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JacobSmith
Feb 2, 2012, 12:24:59 PM2/2/12
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Intelligent Design and the Fallacy of Annihilation
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/science.htm#Intelligent_Design_and_the_Fallacy_of_Annihilation
The scientific method is reinforced by using "intelligent design".
The Santorum Amendment "promoted the teaching of
intelligent design while questioning the academic standing
of evolution in U.S. public schools."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorum_Amendment
In fact, intelligent design is the result of all true investigations;
theories presented and subsequent orderly facts displayed.
The teaching of evolution as "fact", lessens the process of
academic rigor, within every facet of science curricula. The
process of evolution is not presented with record credibility;
i.e., the evidence offered is hinged upon the unproven theory,
instead of the records of observations obtained being the
initiating force behind the theoretical postulations offered.
Since the records of observations cannot be obtained by
scientists, due to lack of testing instrumentality; (i.e., for
example, no instruments on earth can endure the possibility
of being placed upon the surface of the Sun and function).
Science is not science when it theorizes into the infinite;
assuming it can declare authoritatively what is and is not,
when there is absolutely no possibility it can functionally
measure it. Evolution, the Big Bang Theory, etc., are NIL
on academic rigor. Eternal intelligence is an ordered universe.
Clearly defined, the conjunction of Evolution and Big Bang Theory
is nothing more or less than a new distortion in medieval Astrology.
which "consists of a number of belief systems which hold that
there is a relationship between astronomical phenomena
and events in the human world.". . . ."it is a pseudoscience
because it makes little attempt to develop solutions to its problems,
[when there is absolutely no possibility it can functionally measure
it.]
shows no concern for the evaluation of competing theories,
and is selective in considering confirmations and dis-confirmations."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrology
All man made materials are limited by a physical
time differential that does not exceed the depth of
the periods of time under consideration. The fact
that all evaluations are made by physical properties
that are subject to the laws of physics, makes each
evaluation resource limited by the measuring
device itself, which is subject to radioactive
decay. Age calculating all instruments and placing
them within their sphere as to time, relative to
radioactive decay, means that they are each
restricted to a measuring capacity, related
to their own decay process.
No material instrument exists that spans back
to the time of the origins of the Universe.
Therefore, the beginnings of time cannot be
evaluated and any sequence of events proposed
cannot be valid by itself, unless it undertakes
the comprehension of the immediate whole
of the known and unknown Universe. This
is a very real impossibility within the framework
of the finite, mortal human mind, for it is noted
homo sapiens indeed are also subject to death,
as well as other related human imperfections.
Evolutionary "theory" transcends many periods of time,
engineered with "just guessing" adjustments which
result in mixed conclusions. This "Evolutionary GPS"
is not able to send out correct directional signals,
by any trilateration of events in a five-dimensional space.
"Many spacetime continua have physical interpretations
which most physicists would consider bizarre or unsettling.
For example, a compact spacetime has closed timelike
curves, which violate our usual ideas of causality (that is,
future events could affect past ones)." “For us believing
physicists, the distinction between past, present, and future
is only an illusion, even if a stubborn one.” —Albert Einstein.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime
"Evolutionary GPS" is derived from the black hole
information paradox, which suggests "that physical
information could disappear in a black hole, allowing
many physical states to evolve into the same state."
In other words, "the universe is largely chaotic",
because information conservation is not preserved
within the quantum realm. The concept is covered in
biology as DNA mutation, at the genetic level, as
[all current species being descended from a single
common ancestor, ]
The very foundations of evolution as presented from
Darwin, forward and backwards in time, are a cause
of great contention, since in very principle, their
assertions violate the physics principle wherein any
complete information about a physical system at one
point in time, should determine its state at any other
time, as found in its wave function, from the standpoint
of quantum mechanics. The Big Bang and related
theories project the same error, such as the Big Rip,
or "the ultimate fate of the universe, in which the
matter of the universe, from stars and galaxies to
atoms and subatomic particles, is progressively
torn apart by the expansion of the universe at
a certain time in the future."
This is completely contradicted within quantum wave level
integrated metabolic processes, of all cells and organisms.
