Anecdotal Evidence of the Homosexual Role In Straight Sex
Bret Cahill
bar and smooch. Eventually the bar owner asked them to leave, maybe
properly so.
Has anyone ever compiled a list that would include anecdotal evidence
similar to the above?
Bret Cahill
Shearwater
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A lovely just-so story, Brett. Perhaps you could tell us of what exactly
it provides evidence?
There exists an enormous collection of such anecdotes in western literature
by such renowned authors as (among others) the Grimm Brothers and Hans
Christian Anderson. Their stories are vastly superior to yours.
Kindest Regards
Bret Cahill
> > bar and smooch. �Eventually the bar owner asked them to leave, maybe
> > properly so.
>
> > Has anyone ever compiled a list that would include anecdotal evidence
> > similar to the above?
>
> > Bret Cahill
>
> _____________________________________________________
>
> A lovely just-so story, Brett. �Perhaps you could tell us of what exactly
> it provides evidence?
How would anyone know without more evidence?
> There exists an enormous collection of such anecdotes in western literature
> by such renowned authors as (among others) the Grimm Brothers and Hans
> Christian Anderson. �Their stories are vastly superior to yours.
It's true I'm not much of a story teller but that dodges the issue:
Before we can start working on a _scientific_ study we need to at
least obtain some anecdotal evidence.
Maybe put John Updike on it . . .
Bret Cahill
(M)-adman
Sure, back in the 80's me and a fraternity friend double dated and went bar hopping through the
French Quarter. Once we were done with the popular sites, we went to the outskirts. On Rampart
street a couple blocks off of Canal street we found a bar that looked interesting, so we parked
and went in. Well, it was a Gay bar. While they tolerated us for the first drink, it was obvious
that we were not welcome by the owner, the bar keep and the patrons when we ordered the second
drink.
I had no problem associating with, having a good time with them or being around so many gay
people. It was them that made it clear that we were not welcome. So we paid for the second
drinks and politely left.
Needles to say that left a lasting impression on all of us many years latter. Especially when
Gays claim they want to be like everyone else.
Because it is the same today as it was back then. Gays want respect but are not willing to give
respect to others in return.
If gays say this is a free country and they should be treated as everyone else, then why we not
welcome in a public bar? They were treating us as bad as they claim heterosexuals treat them.
There is some anecdotal evidence for your study
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Bret Cahill
> >> bar and smooch. �Eventually the bar owner asked them to leave, maybe
> >> properly so.
>
> >> Has anyone ever compiled a list that would include anecdotal evidence
> >> similar to the above?
>
> >> Bret Cahill
>
> Sure, back in the 80's me and a fraternity friend double dated and went bar hopping through the
> French Quarter. Once we were done with the popular sites, we went to the outskirts. On Rampart
> street a couple blocks off of Canal street we found a bar that looked interesting, so we parked
> and went in. Well, it was a Gay bar. While they tolerated us for the first drink, it was obvious
> that we were not welcome by the owner, the bar keep and the patrons when we ordered the second
> drink.
A lot of bars don't want frat rats.
> I had no problem associating with, having a good time with them or being around so many gay
> people. It was them that made it clear that we were not welcome. So we paid for the second
> drinks and politely left.
>
> Needles to say that left a lasting impression on all of us many years latter. Especially when
> Gays claim they want to be like everyone else.
> Because it is the same today as it was back then. Gays want respect but are not willing to give
> respect to others in return.
Next time a lesbian turns you down call her a "heterophobe" and
everything will be even steven.
Bret Cahill
A.Carlson
wrote:
>Bret Cahill wrote:
>>> A decade or so ago a straight couple found it romantic to go to a gay
>>> bar and smooch. Eventually the bar owner asked them to leave, maybe
>>> properly so.
>>>
>>> Has anyone ever compiled a list that would include anecdotal evidence
>>> similar to the above?
>>>
>>>
>>> Bret Cahill
>
>Sure, back in the 80's me and a fraternity friend double dated and went bar hopping through the
>French Quarter.
You went to college? Can you get your money back?
>Once we were done with the popular sites, we went to the outskirts. On Rampart
>street a couple blocks off of Canal street we found a bar that looked interesting, so we parked
>and went in. Well, it was a Gay bar. While they tolerated us for the first drink, it was obvious
>that we were not welcome by the owner, the bar keep and the patrons when we ordered the second
>drink.
