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Fossil Lin

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Apr 4, 2009, 11:16:17 PM4/4/09
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Prof. Wilton Krogman, the author of "Human Skeleton in Forensic
Medicine", had this to say about the premolar which he identified from
another Carboniferous human skull discovered by Mr. Ed Conrad:

http://fossil-id.googlegroups.com/web/REUPLOAD%20krogman%20on%20premolar.JPG?hl=zh-TW&gsc=f0FKoQsAAAA3ib3pYtgyPGIK4tOGPBfm

That human skull was the very first fossil discovered by Mr. Conrad.
He took the skull to the Smithsonian Institue, which declared in three
minutes that it was a rock.
Please note above quotes were not invented by Mr. Conrad.

Boikat

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Apr 4, 2009, 11:46:44 PM4/4/09
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On Apr 4, 10:16 pm, Fossil Lin <fossil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Prof. Wilton Krogman, the author of "Human Skeleton in Forensic
> Medicine", had this to say about the premolar which he identified from
> another Carboniferous human skull discovered by Mr. Ed Conrad:
>
> http://fossil-id.googlegroups.com/web/REUPLOAD%20krogman%20on%20premo...

>
> That human skull was the very first fossil discovered by Mr. Conrad.
> He took the skull to the Smithsonian Institue, which declared in three
> minutes that it was a rock.
> Please note above quotes were not invented by Mr. Conrad.

Krogman could have been wrong, or ed could have pulled a fast one.

Boikat

unrestra...@hotmail.com

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Apr 4, 2009, 11:57:11 PM4/4/09
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On Apr 4, 8:16 pm, Fossil Lin <fossil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Prof. Wilton Krogman, the author of "Human Skeleton in Forensic
> Medicine", had this to say about the premolar which he identified from
> another Carboniferous human skull discovered by Mr. Ed Conrad:
>
> http://fossil-id.googlegroups.com/web/REUPLOAD%20krogman%20on%20premo...

>
> That human skull was the very first fossil discovered by Mr. Conrad.
> He took the skull to the Smithsonian Institue, which declared in three
> minutes that it was a rock.
> Please note above quotes were not invented by Mr. Conrad.

This may be legitimate. It sounds like Dr. Krogman is saying that he
doesn't believe it is 350 million years old, but he hesitates calling
someone crazy on paper.

Scientists have a habit of not being certain; when someone is aying
something that is impossible, they might say "I just don't understand
how such a thing could be possible." This is the same thing as saying
"I don't see how what you are saying could be true."

And "There is no record of tuberculated teeth that far back" is
gentle way of saying "Are you *sure that you don't want to look at
your data again, or you methodology? Or perhaps up your medication?"

In other words, it's not a rock, what ever he looked at, but he
doesn't believe Ed is competent and honest.

Mr. Lin, which is more likely - that all scientists in the pertinent
fields are clueless, or that someone you met over the internet is
crazy or dishonest?

Kermit

Fossil Lin

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Apr 4, 2009, 11:58:59 PM4/4/09
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On 4月5日, 上午11時16分, Fossil Lin <fossil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Prof. Wilton Krogman, the author of "Human Skeleton in Forensic
> Medicine", had this to say about the premolar which he identified from
> another Carboniferous human skull discovered by Mr. Ed Conrad:
>
> http://fossil-id.googlegroups.com/web/REUPLOAD%20krogman%20on%20premo...

>
> That human skull was the very first fossil discovered by Mr. Conrad.
> He took the skull to the Smithsonian Institue, which declared in three
> minutes that it was a rock.
> Please note above quotes were not invented by Mr. Conrad.

The premoloar tooth fossil in Ed's second Carboniferous human skull
fossil is
shown and marked clearly at:
http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=13&f=1588696784&p=76

Also, I guess the Smithsonian Institute declared it was a rock
probably because Ed told them it was found near Shenandoah, PA.

Fossil Lin

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Apr 5, 2009, 12:05:23 AM4/5/09
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All scientists in the pertinent fields are clueless about the origin
of human origin.
The Smithsonian Institue claimed, without thinking for more than 3
minutes, that it was a rock when they heard Ed say it was found in
Shenandoah, Pa.

unrestra...@hotmail.com

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Apr 5, 2009, 1:53:34 AM4/5/09
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The truth is that you know nothing about paleontology, evolution,
geology, or any of the sciences. It is arrogant and ignorant to think
that people who have spent decades learning a subject and researching
it, and their community which has accumulated data for generations
would be overturned by an outsider with no education in the subject.

I have seen many of Ed's pictures, and mostly they are just rocks.
"Seeing" things in them is no more significant than seeing rabbits or
turtles in rain clouds. You are wasting your time with Ed, when you
could be learning real things. Take some classes in your local
university.

Kermit

unrestra...@hotmail.com

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Apr 5, 2009, 1:57:09 AM4/5/09
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Looks like a rock to me. Did you notice that the link in your first
post doesn't actually show a photocopy of a paper written by Krogman?
It shows a scan of a paper typed by Ed claiming what Klogman says.

Ed is sick, and he lies. He lied to you.

Kermit

Ye Old One

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Apr 5, 2009, 2:53:07 AM4/5/09
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On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:05:23 -0700 (PDT), Fossil Lin
<foss...@gmail.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

Now you are really being stupid.

>The Smithsonian Institue claimed, without thinking for more than 3
>minutes, that it was a rock when they heard Ed say it was found in
>Shenandoah, Pa.

If it was from the Carboniferous era then it most certainly was not a
human skull.