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/science.htm#References
(1) Biophotons are weak emissions of light radiated
from the cells of all living things. A photon is a single
particle of light. Plants, animals and humans generate
up to 100 photons per second, per .15 square inches
(1 sq. centimeter) of surface area. The light is too faint
to be seen by the naked eye, but biophotons have
been detected and verified using photomultiplier tubes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biophoton
According to a leading researcher of biophotons,
German biophysicist Fritz-Albert Popp, light is
constantly being absorbed and remitted by DNA
molecules within each cell's nucleus. These
biophotons create a dynamic, coherent web of light.
A system that could be responsible for chemical
reactions within the cells, cellular communication
throughout the organism, and the overall regulation
of the biological system, including embryonic
development into a predetermined form.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-biophotons.htm
(2) Are humans really beings of light? OR:
Is DNA the next Internet?
. . .
"Veljkovic and Cosic proposed that molecular
interactions are electrical in nature, and they
take place over distances that are large compared
with the size of molecules. Cosic later introduced
the idea of dynamic electromagnetic field interactions,
that molecules recognize their particular targets
and vice versa by electromagnetic resonance.
In other words, the molecules send out specific
frequencies of electromagnetic waves which not
only enable them to 'see' and 'hear' each other,
as both photon and phonon modes exist for
electromagnetic waves, but also to influence
each other at a distance and become ineluctably
drawn to each other if vibrating out of phase
(in a complementary way)." --
The Real Bioinformatics Revolution:
Proteins and Nucleic Acids Singing to One Another?
. . .
"There are about 100,000 chemical reactions
happening in every cell each second. The chemical
reaction can only happen if the molecule which
is reacting is excited by a photon... Once the photon
has excited a reaction it returns to the field and is
available for more reactions... We are swimming
in an ocean of light."
http://www.viewzone.com/dnax.html
(3) APS » Journals » Rev. Mod. Phys
. » Volume 75 » Issue 2
Rev. Mod. Phys. 75, 559–606 (2003)
The cosmological constant and dark energy
"Physics welcomes the idea that space contains
energy whose gravitational effect approximates
that of Einstein’s cosmological constant, Λ;
today the concept is termed dark energy
or quintessence."
http://rmp.aps.org/abstract/RMP/v75/i2/p559_1
(4) Biophotons are weak emissions of light radiated
from the cells of all living things, which together, in
the total Universe, communicate "energy whose
gravitational effect approximates that of Einstein’s
cosmological constant, Λ"; i.e., the "quintessence."
[Divine energy, power, or influence that proceeds
from God through Christ and gives life and light
to all things. It is the law by which all things are
governed in heaven and on earth.
Doctrine & Covenants 88:6–13]
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/light-light-of-christ.p2?lang=eng&letter=l
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/88.6-13?lang=eng#5
(5) A sub set of this process is found in the modern
technology found in cloud computing, which describes
all data that is floating around in Internet space. In like
manner, biophotons throughout the whole of the Universe,
create a dynamic, coherent web of interconnected light.
(6) Thus, essentially and truthfully, Evolution and
Big Bang are conceptually, statements of a belief
in annihilation, as [defined as "total destruction"
or "complete obliteration" of an object.] This could
only occur if it were possible to create, or in the
Universe, there was a vacuum state. Conversely,
it has been suggested, that even for matter that
falls into a black hole, "information gets imprinted,
forever and ever, onto the surface of that black hole's
event horizon". Therefore, in principle, evolution
is an invalid theory and the Big Bang hypothesis
fails miserably, in replicating or copying the
messages found in the elements and in life forms.
http://max1.hosteur.com/~laserp/anglais/gariaev.pdf
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/science.htm#Intelligent_Design_and_the_Fallacy_of_Annihilation
The scientific method is reinforced by using "intelligent design".
The Santorum Amendment "promoted the teaching of
intelligent design while questioning the academic standing
of evolution in U.S. public schools."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorum_Amendment
In fact, intelligent design is the result of all true investigations;
theories presented and subsequent orderly facts displayed.
The teaching of evolution as "fact", lessens the process of
academic rigor, within every facet of science curricula. The
process of evolution is not presented with record credibility;
i.e., the evidence offered is hinged upon the unproven theory,
instead of the records of observations obtained being the
initiating force behind the theoretical postulations offered.
