http://groups.google.com/group/talk.philosophy 2004-09-25T00:19:50Z Google Groups Marvin Edwards mbe4t...@earthlink.net 2004-09-25T00:19:50Z http://groups.google.com/group/talk.philosophy/browse_thread/thread/6846bb8aef0d7cf3/e7afe2d39f43727f?show_docid=e7afe2d39f43727f

Interesting spin. Well, actually, cyncism is so common in newsgroups these <br> days that it's not that interesting anymore. <br> Anyway, there was this book on Systems Analysis I read long ago, and it was <br> describing how one should document an existing system before designing a new <br> one. It said you want to identify the &quot;good&quot; or benefit the organization or

IAmConcerned ay987654...@yahoo.com 2004-09-24T21:59:15Z http://groups.google.com/group/talk.philosophy/browse_thread/thread/6846bb8aef0d7cf3/7b8edb3841cb89d5?show_docid=7b8edb3841cb89d5

By your definition, morality is incompatible with capitalism and <br> democracy. Capitalism says that everyone is by nature selfish and <br> seeks own self-interest and profit, mostly at the expense of others. <br> Democracy, which is group oriented, says that every group should seek <br> political power in order to promote its &quot;selfish&quot; ideology, usually at

Marvin Edwards mbe4t...@earthlink.net 2004-09-24T01:50:16Z http://groups.google.com/group/talk.philosophy/browse_thread/thread/6846bb8aef0d7cf3/09bef7ef2ef37ca9?show_docid=09bef7ef2ef37ca9

We call something &quot;good&quot; if it meets a real need we have as individuals, <br> society, or species. Air, food, and water are essential to us. Without them <br> we experience discomfort, and if we go without them for too long, we die. <br> The necessary &quot;means&quot; to these essentials are also really needed. We require

Mike/Atl mikemcnary2...@yahoo.com 2004-09-23T21:33:12Z http://groups.google.com/group/talk.philosophy/browse_thread/thread/6846bb8aef0d7cf3/fde823a579d49459?show_docid=fde823a579d49459

Joseph-- <br> Thanks for your well thought out posts. As soon as I'm able I'll <br> check your web site. The ? of good and evil is one I've bounced <br> around within myself with some vigor. I feel on the edge of more <br> understanding of it and think discourse with others is helpful. <br> I'll throw out some loose thoughts to you. Individuals seem like a

Joseph H jos...@humanisation.org 2004-09-18T17:20:11Z http://groups.google.com/group/talk.philosophy/browse_thread/thread/6846bb8aef0d7cf3/2b2070cf292bcafb?show_docid=2b2070cf292bcafb

good response!

Joseph H jos...@humanisation.org 2004-09-18T17:11:40Z http://groups.google.com/group/talk.philosophy/browse_thread/thread/bc2f0eacf9c89557/cb65d567b8e993eb?show_docid=cb65d567b8e993eb

Ouch!

Joseph H jos...@humanisation.org 2004-09-18T17:09:03Z http://groups.google.com/group/talk.philosophy/browse_thread/thread/bc2f0eacf9c89557/70f44bf50101b444?show_docid=70f44bf50101b444

But, Merv, why do you need a foundation other then the mere fact that <br> we are here and that we have a capacity for value. Cast off the past, <br> Merv, you have nothing to lose but your preconceptions. <br> Joseph H <br> <a target="_blank" rel=nofollow href="http://www.humanisation.org">[link]</a>

Joseph H jos...@humanisation.org 2004-09-18T17:03:57Z http://groups.google.com/group/talk.philosophy/browse_thread/thread/bc2f0eacf9c89557/21fcc6aa88c75e87?show_docid=21fcc6aa88c75e87

Bit heavy, Merv, don't you think? I don't associate any of these <br> gentlemen with standard notions of humanism - though part of their <br> outlook may have been similar. <br> I really don't see how my paragraph evokes that response. To say that <br> people want life, that they value existence, is hardly contentious.

Joseph H jos...@humanisation.org 2004-09-18T16:21:03Z http://groups.google.com/group/talk.philosophy/browse_thread/thread/099423d19247700f/564a78917747aa7b?show_docid=564a78917747aa7b

Know the feeing

Jack bgstev...@shaw.ca 2004-09-18T15:37:39Z http://groups.google.com/group/talk.philosophy/browse_thread/thread/099423d19247700f/3c6ed5e336c71011?show_docid=3c6ed5e336c71011

---------8&lt;----- <br> The Reality is actually that most things are completed due to ego. <br> People strive for recognition, to have their name attached to <br> something nthat will bring a form of immortality. Without this, (Good <br> or Bad as it is), people will stop trying to achieve. Unfortunately, <br> it's this same drive that prevents your cause from ever becoming

David V. s...@hotmail.com 2004-09-18T04:30:28Z http://groups.google.com/group/talk.philosophy/browse_thread/thread/bc2f0eacf9c89557/853adead6ca04eaf?show_docid=853adead6ca04eaf

Hitler did. <br> Is this going to degenerate into a No True Scotsman Fallacy? <br> Martin Luther had more effect on Hitler than Nietzsche. <br> That's been attributed to him... got any proof he said it? <br> Only if you come at it from the point of trying to change <br> his religion. <br> That's alright, many do not want to understand what Humanism

Marvin Edwards mbe4t...@earthlink.net 2004-09-18T01:39:37Z http://groups.google.com/group/talk.philosophy/browse_thread/thread/bc2f0eacf9c89557/0300452944d8b791?show_docid=0300452944d8b791

Actually, I find Humanist values consistent with Christian values. Take the <br> theology out of Christianity and you have a man named Jesus teaching <br> morality. Rather than the legalistic view of the Judaism he grew up with, <br> where, like my NT instructor said, all of the big rules were surrounded by <br> layers of little rules, Jesus taught the importance of a moral heart. The

merv bitikofer merv...@netscape.net 2004-09-18T00:32:55Z http://groups.google.com/group/talk.philosophy/browse_thread/thread/bc2f0eacf9c89557/235dbb30d82825fa?show_docid=235dbb30d82825fa

Thanks for shaking me up on this. It actually had never occurred to <br> me that anyone seriously thought Hitler was a Christian – (and I've <br> never read Mein Kampf). But a brief perusal on the net quickly <br> relieved me of this ignorance. Apparently, many among you take Hitler <br> at his word – (maybe he was a trustworthy and honest gentleman as

ian jan_vors...@yahoo.com 2004-09-17T13:42:14Z http://groups.google.com/group/talk.philosophy/browse_thread/thread/bc2f0eacf9c89557/28e171c6e8a58af9?show_docid=28e171c6e8a58af9

With your humanism it is associated with a democratic enviroment. But <br> still this create an enviroment of sitting back and expect the <br> &quot;humanistic&quot; people to provide. Now, capatalism come into play, thus <br> the humanist should initially have been a capatalist to be able to <br> provide to the sit back humanist.

Ty tbeards...@tyler.net 2004-09-17T10:30:19Z http://groups.google.com/group/talk.philosophy/browse_thread/thread/bc2f0eacf9c89557/a69cf59223b92f78?show_docid=a69cf59223b92f78

I've never found dreaming to be particularly &quot;daring&quot; or difficult. In my <br> experience, it is far more &quot;daring&quot; and difficult to actually *do* <br> something... <br> --Ty