loon census
Dan Luke
has disturbed migration patterns; some of them my still be in route):
Recent sightings:
Ray Martinez
nando
McClueless
Wall Of Sleep
Old Man Joe
Apobetics
Seek Divine
Pagano
Angel - Inner Quest
paratope
Dale Kelly
Not seen on the pond lately:
Gerard
David Ford
NashtOn
Giwer
Ken Seto
Pastor Dave
Uncle Davey
Reports from the field welcome; taxonomic quibbles considered.
--
Dan
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
- Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Shane
> It's that time again (ok, I'm a month or so late, but global climate change
> has disturbed migration patterns; some of them my still be in route):
>
> Recent sightings:
>
> Ray Martinez
> nando
> McClueless
> Wall Of Sleep
> Old Man Joe
> Apobetics
> Seek Divine
> Pagano
> Angel - Inner Quest
> paratope
> Dale Kelly
Codebreaker/Tohu-Bohu
Jim Spaza
Glenn Sheldon
sss1000
someonex
> Not seen on the pond lately:
>
> Gerard
> David Ford
> NashtOn
> Giwer
> Ken Seto
> Pastor Dave
> Uncle Davey
LotsaQuestions
Richard Clayton
> It's that time again (ok, I'm a month or so late, but global climate change
> has disturbed migration patterns; some of them my still be in route):
>
> Recent sightings:
>
> Ray Martinez
> nando
> McClueless
> Wall Of Sleep
> Old Man Joe
> Apobetics
> Seek Divine
> Pagano
> Angel - Inner Quest
> paratope
> Dale Kelly
>
>
> Not seen on the pond lately:
>
> Gerard
> David Ford
> NashtOn
> Giwer
> Ken Seto
> Pastor Dave
> Uncle Davey
>
> Reports from the field welcome; taxonomic quibbles considered.
Steve "DaveP50" Muscat posted here not too long ago.
--
[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Richard Clayton
"Remember, always be yourself. Unless you suck." — Joss Whedon
John Harshman
> It's that time again (ok, I'm a month or so late, but global climate change
> has disturbed migration patterns; some of them my still be in route):
>
> Recent sightings:
>
> Ray Martinez
> nando
> McClueless
> Wall Of Sleep
> Old Man Joe
> Apobetics
> Seek Divine
> Pagano
> Angel - Inner Quest
> paratope
> Dale Kelly
>
>
> Not seen on the pond lately:
>
> Gerard
> David Ford
> NashtOn
> Giwer
> Ken Seto
> Pastor Dave
> Uncle Davey
Jabbers too.
>
> Reports from the field welcome; taxonomic quibbles considered.
>
How about someone who is either Charlie Wagner or is cutting and pasting
from his website, and who calls himself either paratope.epitope or
limitationsofscience? Oh, I see you have him already under one of his names.
I would also note that not quite all the loons are creationists. Uranium
Committee (UC) has been posting a little lately. JTEM is highly active.
And Ye Old One is increasingly bizarre.
John Harshman
> It's that time again (ok, I'm a month or so late, but global climate change
> has disturbed migration patterns; some of them my still be in route):
>
> Recent sightings:
>
> Ray Martinez
> nando
> McClueless
> Wall Of Sleep
> Old Man Joe
> Apobetics
> Seek Divine
> Pagano
> Angel - Inner Quest
> paratope
> Dale Kelly
Oh, and who could forget bimms?
Ken Shackleton
Spintronic? Has he been around lately?
Dan Luke
"John Harshman" wrote:
>
> Oh, and who could forget bimms?
Good grief--we forgot Zoe!
Dan Luke
"John Harshman" wrote:
> And Ye Old One is increasingly bizarre.
How could we forget the indoor cat rehabilitator?
Cemtech
c17...@dingdongsouth.net says...
> It's that time again (ok, I'm a month or so late, but global climate change
> has disturbed migration patterns; some of them my still be in route):
>
> Recent sightings:
>
> Ray Martinez
> nando
> McClueless
> Wall Of Sleep
> Old Man Joe
> Apobetics
> Seek Divine
> Pagano
> Angel - Inner Quest
> paratope
> Dale Kelly
>
>
> Not seen on the pond lately:
>
> Gerard
> David Ford
> NashtOn
> Giwer
> Ken Seto
> Pastor Dave
> Uncle Davey
>
>
> Reports from the field welcome; taxonomic quibbles considered.
How could you forget Ed Conrad?! Er Lin Linwhatever.
That man is up there with the classic usenet kooks.
--
Steve "Chris" Price
Associate Professor of Computational Aesthetics
Amish Chair of Electrical Engineering
University of Ediacara "A fine tradition since 530,000,000 BC"
Cheezits
Don't you dare put Zoe in the same league with those loons! I think
she's brilliant in her own weird way. And Mr. Sleep may be a crackpot
but at least you can carry on a semi-reasonable conversation with him.
You gotta give these people a little credit for putting some effort into
their postings, unlike the spew-bots.
Sue
--
"It's not smart or correct, but it's one of the things that
make us what we are." - Red Green
Dan Luke
"Cemtech" wrote:
>
> How could you forget Ed Conrad?! Er Lin Linwhatever.
>
> That man is up there with the classic usenet kooks.
There is no longer any doubt that Lin-whatsis is in fact Eddo himself?
Whatever, he joins the flock.
Shane
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:50:07 -0500, Dan Luke wrote:
>
>> It's that time again (ok, I'm a month or so late, but global climate change
>> has disturbed migration patterns; some of them my still be in route):
>>
>> Recent sightings:
>>
>> Ray Martinez
>> nando
>> McClueless
>> Wall Of Sleep
>> Old Man Joe
>> Apobetics
>> Seek Divine
>> Pagano
>> Angel - Inner Quest
>> paratope
>> Dale Kelly
> Codebreaker/Tohu-Bohu
> Jim Spaza
> Glenn Sheldon
> sss1000
> someonex
George Evans
Ray Martinez
As Danny said "it is time again" for Darwinists to have a topic about
their enemies.
I could not be anymore pleased to have my name at the top of the list.
Since alphabetical order is not seen I must conlcude that I am the
current head loon.
Since Darwinists brown nose a naked emperor and actually believe apes
morphed into men and actually believe in common ancestry - head loon
is the greatest evidence of my antithetic status. The approval of
persons who believe what I just mentioned would have surely made me a
loon.
In addition, since all atheists believe in ToE the disapproval of
reverse Fundamentalists warms my soul - thanks....thank you Mark Isaak
and Wesley Ellsberry.
Ray Martinez, Protestant Evangelical Paulinist, Old Earth/young-Nature
Creationist.
Dan Luke
"Cheezits" wrote:
>> Good grief--we forgot Zoe!
>
> Don't you dare put Zoe in the same league with those loons! I think
> she's brilliant in her own weird way. And Mr. Sleep may be a crackpot
> but at least you can carry on a semi-reasonable conversation with him.
> You gotta give these people a little credit for putting some effort into
> their postings, unlike the spew-bots.
Well, there are benign and malignant loons. Some, like Zoe, at least seem
to be people you could chat comfortably with face to face. Ray or Jabs, on
the other hand...
A mean-spirited disposition is not a requirement for loon-dom. I enjoy the
Zoe threads; I'd hate for her to disappear, but her near-paranoia about
science puts her among the gaviae, nonetheless. As Harshman put it, she is
suspicious to the point of debility.
That reminds me: I forgot Sean Pitman.
limitationsofscience
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
add to list the following loons:
David Canzi
Desertphile
W3fh
Raven1
Bob T
RAM
RonO
chrislinthompson
richardalanforrest
Dan Luke
"Ray Martinez" wrote:
> As Danny said "it is time again" for Darwinists to have a topic about
> their enemies.
>
> I could not be anymore pleased to have my name at the top of the list.
> Since alphabetical order is not seen I must conlcude that I am the
> current head loon.
Absolutely! You beat nando by a feather.
