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Thore "Tocis" Schmechtig

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Sep 10, 2005, 12:14:37 PM9/10/05
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Because (it's not like most of you didn't know already ;) ) it babbles
nothing but the same long-debunked shit day in, day out.

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Regards

Thore "Tocis" Schmechtig

Astonishment

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Sep 10, 2005, 1:13:46 PM9/10/05
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I say it's because he wants to sell a book. He put a book full of
gibberish, and is just copy/pasting here whatever he finds interesting
for his book.

And maybe he's 'I Don't Believe In Atheists' in disguise. Besides I
almost never see anyone with these wild theories getting any support.

They're all a bit like the nutcases who now claim that katrina was a
man-made storm. You have got to stupider than a ape to think that.

But what is it about these people and not realizing our brains are just
some neuro-connectors, etc. The whole point of a brain is you're not
always correct. And why do these people always argue from authority?
Why do these people think all those verses they cite as evidence
actually means anything? They can't even agree amongst themselves how
to interpret some of the important ones, like can you be a gay
christian?, etc.

If they can't agree how can they rely on their bible as evidence.
Apparantly it's not always correct, or at least one of the christian
groups got it wrong, which means we're perfectly entitled to denounce
both, since we cannot verify.

And the author from the bible got his information straight from god?
How does that work, how do they verify this statement on which the
possible truthfullness of everything lies? Seemingly they just move
beyond that point without caring.

Think the 'haarp' project tesla stuff . They just jabber on and on.
These people must be usenet trolls rights? I find it totally disturbing
to think of them as non-trolls. I just don't know anyone who had such a
hard time grasping on to a bit of logic and causality. And most of all
noone so pompous as to presume they're always right.

I'd love to meet one though, just to see if they're for real. I guess
I'm just intrigued in what strange ways their brains operate.

That reminds me, if someone would get severe brain-damage before he
died, would he arrive heaven 'smart' or as 'damaged' as he left earth.
And if someone arrives fully 'healed' wouldn't you be unable to
recognize family members in some cases. Think life-long mentally
handicapped children, do they enter heaven smarter to the point where
their parents wouldn't recognize them anymore? It seems whichever way
you go, it poses some 'problems' for logic. Not a problem for extremely
religious people.

** No offense to the milder religious people who believe their might be
a god, but most definately don't buy in all the crap that seems 180
degrees counter-intuitive to any logic**

Pfew some ranting from a new person here.

VoiceOfReason

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Sep 10, 2005, 1:22:23 PM9/10/05
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Thore "Tocis" Schmechtig wrote:
> Because (it's not like most of you didn't know already ;) ) it babbles
> nothing but the same long-debunked shit day in, day out.

Why is harunyahya an idiot? Well, it's a tough job, but somebody's got
to do it.

Dave

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Sep 10, 2005, 1:30:38 PM9/10/05
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Thore "Tocis" Schmechtig wrote:
> Because (it's not like most of you didn't know already ;) ) it babbles
> nothing but the same long-debunked shit day in, day out.


I think over in Turkey or Pakistan he has developed a following by
merely emulating the standard ICR/AIG rubbish and slightly adapting
this material for Muslims who want to believe in lame-brained
creationism.

Bobby D. Bryant

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Sep 10, 2005, 2:42:35 PM9/10/05
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Just think; if he stops one of us might have to do it.

--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas

Ray Martinez

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Sep 10, 2005, 3:02:10 PM9/10/05
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This is an atheist rant topic induced by the inability to refute Harun.

This is the Darwinian way: ad hom/poison the well = the refuge of the
defeated unable to refute.

Ray Martinez

r norman

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Sep 10, 2005, 3:11:20 PM9/10/05
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On 10 Sep 2005 12:02:10 -0700, "Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>This is an atheist rant topic induced by the inability to refute Harun.
>
>This is the Darwinian way: ad hom/poison the well = the refuge of the
>defeated unable to refute.


Boy, you sure can't put one over on you! You see right through all
our cunning little tricks!

ctm

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Sep 10, 2005, 3:18:31 PM9/10/05
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"Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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A Christian defending a Muslim.

