Reminder.
NashtOn
reinforce atheism and corrupt young minds.
As far as utility, I can't think of another human endeavor that ranks as
low. So when you're arguing about it, remember that you still haven't
mastered the fine art of picking your battles because the ToE is near
death.Abiogenesis is already DOA and most of the laypeople that post in
here could tell a genome from a strand of mRNA.
Nicola
Tiny Bulcher
Well, I guess that clears that up and we can all go home. Before we do,
I'd like to thank both Nicola and Nicolas for their effortless command
of biological science, their willingness to explain difficult
scientific concepts in clear language for the benefit of us poor
laypeople, their principled refusal to be be drawn into the swamp of
personal invective whilst debating such controversial topics, and above
all for the example they have set for others to follow. One can only
hope that future proponents of their point of view take heed of their
methods and principles and adopt them in every respect.
--
Tiny
Leonides
acumen as regards biological sciences and the relevant proofs for your
assertions (with appropriate references and or links).
Since I'm a layperson, you'll have to type real slowly cuz ah maht noht
understayand yoh comple... compli... difffic... hard wurdz.
Oh, and I'd guess you mean most of the laypeople here 'couldn't' tell a
genome from a strand of mRNA. Since you obviously can, I'd like your
definitions please.
Cheers
John
wf3...@comcast.net
>The ToE is useless. It has given absolutely nothing to humanity but to
>reinforce atheism and corrupt young minds.
nasht appears to be of the mind of those who killed socrates. you
destroy an idea because it conflicts with YOUR religious values. if i
say my god created pink grass, but it turns out grass is green, then i
can say those who believe in green grass are atheists...
and that's nasht's logic.
>
>As far as utility, I can't think of another human endeavor that ranks as
>low.
since evolution is the foundation of biology and enables us to
understand the relationship between, and the development of species,
only those who value ignorance would say such a thing
which is creationism in a nutshell.
So when you're arguing about it, remember that you still haven't
>mastered the fine art of picking your battles because the ToE is near
>death.Abiogenesis is already DOA and most of the laypeople that post in
>here could tell a genome from a strand of mRNA.
>
those of us who are scientists value truth, and know evolution is
fact. nasht wants the same thing for the west that iran has...a
morally decadent, intellectually dead theocracy.
he's a taliban wannabe.
Adario
> The ToE is useless. It has given absolutely nothing to humanity but to
> reinforce atheism and corrupt young minds.
The December issue of the Howard Hughes Medical Institute Bulletin has an
article entitled "Evolution is Our Laboratory." It is online at:
http://www.hhmi.org/bulletin/dec2005/features/evolution.html
I think they would know more about ToE than a common net troll.
SeppoP
Want to make a bet on either one (demise of TOE and death of abiogenesis)?
--
Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
Bill Wayne
NashtOn wrote:
> The ToE is useless. It has given absolutely nothing to humanity but to
> reinforce atheism and corrupt young minds.
Ever hear of "Theistic Evolution"? If anything, creationism has
corrupted your mind to the point you can't accept a better alternative.
> As far as utility, I can't think of another human endeavor that ranks as
> low.
Astronomy (not astrophysics) and perhaps quantum mechanics are just as
useless as "evolution" assuming we accept your argument.
Also, is it not worth teaching something simply because it's true? If
not, why bother teaching much of history?
> So when you're arguing about it, remember that you still haven't
> mastered the fine art of picking your battles because the ToE is near
> death.
People have been saying that for, over 150 years. Either it's dying to
slowly for biologists to see, or you are just lying.
> Abiogenesis is already DOA and most of the laypeople that post in
> here could tell a genome from a strand of mRNA.
Abiogenesis is irrelevent to evolution. Has it ever occured to you
that, for example, God could have kickstarted the process?
Also, given from some arguments I've seen, not everybody apparently
knows the difference.
> Nicola
Bill
Thurisaz the Einherjer
> The ToE is useless. It has given absolutely nothing to humanity but to
> reinforce atheism and corrupt young minds.
Aaah, mantras and nonsense as usual from fundie brat... ;)
--
Romans 2:24 revised:
"For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you
cretinists, as it is written on aig."
Why I am not a christian:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus/nojebus
er...@swva.net
> The ToE is useless. It has given absolutely nothing to humanity
Yawn. Says you, and your a liar. Plus, you still haven't answered the
question, if true, so what? The value of a scientific theory is in how
accurately it explains the data. ToE beats all competitors by a huge
margin.
> but to
> reinforce atheism
People are entitled to be atheists if they want. Plus no science
"supports" religion, the whole obsession with evolution on the part
science-haters is just bullpucky.
> and corrupt young minds.
Oh horrors! corrupt them with science! Let's leave them ignorant
stooges, like NashtOn wants.
>
> As far as utility, I can't think of another human endeavor that ranks as
> low.
Fundamentalism. It takes religion and turns it into an odious joke.
Anti-intellectualism. It encourages people to think ignorance is just
as good as knowledge.
> So when you're arguing about it, remember that you still haven't
> mastered the fine art of picking your battles because the ToE is near
> death.
