the end of your dating hogwash as requested
Skinny Cartman
The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
Date it three times.
Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
So how old is the rock?
It is brand new as the LORD just created it.
I know it will take you some time to date it.
Have a nice day.
richardal...@googlemail.com
> The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>
> Date it three times.
>
> Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
Not if the test is carried out rigorously under controlled conditions.
When tests are carried out consistently they yield consistent dates.
It's called "science". Perhaps you should learn something about it to
avoid making yourself look an ignorant fool.
RF
Skinny Cartman
<richardalanforr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 13, 3:28 pm, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>
> > Date it three times.
>
> > Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>
> Not if the test is carried out rigorously under controlled conditions.
> When tests are carried out consistently they yield consistent dates.
Not on this rock.
The LORD made the rock, and varied what you utilize to date it with,
right in front of your eyes.
Have you always been mentally retarded?
Dan Listermann
"Skinny Cartman" <skinnyc...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:419e9b07-4c67-40c7...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
Huh?
.
Mike Dworetsky
I guess if you are a True Believer then bending the facts to fit your world
model is a small price to pay for eternal salvation. But I wonder who God
will have most affinity for? Scientists who try to work out exactly how and
why the universe functions by observation and experiment, or the
Creationists who insist that He is some kind of dodgy antique dealer
deliberately distressing recently created works to look ancient with
trickery, lotions and potions.
> Have you always been mentally retarded?
Have you always been mental?
--
Mike Dworetsky
(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)
VoiceOfReason
I don't date outside my species.
Will in New Haven
So this lard character is deliberately fooling people because he hates
them? Or is this the only answer you have when you are faced with the
fact that the world is much older and much different than your Bronze
Age fairy tales envisage.
So you are stupid AND an asshole.
--
Will in New Haven
Ken Denny
> The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>
> Date it three times.
>
> Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
If the tests are done correctly they will all give the same results.
>
> So how old is the rock?
>
> It is brand new as the LORD just created it.
>
> I know it will take you some time to date it.
>
> Have a nice day.
So how are we going to work this? Are you going to show up at one of
the geologists here's office and have the lord produce the rock? I
hope you don't mind being searched beforehand. It's not that we don't
trust you, it's just that we don't trust you. So you'll get searched.
We'll determine that you're not carrying any rock on your person, then
you'll go into a room and pray for the lord to produce a rock for us
to date. Is that how it's going to work?
I'm willing to bet any amount you require, up to $100,000 US that you
can't get the lord to produce a rock just because you ask him to.
Ready to make that bet?
I'd be quite willing to take that test. I don't have the facilities to
test the age of rocks. But just having a rock suddenly appear where
there wasn't one before will be enough to convince me. So you want to
come to my house and have God make a new rock in front of my eyes?
Tim DeLaney
What a wonderful, insightful post! Do you
realize that with a few deft sentences that
you have demolished the science of geology?
I suggest that you make haste to get this
revelation published as soon as possible.
You shouldn't take the chance that somebody
will publish it before you. After all, look
what happened to Alfred Wallace.
Follow this link:
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/toc/jg/current
Do not delay! Fame and fortune await!
Tim
richardal...@googlemail.com
I suggest that accusations of mental retardation are no substitute for
evidence and argument.
RF
TomS
<f589333a-11c4-4e8c...@g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, Ken Denny
stated..."
>
>On Nov 13, 10:28=A0am, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>>
>> Date it three times.
>>
>> Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>
>If the tests are done correctly they will all give the same results.
One can only wonder, if the dating techniques are so inconsistent,
why any body bothers to use them. And how the experimenters choose
which date to use when publishing their results. And how different
methods manage to come up with coherent results. And, when the
methods are studied for unsuspected sources of error, nobody can
find reasons to doubt the general soundness of the methods.
When radiocarbon dating was first suggested, the archeologists had
to be convinced that the system was reliable. They didn't just say,
"anything that proves the Bible is wrong has got to be good, so
let's just go along with this."
>>
>> So how old is the rock?
>>
>> It is brand new as the LORD just created it.
>>
>> I know it will take you some time to date it.
>>
>> Have a nice day.
>
>So how are we going to work this? Are you going to show up at one of
>the geologists here's office and have the lord produce the rock? I
>hope you don't mind being searched beforehand. It's not that we don't
>trust you, it's just that we don't trust you. So you'll get searched.
>We'll determine that you're not carrying any rock on your person, then
>you'll go into a room and pray for the lord to produce a rock for us
>to date. Is that how it's going to work?
>
>I'm willing to bet any amount you require, up to $100,000 US that you
>can't get the lord to produce a rock just because you ask him to.
>
>Ready to make that bet?
>
>I'd be quite willing to take that test. I don't have the facilities to
>test the age of rocks. But just having a rock suddenly appear where
>there wasn't one before will be enough to convince me. So you want to
>come to my house and have God make a new rock in front of my eyes?
