Pnyikos: Comes here to troll.

[Thrinaxodon]

The only thing, I've seen from Peter Nyikos, is his complaining, about how "corrupt" this newsgroup is. In my view, it's not corrupt. But, Peter, comes here, only to complain, whine, accuse us of being hypocrites. His posts should be flagged for abuse.



Thrinaxodon

[Bill]

On Mar 29, 4:58�am, Thrinaxodon <biolo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The only thing, I've seen from Peter Nyikos, is his complaining, about how "corrupt" this newsgroup is. In my view, it's not corrupt. But, Peter, comes here, only to complain, whine, accuse us of being hypocrites. His posts should be flagged for abuse.
>
> Thrinaxodon

It's as easy for me to ignore him as it would be for him to ignore all
the people who seem to get under his skin.

[Thrinaxodon]

Why don't you block him? People don't seem to ignore him.

[Charles Brenner]

Most do. Might you be considering a biased sample?

[Paul J Gans]

Charles Brenner <challam...@gmail.com> wrote:

Nah. Ignoring him is easy unless you are being attacked by
name in almost every post he makes. It is somewhat against
our biological natures to ignore continuous attacks. Yet it
can be done.

--
--- Paul J. Gans

[Thrinaxodon]

He often emails me, attacking me, asking "questions", because I accuse him of being a troll. That's why I posted this.

[Thrinaxodon]

On Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:09:36 PM UTC-4, Paul J Gans wrote:

The only reason I posted, was because he attacked me in email.

[Ron O]

On Mar 28, 7:19�pm, Thrinaxodon <biolo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:09:36 PM UTC-4, Paul J Gans wrote:

I've never tried to access my gmail account, and have no memory of
what my password is. Google just assigned it to me when I
registered. I do get some emails on my home account from TO posters
from time to time, but getting delusional email from Nyikos would
likely force me into looking into other ways to deal with the asshole.

Ron Okimoto

[Paul J Gans]

Welcome to the club.

[Bob Casanova]

On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:16:24 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Thrinaxodon
<biol...@gmail.com>:

>On Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:09:36 PM UTC-4, Paul J Gans wrote:
>> Charles Brenner <challam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mar 28, 3:13?pm, Thrinaxodon <biolo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> On Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:07:43 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
>>
>> >> > On Mar 29, 4:58 am, Thrinaxodon <biolo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > > The only thing, I've seen from Peter Nyikos, is his complaining, about how "corrupt" this newsgroup is. In my view, it's not corrupt. But, Peter, comes here, only to complain, whine, accuse us of being hypocrites. His posts should be flagged for abuse.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > > Thrinaxodon
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > It's as easy for me to ignore him as it would be for him to ignore all
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> > the people who seem to get under his skin.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Why don't you block him? People don't seem to ignore him.
>>
>>
>>
>> >Most do. Might you be considering a biased sample?
>>
>>
>>
>> Nah. Ignoring him is easy unless you are being attacked by
>>
>> name in almost every post he makes. It is somewhat against
>>
>> our biological natures to ignore continuous attacks. Yet it
>>
>> can be done.

>He often emails me, attacking me, asking "questions", because I accuse him of being a troll. That's why I posted this.

That's between you and him, and has nothing to do with this
newsgroup. And most ISP mail services and (I believe) mail
clients have means to mark specific sources as spam and
blacklist them.
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."

- McNameless

[pnyikos]

I overlooked this whole thread until Thrinaxodon's recent meltdown,
and only found it (almost two months after it began and ended!)
because I clicked on his profile to see whether the nutjob Thrinaxodon
is the same as the original.

The following bizarre, paranoid comment strongly supports the thesis
that the two are the same.

On Mar 28, 8:16�pm, Thrinaxodon <biolo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> He often emails me, attacking me, asking "questions", because I accuse him of being a troll. That's why I posted this.-

I only e-mailed you once, except for a CC of a post which was a slight
revision of that one e-mail.