Since the records of observations cannot be obtained by
scientists, due to lack of testing instrumentality; (i.e., for
example, no instruments on earth can endure the possibility
of being placed upon the surface of the Sun and function).
Science is not science when it theorizes into the infinite;
assuming it can declare authoritatively what is and is not,
when there is absolutely no possibility it can functionally
measure it. Evolution, the Big Bang Theory, etc., are NIL
on academic rigor. Eternal intelligence is an ordered universe.
Clearly defined, the conjunction of Evolution and Big Bang Theory
is nothing more or less than a new distortion in medieval Astrology.
which "consists of a number of belief systems which hold that
there is a relationship between astronomical phenomena
and events in the human world.". . . ."it is a pseudoscience
because it makes little attempt to develop solutions to its problems,
[when there is absolutely no possibility it can functionally measure
it.]
shows no concern for the evaluation of competing theories,
and is selective in considering confirmations and dis-confirmations."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrology
All man made materials are limited by a physical
time differential that does not exceed the depth of
the periods of time under consideration. The fact
that all evaluations are made by physical properties
that are subject to the laws of physics, makes each
evaluation resource limited by the measuring
device itself, which is subject to radioactive
decay. Age calculating all instruments and placing
them within their sphere as to time, relative to
radioactive decay, means that they are each
restricted to a measuring capacity, related
to their own decay process.
No material instrument exists that spans back
to the time of the origins of the Universe.
Therefore, the beginnings of time cannot be
evaluated and any sequence of events proposed
cannot be valid by itself, unless it undertakes
the comprehension of the immediate whole
of the known and unknown Universe. This
is a very real impossibility within the framework
of the finite, mortal human mind, for it is noted
homo sapiens indeed are also subject to death,
as well as other related human imperfections.
Evolutionary "theory" transcends many periods of time,
engineered with "just guessing" adjustments which
result in mixed conclusions. This "Evolutionary GPS"
is not able to send out correct directional signals,
by any trilateration of events in a five-dimensional space.
"Many spacetime continua have physical interpretations
which most physicists would consider bizarre or unsettling.
For example, a compact spacetime has closed timelike
curves, which violate our usual ideas of causality (that is,
future events could affect past ones)." “For us believing
physicists, the distinction between past, present, and future
is only an illusion, even if a stubborn one.” —Albert Einstein.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime
"Evolutionary GPS" is derived from the black hole
information paradox, which suggests "that physical
information could disappear in a black hole, allowing
many physical states to evolve into the same state."
In other words, "the universe is largely chaotic",
because information conservation is not preserved
within the quantum realm. The concept is covered in
biology as DNA mutation, at the genetic level, as
[all current species being descended from a single
common ancestor, ]
The very foundations of evolution as presented from
Darwin, forward and backwards in time, are a cause
of great contention, since in very principle, their
assertions violate the physics principle wherein any
complete information about a physical system at one
point in time, should determine its state at any other
time, as found in its wave function, from the standpoint
of quantum mechanics. The Big Bang and related
theories project the same error, such as the Big Rip,
or "the ultimate fate of the universe, in which the
matter of the universe, from stars and galaxies to
atoms and subatomic particles, is progressively
torn apart by the expansion of the universe at
a certain time in the future."
This is completely contradicted within quantum wave level
integrated metabolic processes, of all cells and organisms.
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/science.htm#References
(1) Biophotons are weak emissions of light radiated
from the cells of all living things. A photon is a single
particle of light. Plants, animals and humans generate
up to 100 photons per second, per .15 square inches
(1 sq. centimeter) of surface area. The light is too faint
to be seen by the naked eye, but biophotons have
been detected and verified using photomultiplier tubes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biophoton
According to a leading researcher of biophotons,
German biophysicist Fritz-Albert Popp, light is
constantly being absorbed and remitted by DNA
molecules within each cell's nucleus. These
biophotons create a dynamic, coherent web of light.
A system that could be responsible for chemical
reactions within the cells, cellular communication
throughout the organism, and the overall regulation
of the biological system, including embryonic
development into a predetermined form.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-biophotons.htm
(2) Are humans really beings of light? OR:
Is DNA the next Internet?
. . .