Creationism makes strange bedfellowes.
>


ctm

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Sep 10, 2005, 3:19:24 PM9/10/05
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"Thore "Tocis" Schmechtig" <MAILTOc...@carcosa.de> wrote in message
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Haranhaha is an idiot because he's stupid.


Rick Merrill

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Sep 10, 2005, 5:51:20 PM9/10/05
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Thore "Tocis" Schmechtig wrote:

> Because (it's not like most of you didn't know already ;) ) it babbles
> nothing but the same long-debunked shit day in, day out.
>

Is it/he/she a robot?!? I've seen some that could do it.


Bob Casanova

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Sep 10, 2005, 6:16:43 PM9/10/05
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On 10 Sep 2005 12:02:10 -0700, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by "Ray Martinez"
<pyram...@yahoo.com>:

>This is an atheist rant topic induced by the inability to refute Harun.

You must enjoy willful blindness.

<snip>
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Bob C.

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evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

Brett Aubrey

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Sep 10, 2005, 6:22:00 PM9/10/05
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"Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Please! Harun gets refuted every step of the way, but never responds.

Brett Aubrey

Jeffrey Turner

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Sep 10, 2005, 6:39:32 PM9/10/05
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Thore "Tocis" Schmechtig wrote:

> Because (it's not like most of you didn't know already ;) ) it babbles
> nothing but the same long-debunked shit day in, day out.

God is fond of creating idiots, obviously.

--Jeff

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pronouncement of the Greek who said,
"War is an evil in as much as it produces
more wicked men than it takes away."
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Jeffrey Turner

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Sep 10, 2005, 6:41:04 PM9/10/05
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ctm wrote:

> "Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>This is an atheist rant topic induced by the inability to refute Harun.
>>
>>This is the Darwinian way: ad hom/poison the well = the refuge of the
>>defeated unable to refute.
>>
>>Ray Martinez
>
> A Christian defending a Muslim.
>
> Creationism makes strange bedfellowes.

Ahem! "That is because they are all using the same bunk."

Ross Langerak

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Sep 10, 2005, 8:22:06 PM9/10/05
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"Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> This is an atheist rant topic induced by the inability to refute Harun.

Once again, Ray, you are equating evolution with atheism. About 40% of the
US population accepts evolution on a purely natural basis, whereas only
about 10% of the population is atheist. You don't see the problem here?
This has been pointed out to you before, which leads me to believe that you,
along with many other creationists, are simply incapable of learning.

Harun Yahya's arguments have been refuted repeatedly in this newsgroup. He
has not responded. That leads me to believe that either he doesn't
understand the material, or he doesn't care. Now, if there is a subject
that you think has been neglected, let me know, I'd be glad to respond.

Harlequin

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Sep 10, 2005, 8:34:19 PM9/10/05
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"Thore \"Tocis\" Schmechtig" <MAILTOc...@carcosa.de> wrote in
news:dfv0pc$bp1$4...@online.de:

> Because (it's not like most of you didn't know already ;) ) it babbles
> nothing but the same long-debunked shit day in, day out.


It is The God's will that "harunyahya" is an idiot. ;-)


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-- Percival Lowell, _Mars as the Abode of Life_.
1908. pp. 153-154.

Dale

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Sep 10, 2005, 9:41:15 PM9/10/05
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"Thore "Tocis" Schmechtig" <MAILTOc...@carcosa.de> wrote in message
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> Because (it's not like most of you didn't know already ;) ) it babbles
> nothing but the same long-debunked shit day in, day out.

Do what you love and the money will follow.

Cyde Weys

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Sep 10, 2005, 10:05:41 PM9/10/05
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Ross Langerak wrote:
> About 40% of the
> US population accepts evolution on a purely natural basis, whereas only
> about 10% of the population is atheist.

Are you sure about that 10% number? If so, someone has definitely been
skimming heavily off the EAC membership dues.

