The 2011 Nobel Prize for Physics for the discovery that

[sadovnik socratus]

The 2011 Nobel Prize for Physics for the discovery that
the rate of expansion of the universe is increasing
#
What was before: egg or chicken?
Oh, I know this question is very old and does not have answer.
Therefore I will ask a simpler question:
What was before: � big bang� or vacuum?
#
Nobody knows the reason of � big bang�. My opinion:
The action when the God compressed the whole Universe into
his palm, the scientists named �singular point�
And the action when the God opened his palm the scientists
named �Big Bang�
Does evolution begin on big bang level ?
At what step does consciousness begin?
Does consciousness begin on big bang level ?
=.
What is our intellect ?
We can see this practically :
after � big bang� all Galaxies run away from us
#
Dark Energy may be Vacuum
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-01/uoc-dem011607.php
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Israel Sadovnik Socratus

[Kleuskes & Moos]

On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 22:08:45 -0700, sadovnik socratus wrote:

> The 2011 Nobel Prize for Physics for the discovery that
> the rate of expansion of the universe is increasing

A very noteworthy result, i'd say...

> #
> What was before: egg or chicken?
> Oh, I know this question is very old and does not have answer.

It does. The egg precedes the chicken by quite a number of millions
of years.

> Therefore
> I will ask a simpler question:

> What was before: ‘ big bang’ or vacuum?

The big bang, since 1) an absolute vacuum does not exist and 2) the big
bang created the space you need for a non-absolute vacuum.

> #
> Nobody knows the reason of ‘ big bang’. My opinion: The action when the

> God compressed the whole Universe into

> his palm, the scientists named ‘singular point’

Your opinions aren't as interesting as you may think.

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[Harry K]

On Oct 8, 10:08�pm, sadovnik socratus <is.socra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> �The 2011 Nobel Prize for Physics for the discovery that

> �the rate of expansion of the universe �is increasing
> #

Do you _really_ want to speculate on a "big bang" and God's hand?

<Idiocy snipped>

Harry K

[Otto]

"sadovnik socratus" <is.so...@gmail.com> wrote in news message:
47ed69b7-9fcb-4136...@5g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...

> The 2011 Nobel Prize for Physics for the discovery that
> the rate of expansion of the universe is increasing
> #
> What was before: egg or chicken?
> Oh, I know this question is very old and does not have answer.

Now it has one.
What did people eat first: omelet or chicken ?
The answer to this question will solve all.

> Therefore I will ask a simpler question:

> What was before: ‘ big bang’ or vacuum?

Neither.
Before Big Bang, there was Chaos.
"Big Bang" is just a way of saying: we don't know anything about how the
universe came into being.

Otto

[Nick Keighley]

On Oct 9, 5:08 am, sadovnik socratus <is.socra...@gmail.com> wrote:

>  The 2011 Nobel Prize for Physics for the discovery that
>  the rate of expansion of the universe  is increasing
> #
> What was before: egg or chicken?

If you believe you can tell the difference between a chicken and a
proto-chicken (some sort of jungle fowl descendent) and in the
existence of some sort of poultry Eve then the answer is obviously the
egg.

If like me you believe this is in principal impossible and that
chickens are a species or sub-species concept (the No First Chicken
Principal) then the answer is the super-position of Mu and A Suffusion
of Yellow.

> Oh, I know this question is very old and does not have answer.

If you allow approriate sub-siduary assumptions then you turn it into
an answerable question.

> Therefore I will ask a simpler question:

>  What was before: big bang or vacuum?

the usual answer is that there was no time before the big bang so the
question is meaningless. What's south of the south pole?

Though 11 dimensional brane collisions may give some sort of answer.
Are there multiple time dimensions. I have a theory that is how the
Tardis works and I plan to write a short storyabout it...

> Nobody knows the reason of big bang .

quantum fluctuation

> My opinion:
> The action when the God

bing! unwarrented assumption noted.

 > compressed the whole Universe into

>  his palm, the scientists named singular point

> And the action when  the God  opened his palm  the scientists

> named Big Bang

> Does evolution begin on big bang level ?

no

> At what step does consciousness begin?

when people started to worry about which resturant to go to rather
than just where the next meal is coming from

> Does consciousness begin on big bang level ?

no

> What is our intellect ?

a meta-phenomenon of neural switching. Biochemistry writ large. The
brains operating system. A deleterious hyper-expansion of the optic
nerve.

> We can see this practically :

> after big bang all Galaxies run away from us

except for Andromeda which is going to ram us Real Soon Now. Don't
start any long books.

> Dark Energy may be Vacuumhttp://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-01/uoc-dem011607.php

[Klaus Hellnick]

On 10/9/2011 12:08 AM, sadovnik socratus wrote:
> The 2011 Nobel Prize for Physics for the discovery that
> the rate of expansion of the universe is increasing
> #
> What was before: egg or chicken?
> Oh, I know this question is very old and does not have answer.

Wrong. Eggs came way before chickens, or even vertebrates. By whatever
criteria you define "chicken", the first chicken hatched from an egg
layed by a creature that was just a few mutations short of your definition.

> Therefore I will ask a simpler question:

Wrong again. This is not simpler.

> What was before: ‘ big bang’ or vacuum?

The big bang came first.