"Veljkovic and Cosic proposed that molecular
interactions are electrical in nature, and they
take place over distances that are large compared
with the size of molecules. Cosic later introduced
the idea of dynamic electromagnetic field interactions,
that molecules recognize their particular targets
and vice versa by electromagnetic resonance.
In other words, the molecules send out specific
frequencies of electromagnetic waves which not
only enable them to 'see' and 'hear' each other,
as both photon and phonon modes exist for
electromagnetic waves, but also to influence
each other at a distance and become ineluctably
drawn to each other if vibrating out of phase
(in a complementary way)." --
The Real Bioinformatics Revolution:
Proteins and Nucleic Acids Singing to One Another?
. . .
"There are about 100,000 chemical reactions
happening in every cell each second. The chemical
reaction can only happen if the molecule which
is reacting is excited by a photon... Once the photon
has excited a reaction it returns to the field and is
available for more reactions... We are swimming
in an ocean of light."
http://www.viewzone.com/dnax.html
(3) APS » Journals » Rev. Mod. Phys
. » Volume 75 » Issue 2
Rev. Mod. Phys. 75, 559–606 (2003)
The cosmological constant and dark energy
"Physics welcomes the idea that space contains
energy whose gravitational effect approximates
that of Einstein’s cosmological constant, Λ;
today the concept is termed dark energy
or quintessence."
http://rmp.aps.org/abstract/RMP/v75/i2/p559_1
(4) Biophotons are weak emissions of light radiated
from the cells of all living things, which together, in
the total Universe, communicate "energy whose
gravitational effect approximates that of Einstein’s
cosmological constant, Λ"; i.e., the "quintessence."
[Divine energy, power, or influence that proceeds
from God through Christ and gives life and light
to all things. It is the law by which all things are
governed in heaven and on earth.
Doctrine & Covenants 88:6–13]
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/gs/light-light-of-christ.p2?lang=eng&letter=l
http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/88.6-13?lang=eng#5
(5) A sub set of this process is found in the modern
technology found in cloud computing, which describes
all data that is floating around in Internet space. In like
manner, biophotons throughout the whole of the Universe,
create a dynamic, coherent web of interconnected light.
(6) Thus, essentially and truthfully, Evolution and
Big Bang are conceptually, statements of a belief
in annihilation, as [defined as "total destruction"
or "complete obliteration" of an object.] This could
only occur if it were possible to create, or in the
Universe, there was a vacuum state. Conversely,
it has been suggested, that even for matter that
falls into a black hole, "information gets imprinted,
forever and ever, onto the surface of that black hole's
event horizon". Therefore, in principle, evolution
is an invalid theory and the Big Bang hypothesis
fails miserably, in replicating or copying the
messages found in the elements and in life forms.
http://max1.hosteur.com/~laserp/anglais/gariaev.pdf
David Hare-Scott
Feb 2, 2012, 4:00:22 PM2/2/12
to
improvement in accuracy or reason. The numbered paragraphs and references
are quite impressive, that's about all. Why don't you have a go at
interpreting Revelations?
David
John Vreeland
Feb 2, 2012, 5:18:23 PM2/2/12
to
On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 08:00:22 +1100, "David Hare-Scott"
<sec...@nospam.com> wrote:
>JacobSmith wrote:
>> Intelligent Design and the Fallacy of Annihilation
>> http://www.academic-genealogy.com/science.htm#Intelligent_Design_and_the_Fallacy_of_Annihilation
>>
[esnippage]
<sec...@nospam.com> wrote:
>JacobSmith wrote:
>> Intelligent Design and the Fallacy of Annihilation
>> http://www.academic-genealogy.com/science.htm#Intelligent_Design_and_the_Fallacy_of_Annihilation
>>
>Your regurgitator seems to be gaining strength with use. Sadly there is no
>improvement in accuracy or reason. The numbered paragraphs and references
>are quite impressive, that's about all. Why don't you have a go at
>interpreting Revelations?
>
>David
understood that guy; is he going through a mid-life crisis or
something?
--
Some aspects of life would be a lot easier if Creationists were required to carry warning signs. Fortunately, many of them already do.
chris thompson
Feb 2, 2012, 6:01:36 PM2/2/12
to
On Feb 2, 12:24 pm, JacobSmith <vctin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Intelligent Design and the Fallacy of Annihilationhttp://www.academic-genealogy.com/science.htm#Intelligent_Design_and_...