> Since Darwinists brown nose a naked emperor and actually believe apes
> morphed into men and actually believe in common ancestry - head loon
> is the greatest evidence of my antithetic status. The approval of
> persons who believe what I just mentioned would have surely made me a
> loon.
Right, Chief.
Mind the eels when you're diving, won't you?
Dana Tweedy
"Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1176258465.6...@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
snip
> As Danny said "it is time again" for Darwinists to have a topic about
> their enemies.
Who said anything about enemies?
>
> I could not be anymore pleased to have my name at the top of the list.
> Since alphabetical order is not seen I must conlcude that I am the
> current head loon.
Maybe you are the one that comes to mind first when the word "loon" crops
up.
>
> Since Darwinists brown nose a naked emperor
What 'naked emperor' is that. Ray?
> and actually believe apes
> morphed into men
Humans are apes, Ray. Why would it be odd to accept the evidence of human
evolution?
> and actually believe in common ancestry
wow, and they also actually believe in gravity.....
>- head loon
> is the greatest evidence of my antithetic status.
No, it's only greatest evidence of your "loondom".
> The approval of
> persons who believe what I just mentioned would have surely made me a
> loon.
No, your loonyness makes you a loon. The "approval" of people who accept
science only suggests competency.
>
> In addition, since all atheists believe in ToE
Not all atheists "believe in" the theory of evolution, something you have
admitted yourself.
> cthe disapproval of
> reverse Fundamentalists warms my soul
Is that the soul you traded in to Gene Scott for that bridge you keep trying
to peddle?
>- thanks....thank you Mark Isaak
> and Wesley Ellsberry.
Mark and Wesley haven't even posted in this thread, Why are you thanking
them for your own loonyness?
>
> Ray Martinez, Protestant Evangelical Paulinist, Old Earth/young-Nature
> Creationist.
and chief loon
DJT
Harry K
Do you ever retire anyone? Boatwright comes to mind.
Harry K
Shane
Lovers Of Overtly Naturalistic Science.
Consider it done.
hhya...@gmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ray,
Have you got wings.......?
If not, how can you hide among the humen........?
Yap
Lee Jay
> Since Darwinists brown nose a naked emperor and actually believe apes
> morphed into men and actually believe in common ancestry - head loon
> is the greatest evidence of my antithetic status. The approval of
> persons who believe what I just mentioned would have surely made me a
> loon.
Sometimes a loon is just a loon, Ray.
> Ray Martinez, Protestant Evangelical Paulinist, Old Earth/young-Nature
> Creationist.
See? PEPOEYNC is easier to say if you spell it L-O-O-N.
Lee Jay
Dale Kelly
> Dale Kelly
do you ever think about what we thinkk of you?
--
Dale
http://www.vedantasite.org
Shane
[...]
> The approval of
> persons who believe what I just mentioned would have surely made me a
> loon.
Ray is, of course, lying here, just last month, on two seperate
occasions, he had people who he identified as atheist/Darwinists agree
with him, and far from being depressed at his wrongness, he was
positively squirming with delight, to the point where he could have
given lessons in squirming to a litter of hungry puppies.
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.origins/msg/d44c5c5c9fe59578?hl=en&
http://groups.google.com.au/group/talk.origins/msg/d2503d908dfd8165?hl=en&
Note to lurkers, when Ray posts something on almost every occasion it
is as in this particular case, demonstrably incorrect.
Shane
derdag
drdach
John Wilkins
I read it as an anagram of POPEYE, NC. He am what he am...
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts
"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor,
bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."
Mark VandeWettering
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:50:07 -0500, Dan Luke wrote:
>
>> Dale Kelly
>
> do you ever think about what we thinkk of you?
This presumes that anyone actually thinks you can think at all.
Mark
Stile4aly
> It's that time again (ok, I'm a month or so late, but global climate change
> has disturbed migration patterns; some of them my still be in route):
>
> Recent sightings:
>
> Ray Martinez
> nando
> McClueless
> Wall Of Sleep
> Old Man Joe
> Apobetics
> Seek Divine
> Pagano
> Angel - Inner Quest
> paratope
> Dale Kelly
>
>
> Gerard
> David Ford
> NashtOn
> Giwer
> Ken Seto
> Pastor Dave
> Uncle Davey
>
>
> Dan
>
> "How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
> - Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Gone but not forgotten: Art Bulla, Jong Kim, and my new personal
favorite: Prime Minister of the Kingdom of God.
Zuca
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:50:07 -0500, Dan Luke wrote:
>
>> Dale Kelly
>
> do you ever think about what we thinkk of you?
>
thoughts on us actually be anything but a complete distortion of reality
as well ?
SeppoP
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:50:07 -0500, Dan Luke wrote:
>
>> Dale Kelly
>
> do you ever think about what we thinkk of you?
>
Who cares what goes on in your delusional mind.
--
Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
bul...@bellsouth.net
Karl (or was it Carl) Crawford.
Boikat
SeppoP
Don't forget:
elijajoveh
Bro. James D Albright
SeekDivine
Wakboth
> Ray Martinez, Protestant Evangelical Paulinist, Old Earth/young-Nature
> Creationist.
And by behavior and admission, apparently no Christian.
-- Wakboth
Wombat
> It's that time again (ok, I'm a month or so late, but global climate change
> has disturbed migration patterns; some of them my still be in route):
>
> Recent sightings:
>
> RayMartinez
> nando
> McClueless
> Wall Of Sleep
> Old Man Joe
> Apobetics
> Seek Divine
> Pagano
> Angel - Inner Quest
> paratope
> Dale Kelly
>
>
> Gerard
> David Ford
> NashtOn
> Giwer
> Ken Seto
> Pastor Dave
> Uncle Davey
>
>
> --
> Dan
>
> "How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
> - Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Whatever happened to Big Discusser?
Wombat
George
"Shane" <remarcs...@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:rn06vihrkoey.11...@40tude.net...
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:22:25 +1000, Shane wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:50:07 -0500, Dan Luke wrote:
>>
>>> It's that time again (ok, I'm a month or so late, but global climate
>>> change
>>> has disturbed migration patterns; some of them my still be in route):
>>>
>>> Recent sightings:
>>>
>>> Ray Martinez
>>> nando
>>> McClueless
>>> Wall Of Sleep
>>> Old Man Joe
>>> Apobetics
>>> Seek Divine
>>> Pagano
>>> Angel - Inner Quest
>>> paratope
>>> Dale Kelly
>> Codebreaker/Tohu-Bohu
>> Jim Spaza
>> Glenn Sheldon
>> sss1000
>> someonex
> George Evans
Warhol
Ed Conrad
wf3h
Ray Martinez wrote:
>>
> As Danny said "it is time again" for Darwinists to have a topic about
> their enemies.
>
> I could not be anymore pleased to have my name at the top of the list.
> Since alphabetical order is not seen I must conlcude that I am the
> current head loon.
you're not an enemy; you're an irrelevancy. that's what creationism
is. you shriek that creationism is the theory of the future; but it
always WILL be. its time will never come simply because it's already
passed. you're part of that passing.
you may huff and puff. you may rant about the atheism of christians
who dont believe as you do; you make villify all scientists. but the
fact is you've lost. there are no more scientists today who are
creationists than there were 50 years ago.
you're not an enemy; you're a loser.
J.J. O'Shea
(in article <pan.2007.04...@comcast.net>):
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:50:07 -0500, Dan Luke wrote:
>
>> Dale Kelly
>
> do you ever think about what we thinkk of you?
>
>
We don't _care_ what loons think of us.
--
email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
richardal...@googlemail.com
Well, Ray thinks that I'm an atheist.
George Evans thinks that I'm a liar and a coward.
Nando thinks that I'm a racist, a Nazi, a liar and that I condone
genocide.
I think I'm opposed to dishonesty, and have never made any post which
would support these views.
What do you think?
RF
SeppoP
Probably got 83 years (or whatever it was) old once too many times.
Dan Luke
"Shane" <remarcs...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> Glenn Sheldon
Ah, yes: Sheldon.