>
--
---Tom S.
the failure to nail currant jelly to a wall is not due to the nail; it is due to
the currant jelly.
Theodore Roosevelt, Letter to William Thayer, 1915 July 2
JohnN
Where do you take a rock on a first date?
JohnN
Great Dayne
> On Nov 13, 10:28 am, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>
> > Date it three times.
>
> > Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>
> > So how old is the rock?
>
> > It is brand new as the LORD just created it.
>
> > I know it will take you some time to date it.
>
> > Have a nice day.
>
> What a wonderful, insightful post! Do you
> realize that with a few deft sentences that
> you have demolished the science of geology?
That already happened when the continents became one land again.
Try to keep up you insipid mental retards.
Great Dayne
<richardalanforr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 13, 3:36 pm, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 13, 9:31 am, "richardalanforr...@googlemail.com"
>
> > <richardalanforr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 13, 3:28 pm, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>
> > > > Date it three times.
>
> > > > Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>
> > > Not if the test is carried out rigorously under controlled conditions.
> > > When tests are carried out consistently they yield consistent dates.
>
> > Not on this rock.
> > The LORD made the rock, and varied what you utilize to date it with,
> > right in front of your eyes.
>
> > Have you always been mentally retarded?
>
> I suggest that accusations of mental retardation are no substitute for
> evidence and argument.
>
LORD, vary all the dating on all their rocks.
TomS
<b4d755f6-c691-40cb...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, Will in New
Haven stated..."
>
>On Nov 13, 10:36=A0am, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 13, 9:31=A0am, "richardalanforr...@googlemail.com"
>>
>> <richardalanforr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> > On Nov 13, 3:28=A0pm, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>>
>> > > Date it three times.
>>
>> > > Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>>
>> > Not if the test is carried out rigorously under controlled conditions.
>> > When tests are carried out consistently they yield consistent dates.
>>
>> Not on this rock.
>> The LORD made the rock, and varied what you utilize to date it with,
>> right in front of your eyes.
>>
>> Have you always been mentally retarded?
>
>So this lard character is deliberately fooling people because he hates
>them? Or is this the only answer you have when you are faced with the
>fact that the world is much older and much different than your Bronze
>Age fairy tales envisage.
And remember, before 1961, even many fundamentalists in the USA went
along with different interpretations of Genesis. The Scofield Reference
Bible, to take one example of premillenialist dispensationalism from
the early 20th century, accepted the "gap theory". The idea that each
of the "days" of Genesis 1 represented a thousand years, or some much
longer stretch of time, was popular.
>
>So you are stupid AND an asshole.
>
--
Ken Denny
When this actually happens you may have an argument. So far nobody has
seen it happen.
>
> Have you always been mentally retarded?
You certainly seem to be.
Ken Denny
To a rock concert?
Inez
Since this is all imaginary, in my imaginary lab the rock is dated
correctly three times straight! Also I get an ice cream cone.
Have a super nice day.
Inez
Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz? My friends all drive
Porches, I must make amends.
Great Dayne
Oh so pharoah's magicians repeated this did they?
Will in New Haven
And why is the lard doing this? So you won't feel like an imbecile? To
trick all the smart people, so you won't feel like such a fool. The
lard must really love you to do that. And hate smart people, just as
you do.
Go with the blessings of your lard but DO go.
hersheyh
> The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
So how am I to distinguish between the LORD-made rocks and the non-
LORD-made rocks? Especially since He has not yet shown up at my door
to give me anything. Am I supposed to just assume that you are a
substitute delivery person for the LORD?
>
> Date it three times.
I'm married. I don't date strange rocks.
> Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
Is this supposed to be *special* rock? Most rocks give quite
consistent dates, but a few do show inconsistency in dating because of
uneven heating or a few other causes.
> So how old is the rock?
>
> It is brand new as the LORD just created it.
Then the methods used should show that the rock was "just created"
within the error of the methods. Since most rock-dating methods are
NOT designed to measure recently created rocks you will probably get
an answer that, for the method, is zero +/- measurement error. Using
standard dating methods for rocks on a newly created rock is like
using a yard-long stick to measure the size of a virus.
Inez
No, they're scientists in sexy white lab coats, with complicated
pieces of equipment that emit artistic electric arcs and beakers of
colored chemicals.
Mark Evans
Or strata.
Mark Evans
richardal...@googlemail.com
Ah! CSI! Science porn!
Beautiful people with sexy equipment which always functions perfectly
and always produces a climax.
If only measuring old bones in dusty museum basements were as
glamorous.
RF
Mike Dworetsky
Try "Dialling for Dollars", they are waiting for you, and you are sure to
win big.
Boikat
> The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>
> Date it three times.
>
> Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>
>
> It is brand new as the LORD just created it.