A concise kook is a contradiction.
Chris
> Intelligent Design and the Fallacy of Annihilationhttp://www.academic-genealogy.com/science.htm#Intelligent_Design_and_...
>
> The scientific method is reinforced by using "intelligent design".
> The Santorum Amendment "promoted the teaching of
> intelligent design while questioning the academic standing
> of evolution in U.S. public schools."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorum_Amendment
>
Just honing my alliteration skills:
> The scientific method is reinforced by using "intelligent design".
> The Santorum Amendment "promoted the teaching of
> intelligent design while questioning the academic standing
> of evolution in U.S. public schools."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorum_Amendment
>
A concise kook is a contradiction.
Chris
JacobSmith
Feb 2, 2012, 8:21:41 PM2/2/12
to
On Feb 2, 2:18 pm, John Vreeland <john.vreel...@ieee.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 08:00:22 +1100, "David Hare-Scott"
>
> <sec...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >JacobSmith wrote:
> >> Intelligent Design and the Fallacy of Annihilation
> >>http://www.academic-genealogy.com/science.htm#Intelligent_Design_and_...
> On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 08:00:22 +1100, "David Hare-Scott"
>
> <sec...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >JacobSmith wrote:
> >> Intelligent Design and the Fallacy of Annihilation
>
> [esnippage]
>
> >Your regurgitator seems to be gaining strength with use. Sadly there is no
> >improvement in accuracy or reason. The numbered paragraphs and references
> >are quite impressive, that's about all. Why don't you have a go at
> >interpreting Revelations?
>
> >David
>
> Failing that, maybe he could explain Batman to me. I've never
> understood that guy; is he going through a mid-life crisis or
> something?
> --
> Some aspects of life would be a lot easier if Creationists were required to carry warning signs. Fortunately, many of them already do.
-------------------
> [esnippage]
>
> >Your regurgitator seems to be gaining strength with use. Sadly there is no
> >improvement in accuracy or reason. The numbered paragraphs and references
> >are quite impressive, that's about all. Why don't you have a go at
> >interpreting Revelations?
>
> >David
>
> Failing that, maybe he could explain Batman to me. I've never
> understood that guy; is he going through a mid-life crisis or
> something?
> --
> Some aspects of life would be a lot easier if Creationists were required to carry warning signs. Fortunately, many of them already do.
REPLY:
I do not interpret Revelations. I have no authority to do so.
I am too old for a mid-life crisis. I am listed as a genealogy
research specialist. As such, I evaluate and compare all
record sources dispassionately, for rational considerations.
It is not my opinions I present. I have done a lot of reading
in my life. Spent about three years investigating UC Libraries.
I will note the following for your interest. It comes from
A Discourse by President Brigham Young, Delivered in
the Tabernacle, Great Salt Lake City, February 27, 1853.
It is a very short quote, re: Organization and Disorganization
. . .
In the first place, matter is eternal. The principle of annihilation,
of striking out of existence anything that has existed, or had
a being, so as to leave an empty space which that thing
occupied, is false, there is no such principle in all the eternities.
. . .
It cannot be annihilated; you cannot annihilate matter.
If you could, it would prove there was empty space.
If philosophers could annihilate the least conceivable
amount of matter, they could then prove there was
the minutest vacuum, or empty space; but there is
not even that much, and it is beyond the power
of man to prove that there is any.
http://jod.mrm.org/1/112
Now, intelligent Albert Einstein says the same thing,
from a scientific Jewish standpoint, of course, and
much later in time, since this was from A.D. 1853.
----------------------------------------------------------
Now as for the "stoic" Batman, I note:
. . .
Batman and Robin are camping in the desert,
set up their tent and are asleep. Some hours later,
Batman wakes his faithful friend. "Robin, look up
at the sky and tell me what you see."
Robin replies, " I see millions of stars."
"What does that tell you?" asks Batman.
Robin ponders for a minute.
"Astronomically speaking, it tells me that there
are millions of galaxies and potentially billions of planets.
Astrologically, it tells me that Saturn is in Leo.
Chronologically, it appears to be
approximately a quarter past three.