Readers may recall that Glenn, while technically a weasel, was granted
honorary loon status last year by acclamation.
Dan Luke
"Dale Kelly" wrote:
>
> do you ever think about what we thinkk of you?
Yes!
Learning the bizarre ways loons perceive other people is one of the most
interesting things about reading their posts.
John Wilkins
Jeffrey Turner
Tears of rage that Logos isn't on the list.
--Jeff
--
We can have democracy or we can have
great wealth concentrated in the hands
of the few. We cannot have both.
--Justice Louis Brandeis
Richard Clayton
> "Cemtech" wrote:
>
> > How could you forget Ed Conrad?! Er Lin Linwhatever.
>
> > That man is up there with the classic usenet kooks.
>
> There is no longer any doubt that Lin-whatsis is in fact Eddo himself?
>
> Whatever, he joins the flock.
I'm pretty sure he's not, actually.
Richard Clayton
> On Apr 10, 4:50 pm, "Dan Luke" <c17...@dingdongsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > It's that time again (ok, I'm a month or so late, but global climate change
> > has disturbed migration patterns; some of them my still be in route):
>
> > Recent sightings:
>
> > Ray Martinez
> > nando
> > McClueless
> > Wall Of Sleep
> > Old Man Joe
> > Apobetics
> > Seek Divine
> > Pagano
> > Angel - Inner Quest
> > paratope
> > Dale Kelly
>
>
> > Gerard
> > David Ford
> > NashtOn
> > Giwer
> > Ken Seto
> > Pastor Dave
> > Uncle Davey
>
>
> their enemies.
You're not an enemy, Ray, you're a figure of fun. I don't hate Charlie
Chaplin, I simply laugh at his comic ineptitude. (Of course, Charlie
was silly on *purpose*...)
> I could not be anymore pleased to have my name at the top of the list.
> Since alphabetical order is not seen I must conlcude that I am the
> current head loon.
I'm not sure if that's an honor I'd be eager to claim, but have at it.
Maybe you should make a little tinfoil crown that says "HEAD LOON." It
would look smashing with your sandwich board.
> Since Darwinists brown nose a naked emperor and actually believe apes
> morphed into men
Still repeating this canard, Ray? Apes didn't "morph into men" any
more than canines "morphed into dogs." Humans are a species of ape.
(This classification precedes Darwin by a century.) The transition was
not an instantaneous one, either; it was a gradual one over millions
of years, and there are excellent fossils that document the
transition.
Repeating the "morphed into men" claim while running away from the
evidence doesn't just make you look dishonest, it makes you look
stupid. And silly. That's why you come off as a loon.
> and actually believe in common ancestry
Ah, yes, common ancestry. So, do you have a different scientific
theory to explain endogenous retroviral insertions? Oh, wait, you
proudly proclaimed you had no idea what they were...
> - head loon
> is the greatest evidence of my antithetic status. The approval of
> persons who believe what I just mentioned would have surely made me a
> loon.
>
> In addition, since all atheists believe in ToE the disapproval of
> reverse Fundamentalists warms my soul - thanks....thank you Mark Isaak
> and Wesley Ellsberry.
What brilliant logic. Maybe Kent Hovind should have hired you as his
defense lawyer. "Since the authorities say I'm guilty, that's the
greatest evidence that I'm innocent!"
Richard Clayton
Her old web page is defunct. I can believe she actually was who she
claimed to be (her grandson's use of her account notwithstanding), so
she may have passed away. A little respect might be in order...
Ye Old One
Oh? Care to share your reasoning?
--
Bob.
Ye Old One
enriched this group when s/he wrote:
If you have those people that confused about you then you must be
doing something right.
--
Bob.
gregwrld
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:50:07 -0500, Dan Luke wrote:
> > Dale Kelly
>
> do you ever think about what we thinkk of you?
>
No.
gregwrld
> --
> Dalehttp://www.vedantasite.org
richardal...@googlemail.com
> <richardalanforr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 11, 4:22 am, Dale Kelly <dale.ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:50:07 -0500, Dan Luke wrote:
> > > > Dale Kelly
>
> > > do you ever think about what we thinkk of you?
>
> > > --
> > > Dalehttp://www.vedantasite.org
>
> > Well, Ray thinks that I'm an atheist.
> > George Evans thinks that I'm a liar and a coward.
> > Nando thinks that I'm a racist, a Nazi, a liar and that I condone
> > genocide.
>
> > I think I'm opposed to dishonesty, and have never made any post which
> > would support these views.
>
> > What do you think?
>
> I think you're a True Scotsman...
> --
You should see what I'm hiding in my sporan....or perhaps not....
RF
Jim
> - Chief Inspector Dreyfus
I've been lurking here for years, and it seems to me that recently
more of the local loons (Apobetics and Old Man Joe certainly, maybe
others) have begun making posts that start to sound like they are
working up to declaring literal jihad on both rationality and those
who practice it. It may be just me, but Apobetics' stuff, read at
face value, seems almost Goeringesque - Old Man Joe seems to me to be
working up to saying it is God's will that atheist evolutionists die
by the sword. I mean, folks like Skywise (aka Church of the Painful
Truth et al.) were nasty and malicious, but did not appear to me to be
engaged in dehumanizing their opponents to the same extent. Is it
just bad memory on my part, or is the lunatic fringe a little more
extreme recently?
Oh, and don't forget Jason Gastrich...
AC
Cheezits <Cheez...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Dan Luke" <c17...@dingdongsouth.net> wrote:
>> "John Harshman" wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh, and who could forget bimms?
>>
>> Good grief--we forgot Zoe!
>
> Don't you dare put Zoe in the same league with those loons! I think
> she's brilliant in her own weird way.
I don't think Zoe is brilliant. I think she's a reasonably intelligent
person who is trying to prop up a failed worldview as best she can. I
don't find that an admirable trait, nor a sign of brilliance. By the
same token, she is not a net-loon. She's just a person who can't overcome
her preconceptions.
<snip>
--
Aaron Clausen
mightym...@gmail.com
Richard Clayton
> > "Dan Luke" <c17...@dingdongsouth.net> wrote:
> >> "John Harshman" wrote:
>
> >>> Oh, and who could forget bimms?
>
> >> Good grief--we forgot Zoe!
>
> > Don't you dare put Zoe in the same league with those loons! I think
> > she's brilliant in her own weird way.
>
> I don't think Zoe is brilliant. I think she's a reasonably intelligent
> person who is trying to prop up a failed worldview as best she can. I
> don't find that an admirable trait, nor a sign of brilliance. By the
> same token, she is not a net-loon. She's just a person who can't overcome
> her preconceptions.
I almost said something similar... Zoe's always seemed a little too
kind, courteous, and reasonable for me to be comfortable calling her
"loon." But on the other hand, she's a person who simply can't
reconcile her own mental universe with reality, and it occurred to me
that's almost the *definition* of insanity. It may be a small and
quiet sort of crazy, but it's crazy nonetheless.
Robert Weldon
> their enemies.
>
> Since alphabetical order is not seen I must conlcude that I am the
> current head loon.
>
> is the greatest evidence of my antithetic status. The approval of
> persons who believe what I just mentioned would have surely made me a
> loon.
>
> In addition, since all atheists believe in ToE the disapproval of
> reverse Fundamentalists warms my soul - thanks....thank you Mark Isaak
> and Wesley Ellsberry.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hey Ray, you already have the position, there is no need to campaign
for it.
Robert Weldon
>
> - Show quoted text -
He is not a loon, he is a lying asshole.
Augray
in <8l0q13logo206ko0u...@4ax.com> :
I'd suggest that the absence of bad poetry is a dead giveaway.
John McKendry
Certainly enough to convince me. But for the radical doubters,
Lin Liangtai posts from Taiwan:
Date: 5 Apr 2007 09:16:01 -0700
From: "Lin Liangtai" <lin4...@yahoo.com.tw>
Injection-Info: p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com;
posting-host=124.8.70.123;
X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 124.8.70.123
[jfm@maxwell jfm]# dig -x 124.8.70.123
;; Got answer:
;; ANSWER SECTION:
123.70.8.124.in-addr.arpa. 77177 IN PTR 124-8-70-123.dynamic.tfn.net.tw.