>
> I know it will take you some time to date it.
>
> Have a nice day.
It must be nice for you to live inside a non-functional brain. So
devoid of reason, and unencumbered by intelligence. For me, that
woulf be hell.
Boikat
Tapestry
> On Nov 13, 9:10 am, Great Dayne <ihavethecode...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 13, 11:04 am, Inez <savagemouse...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 13, 7:28 am, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>
> > > > Date it three times.
>
> > > > Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>
> > > > So how old is the rock?
>
> > > > It is brand new as the LORD just created it.
>
> > > > I know it will take you some time to date it.
>
> > > > Have a nice day.
>
> > > Since this is all imaginary, in my imaginary lab the rock is dated
> > > correctly three times straight! Also I get an ice cream cone.
>
> > > Have a super nice day.
>
> > Oh so pharoah's magicians repeated this did they?
>
> No
So all you have is hot air, which is not evidence.
You made up a scenario, that think it may have been done like this or
like that
with no evidence whatsoever except your claim that it was done a
particular way
with no evidence backing your claim whatsoever!
Dana Tweedy
> The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
When does this happen?
>
> Date it three times.
No kissing on the first date....
>
> Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
That's not what happens in reality.
>
> So how old is the rock?
As old as it's dated to be.
>
> It is brand new as the LORD just created it.
Then it would appear to be "brand new", unless the "Lord" is being
deliberately deceptive.
>
> I know it will take you some time to date it.
Well, since none of us actually have this 'rock', how do you presume that
anyone can assign a date to it?
>
> Have a nice day.
You too, but please make that appointment with your doctor.
DJT
Dana Tweedy
>> I suggest that accusations of mental retardation are no substitute
>> for evidence and argument.
>>
>
> LORD, vary all the dating on all their rocks.
Have you noticed that God doesn't seem to listen to your commands?
DJT
Dana Tweedy
> On Nov 13, 9:31 am, "richardalanforr...@googlemail.com"
> <richardalanforr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>>
>>
>>> Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>>
>> conditions. When tests are carried out consistently they yield
>> consistent dates.
>
> Not on this rock.
> The LORD made the rock, and varied what you utilize to date it with,
> right in front of your eyes.
in that case, the "Lord" is lying to us. Why would you trust a liar?
>
> Have you always been mentally retarded?
Have you always been mentally unbalanced? Please get medical help.
DJT
Dana Tweedy
When did this happen? The last time all the continents were together was
250 million years ago.
> Try to keep up you insipid mental retards.
How is anyone to keep up with your delusions?
DJT
Great Dayne
> Great Dayne wrote:
> > On Nov 13, 10:21 am, Tim DeLaney <delaney.timo...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> On Nov 13, 10:28 am, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>
> >>> Date it three times.
>
> >>> Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>
> >>> So how old is the rock?
>
> >>> It is brand new as the LORD just created it.
>
> >>> I know it will take you some time to date it.
>
> >>> Have a nice day.
>
> >> What a wonderful, insightful post! Do you
> >> realize that with a few deft sentences that
> >> you have demolished the science of geology?
>
> > That already happened when the continents became one land again.
>
> When did this happen?
Thank you for admitting it did happen.
> The last time all the continents were together was
> 250 million years ago.
And since it happened right in fromt of your eyes, you know your
supposed dating
is in error.
Dana Tweedy
> On Nov 13, 11:25 am, Inez <savagemouse...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 13, 9:10 am, Great Dayne <ihavethecode...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 13, 11:04 am, Inez <savagemouse...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Nov 13, 7:28 am, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>>
>>>>> Date it three times.
>>
>>>>> Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>>
>>>>> So how old is the rock?
>>
>>>>> It is brand new as the LORD just created it.
>>
>>>>> I know it will take you some time to date it.
>>
>>>>> Have a nice day.
>>
>>>> Since this is all imaginary, in my imaginary lab the rock is dated
>>>> correctly three times straight! Also I get an ice cream cone.
>>
>>>> Have a super nice day.
>>
>>> Oh so pharoah's magicians repeated this did they?
>>
>> No
>
> So all you have is hot air, which is not evidence.
May I point out that you have even less than "hot air". You have just your
own delusional belief.
> You made up a scenario,
So did you.
> that think it may have been done like this or
> like that
> with no evidence whatsoever except your claim that it was done a
> particular way
> with no evidence backing your claim whatsoever!
Which is exactly what you did as well. That was the point.
DJT
Great Dayne
> Skinny Cartman wrote:
> > On Nov 13, 9:31 am, "richardalanforr...@googlemail.com"
> > <richardalanforr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> On Nov 13, 3:28 pm, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>
> >>> Date it three times.
>
> >>> Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>
> >> Not if the test is carried out rigorously under controlled
> >> conditions. When tests are carried out consistently they yield
> >> consistent dates.
>
> > Not on this rock.