What's more, that one "real" e-mail was in reply to a CC you sent me,
and you sent me two other CC's after that.

And to call the one "real" e-mail an "attack" is pretty bizarre in
itself, though not more bizarre than many of the allegations people
make against me, often many a day, and sometimes many in the same
post.

I'll post the e-mail and the CC I sent you to this thread, separately.

Peter Nyikos

[pnyikos]

On Mar 28, 8:19�pm, Thrinaxodon <biolo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, March 28, 2013 8:09:36 PM UTC-4, Paul J Gans wrote:

> > Nah. �Ignoring him is easy unless you are being attacked by
>
> > name in almost every post he makes.

Which never happens, unless Gans is talking about stretches not more
than a day or two in length.

OTOH Gans's innuendo might well be an apt description of the behavior
of his ally J. J. O'Shea, for weeks or months on end, here in t.o.

>
> The only reason I posted, was because he attacked me in email.

Gans might call the only "real" e-mail I sent you an attack, and
maybe about ten other people might, because they love to misrepresent
me.

Anyway, here it is, except for text which was just a copy of things in
the post to which you were replying:

Message-ID:
<1362842803.2915....@web184701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 07:26:43 -0800 (PST)
From: nyikos2 <nyi...@bellsouth.net> Add sender to Contacts
Subject: Re: LIES AND LIARS IN TALK.ORIGINS
To: Thrinaxodon <biol...@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <e83e6d80-d2ad-42ce-
b176-41c...@googlegroups.com>

As you may know, I don't post on weekends except in extraordinary
cases, and your post is so ordinary, I didn't even need to think about
making an exception.

Anyway, I thought you might appreciate a timely response, so I'm
giving you a preview of what I'm planning to write when I get around
to you.

If you dislike me "cluttering up your mailbox", one way not to get
another e-mail from me is to ignore this one. I can take a hint.

Comments interspersed below.

--- On Sat, 3/9/13, Thrinaxodon <biol...@gmail.com> wrote:

Neat touch, adopting the name of a Lower Triassic Galesaurid
Cynodont.

Why don't I see you over in sci.bio.paleontology? Do you think that
newsgroup is a lost cause?

Anyway, the beauty of the old classification scheme is that each
organism had its own family, infraorder, etc. even if one had to get
paraphyletic to do it. That way, diagnostic characters help the field
researcher narrow down the kind of specimen before him.

Can you see why this gives at least one advantage of the old scheme
over the cladistic?

> From: Thrinaxodon <biol...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: LIES AND LIARS IN TALK.ORIGINS
> To: talk.o...@googlegroups.com
> Cc: nyi...@bellsouth.net
> Date: Saturday, March 9, 2013, 12:27 AM
> On Saturday, March 9, 2013 12:14:03
> AM UTC-5, pnyikos wrote:
> > On Mar 7, 6:56 pm, Roger Shrubber <rog.shrub...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mar 8, 8:34 am, pnyikos <nyik...@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:

> > > > On Mar 5, 5:18 pm, Roger Shrubber <rog.shrub...@gmail.com>
> wrote:

> > > > > pnyikos wrote:

> > > So back to the logic. Normally socialized people
> > > with a
> > > normal sense of self-awareness understand how
> > > antisocial
> > > it is to go about accusing people of being liars.

> > Like that ever happened.

Did you make this comment?

> > I didn't come to talk.origins (or talk.abortion, or
> alt.abortion, or
> > It seems like you came here to be a troll.

What accounts for this strange suspicion of yours?

> > sci.bio.paleontology...) to socialize. I came to learn,
> >to teach, and

> > By calling us hypocrites. Very smart.

Do you frequently take comments about small handfuls of people having
nothing to do with you as though they included you ("us")?

> > to help prevent the newsgroup from sliding in the
> >direction thattalk.abortion has slid. I do my
> >socialization elsewhere.
>> If socialization is your main reason for being
> >here, and not anything
> > more serious, then we can go our separate ways, and
> > never bother each other again.
>
> > No, it was created to draw ID and creationism away from
> > the other science discussion boards.