[jfm@maxwell jfm]# whois tfn.net.tw
[Querying whois.twnic.net]
[whois.twnic.net]
Domain Name: tfn.net.tw
Registrant:
Taiwan Fixed Network Co.,Ltd.
7Fl., NO. 496, Ruei-Guang Rd., Taipei 114, Taiwan
Ed, as we all know, lives in Pennsylvania. I don't have any recent Ed
headers to compare with, but Ed wouldn't go to that kind of trouble
to create a sockpuppet. He may be a wacko, but he's not devious.
And I kind of liked the poetry, sometimes.
John
Richard Clayton
> On 11 Apr 2007 07:22:48 -0700, "Richard Clayton"
>
> >On Apr 10, 10:08 pm, "Dan Luke" <c17...@dingdongsouth.net> wrote:
> >> "Cemtech" wrote:
>
> >> > How could you forget Ed Conrad?! Er Lin Linwhatever.
>
> >> > That man is up there with the classic usenet kooks.
>
> >> There is no longer any doubt that Lin-whatsis is in fact Eddo himself?
>
> >> Whatever, he joins the flock.
>
> >I'm pretty sure he's not, actually.
>
> Oh? Care to share your reasoning?
To the best of my knowledge, they have never posted from similar IP
addresses. (The first thing I do when I suspect sock puppetry is
compare IPs.)
Besides, Ed's an egomaniac. He loves to paint his name and URL all
over each one of his posts. Pretending to be somebody else just
doesn't seem to be his style.
Dan Luke
"Richard Clayton" wrote:
>>
>> Whatever happened to Big Discusser?
>
> Her old web page is defunct. I can believe she actually was who she
> claimed to be (her grandson's use of her account notwithstanding), so
> she may have passed away. A little respect might be in order...
I miss her; a shame if she's passed on.
As to respect, it wasn't one of her strong suits. Remember her deathbed
conversion attempts on helpless patients?
Dan Luke
"Harry K" wrote:
>
> Do you ever retire anyone? Boatwright comes to mind.
>
Old loons never retire. They live forever in the archives.
Bob Casanova
in talk.origins, posted by Dale Kelly
<dale....@comcast.net>:
>On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:50:07 -0500, Dan Luke wrote:
>
>> Dale Kelly
>
>do you ever think about what we thinkk of you?
We know what you think of anyone who disagrees with you;
it's the same thing you think of any evidence which
contradicts your opinions.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Bob Casanova
talk.origins, posted by "Ray Martinez"
<pyram...@yahoo.com>:
<snip>
>Ray Martinez, Protestant Evangelical Paulinist, Old Earth/young-Nature
>Creationist.
You seem to have left out "Habitual Liar"; HTH.
So where's the Famous Paper? Did you have to sacrifice it
when the last page of the Sears catalog dropped down the
hole?
Bob Casanova
talk.origins, posted by "Robert Weldon" <rwe...@jrp.ca>:
>On Apr 11, 10:45 am, "Jim" <jimwille...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 10, 7:50 pm, "Dan Luke" <c17...@dingdongsouth.net> wrote:
>> > has disturbed migration patterns; some of them my still be in route):
>>
>> > Recent sightings:
>>
>> > Ray Martinez
>> > nando
>> > McClueless
>> > Wall Of Sleep
>> > Old Man Joe
>> > Apobetics
>> > Seek Divine
>> > Pagano
>> > Angel - Inner Quest
>> > paratope
>> > Dale Kelly
>>
>> > Not seen on the pond lately:
>>
>> > Gerard
>> > David Ford
>> > NashtOn
>> > Giwer
>> > Ken Seto
>> > Pastor Dave
>> > Uncle Davey
>>
>> > Reports from the field welcome; taxonomic quibbles considered.
>> I've been lurking here for years, and it seems to me that recently
>> more of the local loons (Apobetics and Old Man Joe certainly, maybe
>> others) have begun making posts that start to sound like they are
>> working up to declaring literal jihad on both rationality and those
>> who practice it. It may be just me, but Apobetics' stuff, read at
>> face value, seems almost Goeringesque - Old Man Joe seems to me to be
>> working up to saying it is God's will that atheist evolutionists die
>> by the sword. I mean, folks like Skywise (aka Church of the Painful
>> Truth et al.) were nasty and malicious, but did not appear to me to be
>> engaged in dehumanizing their opponents to the same extent. Is it
>> just bad memory on my part, or is the lunatic fringe a little more
>> extreme recently?
>>
>> Oh, and don't forget Jason Gastrich...
>He is not a loon, he is a lying asshole.
The perhaps Ray, Tony, Nashie and Giwer should also be
removed.
bi...@juno.com
> I could not be anymore pleased to have my name at the top of the list.
> Since alphabetical order is not seen I must conlcude that I am the
> current head loon.
Doggone it, Ray. How come you get to be at the top of the Loon
hierarchy?
I was sort of gunning for that job. I demand a recount!
But how mortifying, they did not even have me on the original list.
Luckily, Harshman put in a kind word for me.
>
> Since Darwinists brown nose a naked emperor and actually believe apes
> morphed into men and actually believe in common ancestry - head loon
> is the greatest evidence of my antithetic status. The approval of
> persons who believe what I just mentioned would have surely made me a
> loon.
What sort of bird call do loons make? I'm gonna have to practice my
loon calls, if I'm lucky maybe I will get a little higher on the list
next time.
>
> Ray Martinez, Protestant Evangelical Paulinist, Old Earth/young-Nature
> Creationist.
By Paulinist, are you referring to St. Paul the Apostle?
Cemtech
rich.e....@gmail.com says...
True it's possible. But the conviction of lunacy, quite a resemblence.
Maybe Ed has resorted to hacking into an open system, and turning it
into a Usenet bot? =)
--
Steve "Chris" Price
Associate Professor of Computational Aesthetics
Amish Chair of Electrical Engineering
University of Ediacara "A fine tradition since 530,000,000 BC"
Frank J
> It's that time again (ok, I'm a month or so late, but global climate change
>
> Recent sightings:
>
> Ray Martinez
> nando
> McClueless
> Wall Of Sleep
> Old Man Joe
> Apobetics
> Seek Divine
> Pagano
> Angel - Inner Quest
> paratope
> Dale Kelly
>
> Not seen on the pond lately:
>
> Gerard
> David Ford
> NashtOn
> Giwer
> Ken Seto
> Pastor Dave
> Uncle Davey
>
> Reports from the field welcome; taxonomic quibbles considered.
>
> Dan
>
> "How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
> - Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Goin' way back...
Average Joe
Roadrunner
Nowhere Man
Frank J
> "John Harshman" wrote:
>
> > Oh, and who could forget bimms?
>
> Good grief--we forgot Zoe!
Which one? The old-earther desperately trying to shoot down isochron
dating even though it undermines her position, the "don't ask, don't
tell" IDer, or the recent one (I forget the schtick, but it was some
3rd approach)?
Frank J
> "Cheezits" wrote:
> >> Good grief--we forgot Zoe!
>
> > Don't you dare put Zoe in the same league with those loons! I think
> > but at least you can carry on a semi-reasonable conversation with him.
> > You gotta give these people a little credit for putting some effort into
> > their postings, unlike the spew-bots.
>
> Well, there are benign and malignant loons. Some, like Zoe, at least seem
> to be people you could chat comfortably with face to face. Ray or Jabs, on
> the other hand...
>
> A mean-spirited disposition is not a requirement for loon-dom. I enjoy the
> Zoe threads; I'd hate for her to disappear, but her near-paranoia about
> science puts her among the gaviae, nonetheless. As Harshman put it, she is
> suspicious to the point of debility.
>
> That reminds me: I forgot Sean Pitman.
Who seems to be "evolving."