> > The LORD made the rock, and varied what you utilize to date it with,
> > right in front of your eyes.
>
> in that case, the "Lord" is lying to us. Why would you trust a liar?
I already explained this concept, troll retard!
First off he isn't lying to you at all.
When was the first time humanity was able to date a rock, huh?
Now the LORD gave his word you would fight against him, and you are
using the pretext
of your supposed ability to date a rock as your excuse to fight
against GOD.
It was done to fulfill his word.
It is wisdom his wisdom and it remains with him.
BTW, I have never fallen for dating you assign to things so GOD wasn't
lying to me then, was he?
It is only because you are a retard, that you think he is lying to
you.
Oh look you fell for that too.
So you see GOOD will always triumph, because EVIL is RETARDED.
Will in New Haven
Please go to http://getafuckingeducationyoumoron.com and come back to
us when you are qualified to speak on the subject. Or any other
subject.
Dana Tweedy
> On Nov 13, 12:20 pm, "Dana Tweedy" <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote:
>> Skinny Cartman wrote:
>>> On Nov 13, 9:31 am, "richardalanforr...@googlemail.com"
>>> <richardalanforr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 13, 3:28 pm, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>>
>>>>> Date it three times.
>>
>>>>> Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>>
>>>> Not if the test is carried out rigorously under controlled
>>>> conditions. When tests are carried out consistently they yield
>>>> consistent dates.
>>
>>> Not on this rock.
>>> The LORD made the rock, and varied what you utilize to date it with,
>>> right in front of your eyes.
>>
>> in that case, the "Lord" is lying to us. Why would you trust a liar?
>
> I already explained this concept, troll retard!
You may think that, but your delusions make it difficult to understand you.
> First off he isn't lying to you at all.
Making something appear older than it is, is lying.
> When was the first time humanity was able to date a rock, huh?
Early forms of dating were suggested around the 1700s. It wasn't until the
discovery of radioactivity in the early 1900s when an objective dating
technique was discovered.
> Now the LORD gave his word you would fight against him,
But I'm not fighting against the Lord. You are mistaken.
and you are
>> using the pretext
> of your supposed ability to date a rock as your excuse to fight
> against GOD.
As I stated, I'm not fighting against God. The ability to date a rock
comes from the properties of physics, which God has instituted.
> It was done to fulfill his word.
What was done to fulfill his word?
> It is wisdom his wisdom and it remains with him.
> BTW, I have never fallen for dating you assign to things so GOD wasn't
> lying to me then, was he?
Apparently, someone was. The dating techniques are accurate, as long as
God isn't lying to us.
> It is only because you are a retard, that you think he is lying to
> you.
I don't think God is lying to us. But you are the one claiming that God
lies about the age of the rocks.
>
> Oh look you fell for that too.
Fell for what?
>
> So you see GOOD will always triumph, because EVIL is RETARDED.
I don't see you as retarded, or evil. You are mentally ill. Seek help.
DJT
Dana Tweedy
> On Nov 13, 12:27 pm, "Dana Tweedy" <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote:
>> Great Dayne wrote:
>>> On Nov 13, 10:21 am, Tim DeLaney <delaney.timo...@comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 13, 10:28 am, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>>
>>>>> Date it three times.
>>
>>>>> Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>>
>>>>> So how old is the rock?
>>
>>>>> It is brand new as the LORD just created it.
>>
>>>>> I know it will take you some time to date it.
>>
>>>>> Have a nice day.
>>
>>>> What a wonderful, insightful post! Do you
>>>> realize that with a few deft sentences that
>>>> you have demolished the science of geology?
>>
>>> That already happened when the continents became one land again.
>>
>> When did this happen?
>
> Thank you for admitting it did happen.
Sure, the continents have been massed together several times in history, but
not now.
>
>> The last time all the continents were together was
>> 250 million years ago.
>
> And since it happened right in fromt of your eyes, you know your
> supposed dating
> is in error.
I haven't seen all the continents together. The last time it happened was
250 million years ago. At the moment, the continents are separated. The
scientific dating techiques are accurate.
DJT
Mitchell Coffey
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends.
Mitchell Coffey
Ye Old One
<skinnyc...@gmail.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>
>The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
Which 'lord' are you talking about?
>
>Date it three times.
Ok, and with three different methods - that is usually how science
does it.
>
>Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
Some slight variation is usual, but with multiple dating they average
out.
>
>So how old is the rock?
As old as the average of the testing.
>
>It is brand new as the LORD just created it.
Nope. Can't happen. Your gods are just the invention of man.
>
>I know it will take you some time to date it.
>
>Have a nice day.
--
Bob.
If brains were taxed, you would get a rebate.
Ye Old One
<skinnyc...@gmail.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>On Nov 13, 9:31 am, "richardalanforr...@googlemail.com"
><richardalanforr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 13, 3:28 pm, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>>
>> > Date it three times.