Why are you saying this to me rather than to Roger Shrubber?

Note, I was talking about him, not about the newsgroup.

> > > They would
> > > also understand that a spur of the moment reaction
> > > is less
> > > antisocial than a cold and calculated accusation,
> > >such as
> > > the initiation of a thread with lie or liar in the
> > > title.

> > If "antisocial" is where it's at for you, I suggest you
> >read my reply
> > to Harshman that formed the bulk of my first reply to
> >this post of
> > yours, even though its relevance may have escaped you
> >first time
> > around. "Civil discourse" is close to being the
> >opposite of
> > antisocial behavior, after all, while rudeness is one
> > form of antisocial behavior.
>
> > You've proven your self to be a troll.

What is your definition of "troll," and where is this alleged proof
supposed to have taken place?

> > > And talk.origins has
> > > always been about humor. How can you do anything
> > >but laugh at the idea of adults believing that the
> > >world is
> > > only 10,000 years old and that Noah loaded all the animals
> > > on his arc.
> >
> > We debunk pseudoscientific attacks against science.

That does take place from time to time, and I pitch in from time to
time. Have you seen me trying to set "Dr. Dr. Kleinman" and Martinez
straight about evolution?

However, that is not the theme of this thread.

I couldn't find anything you wrote below. Your posting ISP made
things very hard by putting the same number of attribution marks
before your words as mine. If your ISP charges more than $9 a month,
I suggest you ask Harshman about Giganews.

Peter Nyikos

[pnyikos]

I've got a busy weekend coming up, and so this post probably wraps it
up for today, and I may not post to t.o. again until next week.

On Mar 29, 1:44�pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:16:24 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in talk.origins, posted by Thrinaxodon

> <biolo...@gmail.com>:

> >He often emails me, attacking me, asking "questions", because I accuse him of being a troll. That's why I posted this.

False, and I've set Thrinaxodon straight on this. See my two replies
to him a few minutes ago.

> That's between you and him, and has nothing to do with this
> newsgroup. And most ISP mail services and (I believe) mail
> clients have means to mark specific sources as spam and
> blacklist them.

Well, you've found out since then that Thrinaxodon has a few screws
loose. People may have found out earlier if I hadn't overlooked this
thread for so long, but if Thrinaxodon had insisted that I had e-
mailed him many times, I think a lot of people (including you?) would
have believed him even if he had refused to post any of the other
alleged e-mails.

Harshman is trying to get to the bottom of things in a thread he set
up yesterday, but it's slow going because people are so used to
nutjobs around here.

Peter Nyikos

[Roger Shrubber]

pnyikos wrote:
> I overlooked this whole thread until Thrinaxodon's recent meltdown,
> and only found it (almost two months after it began and ended!)
> because I clicked on his profile to see whether the nutjob Thrinaxodon
> is the same as the original.
>
> The following bizarre, paranoid comment strongly supports the thesis
> that the two are the same.

And that he is suffering from organic mental illness.
Why feed the disease? It cannot help.

[chris thompson]

On Mar 28, 8:09�pm, Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:

It's like someone is throwing darts at you all day, except the points
have been removed. Most of them miss, and the ones that hit just
bounce off. But after a while you get so sick of it, you have to
respond.

Chris

[jillery]

I am reminded of the annoying little brother who learned the trick of
holding his fingers a hairsbreadth from his sister's face.

Sister: Stop it!
Brother: I'm not touching you.
Mother: Both of you shutup.
Sister: <punches brother>
Brother: Mom, she hit me!
Sister: I'm not touching him.
Mother: Both of you, stop not touching each other!