Seeing some of these names jogs my memory. I haven't seen anyone
mention Charlie Wagner, who I think is frequenting the Panda's Thumb
under a diffrerent name.
Frank J
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Apologies if it has been mentioned, but he can be found at alt.fan.ed-
conrad
John Wilkins
> On Apr 11, 1:38 pm, j.wilki...@uq.edu.au (John Wilkins) wrote:
> > <richardalanforr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > On Apr 11, 4:22 am, Dale Kelly <dale.ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:50:07 -0500, Dan Luke wrote:
> > > > > Dale Kelly
> >
> > > > do you ever think about what we thinkk of you?
> >
> > > > --
> > > > Dalehttp://www.vedantasite.org
> >
> > > Well, Ray thinks that I'm an atheist.
> > > George Evans thinks that I'm a liar and a coward.
> > > Nando thinks that I'm a racist, a Nazi, a liar and that I condone
> > > genocide.
> >
> > > I think I'm opposed to dishonesty, and have never made any post which
> > > would support these views.
> >
> > > What do you think?
> >
> > I think you're a True Scotsman...
> > --
>
> You should see what I'm hiding in my sporan....or perhaps not....
>
Could I tell it apart from haggis?
And is anything worn beneath the kilt?
--
Frank J
> On Apr 10, 4:50 pm, "Dan Luke" <c17...@dingdongsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > It's that time again (ok, I'm a month or so late, but global climate change
> > has disturbed migration patterns; some of them my still be in route):
>
> > Recent sightings:
>
> > Ray Martinez
> > nando
> > McClueless
> > Wall Of Sleep
> > Old Man Joe
> > Apobetics
> > Seek Divine
> > Pagano
> > Angel - Inner Quest
> > paratope
> > Dale Kelly
>
> > Not seen on the pond lately:
>
> > Gerard
> > David Ford
> > NashtOn
> > Giwer
> > Ken Seto
> > Pastor Dave
> > Uncle Davey
>
> > Reports from the field welcome; taxonomic quibbles considered.
>
> > Dan
>
> > "How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
> > - Chief Inspector Dreyfus
>
> their enemies.
Well this "Darwinist" has enemies like Osama bin Laden (alive I think)
and Saddam Hussein (dead, thak God). As for anti-evolution activists,
I just pray for you.
>
> I could not be anymore pleased to have my name at the top of the list.
> Since alphabetical order is not seen I must conlcude that I am the
> current head loon.
Rats. One more reason that we can't expect your paper any time soon.
>
> Since Darwinists brown nose a naked emperor
You mean Lamarck, right?
> and actually believe apes
> morphed
Morphed? Izzat what evolution says? Ya mean I've been wrong for 40
years?
> into men and actually believe in common ancestry - head loon
> is the greatest evidence of my antithetic status.
If it makes you feel good, the head loons in my book actually accept
common descent. You know, the "freaks" at the DI.
>The approval of
> persons who believe what I just mentioned would have surely made me a
> loon.
>
> In addition, since all atheists believe in ToE the disapproval of
> reverse Fundamentalists warms my soul - thanks....thank you Mark Isaak
> and Wesley Ellsberry.
>
> Ray Martinez, Protestant Evangelical Paulinist, Old Earth/young-Nature
> Creationist.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Old Earth / Young Nature???? What does that mean exactly? And what
happened to the middlle age Earth (I forget the # but it was well
between YEC and OEC claims)?
Cheezits
[etc.]
> Well, there are benign and malignant loons.
Youze guys have essentially labelled every creationist as a loon. The word
doesn't mean very much when you use it that way. Seems to me that only the
really crazy types deserve such recognition.
Sue
--
Sanity is highly overrated. - someone on phl.singles
Ray Martinez
> > I could not be anymore pleased to have my name at the top of the list.
> > Since alphabetical order is not seen I must conlcude that I am the
> > current head loon.
>
> Doggone it, Ray. How come you get to be at the top of the Loon
> hierarchy?
>
Cream is known to rise to the top.
> I was sort of gunning for that job. I demand a recount!
>
> But how mortifying, they did not even have me on the original list.
> Luckily, Harshman put in a kind word for me.
>
Since John has a Ph.D. you are a world-class loon.
>
>
> > Since Darwinists brown nose a naked emperor and actually believe apes
> > morphed into men and actually believe in common ancestry - head loon
> > is the greatest evidence of my antithetic status. The approval of
> > persons who believe what I just mentioned would have surely made me a
> > loon.
>
> What sort of bird call do loons make? I'm gonna have to practice my
> loon calls, if I'm lucky maybe I will get a little higher on the list
> next time.
>
Loons are known to howl like monkeys and fling excrement at strangers
who are threatening them with facts. You and I are the strangers.
>
>
> > Ray Martinez, Protestant Evangelical Paulinist, Old Earth/young-Nature
> > Creationist.
>
> By Paulinist, are you referring to St. Paul the Apostle?
Of course.
Ray
Shane
His stuff is being posted--with site link included--by paratope or
similar wordings. He has not responded to queries if he is actually
CW.
Shane
> On Apr 11, 4:19 pm, b...@juno.com wrote:
>>> I could not be anymore pleased to have my name at the top of the list.
>>> Since alphabetical order is not seen I must conlcude that I am the
>>> current head loon.
>>
>> Doggone it, Ray. How come you get to be at the top of the Loon
>> hierarchy?
>>
>
> Cream is known to rise to the top.
So has other stuff.
>
>> I was sort of gunning for that job. I demand a recount!
>>
>> But how mortifying, they did not even have me on the original list.
>> Luckily, Harshman put in a kind word for me.
>>
>
> Since John has a Ph.D. you are a world-class loon.
And Ray has not, so you can discount pretty much everything Ray says.
Ray is very impressed by Ph.D's yet lacks one himself, and still wants
people to accept his rather unique take on things. But please don't
accuse Ray of hypocrisy, because in his case he doesn't need a Ph.D,
it's only everyone else that does to speak authoritatively on science.
>>> Since Darwinists brown nose a naked emperor and actually believe apes
>>> morphed into men and actually believe in common ancestry - head loon
>>> is the greatest evidence of my antithetic status. The approval of
>>> persons who believe what I just mentioned would have surely made me a
>>> loon.
>>
>> What sort of bird call do loons make? I'm gonna have to practice my
>> loon calls, if I'm lucky maybe I will get a little higher on the list
>> next time.
>>
>
> Loons are known to howl like monkeys and fling excrement at strangers
> who are threatening them with facts. You and I are the strangers.
But still lack the facts, so are in no danger.
>>> Ray Martinez, Protestant Evangelical Paulinist, Old Earth/young-Nature
>>> Creationist.
>>
>> By Paulinist, are you referring to St. Paul the Apostle?
>
> Of course.
Note how he couldn't tell by Rays posts. How telling is that?
Note to Bimms; a perusal of Ray's theology may get you to think twice
about toppling him from the top spot. But not wanting to get accused
of mis-represnting said very liquid theology, I will leave it to you
to find out just who you are so envious of.
Ray Martinez
> I just pray for you.
>
Insult.
Since you are a anti-creationist I do not feel insulted.
>
>
> > I could not be anymore pleased to have my name at the top of the list.
> > Since alphabetical order is not seen I must conlcude that I am the
> > current head loon.
>
> Rats. One more reason that we can't expect your paper any time soon.
>
Frank: my paper is still being written, it will be posted ASAP. I
assure you that I can and will prove the veracity of Creationism
scientifically and disprove the scientific veracity of evolution. What
I wouldn't give to see Harshman's face the very moment he ascertains
my scientific evidence and arguments, that is, the very moment he
realizes that his doctorate in evolutionary biology is worthless.
At least I am not guilty of false humility.
>
>
> > Since Darwinists brown nose a naked emperor
>
> You mean Lamarck, right?
>
I mean the allegory that corresponds to reality - go to Pitman's site
and read it.
> > and actually believe apes
> > morphed
>
> Morphed? Izzat what evolution says? Ya mean I've been wrong for 40
> years?