>>
>> > Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>>
>> Not if the test is carried out rigorously under controlled conditions.
>> When tests are carried out consistently they yield consistent dates.
>
>Not on this rock.
>The LORD made the rock, and varied what you utilize to date it with,
>right in front of your eyes.
>
>Have you always been mentally retarded?
He isn't. You are.
--
Bob.
Bozone (n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright
ideas from penetrating. Your bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little
sign of breaking down in the near future.
Louann Miller
>> > Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>>
>> Not if the test is carried out rigorously under controlled conditions.
>> When tests are carried out consistently they yield consistent dates.
>
> Not on this rock.
> The LORD made the rock, and varied what you utilize to date it with,
> right in front of your eyes.
You do GET it there's a difference between you saying "God will make a
rock" and the rock actually existing, right?
For bonus points, do you know that you yourself aren't God?
Inez
See, that was the satire in my post. You made up that God created a
rock, I made up that it could be dated correctly. Imaginary challenge
countered by imaginary testing. Also, I really did get an ice cream
cone so that's pretty strong evidence that my senario is accurate.
Dan Drake
place the first time.]
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:36:28 -0800, TomS wrote
(in article <268130188.000...@drn.newsguy.com>):
> "On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:05:14 -0800 (PST), in article
> <f589333a-11c4-4e8c...@g27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, Ken
Denny
> stated..."
>>
>> On Nov 13, 10:28=A0am, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>>>
>>> Date it three times.
>>>
>>> Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>>
>> If the tests are done correctly they will all give the same results.
>
> One can only wonder, if the dating techniques are so inconsistent,
> why any body bothers to use them. And how the experimenters choose
> which date to use when publishing their results. And how different
> methods manage to come up with coherent results. And, when the
> methods are studied for unsuspected sources of error, nobody can
> find reasons to doubt the general soundness of the methods.
>
> When radiocarbon dating was first suggested, the archeologists had
> to be convinced that the system was reliable. They didn't just say,
> "anything that proves the Bible is wrong has got to be good, so
> let's just go along with this."
But don't forget the sequel: The archeologists were so far from signing up
immediately with the Kill God Conspiracy that they went on for some years
quibbling about a century or two here and there among dates in the 3rd
millenium BC or thereabouts, because the radiocarbon dates didn't fit well
enough with historical sequences and some pretty well fixed datings. The
dispute carried
on until it was resolved by some new stuff, including new independent lines
of evidence such as tree-ring dating; the fact that carbon-14 has a short
half-life and is constantly being made de novo by cosmic radiation (*); the
variations in cosmic radiation over time due to local conditions, due to
solar activity; sunspot minima.
(I welcome corrections to this account, based on recollection of an old
Scientific American article, and will welcome them the more for their sober
academic
tone.)
(*) I don't think it's utterly wrong to criticize the pioneers in C14 dating
for ignoring this basic difference from other dating methods using
radioisotopes. But even scholars can be carried away by new techniques, and
we needn't think less of them for it.
I am sure that the utterly garbled version of this history that has
circulated among the fundies is at the root of the silly assertions in the
post. The fact that science obtains new evidence and learns things and
fine-tunes earlier ideas remains anathema to some intellects.
--
Dan Drake
d...@dandrake.com
Frank J
> The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>
> Date it three times.
>
> Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>
>
> It is brand new as the LORD just created it.
>
> I know it will take you some time to date it.
>
> Have a nice day.
Have you posted your unusual ideas at OEC and ID sites? If so, how did
they critique them?
Ye Old One
<ihaveth...@aol.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>On Nov 13, 10:31 am, "richardalanforr...@googlemail.com"
><richardalanforr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 13, 3:36 pm, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 13, 9:31 am, "richardalanforr...@googlemail.com"
>>
>> > <richardalanforr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> > > On Nov 13, 3:28 pm, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>>
>> > > > Date it three times.
>>
>> > > > Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>>
>> > > Not if the test is carried out rigorously under controlled conditions.
>> > > When tests are carried out consistently they yield consistent dates.
>>
>> > Not on this rock.
>> > The LORD made the rock, and varied what you utilize to date it with,
>> > right in front of your eyes.
>>
>> > Have you always been mentally retarded?
>>
>> I suggest that accusations of mental retardation are no substitute for
>> evidence and argument.
>>
>
>LORD, vary all the dating on all their rocks.
No good crying to a fictional character - he won't help you.
--
Bob.
Have you ever wondered what your life would be like if you had had
enough oxygen at birth?
Ye Old One
<ihaveth...@aol.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>On Nov 13, 12:20 pm, "Dana Tweedy" <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote:
>> Skinny Cartman wrote:
>> > On Nov 13, 9:31 am, "richardalanforr...@googlemail.com"
>> > <richardalanforr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> >> On Nov 13, 3:28 pm, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>>
>> >>> Date it three times.