Theologically, it's evident the Lord
is all-powerful and we are small and insignificant.
Meteorologically, it seems
we will have a beautiful day tomorrow.
What does it tell you, Batman?"
Batman is silent for a moment, then speaks:
" Robin, you idiot, someone has stolen our tent."
http://www.angelfire.com/hero/batgirl1/Batmanjokes.html
I hope I have not stolen all of your thunder.
alextangent
Feb 3, 2012, 6:56:19 AM2/3/12
to
On Feb 3, 1:21 am, JacobSmith <vctin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I will note the following for your interest. It comes from
You've mistaken the nature of discourse on T.O. Any time science
>
> I will note the following for your interest. It comes from
illiterate wingnuts post up religious writings, they're not the
subject of interest; they're the subject of ridicule.
> A Discourse by President Brigham Young, Delivered in
> the Tabernacle, Great Salt Lake City, February 27, 1853.
> It is a very short quote, re: Organization and Disorganization
> . . .
> In the first place, matter is eternal. The principle of annihilation,
> of striking out of existence anything that has existed, or had
> a being, so as to leave an empty space which that thing
> occupied, is false, there is no such principle in all the eternities.
> . . .
> It cannot be annihilated; you cannot annihilate matter.
> If you could, it would prove there was empty space.
> If philosophers could annihilate the least conceivable
> amount of matter, they could then prove there was
> the minutest vacuum, or empty space; but there is
> not even that much, and it is beyond the power
> of man to prove that there is any.http://jod.mrm.org/1/112
>
> Now, intelligent Albert Einstein says the same thing,
> from a scientific Jewish standpoint, of course, and
> much later in time, since this was from A.D. 1853.
> ----------------------------------------------------------
somehow, makes it relevant and right. Silly old me.
Steven L.
Feb 3, 2012, 7:52:57 AM2/3/12
to
"JacobSmith" <vcti...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5ccfff81-fdac-4800...@ov1g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:
> Since the records of observations cannot be obtained by
> scientists, due to lack of testing instrumentality; (i.e., for
> example, no instruments on earth can endure the possibility
> of being placed upon the surface of the Sun and function).
> Science is not science when it theorizes into the infinite;
> assuming it can declare authoritatively what is and is not,
> when there is absolutely no possibility it can functionally
> measure it. Evolution, the Big Bang Theory, etc., are NIL
> on academic rigor.
Yeah, we just can't trust anything we see through our telescopes and
spectroscopes and the Ulysses space probe.
That really lays it on the line.
We might as well go back to geocentrism.
-- Steven L.
news:5ccfff81-fdac-4800...@ov1g2000pbb.googlegroups.com:
> Since the records of observations cannot be obtained by
> scientists, due to lack of testing instrumentality; (i.e., for
> example, no instruments on earth can endure the possibility
> of being placed upon the surface of the Sun and function).
> Science is not science when it theorizes into the infinite;
> assuming it can declare authoritatively what is and is not,
> when there is absolutely no possibility it can functionally
> measure it. Evolution, the Big Bang Theory, etc., are NIL
> on academic rigor.
spectroscopes and the Ulysses space probe.
That really lays it on the line.
We might as well go back to geocentrism.
-- Steven L.
JacobSmith
Feb 3, 2012, 12:09:46 PM2/3/12
to
On Feb 3, 4:52 am, "Steven L." <sdlit...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "JacobSmith" <vctin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
-------------------------
REPLY:
Actually read your own limitations in your own literature.
NASA says:
. . .
The nature of the processes that heat the corona,
maintain it at these high temperatures, and accelerate
the solar wind is a third great solar mystery.
. . .
Several mechanisms have been suggested
as the source of this heating but there is no
consensus on which one, or combination,
is actually responsible.
. . .
The precise causes of solar flares and coronal
mass ejections is another one of the great solar
mysteries. Here again, we now know many details
about these explosive events and we understand
the basic mechanisms, but many details are missing.
We still cannot reliably predict when and where a flare
will occur or how big it will be. This problem is a little
like trying to predict tornadoes.
. . .
The nature and causes of the sunspot cycle
constitute one of the great mysteries of solar
astronomy. While we now know many details
about the sunspot cycle, (and also about some
of the dynamo processes that must play key
roles in producing it), we are still unable to
produce a model that will allow us to reliably
predict future sunspot numbers using basic
physical principles. This problem is a little
like trying to predict the severity of next
year's winter or summer weather.