[Stephanus]

I actually waded through two threads by okimoto on this issue , and it
would seem that those who accuse you of trolling cannot answer your
logic. In any case ray and I had yet another endless thread on
explaining why natural selection as some sort of universal mechanism
is no more plausible than a single differential equation explaining
all of physics. Your colleges in biophysics department must be at heir
wits end having to insert this rubbish terrified of the political
power wielded by the evo fools

[Bob Casanova]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 04:28:29 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by pnyikos
<nyi...@bellsouth.net>:

> I've got a busy weekend coming up, and so this post probably wraps it
>up for today, and I may not post to t.o. again until next week.

No problem; I'll remind you again of the questions you've
been avoiding by putting me in a one-month "time out" when
that month is over.

>On Mar 29, 1:44�pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:

>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:16:24 -0700 (PDT), the following
>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by Thrinaxodon
>> <biolo...@gmail.com>:

>> >He often emails me, attacking me, asking "questions", because I accuse him of being a troll. That's why I posted this.

>False, and I've set Thrinaxodon straight on this. See my two replies
>to him a few minutes ago.

>> That's between you and him, and has nothing to do with this
>> newsgroup. And most ISP mail services and (I believe) mail
>> clients have means to mark specific sources as spam and
>> blacklist them.

>Well, you've found out since then that Thrinaxodon has a few screws
>loose. People may have found out earlier if I hadn't overlooked this
>thread for so long, but if Thrinaxodon had insisted that I had e-
>mailed him many times, I think a lot of people (including you?) would
>have believed him even if he had refused to post any of the other
>alleged e-mails.

You're certainly entitled to your beliefs regardless of
their validity. Personally, I couldn't care less, as I
though I made clear in my post above.

> Harshman is trying to get to the bottom of things in a thread he set
>up yesterday, but it's slow going because people are so used to
>nutjobs around here.

Yes, we are.
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

[Paul J Gans]

The poster is not Nyikos. Don't waste your energy on a bad troll.

[*Hemidactylus*]

On 05/23/2013 07:28 AM, pnyikos wrote:
> I've got a busy weekend coming up, and so this post probably wraps it
> up for today, and I may not post to t.o. again until next week.

Which theme song to go with...tough call:

Anticipation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoLoyg3JKRQ

Jeopardy think music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXGhvoekY44

I'll let the readers decide.


--
*Hemidactylus*

[Burkhard]

I'm more torn between
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNt1Qj4MA6M
(or alternatively http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0cxrA3dTv4 )

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jn8K8EA7-Q

[pnyikos]

Here is Thrinaxodon, in one of his early posts to t.o., displaying the
same "comma fetish" that he displayed on the thread that Harshman set
up to discuss Thrinaxodon's strange behavior.

On Mar 28, 5:58 pm, Thrinaxodon <biolo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The only thing, I've seen from Peter Nyikos, is his complaining, about how "corrupt" this newsgroup is. In my view, it's not corrupt. But, Peter, comes here, only to complain, whine, accuse us of being hypocrites. His posts should be flagged for abuse.
>
> Thrinaxodon

Did people tell you I was fair game for disingenuous crap like the
above, Thrinaxodon? Was Paul Gans, J. J. O'Shea, jillery, or Ron O
one of them?

Peter Nyikos

[pnyikos]

Have you done a poll, Charles?

> Might you be considering a biased sample?

He's considering a grotesquely biased sample of the threads on which I
post. Might you be doing the same thing, Charles?

Peter Nyikos

[pnyikos]

On May 23, 4:15 pm, Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
> Roger Shrubber <rog.shrub...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >pnyikoswrote:

> >> I overlooked this whole thread until Thrinaxodon's recent meltdown,
> >> and only found it (almost two months after it began and ended!)
> >> because I clicked on his profile to see whether the nutjob Thrinaxodon
> >> is the same as the original.
>
> >> The following bizarre, paranoid comment strongly supports the thesis
> >> that the two are the same.
> >And that he is suffering from organic mental illness.
> >Why feed the disease? It cannot help.
>
> The poster is not Nyikos.  Don't waste your energy on a bad troll.