>>
>> >>> Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>>
>> >> Not if the test is carried out rigorously under controlled
>> >> conditions. When tests are carried out consistently they yield
>> >> consistent dates.
>>
>> > Not on this rock.
>> > The LORD made the rock, and varied what you utilize to date it with,
>> > right in front of your eyes.
>>
>> in that case, the "Lord" is lying to us. Why would you trust a liar?
>
>I already explained this concept, troll retard!
>First off he isn't lying to you at all.
no, because he is a fictional character. On the other hand his authors
sure were lying - big time.
>When was the first time humanity was able to date a rock, huh?
For about the last 60 years.
>Now the LORD gave his word you would fight against him, and you are
>using the pretext
>of your supposed ability to date a rock as your excuse to fight
>against GOD.
Gods are the invention of primitive man.
>
>It was done to fulfill his word.
>It is wisdom his wisdom and it remains with him.
>BTW, I have never fallen for dating you assign to things so GOD wasn't
>lying to me then, was he?
You were lying to yourself.
>It is only because you are a retard, that you think he is lying to
>you.
He can't lie, but his authors can and did.
>
>Oh look you fell for that too.
>
>So you see GOOD will always triumph, because EVIL is RETARDED.
Yes, you sure are retarded.
John Wilkins
<24fc978d-c33b-4701...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
<"richardal...@googlemail.com"> wrote:
> On Nov 13, 5:25�pm, Inez <savagemouse...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 13, 9:10�am, Great Dayne <ihavethecode...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
...
> > > Oh so pharoah's magicians repeated this did they?
> >
> > No, they're scientists in sexy white lab coats, with complicated
> > pieces of equipment that emit artistic electric arcs and beakers of
> > colored chemicals.
>
> Ah! CSI! Science porn!
> Beautiful people with sexy equipment which always functions perfectly
> and always produces a climax.
>
> If only measuring old bones in dusty museum basements were as
> glamorous.
It gets *me* hot, although I think that's not the reaction you were
hoping for...
Desertphile
<skinnyc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The lord will make a rock and give it to you to date.
Lords don't make rocks; they might shit bricks, but that's the
British for yeh....
--
http://desertphile.org
Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
"Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
Will in New Haven
wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:28:00 -0800 (PST), Skinny Cartman
>
> > The lord will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>
> Lords don't make rocks; they might shit bricks, but that's the
> British for yeh....
You know, I get the impression that this guy with all the names
doesn't do much dating.
Kermit
> Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com> wrote in news:c9e17f58-d1cc-
>
> >> > Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>
> >> Not if the test is carried out rigorously under controlled conditions.
> >> When tests are carried out consistently they yield consistent dates.
>
> > Not on this rock.
> > The LORD made the rock, and varied what you utilize to date it with,
> > right in front of your eyes.
>
> You do GET it there's a difference between you saying "God will make a
> rock" and the rock actually existing, right?
Nope.
>
> For bonus points, do you know that you yourself aren't God?
It's not clear that he's clear on that, really. He thinks he's the
president of the US, and that Washington DC was nuked a couple of
years ago.
It *is clear that his brain doesn't work right.
Kermit
Great Dayne
> Great Dayne wrote:
> > On Nov 13, 12:27 pm, "Dana Tweedy" <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote:
> >> Great Dayne wrote:
> >>> On Nov 13, 10:21 am, Tim DeLaney <delaney.timo...@comcast.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On Nov 13, 10:28 am, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>
> >>>>> Date it three times.
>
> >>>>> Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>
> >>>>> So how old is the rock?
>
> >>>>> It is brand new as the LORD just created it.
>
> >>>>> I know it will take you some time to date it.
>
> >>>>> Have a nice day.
>
> >>>> What a wonderful, insightful post! Do you
> >>>> realize that with a few deft sentences that
> >>>> you have demolished the science of geology?
>
> >>> That already happened when the continents became one land again.
>
> >> When did this happen?
>
> > Thank you for admitting it did happen.
>
> Sure, the continents have been massed together several times in history, but
> not now.
Several?
Explain.
Great Dayne
> Great Dayne wrote:
> > On Nov 13, 12:20 pm, "Dana Tweedy" <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote:
> >> Skinny Cartman wrote:
> >>> On Nov 13, 9:31 am, "richardalanforr...@googlemail.com"
> >>> <richardalanforr...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Nov 13, 3:28 pm, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>
> >>>>> Date it three times.
>
> >>>>> Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>
> >>>> Not if the test is carried out rigorously under controlled
> >>>> conditions. When tests are carried out consistently they yield
> >>>> consistent dates.
>
> >>> Not on this rock.
> >>> The LORD made the rock, and varied what you utilize to date it with,
> >>> right in front of your eyes.
>
> >> in that case, the "Lord" is lying to us. Why would you trust a liar?
>
> > I already explained this concept, troll retard!
>
> You may think that, but your delusions make it difficult to understand you.
>
> > First off he isn't lying to you at all.
>
> Making something appear older than it is, is lying.
GOD never said how old a rock is. You did. So the only one possible
to be lying about an age of a rock, is *gasp*, you!
Free Lunch
<ihaveth...@aol.com> wrote in talk.origins:
Or those who put words into God's mouth. God never said anything. His
supposed followers make things up all the time.
Ye Old One
Gods are the invention of primitive man.
>You did. So the only one possible
>to be lying about an age of a rock, is *gasp*, you!
The only one lying around here is *gasp*, you!
--
Bob.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid but you're abusing the privilege.
Ye Old One
<ihaveth...@aol.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
Yes, several.
>Explain.
Ok. Supercontinents from the past include:-
Gondwana (~600 — ~30 million years ago)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gondwana
Laurasia (~ 300 — ~60 million years ago)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurasia
Pangaea (~300 — ~180 million years ago) This was the last time all the
land was together.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangaea
Euramerica (~300 million years ago)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euramerica
Pannotia (~600 — ~540 million years ago)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannotia
Rodinia (~1.1 Gya — ~750 million years ago) This was the previous time
all land was together.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodinia
Columbia, also called Nuna (~1.8 — 1.5 Gya)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_%28supercontinent%29
Nena (~1.8 Ga)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nena_%28supercontinent%29
Kenorland (~2.7 Ga - ~2.1 Ga ago)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenorland
Ur (~3 Ga ago) often classified as the earliest landmass until fairly
recently.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur_%28continent%29
Komatii Formation (3.475 Ga)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komatii_Formation
Vaalbara (~3.6 Ga ago)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaalbara
Yilgarn (4.4-4.3 Gya)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yilgarn_Craton
There are others, but those are the main ones.
--
Bob.
You have not been charged for this lesson - learn from it rather than
continuing to make a fool of yourself.
Reddfrogg
Then it should date to it's actual age, not to millions of years.
>You did. So the only one possible
> to be lying about an age of a rock, is *gasp*, you!
If no one is making the rock appear older, then it would date to it's
correct age. You seem to be implying that God made the rock appear
older than it is, in which case, God would be lying.
DJT
Will in New Haven
That's logic. Logic will not work on this entity. What might work, in
a perfect world, would be psychiatric help. Being kicked to death by a
mob wouldn't help but it would shut it up.
Reddfrogg
Yes, several times in geological history all the continents have been
massed together.
See: http://www.scotese.com/earth.htm
> Explain.
Look up "plate tectonics".
DJT
Great Dayne
No, you are a claiming an age for the rock. That would make you
the only liar!
Will in New Haven
No, stupid, he is saying how old the dating methods say it is. It is
his best estimate of the truth. This is not "lying," even if it is
mistaken. This is something intelligent children learn very young.
Making a mistake on a factual question isn't lying. Failure to make an
accurate prediction isn't lying. To lie you must say something when
you know that it isn't the truth.
But you, moron, can't understand this. Deep down, I think you and many
of your little friends think this god-stuff is obviously true and
people are lying when they say that they don't believe.
IF your god is tricking people, your god is a lying pile of shit. This
would be really bad behavior in a human and unacceptable in a deity.
I hereby terminate your god. He can pick up his stuff from his desk
and get the fugoutahere.
Reddfrogg
You said that the rock was made 100 years ago. That means you've
placed a date on that rock. If the rock was made 100 years ago, and
it wasn't made to look older than it is, then it should date as 100
years old. In science, there are very few techniques that can date a
rock less than a few thousand years old.
> That would make you
> the only liar!
Again, the only way a rock 100 years old would date to 3 billion years
is if were altered to make it look older. That's being deceptive.
Since nothing humans can do will alter the decay rate of elements,
then it must have been God that made it look older. I.e. God would
be lying, if what you claimed actually took place.
DJT
Tapestry
That was a hypothetical.
Can't you distinguish between that and reality?
> > That would make you
> > the only liar!
>
> Again, the only way a rock 100 years old would date to 3 billion years
> is if were altered to make it look older.
It was just made that way.
It wasn't made to appear older, you put a logical construct yourself
on it that something
you determine from the rock indicates its actual age when it doesn't
at all.
Ye Old One
<ihaveth...@aol.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
Science can date most rocks, anyone who says they can't is the liar.
Oh dear, you seem to fit the bill.
--
Bob.
The truth is like ice water, it shocks you when it hits you, but no
one's ever died from it. Do yourself a favour and try it sometime.
Ye Old One
We understand reality = it seems to be you that doesn't.
>
>> > That would make you
>> > the only liar!