. . .
The Sun should produce more than twice
as many neutrinos than are observed.
. . .
This has led many scientists to question
our understanding of neutrinos themselves.
This final mystery may thus shake some
of the foundations of Physics itself.
. . .
http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/quests.shtml
As yet, no one on this list has gone out of the
influence of the solar wind, or, as far as I know,
has been able to technically investigate the Universe
from outside the solar wind area of the Universe,
and bring the data back into the area of the solar
wind, without realizing the possibility of distortions.
http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/SolarWind.shtml
The surprising thing about the waves that Cluster
observed is that they pointed perpendicular to the
magnetic field. This is in contrast to previous work
from the Helios spacecraft, which in the 1970’s
examined magnetic waves closer to the sun.
That work found magnetic waves running parallel
to the magnetic field, which can send particles
moving in tight circular orbits – a process known
as cyclotron resonance -- thus giving them a kick
in both energy and temperature.
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/sunearthsystem/main/cluster-turbulence.html
For anyone on this list who actually reads the literature,
(1) From actions on the earth to actions on the sun,
there is still a tremendous amount of mystery and
gross uncertainty, which questions many of
the current scientific knowledge systems.
Now this is what NASA says, not what I say.
(2) No real credibility or confidence can be placed
on esoteric theories based upon such models;
i.e., "understood by or meant for only the select
few who have special knowledge or interest",
when extrapolated to include the whole universe.
(3) Until and unless a more basic understanding
of the workings of our immediate area of the solar
system are presented, it is unreasonable to assume
origins of the Universe are capable of comprehension,
at least, from the limited perspective of the scientist.
> "JacobSmith" <vctin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
REPLY:
Actually read your own limitations in your own literature.
NASA says:
. . .
The nature of the processes that heat the corona,
maintain it at these high temperatures, and accelerate
the solar wind is a third great solar mystery.
. . .
Several mechanisms have been suggested
as the source of this heating but there is no
consensus on which one, or combination,
is actually responsible.
. . .
The precise causes of solar flares and coronal
mass ejections is another one of the great solar
mysteries. Here again, we now know many details
about these explosive events and we understand
the basic mechanisms, but many details are missing.
We still cannot reliably predict when and where a flare
will occur or how big it will be. This problem is a little
like trying to predict tornadoes.
. . .
The nature and causes of the sunspot cycle
constitute one of the great mysteries of solar
astronomy. While we now know many details
about the sunspot cycle, (and also about some
of the dynamo processes that must play key
roles in producing it), we are still unable to
produce a model that will allow us to reliably
predict future sunspot numbers using basic
physical principles. This problem is a little
like trying to predict the severity of next
year's winter or summer weather.
. . .
The Sun should produce more than twice
as many neutrinos than are observed.
. . .
This has led many scientists to question
our understanding of neutrinos themselves.
This final mystery may thus shake some
of the foundations of Physics itself.
. . .
http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/quests.shtml
As yet, no one on this list has gone out of the
influence of the solar wind, or, as far as I know,
has been able to technically investigate the Universe
from outside the solar wind area of the Universe,
and bring the data back into the area of the solar
wind, without realizing the possibility of distortions.
http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/SolarWind.shtml
The surprising thing about the waves that Cluster
observed is that they pointed perpendicular to the
magnetic field. This is in contrast to previous work
from the Helios spacecraft, which in the 1970’s
examined magnetic waves closer to the sun.
That work found magnetic waves running parallel
to the magnetic field, which can send particles
moving in tight circular orbits – a process known
as cyclotron resonance -- thus giving them a kick
in both energy and temperature.
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/sunearthsystem/main/cluster-turbulence.html
For anyone on this list who actually reads the literature,
(1) From actions on the earth to actions on the sun,
there is still a tremendous amount of mystery and
gross uncertainty, which questions many of
the current scientific knowledge systems.
Now this is what NASA says, not what I say.
(2) No real credibility or confidence can be placed
on esoteric theories based upon such models;
i.e., "understood by or meant for only the select
few who have special knowledge or interest",
when extrapolated to include the whole universe.