Brett Aubrey

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Sep 10, 2005, 11:51:17 PM9/10/05
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"Cyde Weys" <cy...@umd.edu> wrote in message
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EAC... Exact Audio Copy? Election Assistance Commission? Editors'
Association of Canada? Eastern Arizona College? East African Community?
Education Assistance Corporation? European Atheists' Cooperative? ...

Ross Langerak

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Sep 11, 2005, 12:12:09 AM9/11/05
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"Cyde Weys" <cy...@umd.edu> wrote in message
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>
I've seen the results of a few surveys (I don't remember which ones) that
suggest the US is 5 to 10 percent atheist. About 40% of the population
accepts evolution without any divine interference, and if I remember
correctly, about 30% accepts some form of theistic evolution. However, this
isn't my field of expertice, so you should confirm any numbers you use for
yourself. I just read a lot.

Thore "Tocis" Schmechtig

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Sep 11, 2005, 12:29:38 AM9/11/05
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Ray Martinez wrote:

State where the refutations are wrong. After all, _if_ we are wrong that
should be child's play to you. But do _not_ post anything that has itself
been refuted unless you can state the reason for _that_ one being wrong, et
cetera ad nauseam.

Hic Rhodos. Hic salta.

Thore "Tocis" Schmechtig

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Sep 11, 2005, 12:27:56 AM9/11/05
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Dale wrote:

> Do what you love and the money will follow.

You know, every so often I think to myself "Why the fuck do I work my arse
off in an honest day job when all I have to do, obviously, is get just
enough money go fly over to the US... then write yet another book
containing all those idiotic lies about cretinism and IDiocy... and presto,
millions of bucks flood my bank account? Those who want to be cheated shall
get what they want, no?...

...but then, I remember the many many people in the US (those with still
working brains) I would kick in the groin doing that, and I think
"NO!"... ;)

Thore "Tocis" Schmechtig

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Sep 11, 2005, 12:30:50 AM9/11/05
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Brett Aubrey wrote:

> EAC... Exact Audio Copy? Election Assistance Commission? Editors'
> Association of Canada? Eastern Arizona College? East African Community?
> Education Assistance Corporation? European Atheists' Cooperative? ...

You silly ;)

Evil Atheist Conspiracy! :)

Thore "Tocis" Schmechtig

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Sep 11, 2005, 12:31:42 AM9/11/05
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Bob Casanova wrote:

>>This is an atheist rant topic induced by the inability to refute Harun.
> You must enjoy willful blindness.

Hey, you aren't surprised, are you? After all, fundies become fundies
because they specifically don't _want_ to have to think ever again...

Thore "Tocis" Schmechtig

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Sep 11, 2005, 12:33:32 AM9/11/05
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ctm wrote:

> A Christian defending a Muslim.

Muslim fundie? jeezuz fundie? Frankly I don't care, especially not after all
those sock puppets I've seen set up by fundies thinking (HA!) that they
might convince someone of the Evil Atheist Evilutionists(TM) if they pose
as "The Enemy(TM)" themselves... whether this means atheism, islam or
whathaveyou.
The difference is just some few irrelevant details anyway. ;)

Thore "Tocis" Schmechtig

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Sep 11, 2005, 12:34:32 AM9/11/05
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VoiceOfReason wrote:

> Why is harunyahya an idiot? Well, it's a tough job, but somebody's got
> to do it.

Like someone on www.exchristian.net once said...

"...all christians are part of the body of christ. Some are called to be the
asshole." ;)

Richard Clayton

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Sep 11, 2005, 1:29:14 AM9/11/05
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Jeffrey Turner wrote:
> ctm wrote:
>
>>"Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>This is an atheist rant topic induced by the inability to refute Harun.
>>>
>>>This is the Darwinian way: ad hom/poison the well = the refuge of the
>>>defeated unable to refute.
>>>
>>>Ray Martinez
>>
>>A Christian defending a Muslim.
>>
>>Creationism makes strange bedfellowes.
>
> Ahem! "That is because they are all using the same bunk."