Who are you talking about? The poster of whom Shrubber was talking
was Thrinaxodon, not me. The other poster was definitely me.

If you are talking about Thrinaxodon, that's quite a change from your
behavior of two months ago. Did he con you back then about being
sincere? Or did you know he was a bad troll, but didn't let on
because he was a "useful idiot" in your perennial campaign to
discredit me?

Peter Nyikos

[Thrinaxodon]

N A STORY TOLD, ON THRINAXODON'S WEBSITE, THOMAS PAINE JUST GOT
SLAYED BY THRINAXODON
HERE IT IS!!!!!
===========================================================================
====================
http://thrinaxodon.wordpress.com/2013/05/26/thomas-aquinas-vs-thomas-...
=========================================================================
________________________________________________________
Thrinaxodon scaring this guy, to DEATH!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zlzin6PIo8











________________________________________________________
==================================================
Thrinaxodon, in the form of prion, infecting this person's temporal
lobe, and causing DEATH SLOWLY!!!!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/CJD_spongios...
___________________________________________________________________________
___________
YE EVILUTIONISTS, THEY INFECT THE SOUL< AND GIVE YOU NIGHTMARES. THEY
GIVE YOU...
EVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLUTIONIST"S DESEASE!
___________________________________________________________________________
_____________
Thrinaxodon is now on twitter.

[Charles Brenner]

Sorry Peter, I can't guess what you are trying to say. You wrote about
a sample of threads; I had in mind samples of people. If it helps, I
judge based on the very large number of people who are not
represented. Whether that helps or not, let's drop this trivial
discussion of statistics, a field that is neither of ours and that I
always want to exit soon after entering.

[jillery]

For those proud of their willful ignorance, please note that the
vacation just ended.

[Paul J Gans]

jillery <69jp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 27 May 2013 10:11:57 -0700 (PDT), pnyikos
><nyi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>>Here is Thrinaxodon, in one of his early posts to t.o., displaying the
>>same "comma fetish" that he displayed on the thread that Harshman set
>>up to discuss Thrinaxodon's strange behavior.
>>

>>On Mar 28, 5:58?pm, Thrinaxodon <biolo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The only thing, I've seen from Peter Nyikos, is his complaining, about how "corrupt" this newsgroup is. In my view, it's not corrupt. But, Peter, comes here, only to complain, whine, accuse us of being hypocrites. His posts should be flagged for abuse.
>>>
>>> Thrinaxodon
>>
>>Did people tell you I was fair game for disingenuous crap like the
>>above, Thrinaxodon? Was Paul Gans, J. J. O'Shea, jillery, or Ron O
>>one of them?



>For those proud of their willful ignorance, please note that the
>vacation just ended.

You think? He almost never posts from home and I daresay he is
not in his office today.

My dear friend D. Spencer Hines used to post occasionally long
after he vanished from the internet. Stylistic differences
indicated that he was at best ectoplasmic. I suspect the
same here.

[jillery]

It's impossible for me to prove that two posts are from the same
person, or for that matter, from different people. If any of these
posts are not from him, I would expect him to howl about it sooner or
later.

[*Hemidactylus*]

At least he's not saying you destroyed New York or Norway like the
Amazing Colossal President who got exposed to radiation at Two Mile Island.

[nyi...@bellsouth.net]

Let's see whether this thread is any more post-friendly than the one on Prothero.

On this long-dormant thread, jillery and Paul were pretending to be skeptical
about whether certain posts were by me.

On Monday, May 27, 2013 4:10:48 PM UTC-4, Paul J Gans wrote:

> jillery <69jp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >For those proud of their willful ignorance, please note that the
> >vacation just ended.

And now another kind of vacation has ended.

> You think? He almost never posts from home and I daresay he is
> not in his office today.

Gans is off in la-la land. I do a huge number of posts from home, though not
quite as many as from my office.

> My dear friend D. Spencer Hines

Gans means "my formidable adversary D. Spencer Hines." Hines has been
monitoring him lately on threads where I never participated, letting me
know how flaky Gans is on them from time to time.