Just keep whistling in the dark. Only if your side goes so far as to
start killing scientists because you all are too in love with your own
moral corruption. The only things that keeps creationism going are the
mental illnesses of absolutist thinking and fear of uncertainty. There
is no actual evidence for it.
> Abiogenesis is already DOA and most of the laypeople that post in
> here could tell a genome from a strand of mRNA.
>
> Nicola
Wah wah wah, boo hoo hoo.
TomS
<pan.2005.12.30....@invalid.invalid>, Adario stated..."
Thank you for that reference.
To quote from the last couple of paragraphs:
"And, just as studies of evolution have revealed a profound
unity among biological organisms, so have they fostered an
appreciation of the unity among biological disciplines. ...
"In recent years, the study of evolution has been drawing
the disciplines together. Researchers are increasingly
appreciating that evolution acts on all levels - from the
molecular to the cellular to the organismic to the ecological
to the social - and that all aspects of biology reflect the
workings of natural selection."
--
---Tom S. <http://talkreason.org/articles/chickegg.cfm>
"It is not too much to say that every indication of Design in the Kosmos is so
much evidence against the Omnipotence of the Designer. ... The evidences ... of
Natural Theology distinctly imply that the author of the Kosmos worked under
limitations..." John Stuart Mill, "Theism", Part II
unrestra...@hotmail.com
NashtOn wrote:
> The ToE is useless. It has given absolutely nothing to humanity but to
> reinforce atheism and corrupt young minds.
Gosh, Nicola, apparently nobody told you, but most Christian churches
accept evolutionary science.
>
> As far as utility, I can't think of another human endeavor that ranks as
> low.
I would be ashamed to admit that learning ranks low in my list of
priorities. Yet you have no honor, so I suppose are not easily shamed.
> So when you're arguing about it, remember that you still haven't
> mastered the fine art of picking your battles because the ToE is near
> death.Abiogenesis is already DOA and most of the laypeople that post in
> here could tell a genome from a strand of mRNA.
>
> Nicola
Curiously, none of the biologists seem to know about this.
Do you have any cites, other than Jack Chick comics? As usual, you are
offering assertions without any supporting data, and which fly in the
face of our own experience.
Kermit
Robert J. Kolker
> The ToE is useless. It has given absolutely nothing to humanity but to
> reinforce atheism and corrupt young minds.
ToE = Genetics + Molecular Biology. The contributions to technology,
science, medicine and engineer are legion. Evey diabetic kept alive by
-human- insulin produced by bacteria is a beneficiary of the modern
version of evolutionary theory.
Darwin discovered version 1.0. We are well beyond that now.
Bob Kolker
chris.li...@gmail.com
> The ToE is useless.
Lie number 1.
> It has given absolutely nothing to humanity but to
Two.
> reinforce atheism
Three.
> and corrupt young minds.
Four.
> As far as utility, I can't think of another human endeavor that ranks as
> low.
Not a lie, just a demonstration of your mental limitations.
> So when you're arguing about it, remember that you still haven't
> mastered the fine art of picking your battles because the ToE is near
> death.
There's five.
> Abiogenesis is already DOA
Six.
>and most of the laypeople that post in
> here could tell a genome from a strand of mRNA.
Taking that typo in the mean, little spirit it was meant, seven.
> Nicola
Is that your real name? If not, there's eight.
What does God think of you now?
Chris
Lee Jay
> The ToE is useless. It has given absolutely nothing to humanity but to
> reinforce atheism and corrupt young minds.
I have two family members whose livelihoods are generated from the sale
of products that are designed, manufactured and tested using
evolutionary principles. If the ToE was wrong, these products wouldn't
work and would therefore not generate any revenue. Since both of these
people live in houses, drive cars and eat food all bought with money
generated from the sale of these products, I conclude the products
actually work. In fact, one of those products saved my boss' life.
> As far as utility, I can't think of another human endeavor that ranks as
> low.
You're not thinking very hard. There are quite a few human endeavors
that actually have negative utility. Terrorism, political lobbying,
and religion are a few that come to mind. As I showed above, the ToE
has positive utility since it supports two of my family members and
saved the life of at least one person I know.
> So when you're arguing about it, remember that you still haven't
> mastered the fine art of picking your battles because the ToE is near
> death.
In your delusions, perhaps. Every day, more evidence is found in
support of ToE.
> Abiogenesis is already DOA and most of the laypeople that post in
> here could tell a genome from a strand of mRNA.
Ummm...this makes no sense whatsoever.
Lee Jay
AC
NashtOn <na...@na.ca> wrote:
> The ToE is useless. It has given absolutely nothing to humanity but to
> reinforce atheism and corrupt young minds.
It is the grand unifying theory of biology.
>
> As far as utility, I can't think of another human endeavor that ranks as
> low. So when you're arguing about it, remember that you still haven't
> mastered the fine art of picking your battles because the ToE is near
> death.Abiogenesis is already DOA and most of the laypeople that post in
> here could tell a genome from a strand of mRNA.
I'm sorry, but your ignorance and prejudice against those who know more than
you does not mean a damn thing.
--
Aaron Clausen
mightym...@hotmail.com
CreateThis
Not Nick. He's not even up to Darwin yet.
CT
Inez
NashtOn wrote:
> The ToE is useless. It has given absolutely nothing to humanity but to
> reinforce atheism and corrupt young minds.
>
> As far as utility, I can't think of another human endeavor that ranks as
> low.
How about reading internet boards dedicated to the discussion of a
theory that you don't believe is either true or important?
CreateThis
Are you trying to say Nick's human? Cites, please.
CT
VoiceOfReason
NashtOn wrote:
> The ToE is useless. It has given absolutely nothing to humanity but to
*YAWN*
You need some new material.
Inez
and his typing skills would be extraordinary for a hyena.
Bill Wayne
No need. By analyzing his posting time, posting style, arguments,
responses to their refutations, and subsequent arguments, I have
concluded that Nick is, in fact, a bot.
To be completely honest, a bot that mimics logos would be much easier.
All you would need it to do is make a horror-story anecdote and replace
certain words with "secularist", "evolutionist", "darwinist", and
"liberal". Problem solved.
> CT
Bill
Frank Sullivan
Josh M.
"CreateThis" <Creat...@yippee.com> wrote in message
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He's still stuck on Genesis.
> CT
>
Marc
OK, Dude.... er, Dudess?
Having browsed the replies at this point in time,
your post has had 23 replies strongly against the
ideas you suggest. (Count me as another!)
If you think that you post was worth "a home run",
then the score is somethine like 24-1. (Actually,
it should be recorded as 24-0 in the scorebook.)
OK... it's the start of the second inning.
Swing away with the next pitch, Nic**
Good luck.
Actually, if NOBODY replied to Nicola at all
it would be a good thing. I know.... those
poor lurkers or innocent year 10 students may
stumble upon his/her posts and take them as
meaningful. But then again.... would they?
Are there any lurkers who want to weigh in on
this matter, or should dozens of us evo-believers
keep falling for stupid trolls by this net-idiot?
(signed) marc
Marc Buhler, PhD
Hey, Nic... see those three letters?
It means I've evolved farther than you have.
.
Timberwoof
er...@swva.net wrote:
> NashtOn wrote:
<snip>
> > and corrupt young minds.
>
> Oh horrors! corrupt them with science! Let's leave them ignorant
> stooges, like NashtOn wants.
I think that sentence is best punctuated with a period after the word Nashton:
> Let's leave them ignorant stooges, like NashtOn.
--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
Jesus H Christ
news:42atf.147173$Ph4.4...@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca:
> The ToE is useless.
No it isn't.
There, I have demonstrated the counter-argument to your evidence.
> It has given absolutely nothing to humanity but to
> reinforce atheism
Well, on that basis it's not ALL bad.
I think helping modern biology to understand the origin of species is
also a pretty good side-benefit of reinforcing atheism, don't you think?
> and corrupt young minds.
You need to be more specific. Exactly what kind of corruption did you
have in mind?
> As far as utility, I can't think of another human endeavor that ranks
> as low.
Umm... exploitive religions?
> So when you're arguing about it, remember that you still haven't
> mastered the fine art of picking your battles because the ToE is near
> death.
Nope. Just as SCIENCE says, the ToE is alive and kicking ass.
> Abiogenesis is already DOA
Here's a hint;
a) Abiogenesis is alive and well. Big steps are being made every day.
b) Abiogenesis isn't evolution, ya eedjit.
> and most of the laypeople that post in
> here could tell a genome from a strand of mRNA.
Well, it's a good thing they have the common sense to ignore your
rantings, isn't it?
> Nicola
Wash my feet, fundie!
Pithecanthropus Erectus
> NashtOn wrote:
>
>>The ToE is useless. It has given absolutely nothing to humanity but to
>>reinforce atheism and corrupt young minds.
>>
>>As far as utility, I can't think of another human endeavor that ranks as
>>low. So when you're arguing about it, remember that you still haven't
>>mastered the fine art of picking your battles because the ToE is near
>>death.Abiogenesis is already DOA and most of the laypeople that post in
>>here could tell a genome from a strand of mRNA.
>>
>>Nicola
>
>
>
> OK, Dude.... er, Dudess?
>
> Having browsed the replies at this point in time,
> your post has had 23 replies strongly against the
> ideas you suggest. (Count me as another!)
>
> If you think that you post was worth "a home run",
> then the score is somethine like 24-1. (Actually,
> it should be recorded as 24-0 in the scorebook.)
Nicky swung for the fences and missed, but he circled the bases while
the other team was heading to the dugout. Big kids like to let little
kids do that, just to be nice.
Mark VandeWettering
> The ToE is useless.
> It has given absolutely nothing to humanity but to
> reinforce atheism and corrupt young minds.
These two statements are contradictory, are they not?
> As far as utility, I can't think of another human endeavor that ranks as
> low.
Well, you aren't very good at thinking, so perhaps that's not as surprising
as it might be.
> So when you're arguing about it, remember that you still haven't
> mastered the fine art of picking your battles because the ToE is near
> death.Abiogenesis is already DOA and most of the laypeople that post in
> here could tell a genome from a strand of mRNA.
Mark
>
> Nicola
>