>
Darwinists believe apes morphed into men over millions of years. My
description is accurate and exposes the absurdity of what you guys
believe.
> > into men and actually believe in common ancestry - head loon
> > is the greatest evidence of my antithetic status.
>
> If it makes you feel good, the head loons in my book actually accept
> common descent. You know, the "freaks" at the DI.
>
What book?
But I understand that they are the "head loons" in your view. But over
here at T.O. I AM head loon - Dan Luke said it, many concurred, and
that settles it.
> >The approval of
> > persons who believe what I just mentioned would have surely made me a
> > loon.
>
> > In addition, since all atheists believe in ToE the disapproval of
> > reverse Fundamentalists warms my soul - thanks....thank you Mark Isaak
> > and Wesley Ellsberry.
>
> > Ray Martinez, Protestant Evangelical Paulinist, Old Earth/young-Nature
> > Creationist.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Old Earth / Young Nature???? What does that mean exactly? And what
> happened to the middlle age Earth (I forget the # but it was well
> between YEC and OEC claims)?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
The Bible and Science corroborate one another: the Earth is old. BUT,
since a Flood destroyed nature about 5000 years ago, the same as we
know it today, is young. Prior to this catastrophe, other catastrophes
have hit the Earth disconnecting nature from how it existed in
deep[er] time.
Old Earth/Young Nature insulates one from any problems that the
dinosaurs might cause or the absurdity of having any of them on an
already crowded Ark.
Ray
Dana Tweedy
"Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1176343050.2...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
snip
>>
>> Rats. One more reason that we can't expect your paper any time soon.
>>
>
> Frank: my paper is still being written, it will be posted ASAP.
ASAP apparenlty means "when Hell freezes over".
> I
> assure you that I can and will prove the veracity of Creationism
> scientifically
You have never shown any sign of being capable of doing that.
> and disprove the scientific veracity of evolution.
Again, you don't show any sign of being capable of doing that, or even
understanding what the theory entails.
> What
> I wouldn't give to see Harshman's face the very moment he ascertains
> my scientific evidence and arguments,
John, and the rest of us have seen your "scientific evidence and arguments".
John has nothing to be concerned about.
> that is, the very moment he
> realizes that his doctorate in evolutionary biology is worthless.
Again, this seems to be in the time frame of the infernal regions suffering
a cold snap....
>
> At least I am not guilty of false humility.
Delusional pride, however is another matter.
>>
>> > Since Darwinists brown nose a naked emperor
>>
>> You mean Lamarck, right?
>>
>
> I mean the allegory that corresponds to reality - go to Pitman's site
> and read it.
Why do you imagine that "Darwinists" are "brown nosing" Sean Pitman?
>
>
>> > and actually believe apes
>> > morphed
>>
>> Morphed? Izzat what evolution says? Ya mean I've been wrong for 40
>> years?
>>
>
> Darwinists believe apes morphed into men over millions of years.
Actually, Ray, humans are apes. Saying that "apes morphed into men" is like
saying "dogs morphed into poodles".
> My
> description is accurate and exposes the absurdity of what you guys
> believe.
Your "description" is like your logic... badly flawed. What is absurd
about accepting what the evidence indicates? Why would apes changing into
another species of apes be absurd?
>
>> > into men and actually believe in common ancestry - head loon
>> > is the greatest evidence of my antithetic status.
>>
>> If it makes you feel good, the head loons in my book actually accept
>> common descent. You know, the "freaks" at the DI.
>>
>
> What book?
"In my book" is a figure of speech.
>
> But I understand that they are the "head loons" in your view. But over
> here at T.O. I AM head loon - Dan Luke said it, many concurred, and
> that settles it.
Yes, many people, including "IDers" consider you to be a loon.
snip
>>
>> Old Earth / Young Nature???? What does that mean exactly? And what
>> happened to the middlle age Earth (I forget the # but it was well
>> between YEC and OEC claims)?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>
> The Bible and Science corroborate one another: the Earth is old.
4.5 billion years old.
> BUT,
> since a Flood destroyed nature about 5000 years ago, the same as we
> know it today, is young.
Why is there no evidence of such a flood? If there was a global flood 5000
years ago, we'd expect to find some physical evidence of such a flood.
Where is it? Also, how did this flood "destroy nature"? A flood may
disrupt a ecosystem, but it could not "destroy nature".
> Prior to this catastrophe, other catastrophes
> have hit the Earth disconnecting nature from how it existed in
> deep[er] time.
What is your evidence for this assertion? While there is plenty of
evidence of past catastropies, there is nothing to indicate that they
"disconnected nature".
>
> Old Earth/Young Nature insulates one from any problems that the
> dinosaurs might cause
Dinosaurs still exist. They are called "birds".
> or the absurdity of having any of them on an
> already crowded Ark.
The entire Ark story is absurd, even without having to make room for the non
avian Dinosaurs.
DJT
Cemtech
redd...@comcast.net says...
>
> "Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1176343050.2...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> snip
>
>
> >>
> >> Rats. One more reason that we can't expect your paper any time soon.
> >>
> >
> > Frank: my paper is still being written, it will be posted ASAP.
>
> ASAP apparenlty means "when Hell freezes over".
When did he say started writing it? About some months ago or is he on
years? I've been away for some years, I think prior to Ray making him a
fool of himself here.
--
=========================================
"Hell even my spellchecker knows. Everytime it finds
'creationism' it recommends 'cretinism'! - Steve Price
Cemtech
pyram...@yahoo.com says...
> The Bible and Science corroborate one another: the Earth is old. BUT,
> since a Flood destroyed nature about 5000 years ago,
Evidence?
How did fresh water fish survive?
--
Creationist Math:
Solve x^2 + 2x - 15 = 0
A miracle happens!
X = 1
Creationist Trig: Draw curve then plot points
Ray Martinez
>
> - Show quoted text -
Frank: my paper is still being written. It will be worth the wait.
The Bible and Science agree - the Earth is old. BUT, since there was a
Flood about 5000 years ago that destroyed Nature - the same as we know
it today is young. Previous to this catastrophe there were other
catastrophes that separated nature prior to Adam from nature and how
it appeared in deep[er] time(s).
Old-Earth/Young-Nature also insulates one from any problems that the
dinosaurs might cause or the absurdity of having any of these animals
on an already crowded Ark.
Ray
Richard Clayton
[big snip]
> Frank: my paper is still being written, it will be posted ASAP. I
> assure you that I can and will prove the veracity of Creationism
> scientifically and disprove the scientific veracity of evolution. What
> I wouldn't give to see Harshman's face the very moment he ascertains
> my scientific evidence and arguments, that is, the very moment he
> realizes that his doctorate in evolutionary biology is worthless.
>
> At least I am not guilty of false humility.
Or the real kind either.
[more snippy]
--
[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Richard Clayton
"Remember, always be yourself. Unless you suck." — Joss Whedon
Richard Clayton
Be careful, my good man; I'm pretty sure you don't want to get in bed
with Ray, theologically speaking. He thinks that God deliberately
included heresy in the Bible, and that the Sermon on the Mount doesn't
apply to Christians. He's also conflated Gene Scott with God several times.
Incidentally, I'd still like to know your school location and year when
you claim they banned Bibles and prayer.
Richard Clayton
> In article <UeednXXbYMW1CoDb...@comcast.com>,
> redd...@comcast.net says...
>> "Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1176343050.2...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> snip
>>
>>
>>>> Rats. One more reason that we can't expect your paper any time soon.
>>>>
>>> Frank: my paper is still being written, it will be posted ASAP.
>> ASAP apparenlty means "when Hell freezes over".
>
> When did he say started writing it? About some months ago or is he on
> years? I've been away for some years, I think prior to Ray making him a
> fool of himself here.
Years. Ray's been promising his paper on talk.origins for over two
years now, and longer than that in other venues.
Richard Clayton
> "Harry K" wrote:
>
>> Do you ever retire anyone? Boatwright comes to mind.
>
> Old loons never retire. They live forever in the archives.
Except when the Mysterious Post Deleter strikes!