> used to post occasionally long
> after he vanished from the internet.

This self-contradictory sentence is sort of accounted for by the following
fantasy:

> Stylistic differences
> indicated that he was at best ectoplasmic. I suspect the
> same here.

Kooky to the end.

Peter Nyikos

[Paul J Gans]

nyi...@bellsouth.net wrote:
>Let's see whether this thread is any more post-friendly than the one on Prothero.

>On this long-dormant thread, jillery and Paul were pretending to be skeptical
>about whether certain posts were by me.

>On Monday, May 27, 2013 4:10:48 PM UTC-4, Paul J Gans wrote:
>> jillery <69jp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >For those proud of their willful ignorance, please note that the
>> >vacation just ended.

>And now another kind of vacation has ended.


>> You think? He almost never posts from home and I daresay he is
>> not in his office today.

>Gans is off in la-la land. I do a huge number of posts from home, though not
>quite as many as from my office.

>
>> My dear friend D. Spencer Hines

>Gans means "my formidable adversary D. Spencer Hines." Hines has been
>monitoring him lately on threads where I never participated, letting me
>know how flaky Gans is on them from time to time.

You've posted that before. Have you passed on my best
regards and my hope that his treatment went well?

[Mitchell Coffey]

Don't you realize that Paul was saying thought someone had forged
Spencer's posts? Or are you saying you know for a fact that someone
didn't falsely post under Spenser's name? You really should learn English.

Mitchell Coffey

[Glenn]

"Mitchell Coffey" <mitchel...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:l08ont$fno$2...@dont-email.me...

Are you drunk?

[James Beck]

What did he undergo treatment for?

[Robert Carnegie]

Nyikosis?

[jillery]

Nyikrosis.

[James Beck]

On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 02:05:53 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
<rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:

Seems like that would be self-treatable.

[Paul J Gans]

You'd have to have been here or in soc.history.medieval where the
cabal of two tried very hard to put me and others down.

[Ray Martinez]

On Thursday, March 28, 2013 2:58:05 PM UTC-7, Thrinaxodon wrote:
> The only thing, I've seen from Peter Nyikos, is his complaining, about how "corrupt" this newsgroup is. In my view, it's not corrupt. But, Peter, comes here, only to complain, whine, accuse us of being hypocrites. His posts should be flagged for abuse.
>

It's quite disappointing to see a credentialed person like Peter stoop to certain levels instead of engaging on-topic issues in a straightforward manner. Peter rarely defends his ideas and the ToE. One could rightly conclude that the ToE and his ideas are made of straw.

Ray

[John Harshman]

He rarely defends pastrami either. Therefore pastrami is made of straw.

[Burkhard]

Well, that WOULD explain the airport sandwich I just had... Yurggggh

[nyi...@bellsouth.net]

CC: D. Spencer Hines

On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 8:13:30 PM UTC-4, Paul J Gans wrote:

> nyi...@bellsouth.net wrote:

> >On Monday, May 27, 2013 4:10:48 PM UTC-4, Paul J Gans wrote:
> >> jillery <69jp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> >For those proud of their willful ignorance, please note that the
> >> >vacation just ended.

> >> You think? He almost never posts from home and I daresay he is
> >> not in his office today.

> > Gans is off in la-la land. I do a huge number of posts from home, though
> > not quite as many as from my office.

> >> My dear friend D. Spencer Hines

> >Gans means "my formidable adversary D. Spencer Hines." Hines has been
> >monitoring him lately on threads where I never participated, letting me
> >know how flaky Gans is on them from time to time.

> You've posted that before.

No, I have not. I have only told you that he has been monitoring our
exchanges, yours and mine.

Are you so flaky that you think I've been exchanging posts with you
on threads where I've never participated? :-)

BTW, one of those was where you said the national debt does not bother you. He
sent me a copy of the post where you said this.