So let's see here. You had already visited a number of different bars
before coming across this one and if your behavior at this one is any
indication then you also had a couple of drinks at each of the other
bars (that *didn't* throw you out). And you were still driving at
that! It appears as though you were just as much a reckless ass hole
back then as you are now.
We already know that you are an obnoxious blowhard. I can only
imagine what you would be like as a drunk obnoxious blowhard.
>I had no problem associating with, having a good time with them or being around so many gay
>people. It was them that made it clear that we were not welcome. So we paid for the second
>drinks and politely left.
So, how many drinks would these two additional ones would these two
make it before you yet again got into your car and drove? Perhaps
this had something to do with your chilly reception.
>Needles to say that left a lasting impression on all of us many years latter. Especially when
>Gays claim they want to be like everyone else.
I too am straight and have also visited a number of gay bars with a
female companion and have never been turned away or even shunned in
any way whatsoever. Perhaps in your case it is just because you are
you.
>Because it is the same today as it was back then. Gays want respect but are not willing to give
>respect to others in return.
Yes you do like your hasty conclusions, don't you.
>If gays say this is a free country and they should be treated as everyone else, then why we not
>welcome in a public bar? They were treating us as bad as they claim heterosexuals treat them.
A drunk ass hole is a drunk ass hole in any type of bar.
Grandbank
So let me get this straight: you were college age drinkers, you went
to "the popular sites" - ergo you were stupid drunk - and in
retrospect you still think you were "having a good time with them" and
the reason everyone was looking at you funny was your straightness?
Age doesn't *necessarily* bring wisdom, does it.
"I do not approve of anything that tampers with natural ignorance.
Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is
gone."
- Oscar Wilde
KP
KP
(M)-adman
>>>> A decade or so ago a straight couple found it romantic to go to a
>>>> maybe properly so.
>>
>>>> Has anyone ever compiled a list that would include anecdotal
>>>> evidence similar to the above?
>>
>>>> Bret Cahill
>>
>> Sure, back in the 80's me and a fraternity friend double dated and
>> went bar hopping through the French Quarter. Once we were done with
>> the popular sites, we went to the outskirts. On Rampart street a
>> couple blocks off of Canal street we found a bar that looked
>> interesting, so we parked and went in. Well, it was a Gay bar. While
>> they tolerated us for the first drink, it was obvious that we were
>> not welcome by the owner, the bar keep and the patrons when we
>> ordered the second drink.
>
> A lot of bars don't want frat rats.
You do not understand. We had been out of college for 10 years.
>
>> I had no problem associating with, having a good time with them or
>> being around so many gay people. It was them that made it clear that
>> we were not welcome. So we paid for the second drinks and politely
>> left.
>>
>> Needles to say that left a lasting impression on all of us many
>> years latter. Especially when Gays claim they want to be like
>> everyone else.
>
>> Because it is the same today as it was back then. Gays want respect
>> but are not willing to give respect to others in return.
>
> Next time a lesbian turns you down call her a "heterophobe" and
> everything will be even steven.
It was a male gay bar.
Strike three.
The bottom line is, there behavior was poor
>
>
> Bret Cahill
(M)-adman
Well, everyone else was tipsy. I would not call them drunk though.
I was the designated driver. So all I had to drink was cherry cokes
It seems that you just want to make shit up just to be as nasty as they were.
(M)-adman
Nooooo... i said it was a fraternity friend. I did not say that we were still in school. Far
from it.
And we did not realize is was a gay bar until after we ordered the second round of drinks.
I was the driver and had nothing to drink. They were behaving like fools, not us.
I clearly said we "politely" left as well.
So i wonder today, are ALL gays that nasty when they congergate? Are they nice to your hetro
face yet hate you behind your backs?
John McKendry
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>>
>>
>>
>> So let me get this straight: you were college age drinkers, you went
>> to "the popular sites" - ergo you were stupid drunk - and in retrospect
>> you still think you were "having a good time with them" and the reason
>> everyone was looking at you funny was your straightness?
>>
>> Age doesn't *necessarily* bring wisdom, does it.
>
> Nooooo... i said it was a fraternity friend. I did not say that we were
> still in school. Far from it.
>
> And we did not realize is was a gay bar until after we ordered the
> second round of drinks.
>
> I was the driver and had nothing to drink. They were behaving like
> fools, not us.
>
> I clearly said we "politely" left as well.
>
> So i wonder today, are ALL gays that nasty when they congergate? Are
> they nice to your hetro face yet hate you behind your backs?
>
They were being tribal. Bars are like that. Not all bars, but most
bars are like that. They cater to their regulars, they have customs
and rituals, and people go there to participate in that community,
not to be observed by spectators, however harmless and well-intentioned.
I was raised from the cradle a Yankees fan, and I have lived in the
Boston area for roughly four decades, but I have never felt welcome
in a Boston sports bar. I am not a member of that community. I once
went into a neighborhood bar in South Boston. Won't do that again,
either. It's not personal, is what I'm saying, it's that a bar is
a society, and it takes a while to be admitted even when you meet
all the qualifications.
Think about the other bars you went to. Would you have felt so welcome
if you and your friends had been a pair of gay couples? Were there
any gay couples in those bars?
John
Immortalist
Are you trying to say that all times when any people enter a gay bar
are times when there is necessarily some gay part of their sexual
identity? What if they go in just to get out of the rain or they are
taking classes on sexual history etc...? This leads me to believe that
some times but not all times are times when the motive to go somewhere
can necessarily determine sexual orientation.
Uriel
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So let me get this straight: you were college age drinkers, you
>>> went to "the popular sites" - ergo you were stupid drunk - and in
>>> retrospect you still think you were "having a good time with them"
>>> and the reason everyone was looking at you funny was your
>>> straightness?
>>>
>>> Age doesn't *necessarily* bring wisdom, does it.
>>
>> Nooooo... i said it was a fraternity friend. I did not say that we
>> were still in school. Far from it.
>>
>> And we did not realize is was a gay bar until after we ordered the
>> second round of drinks.
>>
>> I was the driver and had nothing to drink. They were behaving like
>> fools, not us.
>>
>> I clearly said we "politely" left as well.
>>
>> So i wonder today, are ALL gays that nasty when they congergate? Are
>> they nice to your hetro face yet hate you behind your backs?
>>
> They were being tribal. Bars are like that. Not all bars, but most
> bars are like that. They cater to their regulars, they have customs
> and rituals, and people go there to participate in that community,
> not to be observed by spectators, however harmless and
> well-intentioned.
>
We were not making "observations" , we were there to have fun like everyone
else.Had we been recieved by them, we were more then ready to recieve them
back. In fact we discussed that after the fact. We could not believe that
simply walking into a "public" bar that we did not know was a homosexual
bar, would bring so much hostility .
There is no excuse for behavior like that regardless if you want to call it
tribal or not=---- unless you want to hold one group to a higher standard
then another group.
The fact is, we went into a public bar and was discriminated against. BTW.
with the same type of discrimination Gays Say they hate. Which BTW is the
same type of discrimination ALL minorties say they hate.
Standards that apply to one should be applied to all.
> I was raised from the cradle a Yankees fan, and I have lived in the
> Boston area for roughly four decades, but I have never felt welcome
> in a Boston sports bar. I am not a member of that community. I once
> went into a neighborhood bar in South Boston. Won't do that again,
> either. It's not personal, is what I'm saying, it's that a bar is
> a society, and it takes a while to be admitted even when you meet
> all the qualifications.
You are making excuses for poor behavior.
>
> Think about the other bars you went to. Would you have felt so welcome
> if you and your friends had been a pair of gay couples? Were there
> any gay couples in those bars?
If they do not have sex on top of the pool table, WHO cares?
>
> John
Will in New Haven
There are lots of exceptions though. There was a time when Partners,'
a gay bar in the Yale neighborhood, had very good food. The woman I as
living with at the time and I never felt unwelcome going there for
dinner. Lots of other straight people ate there. It might be that the
atmosphere might have changed after the dinner hour for unknown
straight people who just dropped by but those of us who had dinner
there often stayed to drink afterward and never were made to feel
unwelcome. There was another gay bar a few blocks away where I played
pool once in awhile and again never had a problem. But I have worn my
Yankee hat to Fenway Park many times and no one has bothered me. I
guess I'm just likeable.
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(M)-adman
If your money is good enough to be treated "nice" dropping by during the dinner time, then why
is your money not good enough to be treated nice if you drop by " after the dinner hour"?
Let a straight restaurant/bar even remotely make a "gay" feel unwelcome at anytime and the shit
hits the fan.
There are too many double standards in America today.
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wf3h
was it the gays who voted to ban straight marriage in CA recently?
John McKendry
You were flaunting your sexual orientation, acting straight, in
a place where your orientation made you a minority, and people
made you feel unwelcome. Now you know what it feels like. It sucks,
doesn't it?
Some people, when they have had similar experiences, would think
"Oh, this is what it feels like to be gay in a majority-straight
society". Why does that thought not occur to you? Why are you so
obsessed with the wrong done to you, and so unwilling to see the
same wrong when it's done to others?
>> I was raised from the cradle a Yankees fan, and I have lived in the
>> Boston area for roughly four decades, but I have never felt welcome in
>> a Boston sports bar. I am not a member of that community. I once went
>> into a neighborhood bar in South Boston. Won't do that again, either.
>> It's not personal, is what I'm saying, it's that a bar is a society,
>> and it takes a while to be admitted even when you meet all the
>> qualifications.
>
> You are making excuses for poor behavior.
No, I don't think that Red Sox fans and working-class Boston Irish
Catholics have an obligation to include me as a drinking buddy. I
can and do wish for world where everyone is treated with respect,
regardless of race, creed, sex, sexual orientation, age, job,
political party, nationality, or baseball affiliation, but that
world is a long way off, and it's not going to arrive any faster
if I wait for everyone else to get rid of their prejudices first.
>>
>> Think about the other bars you went to. Would you have felt so welcome
>> if you and your friends had been a pair of gay couples? Were there any
>> gay couples in those bars?
>
> If they do not have sex on top of the pool table, WHO cares?
>
You didn't answer my questions. There were two of them.
John
William Morse
You seriously think that adman's experience was unrelated to his sexual
orientation? You don't think that straights in a gay bar would not be
viewed with some degree of suspicion as being different, and some degree
of paranoia and unwelcomeness which they might pick up on? Human nature
is human nature. Try walking into a "redneck" bar with long hair and
start talking loudly about your support for gun control and see what
happens. Actually I did this a long time ago and I wasn't beat up, but I
wasn't welcomed with opened arms either :-)
Humans tend to associate in groups, and tend to distrust people who are
not a member of that group. Custom (and Christianity) teaches us to be
hospitable to an individual member of the outgroup (cf. the good
Samaritan). The harder part is being hospitable to the outgroup as a
whole.
But this still doesn't help me understand Bret's original point.
Yours,
Bill Morse
Bret Cahill
> > bar and smooch. �Eventually the bar owner asked them to leave, maybe
> > properly so.
>
> > Has anyone ever compiled a list that would include anecdotal evidence
> > similar to the above?
>
> > Bret Cahill
>
> Are you trying to say that all times when any people enter a gay bar
> are times when there is necessarily some gay part of their sexual
> identity?
I'm not even sure if the couple's action wasn't a fundy effort to
convert the gays.
That's why we need more evidence.
Bret Cahill
Bret Cahill
The greatest danger to democracy is the tyranny of the majority. Gays
aren't the majority.
Bret Cahill
Bret Cahill
> >> >> gay bar and smooch. �Eventually the bar owner asked them to leave,
> >> >> maybe properly so.
> >> >> Has anyone ever compiled a list that would include anecdotal
> >> >> evidence similar to the above?
. . .
> But this still doesn't help me understand �Bret's original point.
Was this just an isolated case or do a lot of straight couples benefit
from some aphrodisiacal effect from gays and/or lesbians?
If so it might make the homophobes feel like the ultimate ingrates.
Obviously scientific research won't get fundies to think but if it
could be established it might be a way to reduce homophobia in the
rest of the population.
Fundies are only 10 - 20% of the population, yet 52% of Californians
voted for Prop 8.
It's curious that such an imPOOORtant issue gush hyped by the corp.
media 24/7 has never been properly researched.
Bret Cahill
*Hemidactylus*
irked them.
*Hemidactylus*
if they were gay, bi or hetero without some sort of obvious cues. Just
because guys walk in with girls means nothing. The girls could have been
perceived as lesbian or the couples as bi swingers.
Misbehavior OTOH tends to get people thrown out of bars.
*Hemidactylus*
St. Patrick's Day they would be treated lots more rudely than Madman and
his friends in the gay bar.
*Hemidactylus*
that if I was to step foot in her house I needed to remove my Dolphins hat.
I still don't see how the folks in the hypothetical gay bar cared to
distinguish the people entering as heteros or gay/lesbian friends or as
bi swingers without them making it obvious somehow via behavioral cues.
Gays could be sensitive to strangers, not knowing if others they are not
familiar with are looking to start trouble. Maybe there was a nasty
incident the night before and the regulars were on edge.
Bret Cahill
> irked them.
That's not just plausible but likely, in either a straight or gay bar.
Bret Cahill
*Hemidactylus*
behaved are welcome regardless of orientation. The clientele, gay or
straight, could OTOH be xenophobic assholes. They could be open and
friendly. Who knows. Gays are no less capable of being jerks or nice
folks than any other group of people.
Given Madman's posting behavior here I could see him pissing off some
gay people somehow and getting the boot out the door. I could see him
pissing off any other group and getting the same abrupt ouster.
chris thompson
> Bret Cahill wrote:
> >> A decade or so ago a straight couple found it romantic to go to a gay
> >> bar and smooch. Eventually the bar owner asked them to leave, maybe
> >> properly so.
>
> >> Has anyone ever compiled a list that would include anecdotal evidence
> >> similar to the above?
>
> >> Bret Cahill
>
> Sure, back in the 80's me and a fraternity friend double dated and went bar hopping through the
> French Quarter. Once we were done with the popular sites, we went to the outskirts. On Rampart
> street a couple blocks off of Canal street we found a bar that looked interesting, so we parked
> and went in. Well, it was a Gay bar. While they tolerated us for the first drink, it was obvious
> that we were not welcome by the owner, the bar keep and the patrons when we ordered the second
> drink.
>
Yeah, well, lots of gay men can spot a perfect asshole a mile away.
Chris
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Then they should ba able to spot you closer
>
> [snip]
(M)-adman
>> Bret Cahill wrote:
>>>> How did they know you were straight? Maybe it was your demeanor
>>>> that irked them.
>>>
>>> That's not just plausible but likely, in either a straight or gay
>>> bar.
>>>
>> I'd say from the bar owner's standpoint that paying patrons who are
>> well behaved are welcome regardless of orientation. The clientele,
>> gay or straight, could OTOH be xenophobic assholes. They could be
>> open and friendly. Who knows. Gays are no less capable of being
>> jerks or nice folks than any other group of people.
Exactly. And that night they were the jerks
>>
>> Given Madman's posting behavior here I could see him pissing off some
>> gay people somehow and getting the boot out the door. I could see him
>> pissing off any other group and getting the same abrupt ouster.
Had i been posting that night you may have a point.
(M)-adman
That would be true if we were "flaunting". As i indicated, we did not know the bar was a "gay"
bar. And we were not met with any rudeness until we ordered a second round of drinks and decided
to say. It was obvious we were not welcome for the second round.
>>
>> Some people, when they have had similar experiences, would think
>> "Oh, this is what it feels like to be gay in a majority-straight
>> society". Why does that thought not occur to you? Why are you so
>> obsessed with the wrong done to you, and so unwilling to see the
>> same wrong when it's done to others?
Because we did nothing other then walk into the bar and order drinks. We were going to stay and
have fun with everyone, but we were not accepted.
Minorties that cry the most about discrimination are usually the very ones that discriminate
themselves it would appear
Which is typical of many minorties these days
>>
>>>> I was raised from the cradle a Yankees fan, and I have lived in the
>>>> Boston area for roughly four decades, but I have never felt
>>>> welcome in a Boston sports bar. I am not a member of that
>>>> community. I once went into a neighborhood bar in South Boston.
>>>> Won't do that again, either. It's not personal, is what I'm
>>>> saying, it's that a bar is a society, and it takes a while to be
>>>> admitted even when you meet all the qualifications.
>>>
>>> You are making excuses for poor behavior.
>>
>> No, I don't think that Red Sox fans and working-class Boston Irish
>> Catholics have an obligation to include me as a drinking buddy. I
>> can and do wish for world where everyone is treated with respect,
>> regardless of race, creed, sex, sexual orientation, age, job,
>> political party, nationality, or baseball affiliation, but that
>> world is a long way off, and it's not going to arrive any faster
>> if I wait for everyone else to get rid of their prejudices first.
It would seem prejudices are sell perpetuating.