Richard Clayton
> "Richard Clayton" wrote:
>
>>> Whatever happened to Big Discusser?
>> Her old web page is defunct. I can believe she actually was who she
>> claimed to be (her grandson's use of her account notwithstanding), so
>> she may have passed away. A little respect might be in order...
>
> I miss her; a shame if she's passed on.
>
> As to respect, it wasn't one of her strong suits. Remember her deathbed
> conversion attempts on helpless patients?
Certainly, and I think such behavior is abominable. But basic human
decency demands we treat her death with respect and courtesy, even if
she didn't do the same for others. Besides, she probably felt she was
doing a favor for those people. It's still misguided, but in a way, I
find it harder to condemn. Road to Hell paved with good intentions and
all that...
Krubozumo Nyankoye
emotion intoned: news:Xns990FDA2AAACAAch...@199.45.49.11:
> "Dan Luke" <c17...@dingdongsouth.net> wrote:
> [etc.]
>> Well, there are benign and malignant loons.
>
> Youze guys have essentially labelled every creationist as a loon. The
> word doesn't mean very much when you use it that way. Seems to me
> that only the really crazy types deserve such recognition.
>
> Sue
I think cuckoos might be a more apt characterization.
Can we add the long vanished "Richard Dawkins"?
--
Here we may reign secure, and in my choyce
To reign is worth ambition though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heav'n.
SeppoP
> On Apr 11, 4:19 pm, b...@juno.com wrote:
>>> I could not be anymore pleased to have my name at the top of the list.
>>> Since alphabetical order is not seen I must conlcude that I am the
>>> current head loon.
>> Doggone it, Ray. How come you get to be at the top of the Loon
>> hierarchy?
>>
>
> Cream is known to rise to the top.
>
Turds are known to float as well...
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Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
richardal...@googlemail.com
> <richardalanforr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > On Apr 11, 1:38 pm, j.wilki...@uq.edu.au (John Wilkins) wrote:
> > > <richardalanforr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Apr 11, 4:22 am, Dale Kelly <dale.ke...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:50:07 -0500, Dan Luke wrote:
> > > > > > Dale Kelly
>
> > > > > do you ever think about what we thinkk of you?
>
> > > > > --
> > > > > Dalehttp://www.vedantasite.org
>
> > > > Well, Ray thinks that I'm an atheist.
> > > > George Evans thinks that I'm a liar and a coward.
> > > > Nando thinks that I'm a racist, a Nazi, a liar and that I condone
> > > > genocide.
>
> > > > I think I'm opposed to dishonesty, and have never made any post which
> > > > would support these views.
>
> > > > What do you think?
>
> > > I think you're a True Scotsman...
> > > --
>
> > You should see what I'm hiding in my sporan....or perhaps not....
>
> Could I tell it apart from haggis?
>
> And is anything worn beneath the kilt?
(pause for drum roll)
No, it's all in excellent condition!
RF
Wombat
> "Shane" <remarcsdNOS...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> > Glenn Sheldon
>
> Ah, yes: Sheldon.
>
> Readers may recall that Glenn, while technically a weasel, was granted
> honorary loon status last year by acclamation.
>
Technically?
Wombat
Wombat
> On Apr 11, 3:20 am, "Wombat" <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>
> Her old web page is defunct. I can believe she actually was who she
> claimed to be (her grandson's use of her account notwithstanding), so
How can a simple question be disrespectful? Some people get to 90 or
100.
Wombat
Robert Weldon
And yet, strangely enough, the civilizations around at the time of the
supposed flood didn't notice, how do you explain that? And how do you
destroy nature anyway?
>
> Old-Earth/Young-Nature also insulates one from any problems that the
> dinosaurs might cause or the absurdity of having any of these animals
> on an already crowded Ark.
>
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How about the problem of the absurdity of the Ark in the first place?
Robert Weldon
> On 11 Apr 2007 11:36:27 -0700, the following appeared in
> talk.origins, posted by "Robert Weldon" <rwel...@jrp.ca>:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Apr 11, 10:45 am, "Jim" <jimwille...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Apr 10, 7:50 pm, "Dan Luke" <c17...@dingdongsouth.net> wrote:
> >> > has disturbed migration patterns; some of them my still be in route):
>
> >> > Recent sightings:
>
> >> > Ray Martinez
> >> > nando
> >> > McClueless
> >> > Wall Of Sleep
> >> > Old Man Joe
> >> > Apobetics
> >> > Seek Divine
> >> > Pagano
> >> > Angel - Inner Quest
> >> > paratope
> >> > Dale Kelly
>
> >> > Not seen on the pond lately:
>
> >> > Gerard
> >> > David Ford
> >> > NashtOn
> >> > Giwer
> >> > Ken Seto
> >> > Pastor Dave
> >> > Uncle Davey
>
> >> > Reports from the field welcome; taxonomic quibbles considered.
> >> more of the local loons (Apobetics and Old Man Joe certainly, maybe
> >> others) have begun making posts that start to sound like they are
> >> working up to declaring literal jihad on both rationality and those
> >> who practice it. It may be just me, but Apobetics' stuff, read at
> >> face value, seems almost Goeringesque - Old Man Joe seems to me to be
> >> working up to saying it is God's will that atheist evolutionists die
> >> by the sword. I mean, folks like Skywise (aka Church of the Painful
> >> Truth et al.) were nasty and malicious, but did not appear to me to be
> >> engaged in dehumanizing their opponents to the same extent. Is it
> >> just bad memory on my part, or is the lunatic fringe a little more
> >> extreme recently?
>
> >> Oh, and don't forget Jason Gastrich...
> >He is not a loon, he is a lying asshole.
>
> The perhaps Ray, Tony, Nashie and Giwer should also be
> removed.
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> "Evidence confirming an observation is
> evidence that the observation is wrong."
> - McNameless- Hide quoted text -
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Nashie and Giwer yes, Tony I am undecided, Ray definitely not, he is a
certified, grade A genuine Loon. The fact that he is also a lying
asshole is s separate issue.
Inez
> "Dan Luke" <c17...@dingdongsouth.net> wrote:
>
> [etc.]
>
> > Well, there are benign and malignant loons.
>
> Youze guys have essentially labelled every creationist as a loon. The word
> doesn't mean very much when you use it that way. Seems to me that only the
> really crazy types deserve such recognition.
>
> Sue
I agree with Sue. Nando is legitimately crazy (for example), and Dale
Kelly is most likely drug-addled, but people such as Wallofsleep and
Sean Pitman and Zoe seem quite sane, even though I disagree with
them.
Walter Bushell
richardal...@googlemail.com wrote:
I once made the statement "Never ask a Scotman what's under the kilt."
And he said "Thermal underware."
Inez
> > Since alphabetical order is not seen I must conlcude that I am the
> > current head loon.
>
> hierarchy?
>
> I was sort of gunning for that job. I demand a recount!
I'm not sure I can vote for you unless you give a good campaign
speech. Ray believes in eels migrating to the site of sunken
Atlantis, you just seem to be an rarish form of Christian.
Ye Old One
enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>On Apr 11, 4:19 pm, b...@juno.com wrote:
>> > I could not be anymore pleased to have my name at the top of the list.
>> > Since alphabetical order is not seen I must conlcude that I am the
>> > current head loon.
>>
>> Doggone it, Ray. How come you get to be at the top of the Loon
>> hierarchy?
>>
>
>Cream is known to rise to the top.
Shit often floats as well..
--
Bob.
AC
Perhaps net-loon has lost its power as a word. Back in the olden days of
Usenet (well, I joined in the early 90s, so that's the Middle Ages I suppose)
that status was reserved for the most notorious cranks like Ted Holden, Ed
Conrad and Archimedes Plutonium; clearly disturbed monomaniacal individuals
whose claims were so incredibly out there that they occupied a higher plain
of madness. If you start including morons like Ray Martinez or the confused
like Pitman and Zoe, then the word loses all sense.