Especially ironic given that Ray denounced Islam as evil just a few
weeks back.
But hey, I am sure there will be plenty of time for merrily burning
each other at the stake once they re-establish their respective theocracies.
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Rolf

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Sep 11, 2005, 4:45:15 AM9/11/05
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Ray Martinez <pyram...@yahoo.com> skrev i
meldingsnyheter:1126377897.4...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
That RM is an ally of Harun is proof that he is an idiot too, as if we
needed further evidence for this. It is well known that idiots are the last
to see the truth.

Rolf

TomS

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Sep 11, 2005, 8:58:33 AM9/11/05
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"On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 04:12:09 GMT, in article
<t8OUe.10654$FW1....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, Ross Langerak
stated..."

The "adhrerents" web pages seem to be quite reasonable in their
estimates. The numbers that they give for atheists and agnostics in
the USA are quite low:

<http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html>


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"The utmost, therefore that the argument [derived from the analogy with human
art] can prove is an _architect of the world, who is always very much hampered
by the adaptabilities of the material in which he works, not a _creator of the
world to whose idea everything is subject." Kant, Critique of Pure Reason, A627

Bob Casanova

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Sep 11, 2005, 6:08:33 PM9/11/05
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On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 06:31:42 +0200, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by "Thore \"Tocis\" Schmechtig"
<MAILTOc...@carcosa.de>:

>Bob Casanova wrote:
>
>>>This is an atheist rant topic induced by the inability to refute Harun.

>> You must enjoy willful blindness.

>Hey, you aren't surprised, are you? After all, fundies become fundies
>because they specifically don't _want_ to have to think ever again...

Well, a fair number of them had it pounded into their heads
from an early age, and one must *really* want to change to
overcome childhood programming. It can be done, but it's not
easy.

But I was referring specifically to the many refutations of
Harun, which Ray has had ample opportunity to read and
research, but which he chooses to ignore.

Thore "Tocis" Schmechtig

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Sep 11, 2005, 10:24:50 PM9/11/05
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Bob Casanova wrote:
> Well, a fair number of them had it pounded into their heads
> from an early age, and one must *really* want to change to
> overcome childhood programming. It can be done, but it's not
> easy.

Oh well. Granted.

AC

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Sep 12, 2005, 12:30:25 AM9/12/05
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On 10 Sep 2005 12:02:10 -0700,
Ray Martinez <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This is an atheist rant topic induced by the inability to refute Harun.

Please provide a single argument from Harun that hasn't been refuted. Just
one.

>
> This is the Darwinian way: ad hom/poison the well = the refuge of the
> defeated unable to refute.

Good grief, but you get more pathetic and idiotic with each passing day.

--
Aaron Clausen
mightym...@hotmail.com

Matt Silberstein

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Sep 12, 2005, 8:58:49 AM9/12/05
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On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:42:35 +0000 (UTC), in talk.origins ,
bdbr...@mail.utexas.edu (Bobby D. Bryant) in
<dfv9eq$9jd$2...@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Sep 2005, "VoiceOfReason" <papa...@cybertown.com> wrote:


>
>> Thore "Tocis" Schmechtig wrote:
>>> Because (it's not like most of you didn't know already ;) ) it babbles
>>> nothing but the same long-debunked shit day in, day out.
>>

>> Why is harunyahya an idiot? Well, it's a tough job, but somebody's got
>> to do it.
>

>Just think; if he stops one of us might have to do it.

Some of us have better preparation than others.


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Sep 12, 2005, 6:14:16 PM9/12/05
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On 10 Sep 2005 12:02:10 -0700, "Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com>
wrote in news:<1126377897.4...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:

> This is an atheist rant topic induced by the inability to refute Harun.
>

> This is the Darwinian way: ad hom/poison the well = the refuge of the
> defeated unable to refute.

Ray, I showed you in news:6uh1i1tskpra8e4t7...@4ax.com how
"Harun Yahya" is a liar. Do you approve of liars? If you defend "Harun
Yahya", the obvious answer is "yes".


> Ray Martinez

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