>>
>> Again, the only way a rock 100 years old would date to 3 billion years
>> is if were altered to make it look older.
>
>It was just made that way.
You can't do that.
>It wasn't made to appear older, you put a logical construct yourself
>on it that something
>you determine from the rock indicates its actual age when it doesn't
>at all.
But it does. There is no process by which you can make a rock that
would appear to be 3 billion years old.
--
Bob.
Theists think all gods but theirs are false. Atheists simply don't
make an exception for the last one.
Reddfrogg
Of course, but you keep acting as if it were a real problem for
science. There's no reason to suspect that the ages derived from
dating techniques employed by geologists are wrong.
>
> > > That would make you
> > > the only liar!
>
> > Again, the only way a rock 100 years old would date to 3 billion years
> > is if were altered to make it look older.
>
> It was just made that way.
If it were made that way, it would not appear to be 3 billion years
old.
> It wasn't made to appear older,
then there's no reason why a geologist testing the rock would get a
wildly inaccurate date.
> you put a logical construct yourself
> on it that something
> you determine from the rock indicates its actual age when it doesn't
> at all.
The point is that objective dating does provide an actual age for the
rock. Supposing that some supernatural being made the rock look older
is irrelevant.
DJT
Picasso Renoir Hilton
No, you have a worldview you hold to.
That worldview is a clumsy fraud.
Nobody told you to formulate that worldview, you did that
all by yourselves. You can't very well then go blame GOD for what you
yourself did. Are you on drugs?
Reddfrogg
wrote:
> On Nov 14, 1:17 pm, Reddfrogg <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 14, 11:06 am, Tapestry <estry....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > That would make you
> > > > > the only liar!
>
> > > > Again, the only way a rock 100 years old would date to 3 billion years
> > > > is if were altered to make it look older.
>
> > > It was just made that way.
>
> > If it were made that way, it would not appear to be 3 billion years
> > old.
>
> > > It wasn't made to appear older,
>
> > then there's no reason why a geologist testing the rock would get a
> > wildly inaccurate date.
>
> > > you put a logical construct yourself
> > > on it that something
> > > you determine from the rock indicates its actual age when it doesn't
> > > at all.
>
> > The point is that objective dating does provide an actual age for the
> > rock.
>
> No, you have a worldview you hold to.
The "wordview" that I hold to is that the evidence matters, and God
isn't trying to trick us.
> That worldview is a clumsy fraud.
How can a worldview be a fraud?
> Nobody told you to formulate that worldview, you did that
> all by yourselves.
Does one have to be told what 'worldview' to have?
>You can't very well then go blame GOD for what you
> yourself did. Are you on drugs?
I don't blame God for anything. I'm pointing out that your claims are
irrational. No, I'm not on drugs, and you need to get off the ones
you are taking. See your doctor and get on some effective medical
help. Self medication is always a bad idea.,
DJT
Picasso Renoir Hilton
> On Nov 14, 12:50 pm, Picasso Renoir Hilton <ihavethecode...@gmx.com>
> >You can't very well then go blame GOD for what you
> > yourself did. Are you on drugs?
>
> I don't blame God for anything.
Glad we agree.
You are responsible and are going away now bobbie into your cell.
Reddfrogg
wrote:
> On Nov 14, 1:57 pm, Reddfrogg <reddfr...@bresnan.net> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 14, 12:50 pm, Picasso Renoir Hilton <ihavethecode...@gmx.com>
> > >You can't very well then go blame GOD for what you
> > > yourself did. Are you on drugs?
>
> > I don't blame God for anything.
>
> Glad we agree.
Do you also agree that you need to stop self medicating, and get some
competent medical help?
> You are responsible and are going away now bobbie into your cell.
Sorry, but I don't have a cell (except for the trillions of cells in
my body). In any case, I'm not "bobbie". What "cell" do you
imagine that I have?
DJT
Will in New Haven
wrote:
You don't have the power of arrest. You don't have the sense god gave
a Shih Tzu. Please get some help.
William Morse
> On Nov 13, 10:28 am, Skinny Cartman <skinnycartma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The LORD will make a rock and give it to you to date.
>>
>> Date it three times.
>>
>> Each time you date it it will come back as widely varying dates.
>>
>>
>> It is brand new as the LORD just created it.
>>
>> I know it will take you some time to date it.
>>
>> Have a nice day.
>
To a restaurant in Baghdad? I hear there's a nice one called A Hard Place
Reddfrogg
I think that DIG finally banned him for nym shifting... That doesn't
mean he won't show up under a new name.
DJT
Louann Miller
abd1-661...@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com:
>> For bonus points, do you know that you yourself aren't God?
>
> It's not clear that he's clear on that, really. He thinks he's the
> president of the US, and that Washington DC was nuked a couple of
> years ago.
Thanks for the info. I didn't know that Dayne = Cartman in this case. So
not much to say, really.