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pegas...@my-deja.com

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Oct 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/5/99
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Dear Friends,
As an advocate for Animals the pet trade calls Exotics, I was contacted
regarding some problems with Martha Stewart's pet educator. In response
we have a campaign going on. There are easy cut and paste email messages
as well as contact info on our site. The work her "educator" is doing is
disgusting. For instance, he claims that it is okay to catch wild mice
and stick them in an aquarium and keep as pets. I know there are worse
things going on. This man has a big voice though, thanks to Martha.
Also we've put up some easy hr2929 - The Elephant Accident Prevention
Act of 1999 pages with contact information and cut and paste email.
Feel free to print and distribute or refer the masses etc.
Both pages can be accessed through our campaigns page
http://www.kindplanet.org/campaigns.html
Thanks for your time.
Regards, diane of The Sanctuary

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Jazmyn Concolor

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Oct 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/5/99
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Your 'facts' are another case of an AR group who has NO idea what they
are talking about.

Mice have been domesticated for over 100 years now. Used as lab
animals, pets and for feeding reptiles and other carnivores whose diet
includes rodents. Domesticated 'fancy' mice are also bred for show
animals. There is little need to keep wild mice unless you are a zoo,
collector or such and you are keeping animals to study their diet, for
captive breeding/domestication, etc. In fact, you must have a permit in
most states to collect wild rodents and the risks are known by the
collector and all precautions taken. Deer mice are the species in which
a few members have been known to carry hanta virus. They are not
collected in areas which are known to be harbors for the virus and
rarely collected by anyone at any rate. The majority of 'exotic mice'
kept by the pet trade are captive bred African species, such as the
zebra mouse, spiny mouse, pygmy mouse, striped grass mouse and such.
Gerbils, jerboas, jirds and other species of rodents have been captive
bred for a very long time, which shows mostly in the gerbil by the range
of color and coat mutations they now sport.

The segment on the web site about elephants is misleading as most of the
deaths were in zoos, not circuses. But working with elephants is a
dangerous business since this is a VERY large animal who takes a brave,
dedicated professional to train them or even work around them. However,
it has been stated by zookeepers that elephants need mental
stimulation..and that a circus provides more then a zoo can by daily
training activities. Also, elephants are not 'abused' to train them.
They are rewarded for performing behaviors. If anyone is stupid enough
to think they can beat an animal the size of an elephant, they are out
of their minds. If any of the 'dead trainers' were guilty of trying
this, then they have already been removed by the elephants. Out of the
thousands of elephants that work around humans, there is a small percent
of unstable animals. This happens with any species. There are just a
few that DON'T work out and turn nasty with both other elephants and
with people. Some dedicated trainers work hard to stabilize these rogue
elephants, but in the old days in India and Asia, such elephants would
have been killed rather then risk human life trying to train them.

The ARs should be singing the praises of the trainers who are willing to
work to find out why a specific elephant is a rogue and discover how to
rahab them, rather then just kill the rogues and move on like the old
mahouts did.


Jazmyn Concolor

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Oct 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/5/99
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Oh... I might mention that the domesticated mouse was bred from the
common 'house mouse', which is a seperate species from the deer mouse.
The deer mice found carrying hanta virus were, from what I could find,
found in New Mexico, in one small area. Note though, that these mice
have been known to enter human dwellings in search of food or hiding
places and there is more risk from this then anyone trying to keep them
as pets...

House Mouse - Mus musculus
Deer Mouse - Peromyscus maniculatus


R Bishop

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Oct 5, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/5/99
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In article <kcarroll-051...@blv-pm403-ip23.nwnexus.net>,
kcar...@horse-country.com (Kris Carroll) wrote:

>jaz...@firstlight.net wrote:
>> The deer mice found carrying hanta virus were, from what I could find,
>> found in New Mexico, in one small area.
>

>Keep looking. There were 2 cases of hanta type viral infection in WA state
>within the past few months.
>

And several in Arizona, if I remember correctly, plus I think there was one
or two in Colorado.

>Kris C.

Sue

Official Secretary of OSGSL

Dogs think they're human
Cats think they're God


John Mercer

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Oct 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/6/99
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R Bishop <bis...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> In article <kcarroll-051...@blv-pm403-ip23.nwnexus.net>,
> kcar...@horse-country.com (Kris Carroll) wrote:
>
> >jaz...@firstlight.net wrote:
> >> The deer mice found carrying hanta virus were, from what I could find,
> >> found in New Mexico, in one small area.
> >
> >Keep looking. There were 2 cases of hanta type viral infection in WA state
> >within the past few months.
> >
>
> And several in Arizona, if I remember correctly, plus I think there was one
> or two in Colorado.

Two or three in my area, too. A rancher (and population biologist)
friend of mine is participating in trapping of deer mice to determine
frequencies of infection.

--
John Mercer

Jazmyn Concolor

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Oct 6, 1999, 3:00:00 AM10/6/99
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Hmmm... I'll have to add this to my notes on deer mice. Actually my area of
interest in rodents extends more into African species, but I do try to keep an
eye on the effects of the native ones. However the numbers of people getting
the virus are still so statistically low as to not view it as a real problem
yet. Your chances of winning your local state Lotto are still better then
getting hanta virus, rabies, TB, plague or any other disease carried by a limited
number of animals.
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