--
Bob.

Ye Old One

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Apr 5, 2009, 2:54:08 AM4/5/09
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On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 20:58:59 -0700 (PDT), Fossil Lin

<foss...@gmail.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

>On 4?5?, ??11?16?, Fossil Lin <fossil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Prof. Wilton Krogman, the author of "Human Skeleton in Forensic
>> Medicine", had this to say about the premolar which he identified from
>> another Carboniferous human skull discovered by Mr. Ed Conrad:
>>
>> http://fossil-id.googlegroups.com/web/REUPLOAD%20krogman%20on%20premo...
>>
>> That human skull was the very first fossil discovered by Mr. Conrad.
>> He took the skull to the Smithsonian Institue, which declared in three
>> minutes that it was a rock.
>> Please note above quotes were not invented by Mr. Conrad.
>
>The premoloar tooth fossil in Ed's second Carboniferous human

Humans did not live in that Era.

>skull
>fossil is
>shown and marked clearly at:
>http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=13&f=1588696784&p=76
>
>Also, I guess the Smithsonian Institute declared it was a rock
>probably because Ed told them it was found near Shenandoah, PA.

--
Bob.

Burkhard

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Apr 5, 2009, 3:24:30 AM4/5/09
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On 5 Apr, 04:16, Fossil Lin <fossil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Prof. Wilton Krogman, the author of "Human Skeleton in Forensic
> Medicine", had this to say about the premolar which he identified from
> another Carboniferous human skull discovered by Mr. Ed Conrad:
>
> http://fossil-id.googlegroups.com/web/REUPLOAD%20krogman%20on%20premo...

>
> That human skull was the very first fossil discovered by Mr. Conrad.
> He took the skull to the Smithsonian Institue, which declared in three
> minutes that it was a rock.
> Please note above quotes were not invented by Mr. Conrad.

....but possibly taken out of context - why not a copy of the
original, especially
the part where the phosphate and calcium he talks about has actually
been chemically identified in the rock, err, pardon, tooth

Fossil Lin

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Apr 5, 2009, 8:38:34 AM4/5/09
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Correction: Prof. Krogman identified the premolar tooth in a
Carboniferous skull of a large bi-pedal animal, not necessarily of a
human being.

On 4月5日, 上午11時16分, Fossil Lin <fossil...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Prof. Wilton Krogman, the author of "Human Skeleton in Forensic
> Medicine", had this to say about the premolar which he identified from
> another Carboniferous human skull discovered by Mr. Ed Conrad:
>

> http://fossil-id.googlegroups.com/web/REUPLOAD%20krogman%20on%20premo...

Desertphile

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Apr 5, 2009, 8:53:34 AM4/5/09
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On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 20:16:17 -0700 (PDT), Fossil Lin
<foss...@gmail.com> wrote:

> another Carboniferous human skull discovered by Mr. Ed Conrad:

Got any evidence for that claim?


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J.J. O'Shea

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Apr 5, 2009, 9:41:31 AM4/5/09
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On Sun, 5 Apr 2009 02:53:07 -0400, Ye Old One wrote
(in article <58lgt4loig8q1m5n2...@4ax.com>):

Nah, he's just being Edlike.

>
>> The Smithsonian Institue claimed, without thinking for more than 3
>> minutes, that it was a rock when they heard Ed say it was found in
>> Shenandoah, Pa.
>
> If it was from the Carboniferous era then it most certainly was not a
> human skull.
>

Maybe it was one of madman/uriel's trilobites.


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VoiceOfReason

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Apr 5, 2009, 11:03:59 AM4/5/09
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On Apr 4, 11:16 pm, Fossil Lin <fossil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Prof. Wilton Krogman, the author of "Human Skeleton in Forensic
> Medicine", had this to say about the premolar which he identified from
> another Carboniferous human skull discovered by Mr. Ed Conrad:

Ed's a well-known net.kook, and his bones are bogus.

Ye Old One

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Apr 5, 2009, 12:15:28 PM4/5/09
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Which is, of course, the same as being really stupid :)


>
>>
>>> The Smithsonian Institue claimed, without thinking for more than 3
>>> minutes, that it was a rock when they heard Ed say it was found in
>>> Shenandoah, Pa.
>>
>> If it was from the Carboniferous era then it most certainly was not a
>> human skull.
>>
>
>Maybe it was one of madman/uriel's trilobites.

No, it isn't a mammal.

--
Bob.

Mike Dworetsky

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Apr 5, 2009, 2:21:17 PM4/5/09
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"Fossil Lin" <foss...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Correction: Prof. Krogman identified the premolar tooth in a
> Carboniferous skull of a large bi-pedal animal, not necessarily of a
> human being.
>

Can you post an actual document originating from Krogman where he states
this? And how can your tell from a tooth whether a creature walks on two or
four legs?

> On 4月5日, 上午11時16分, Fossil Lin <fossil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Prof. Wilton Krogman, the author of "Human Skeleton in Forensic
>> Medicine", had this to say about the premolar which he identified from
>> another Carboniferous human skull discovered by Mr. Ed Conrad:
>>
>> http://fossil-id.googlegroups.com/web/REUPLOAD%20krogman%20on%20premo...
>>
>> That human skull was the very first fossil discovered by Mr. Conrad.
>> He took the skull to the Smithsonian Institue, which declared in three
>> minutes that it was a rock.
>> Please note above quotes were not invented by Mr. Conrad.
>

Smart people, those Smithsonian guys. They certainly know their rocks.

--
Mike Dworetsky

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