Movement Party, or MHP, leader Devlet Bah�eli strongly
Macreau
> completed just recently after many years of work.
>
> Since you read Turkish, you may want to translate the following news
> article for the benefit of those who do not read Turkish.
>
>
>
>
> > They have to take an special permission from the VAKIFLAR �which never
> > comes.
> > Several years ago the roof of Balik Pazar Armenian Church was leaking
> > due to heavy rain. The priest , who was quite a handy man, found the
> > leak and nailed down a loose tile.....A very " neighbourly" Turk
> > reported �it to the authorities that Armenians were renovating the
> > church. What that poor priest went through your can only
> > imagin....hearing, spending night in the prision etc.etc.....
> > SO......Before you complain about Swiss �you fix your own backyard...- Hide quoted text -
>
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Dear Nazi,
You may bark but can not change facts. Turkey is "Gotunu yirtiyor" to
be accepted in EU, thus it has to show that it is changing. Only
recently they showed how "democratic and European" they are and
renovated the Akhtamar in Lake Van NOT, I repeat NOT as a church but
as a museum. They did not even installed the cross. Again the Kayseri
church is a showcase..nothing more.......Take your head out of sand
Devekusu...the truth is only hidden away from Turks like you...and
your thinking is muzzeled by 80 years of Nazi propaganda...a Turk is a
Turk is a Turk...the leopard does not change its spot...in this case
Nazi mentality..
choro
> On Dec 2, 1:37?pm, porsuk <pors...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> institutions.
>>> When was the last time Turks permit ?Christians built a churc in
>>> Turkey?
>>> Did you know that ( the most probably Turks do not know) NOT A
>>> SINGLE
>>> NAIL could be used to repair a tile in any Armenian church in
>>> Turkey?
>>
>> You are a big liar Mackerel head!
>> You lie thinking that no one will question your baseless claims. The
>> most recent example that negates your lie is that of an Armenian
>> completed just recently after many years of work.
>>
>> Since you read Turkish, you may want to translate the following news
>> article for the benefit of those who do not read Turkish.
>>
>> http://web.dha.com.tr/n.php?n=kayseride-restore-edilen-ermeni-kilises...
>>
>>
>>
>>> never
>>> comes.
>>> Several years ago the roof of Balik Pazar Armenian Church was
>>> leaking
>>> due to heavy rain. The priest , who was quite a handy man, found the
>>> leak and nailed down a loose tile.....A very " neighbourly" Turk
>>> church. What that poor priest went through your can only
>>> imagin....hearing, spending night in the prision etc.etc.....
>>> backyard...- Hide quoted text -
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> Dear Nazi,
> You may bark but can not change facts. Turkey is "Gotunu yirtiyor" to
> be accepted in EU, thus it has to show that it is changing. Only
> recently they showed how "democratic and European" they are and
> renovated the Akhtamar in Lake Van NOT, I repeat NOT as a church but
> as a museum. They did not even installed the cross. Again the Kayseri
> church is a showcase..nothing more.......Take your head out of sand
> Devekusu...the truth is only hidden away from Turks like you...and
> your thinking is muzzeled by 80 years of Nazi propaganda...a Turk is a
> Turk is a Turk...the leopard does not change its spot...in this case
> Nazi mentality..
Ah Macreau, but the question is who is a fascist or a Nazi? I suspect it is
YOU and not me.
What happened to all the mosques the Moores built in Spain? But do you ever
hear me raising my voice?
But you have ignored what I said that you were born and raised and educated
in Turkey and that you even served your national service not as a private
but as an officer, the same as an ethnic Turk with the same higher
education.
I have no quarrel or grievance against any sensible humanist Armenian or
Greek or indeed a Chinaman. For me we are all part of mankind.
But unfortunately it was the Armenian diaspora that went into a fortissimo
mode against normalization of Turkish/Armenian relations. So now tell me,
who is being unreasonable?
There are tens of thousands of Armenians from Armenia happily living and
working in Turkey. It is only the Armenian diaspora that go into "tutti"
protestations against normalization of relations between Turkey and Armenia.
But do tell me Macreau, you mackerel, whether all the mosques in Karabagh
are in a good state of repair or indeed in use? And you occupied Karabagh
only yesterday, nay only minutes ago in historic terms.
Indeed are all the churches in Armenia itself in a good state of repair and
in actual use?
Come off it, Macreau, you are nothing but an indoctrinated Armenian fascist.
Good job not all Armenians are like you. I know this because in my younger
days I met and mixed socially with a lot of Armenians.
--
choro
*******
Grand Sen~or
Yav choro, ne de guzel tatli, tatli anlatiyorsun, Rahmet;i Annem derdi
ki "Tatli soz yilani bile deliginden cikarir";->>
Bakalim bu sozler bu Uskumru'ya ne yapacak;->>>
porsuk
From the hate-filled words you spewed, it is obvious who the Nazi is.
When the inconvenient truth (to you, that is) is brought up, you make
up facts--"showcase"--and resort to name calling. Showcase, indeed!!
You are a liar and a racist filled with hatred towards Turks. I,
fortunately, am not filled with hatred towards any one nationality and
thus am a very happy individual unlike you.