I took this to mean that you believe that some time before it gets so huge that
all the taxes of your grandchildren or great-grandchildren would go towards
paying off the interest on the debt, a world government will be formed that
will simply take over all the places where any country owes money and cancel the whole collective global debt.

With your political ideology, you wouldn't want anything less for your
descendants, would you?

> Have you passed on my best
> regards and my hope that his treatment went well?

Of course not. Your "best regards" and your "hope" really mean that you
wish he were so mentally deranged that he needs (and has always needed)
professional treatment, doesn't it?

That way, you can stoke your colossal ego with the delusion that you got
the best of him in just about every debate the two of you had.

Peter Nyikos

[James Beck]

On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 20:28:32 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans

Well, of course I was reading SHM then, so I'm no stranger to those
events. Also, since I warned you privately that DSH's obsessive
behavior toward you presented a danger, evidently my memory is a lot
better than yours, too. When my warning failed to alter your behavior,
I assumed that you like the attention.

When I stopped reading SHM, there was speculation that Spencer had
been hospitalized. I assume from your non-answer that you still don't
know and that you're poking Nyikos to see whether he does.

[Paul J Gans]

Oh, I know. Peter claims to be in contact with Mr. Hines. He'd
not lie, would he?

And I gather that you were reading SHM mainly for the fun of seeing
DSH perform since you left right after he vanished.

By the time you came to SHM, I'd been dealing with DSH for years.
He was (is?) the blowhard bully type giving to lying and invention.

My favorite example lay in his claim that many of my students in
a physical chemistry class had contacted him to tell him how bad
I was in the classroom. That, of course, wasn't possible since
as you may recall how carefully he hid his e-mail address.

Of course the kicker was that that class nominated me for a major
teaching award that year. I never called DSH on it, preferring
to allow him to wallow in his own idea of glory.

I still think that my judgement of his character was correct.
In the actual event, I never seemed to suffer much from him.

[Mitchell Coffey]

Didn't you at least informally check on the necessities behind a finding
of libel?

By the way, unless I misunderstood which statement Peter was referring
too, I believe it was my observation that Peter needed enemies that
Peter claimed was "actionable" libel. (He appeared to think someone else
wrote it.) For added context, he threatened to contact one's employer in
case of a libel action, ostensibly as part of a counter suit in event
someone sued him for libel. Note that no one in T.O. had threatened to
sue him for libel.

Recall that Peter believes that no threat is a threat, neither a lie is
a lie, if (a) it's said by Peter, and (b) he says it in the conditional.

Mitchell Coffey

[James Beck]

On Sat, 7 Sep 2013 17:08:00 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans

Peter also believes that he can apply an objective probability to
panspermia and that mathematicians are intelligent as opposed to just
specialized. He may be prone to hallucinations.

>And I gather that you were reading SHM mainly for the fun of seeing
>DSH perform since you left right after he vanished.

Not really. I killfiled him in 2001. Unfortunately, he changed his
email address so often that Agent kept letting him out. At those times
he was usually courteous. He wasn't obsessed with me, though.

I drifted away from SHM for a variety of reasons. In part, that was
because I think human history is mainly ecological and I wasn't going
to learn as much there as I had hoped. Also, I enjoyed a very long
correspondence with David. I read Mediev-L now when I can keep up with
it.

>I still think that my judgement of his character was correct.
>In the actual event, I never seemed to suffer much from him.

Most obsessives turn out to be harmless. That doesn't mean that they
don't pose a risk.