Let's put it this way. Never have I seen any evidence that Pitman or Zoe
are lunatics. Their worldview is clearly out of sync with reality, but
you could probably say that of a very large part of the population of this
planet. Net loons and kooks are, so far as I'm concerned, people who
exhibit psychological problems of one form or another.
One marginal individual is John McCoy. It's hard to see that anyone as
dishonest as he is couldn't be considered to have some sorts of issues,
but at the same time, he falls more into the lying confused moron
category.
--
Aaron Clausen
mightym...@gmail.com
Ye Old One
enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>On Apr 11, 6:24 pm, "Frank J" <f...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On Apr 10, 10:27 pm, "Ray Martinez" <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 10, 4:50 pm, "Dan Luke" <c17...@dingdongsouth.net> wrote:
>> Rats. One more reason that we can't expect your paper any time soon.
>>
>
>Frank: my paper is still being written,
Then why are you posting here?
>it will be posted ASAP. I
>assure you that I can and will prove the veracity of Creationism
>scientifically
Creationism is not scientific.
>and disprove the scientific veracity of evolution. What
>I wouldn't give to see Harshman's face the very moment he ascertains
>my scientific evidence and arguments,
Yes, most of us will have the same face - the sort you get when you
are laughing your socks off.
> that is, the very moment he
>realizes that his doctorate in evolutionary biology is worthless.
>
>At least I am not guilty of false humility.
You are, however, guilty of being very dishonest.
>
>
>>
>>
>> > Since Darwinists brown nose a naked emperor
>>
>> You mean Lamarck, right?
>>
>
>I mean the allegory that corresponds to reality - go to Pitman's site
>and read it.
>
>
>> > and actually believe apes
>> > morphed
>>
>> Morphed? Izzat what evolution says? Ya mean I've been wrong for 40
>> years?
>>
>
>Darwinists believe apes morphed into men over millions of years.
Why do you keep lying Dishonest Ray?
You know that no person who believes in evolution believes men
"morphed" from apes - we ARE apes.
> My
>description is accurate
No it isn't. It is a bare faced lie.
> and exposes the absurdity of what you guys
>believe.
>
>> > into men and actually believe in common ancestry - head loon
>> > is the greatest evidence of my antithetic status.
>>
>> If it makes you feel good, the head loons in my book actually accept
>> common descent. You know, the "freaks" at the DI.
>>
>
>What book?
>
>But I understand that they are the "head loons" in your view. But over
>here at T.O. I AM head loon - Dan Luke said it, many concurred, and
>that settles it.
You certainly are the most dishonest person on the group.
>
>
>
>> >The approval of
>> > persons who believe what I just mentioned would have surely made me a
>> > loon.
>>
>> > In addition, since all atheists believe in ToE the disapproval of
>> > reverse Fundamentalists warms my soul - thanks....thank you Mark Isaak
>> > and Wesley Ellsberry.
>>
>> > Ray Martinez, Protestant Evangelical Paulinist, Old Earth/young-Nature
>> > Creationist.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> Old Earth / Young Nature???? What does that mean exactly? And what
>> happened to the middlle age Earth (I forget the # but it was well
>> between YEC and OEC claims)?- Hide quoted text -
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>> - Show quoted text -
>
>The Bible and Science corroborate one another:
Liar!
> the Earth is old. BUT,
>since a Flood destroyed nature about 5000 years ago,
There was no flood.
>the same as we
>know it today, is young. Prior to this catastrophe, other catastrophes
>have hit the Earth disconnecting nature from how it existed in
>deep[er] time.
>
>Old Earth/Young Nature insulates one from any problems that the
>dinosaurs might cause or the absurdity of having any of them on an
>already crowded Ark.
The absurdity always comes from you Dishonest Ray.
>
>Ray
--
Bob.
Ye Old One
<pockZIGe...@verizon.net> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>Dan Luke wrote:
>> "Harry K" wrote:
>>
>>> Do you ever retire anyone? Boatwright comes to mind.
>>
>> Old loons never retire. They live forever in the archives.
>
> Except when the Mysterious Post Deleter strikes!
One reason most of Dishonest Ray's posts get replied to. He may try to
kill posts but his words live on.
--
Bob.
Ye Old One
this group when s/he wrote:
>In article <UeednXXbYMW1CoDb...@comcast.com>,
>redd...@comcast.net says...
>>
>> "Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1176343050.2...@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> snip
>>
>>
>> >>
>> >> Rats. One more reason that we can't expect your paper any time soon.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Frank: my paper is still being written, it will be posted ASAP.
>>
>> ASAP apparenlty means "when Hell freezes over".
>
>When did he say started writing it? About some months ago or is he on
>years? I've been away for some years, I think prior to Ray making him a
>fool of himself here.
Years. He even too a "holiday" from T.O. last year, promising we would
not hear from him again until a week or so before his opus was ready
for release. He then invented a brother (sock puppet) who posted
saying he had read Ray's paper and it was fantastic. The replies to
that gave Ray the excuse to return to full posting flow. As a result I
gave him the title Dishonest Ray.
--
Bob.
Frank J
As you imply below, it can only "prove" *one brand* of creationism
(which now sounds more like "gap" OEC that "middle age"). I hope you
can sleep after disappointing all those YECs, as you will "disprove"
YEC every bit as much as you "disprove" evolution. Unless you decide
at the last minute to sell out to "don't ask, don't tell."
> What
> I wouldn't give to see Harshman's face the very moment he ascertains
> my scientific evidence and arguments, that is, the very moment he
> realizes that his doctorate in evolutionary biology is worthless.
I told you before. If you truly come up with a better theory, Harshman
will jump for joy, as it will open up whole new areas of research. You
really don't get how science goes, do you?
>
> At least I am not guilty of false humility.
>
>
>
> > > Since Darwinists brown nose a naked emperor
>
> > You mean Lamarck, right?
>
> I mean the allegory that corresponds to reality - go to Pitman's site
> and read it.
Pitman is spreading nonsense, and knows it.
>
> > > and actually believe apes
> > > morphed
>
> > Morphed? Izzat what evolution says? Ya mean I've been wrong for 40
> > years?
>
> Darwinists believe apes morphed into men over millions of years. My
> description is accurate and exposes the absurdity of what you guys
> believe.
Those of you who deny common descent think that molecules "morphed"
into men. In evolution, organisms don't "morph" species do.
>
> > > into men and actually believe in common ancestry - head loon
> > > is the greatest evidence of my antithetic status.
>
> > If it makes you feel good, the head loons in my book actually accept
> > common descent. You know, the "freaks" at the DI.
>
> What book?
It's an expression. What I mean is that those who admitted CD before
it became politically incorrect to do so are IMO the most dishonest.
>
> But I understand that they are the "head loons" in your view. But over
> here at T.O. I AM head loon - Dan Luke said it, many concurred, and
> that settles it.
We "Darwinists" (acually I'm a Kauffmaniac, but you know that) have no
problems publicly disagreeing with each other. You are not at the top
because you at least tepidly criticize other anti-evolutionists on
occasion.
>
>
>
>
>
> > >The approval of
> > > persons who believe what I just mentioned would have surely made me a
> > > loon.
>
> > > In addition, since all atheists believe in ToE the disapproval of
> > > reverse Fundamentalists warms my soul - thanks....thank you Mark Isaak
> > > and Wesley Ellsberry.
>
> > > Ray Martinez, Protestant Evangelical Paulinist, Old Earth/young-Nature
> > > Creationist.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Old Earth / Young Nature???? What does that mean exactly? And what
> > happened to the middlle age Earth (I forget the # but it was well
> > between YEC and OEC claims)?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The Bible and Science corroborate one another: the Earth is old. BUT,
> since a Flood destroyed nature about 5000 years ago, the same as we
> know it today, is young. Prior to this catastrophe, other catastrophes
> have hit the Earth disconnecting nature from how it existed in
> deep[er] time.
>
> Old Earth/Young Nature insulates one from any problems that the
> dinosaurs might cause or the absurdity of having any of them on an
> already crowded Ark.
>
> Ray- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -