Newsgroups: talk.origins
From: seanpitnos...@naturalselection.0catch.com (Sean Pitman)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:10:40 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Wed, Mar 10 2004 11:10 am
Subject: Crop Circles
drear...@hotmail.com (Von Smith) wrote in message <news:8d74ec45.0403071648.3273a8d5@posting.google.com>... The reason why your skin heals when you cut yourself is not because > > For example, if I walk by a house in the morning and find a window > > broken I can rationally assume either a mindless or mindful cause for > > that broken window as both processes could give rise to such a > > phenomenon. However, if I were to walk by this same house in the > > evening and find that this window had been fixed, could I rationally > > assume anything other than a mindful cause? > I don't know. If I cut myself and it heals, could I rationally assume the molecules in your skin have some inherent individual capacity to organize themselves in such a way. They are only able to work to heal your skin because of the existence of the pre-established order of the incredibly complex information system that directs the processes of the skin to include its self-healing properties. If you don't believe me, try cutting a dead body and see what happens. The cut doesn't heal itself. Consider the window example again for illustration. What if I set up So, in seeing a window or a cut on your arm become "fixed" it is no > If I shake up oil and vineager, The separation of oil and vinegar does not require the input of > and then come back later to find it re-separated, could I rationally > assume anything other than a mindful cause? outside information because the required information needed to give rise to this phenomenon is contained within each of the individual oil and vinegar molecules themselves. However, if you were to find drops of oil and vinegar arranged in a very symmetrical pattern around your plate, you could adequately assume design because you know that such a pattern is not inherent to either oil or vinegar, but would require some sort of outside informational input. > We know from a variety of Again, you must know two things in order to adequately propose the > sources that *windows* do not heal themselves or reform on their own. > There are other things that do, however. activity of intelligent design. You must know the inherent limitations of a give system and its individual components AND you must know the potential of higher outside informational systems (such as an intelligent mind at the level of the human mind or beyond). For example, if you knew nothing about the normal crystallizable forms Another useful example is the "crop circles" that people made in wheat You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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