[Paul J Gans]

Mitchell Coffey <mitchel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 9/7/2013 1:08 PM, Paul J Gans wrote:

[snip]

>>> When I stopped reading SHM, there was speculation that Spencer had
>>> been hospitalized. I assume from your non-answer that you still don't
>>> know and that you're poking Nyikos to see whether he does.
>>
>> Oh, I know. Peter claims to be in contact with Mr. Hines. He'd
>> not lie, would he?
>>
>> And I gather that you were reading SHM mainly for the fun of seeing
>> DSH perform since you left right after he vanished.
>>
>> By the time you came to SHM, I'd been dealing with DSH for years.
>> He was (is?) the blowhard bully type giving to lying and invention.
>>
>> My favorite example lay in his claim that many of my students in
>> a physical chemistry class had contacted him to tell him how bad
>> I was in the classroom. That, of course, wasn't possible since
>> as you may recall how carefully he hid his e-mail address.
>>
>> Of course the kicker was that that class nominated me for a major
>> teaching award that year. I never called DSH on it, preferring
>> to allow him to wallow in his own idea of glory.
>>
>> I still think that my judgement of his character was correct.
>> In the actual event, I never seemed to suffer much from him.

>Didn't you at least informally check on the necessities behind a finding
>of libel?

Yes. It was discussed on SHM at the time. Several lawyers
pointed out that somebody had to believe what DSH was saying
in order for me to be injured by it.

We could find no such person. I never thought to ask Peter.

>By the way, unless I misunderstood which statement Peter was referring
>too, I believe it was my observation that Peter needed enemies that
>Peter claimed was "actionable" libel. (He appeared to think someone else
>wrote it.) For added context, he threatened to contact one's employer in
>case of a libel action, ostensibly as part of a counter suit in event
>someone sued him for libel. Note that no one in T.O. had threatened to
>sue him for libel.

>Recall that Peter believes that no threat is a threat, neither a lie is
>a lie, if (a) it's said by Peter, and (b) he says it in the conditional.

[Paul J Gans]

I ran mediev-l for many years, but I'm not the one who
banned DSH from it. That was my predecessor who to this
day remembers the incident vividly.

>>I still think that my judgement of his character was correct.
>>In the actual event, I never seemed to suffer much from him.

>Most obsessives turn out to be harmless. That doesn't mean that they
>don't pose a risk.

I agree. But as a practical matter I was about as far
geographically from DSH as I could be and still live in
the US. I doubted he'd undertake the trip on the odd
chance that he could find me.

By the way, I never "hated" him. I though him ill and
often seriously urged him to seek help.

[nyi...@bellsouth.net]

CC: D. Spencer Hines

On Thursday, September 5, 2013 5:05:53 AM UTC-4, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Thursday, 5 September 2013 05:17:47 UTC+1, James Beck wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 5 Sep 2013 00:13:30 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans
>
> > <gan...@panix.com> wrote:

...a sickeningly insincere comment about D. Spencer Hines, and quite likely a
case of projection:

> > >Have you passed on my best
> > >regards and my hope that his treatment went well?

> > What did he undergo treatment for?

> Nyikosis?

Nonsense. Hines is his own man, through and through.

I did contract a mild case of Hinesosis but it didn't take long for it to
go away by itself.

Peter Nyikos

[nyi...@bellsouth.net]

On Thursday, September 5, 2013 6:46:40 PM UTC-4, Ray Martinez wrote:

> It's quite disappointing to see a credentialed person like Peter stoop to
> certain levels instead of engaging on-topic issues in a straightforward manner.
> Peter rarely defends his ideas and the ToE. One could rightly conclude that the
>ToE and his ideas are made of straw.

It is quite disappointing to see someone who alleges that he is a creationist
lying through his teeth in a way sure to turn anyone off to creationism.

Creationism needs to be defeated, but to be defeated fair and square, not
through disgust over the way someone who implicitly acknowledged that *Equus*
is descended from *Hyracotherium* goes on lying that he believes in the
immutability of species.

...and goes on lying that I don't answer his arguments, when I've spent untold
hours taking them apart with tweezers.

He is either an abject coward or a troll, repeatedly running away from unanswerable arguments by Dana Tweedy as well. Dana has spent even more time
taking Ray's arguments apart than I have.

About the only thing I can say for Ray is that he isn't crazed by hate, the
way Ron O is. That is just about the only real difference between his
character and Ron O's.

Peter Nyikos