We were not prejudice walking in the bar, but we were prejudice walking out of the bar due to no
fault of our own. It would seem the very reaction that is hated by gays is the very action that
was elicited.
>>
>>>>
>>>> Think about the other bars you went to. Would you have felt so
>>>> welcome if you and your friends had been a pair of gay couples?
>>>> Were there any gay couples in those bars?
>>>
>>> If they do not have sex on top of the pool table, WHO cares?
>>>
>>
>> You didn't answer my questions. There were two of them.
>>
>> John
We were not made to feel welcome and no
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*Hemidactylus*
> *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>> Bret Cahill wrote:
>>>>> How did they know you were straight? Maybe it was your demeanor
>>>>> that irked them.
>>>> That's not just plausible but likely, in either a straight or gay
>>>> bar.
>>>>
>>> I'd say from the bar owner's standpoint that paying patrons who are
>>> well behaved are welcome regardless of orientation. The clientele,
>>> gay or straight, could OTOH be xenophobic assholes. They could be
>>> open and friendly. Who knows. Gays are no less capable of being
>>> jerks or nice folks than any other group of people.
>
> Exactly. And that night they were the jerks
>
homosexuals as a group? Can you even form a valid generalization about
that particular bar? You might be ignoring some unseen factors. Maybe
that bar had been the target of hate groups and they had recent violent
incidents so they were extremely cautious about strangers in their
midst. One of you might have given off nonverbal signals that were
perceived as offensive. All we are going on is your description of the
night based on your memories and perception.
Are you sure you weren't the only straight people there? Some of the men
may have been straight and as friends of the regulars accepted as safe
nonviolent outsiders.
Free Lunch
wrote in talk.origins:
We decided 220 years ago that such religious traditions would not and
could not be used to control our laws.
Frank J
> Bret Cahill wrote:
> >> A decade or so ago a straight couple found it romantic to go to a gay
> >> bar and smooch. Eventually the bar owner asked them to leave, maybe
> >> properly so.
>
> >> Has anyone ever compiled a list that would include anecdotal evidence
> >> similar to the above?
>
> >> Bret Cahill
>
> Sure, back in the 80's me and a fraternity friend
I'm no grammar expert, but I think it's "a fraternity friend and I"
> double dated and went bar hopping through the
> French Quarter. Once we were done with the popular sites, we went to the outskirts. On Rampart
> street a couple blocks off of Canal street we found a bar that looked interesting, so we parked
> and went in. Well, it was a Gay bar. While they tolerated us for the first drink, it was obvious
> that we were not welcome by the owner, the bar keep and the patrons when we ordered the second
> drink.
Also in the 80s, a buddy and I went to a bar to pick up women. There
was a line to enter, and the ratio was great. Then I noticed copies of
"Phila Gay News" at the entrance, and said "we gotta go". My buddy
said "are you crazy, it's mostly women here." When I pointed out the
paper, and that, on closer inspection the women were couples, we
bolted.
>
> I had no problem associating with, having a good time with them or being around so many gay
> people. It was them that made it clear that we were not welcome. So we paid for the second
> drinks and politely left.
>
> Needles to say
Rats. I too say "needles to say" for fun.
> that left a lasting impression on all of us many years latter. Especially when
> Gays claim they want to be like everyone else.
>
> Because it is the same today as it was back then. Gays want respect but are not willing to give
> respect to others in return.
>
> If gays say this is a free country and they should be treated as everyone else, then why we not
> welcome in a public bar? They were treating us as bad as they claim heterosexuals treat them.
In a free country you are free to have a bar that bans straights, as
well as a boy's club that bans gays.
>
> There is some anecdotal evidence for your study
Which is what? "Don't ask, don't tell?"
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Good. Because this is not about laws.
It is about the origins of religion
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It is all about the truth with:
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Free Lunch
wrote in talk.origins:
The evidence tells us that all religions are of human origin. You keep
inventing the one you preach here.
Robert Carnegie
> A decade or so ago a straight couple found it romantic to go to a gay
> bar and smooch. Eventually the bar owner asked them to leave, maybe
> properly so.
>
> Has anyone ever compiled a list that would include anecdotal evidence
> similar to the above?
Who in the name of Harvey Milk would make such a list? Besides the
Klu Kluk Clan, that is. You know why.
Of course the song "Gay Bar" was rather popular a few years ago.
Although as "song" I seem to recall it's mostly shouting, not singing.