> #
> Nobody knows the reason of ‘ big bang’. My opinion:

> The action when the God compressed the whole Universe into

> his palm, the scientists named ‘singular point’

> And the action when the God opened his palm the scientists

> named ‘Big Bang’

That is some imagination you have there.

> Does evolution begin on big bang level ?

No, it (biological evolution) began once a population of self
replicating molecules or hypercycles formed somewhere in the universe.

> At what step does consciousness begin?

This is difficult to judge, as there is no unambiguous definition. For
consciousness, you need some sort of nervous system, sensory system, and
memory, as well as an energy source. Note that I did not list "life" as
a requirement.

> Does consciousness begin on big bang level ?

Of course not.

> =.
> What is our intellect ?
> We can see this practically :

> after ‘ big bang‘ all Galaxies run away from us

Wrong. Many galaxies in the local group are moving towards us. In fact,
Andromeda will hit us (the Milky Way).

> #
> Dark Energy may be Vacuum

Wrong,for any reasonable definition of vacuum.

> http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-01/uoc-dem011607.php
> ===.
> Israel Sadovnik Socratus
>

Perhaps you should try to learn a little bit about the subjects you
raise, here. Don't try to claim you are only asking questions, because
you have made several false claims in you post.
Klaus

[alextangent]

On Nov 20, 12:50 pm, "Otto" <O...@ottolovesrisotto.org> wrote:
> "sadovnik socratus" <is.socra...@gmail.com> wrote in news message:
> 47ed69b7-9fcb-4136-b0bf-33019470b...@5g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...

>
> > The 2011 Nobel Prize for Physics for the discovery that
> > the rate of expansion of the universe  is increasing
> > #
> > What was before: egg or chicken?
> > Oh, I know this question is very old and does not have answer.
>
> Now it has one.
> What did people eat first: omelet or chicken ?
> The answer to this question will solve all.
>
> > Therefore I will ask a simpler question:
> > What was before: ‘ big bang’ or vacuum?
>
> Neither.
> Before Big Bang, there was Chaos.

<cough> uhhh...

> "Big Bang" is just a way of saying: we don't know anything about how the
> universe came into being.

I disagree, otherwise it could equally be described as the Small
Whimper. That it isn't might suggest something to you...


>
> Otto

[Otto]

"Klaus Hellnick" <khelSP...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news message
news:jabgjc$b4m$1...@news.albasani.net...

> On 10/9/2011 12:08 AM, sadovnik socratus wrote:
>> The 2011 Nobel Prize for Physics for the discovery that
>> the rate of expansion of the universe is increasing
>> #
>> What was before: egg or chicken?

>> At what step does consciousness begin?
>
> This is difficult to judge, as there is no unambiguous definition. For
> consciousness, you need some sort of nervous system, sensory system, and
> memory, as well as an energy source. Note that I did not list "life" as a
> requirement.

You are talking about consciousness in living creatures in the physical
universe.

Consciousness existed before life existed on earth.

Otto

[Otto]

"alextangent" <bl...@rivadpm.com> wrote in news message
news:55fc134e-6005-4c1f...@u5g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...

> On Nov 20, 12:50 pm, "Otto" <O...@ottolovesrisotto.org> wrote:
>> "sadovnik socratus" <is.socra...@gmail.com> wrote in news message:
>> 47ed69b7-9fcb-4136-b0bf-33019470b...@5g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > The 2011 Nobel Prize for Physics for the discovery that
>> > the rate of expansion of the universe is increasing
>> > #
>> > What was before: egg or chicken?
>> > Oh, I know this question is very old and does not have answer.
>>
>> Now it has one.
>> What did people eat first: omelet or chicken ?
>> The answer to this question will solve all.
>>
>> > Therefore I will ask a simpler question:
>> > What was before: ‘ big bang’ or vacuum?
>>
>> Neither.
>> Before Big Bang, there was Chaos.
>
> <cough> uhhh...

What would have "banged", in your opinion ?

>> "Big Bang" is just a way of saying: we don't know anything about how the
>> universe came into being.
>
> I disagree, otherwise it could equally be described as the Small
> Whimper. That it isn't might suggest something to you...

"Small Whimper" just doesn't sound right, don't you agree ?

Otherwise we could have called it as well this way, so little do we actually
know about it.

Orro

[Free Lunch]

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 20:14:46 +0100, "Otto" <Ot...@ottolovesrisotto.org>
wrote in talk.origins:

"Apes don't read philosophy."

"Yes they do, Otto. They just don't understand it. Now let me correct
you on a couple of things, OK? Aristotle was not Belgian. The central
message of Buddhism is not "Every man for himself." And the London
Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I
looked them up."

[Otto]

"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in news message
news:1quvc7tiq481153q1...@4ax.com...

I wrote none of these things in my post, Free Lunch.
You are argumenting with yourself.

Otto

[Free Lunch]

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 22:06:41 +0100, "Otto" <Ot...@ottolovesrisotto.org>

I had no idea that you had never seen "A Fish Called Wanda".

[Bob Casanova]

On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 20:14:46 +0100, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by "Otto"
<Ot...@ottolovesrisotto.org>:

I've seen this claim several times; do you, unlike previous
claimants, have anything more substantive than the bare
assertion to offer as evidence?
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

[Bob Casanova]

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 10:52:04 -0700, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>:

Apparently not. What a surprise...