Grand Sen~or
Prsuk, bazi insanlar vardir ki nefret etmeden yasiyamazlar, bunlara
nefret-ozurluler denir, belki de bunlarin nefreti gercekten nefret
edilmesi greken hedeflere kaydirilarak ehlilestirilebilir, ama bu uzun
ve zahmetli bir istir, sabir ve zaman gerektirir. Fakat oteyandan bazi
insanlar da vardir ki nefret edilmeden yasiyamazlar, eger yeryuzunde
onlardan nefret etmeyen kalmadiysa bunlar yasama icgudusunu kaybetmise
donerler, alabildigine kendilerini nefret yildirimlari cekecek
eylemlere girisirler, yerlesim bolgelerinin etrafina celikten,
betondan, fuze kalkanindan duvarlar orerler sonra da karsi tarafa
onlardan nefret etmeyenlere bomba yagdirirlar ki dikkatleri uzerlerine
cekip nefret edilsinler diye. Bu da yetmez, bundan sonra nefret
edilmelerinde tam tatmine ulasmak icin birbirlerine sorarlar "Bunlar
bizden neden nefret eder anlamiyoruz?!".
Grand Sen~or
Peki uniciyan hangi kategoriye dusuyor?"
Uniciyan sui generis'dir, o hem nefret etmekten, hemde nefret
edilmekten hoslanan Nefret-i Kmil bir insandir.
BTW, to avoid MINARET BAN of SWISS secularo-fascists MUSLIMS decided
to build a MOSQUE without MINARET on top of JUNG FRAU JOCH to call all
EU to prayer to the Merciful God of Europe, Asia, Africa, America,
Antarctica, Australia and New Zealand and beyond that Swiss don't want
to hear about;->
SWISS and other civilized secularo-fascist States of Europe and other
lands already silenced the call to the prayer from the MINARETS, it
seems that is not enough they have to erase them from the scenery,
they believe that MINARETs oscillate undetectable electro-magnetic
fields which disturbs tranquility of their socio-political
environment...
Wouldn't it be cool to see a MOSQUE without MINARET (okey!) on JUNG
FRAU JOCH calling skiers to the prayer to the Merciful for a break to
remember that the Merciful is the Ultimate OWNER of the mountains and
the ski fields.
rick murphy
"Grand Sen~or" <Grandse...@yahoo.com> is a neo-Ottoman and an anti-
Turkish hate monger and an extremist Islamist. Everything he/she says
at SCT is a felony defined by the laws of the Republic of Turkiye.
Macreau
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years later they were gone. Besides there are no more Moors left to
use any mosques. Can you say the same for Armenians...It was our land
long before you showed up from Mongolia....what happened 1800 churches
of Anatolia???/
You are talking about being brought up in Turkey . Yes...indeed....we
were brain washed with make -believe history of Turks.....after I left
Turkey that I learned the truth....an history of not bravery but
invasion, butchery, forced Islamization....and specially TOTALLY
fabricated history to fit Kemal's vision....
The reason the Diaspora went "Tutti" as you say, it is because facts
are ignored...
One point it says that today's frontier should be recognized per
International law i.e. Kars Treaty
Let this Armenian educate you....
The Kars treaty was signed between two entities THAT WERE NOT
Recognized by International law. When Kemal signed it there was a
legitimate Ottoman government in Istanbul. Kemal was not recognized by
International law yet....By the same token...The communist resgime in
Russia was fighting the White Russia and it was not recognized by
International law...
Let's educate you moron....two entities, not part of the international
society had signed among themselves an understanding in Kars....Two
rogue entities that are not recognized ( yet) signed the Kars Treaty.
THUS, Turkey's claims of International Law has no legal base.....go
and ask this to an International law expert.
RECOGNITION of the genocide....First you say "Mea Culpa" than..we will
see how to improve our relations...
This educational lines is lost to your years of brainwashed
mind..eh...havanla su dovuyoruz.....
Grand Sen~or
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> # 1..Moores had no place in Spain. They invaded and several hundred
> years later they were gone. Besides there are no more Moors left to
> use any mosques. Can you say the same for Armenians...It was our land
> long before you showed up from Mongolia....what happened 1800 churches
> of Anatolia???/
well, then you guys wait till we are gone;->>
or take it like that;-> you were invading those land we have inherited
from you after you have gone;->>
yes like you are there are no more Moors in Spain, they are all gone,
disappear intp the thin air;->>
what happened to thousands of MOSQUES and LIBRARIES in SPAIN?
all gone with the Moors into the thin air?
it seems that in history sometimes people and their buildings
disappear, for example in SWITZERLAND before Muslims will disappear
from there they make the MINARETs and in FRANCE the head scarfs of
MUSLIMS disappear into the thin air by referendum/law.
In fact as long as Secularo-fascists are in power a lot of MUSLIM/
CHRISTIAN/JEWISH and their institutions will rapidly disappear. Some
of the Churches 9thousands of them in fact) is not disappearing but
are converted into discos and restaurants, because there not enough
Christians left to fill them, now they watch the ceremonies via TV and
Internet;->>