(3) Until and unless a more basic understanding
of the workings of our immediate area of the solar
system are presented, it is unreasonable to assume
origins of the Universe are capable of comprehension,
at least, from the limited perspective of the scientist.
alextangent
Feb 3, 2012, 1:09:22 PM2/3/12
to
>
> As yet, no one on this list has gone out of the
> influence of the solar wind, or, as far as I know,
> has been able to technically investigate the Universe
> from outside the solar wind area of the Universe,
> and bring the data back into the area of the solar
> wind, without realizing the possibility of distortions.http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/SolarWind.shtml
> As yet, no one on this list has gone out of the
> influence of the solar wind, or, as far as I know,
> has been able to technically investigate the Universe
> from outside the solar wind area of the Universe,
> and bring the data back into the area of the solar
>
> The surprising thing about the waves that Cluster
> observed is that they pointed perpendicular to the
> magnetic field. This is in contrast to previous work
> from the Helios spacecraft, which in the 1970’s
> examined magnetic waves closer to the sun.
> That work found magnetic waves running parallel
> to the magnetic field, which can send particles
> moving in tight circular orbits – a process known
> as cyclotron resonance -- thus giving them a kick
> in both energy and temperature.http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/sunearthsystem/main/cluster-tu...
> The surprising thing about the waves that Cluster
> observed is that they pointed perpendicular to the
> magnetic field. This is in contrast to previous work
> from the Helios spacecraft, which in the 1970’s
> examined magnetic waves closer to the sun.
> That work found magnetic waves running parallel
> to the magnetic field, which can send particles
> moving in tight circular orbits – a process known
> as cyclotron resonance -- thus giving them a kick
>
> For anyone on this list who actually reads the literature,
> (1) From actions on the earth to actions on the sun,
> there is still a tremendous amount of mystery and
> gross uncertainty, which questions many of
> the current scientific knowledge systems.
> Now this is what NASA says, not what I say.
> (2) No real credibility or confidence can be placed
> on esoteric theories based upon such models;
> i.e., "understood by or meant for only the select
> few who have special knowledge or interest",
> when extrapolated to include the whole universe.
> (3) Until and unless a more basic understanding
> of the workings of our immediate area of the solar
> system are presented, it is unreasonable to assume
> origins of the Universe are capable of comprehension,
> at least, from the limited perspective of the scientist.
Let's ignore for the moment that you don't have a clue about science.
> For anyone on this list who actually reads the literature,
> (1) From actions on the earth to actions on the sun,
> there is still a tremendous amount of mystery and
> gross uncertainty, which questions many of
> the current scientific knowledge systems.
> Now this is what NASA says, not what I say.
> (2) No real credibility or confidence can be placed
> on esoteric theories based upon such models;
> i.e., "understood by or meant for only the select
> few who have special knowledge or interest",
> when extrapolated to include the whole universe.
> (3) Until and unless a more basic understanding
> of the workings of our immediate area of the solar
> system are presented, it is unreasonable to assume
> origins of the Universe are capable of comprehension,
> at least, from the limited perspective of the scientist.
What you're saying is; we can know nothing until we know everything.
That makes you a nihilist. Except you're a special kind of nihilist;
one with a god. And you approvingly quote a little bit of Brigham
Young as "da troof" on exactly zero evidence.
Please share with us how that works.
JacobSmith
Feb 3, 2012, 9:50:25 PM2/3/12
to
On Feb 3, 10:09 am, alextangent <b...@rivadpm.com> wrote:
> On Feb 3, 5:09 pm, JacobSmith <vctin...@gmail.com> wrote:
. . .
> On Feb 3, 5:09 pm, JacobSmith <vctin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Let's ignore for the moment that you don't have a clue about science.
>
> What you're saying is; we can know nothing until we know everything.
> That makes you a nihilist. Except you're a special kind of nihilist;
> one with a god. And you approvingly quote a little bit of Brigham
> Young as "da troof" on exactly zero evidence.
>
> Please share with us how that works.
-----
> Let's ignore for the moment that you don't have a clue about science.
>
> What you're saying is; we can know nothing until we know everything.
> That makes you a nihilist. Except you're a special kind of nihilist;
> one with a god. And you approvingly quote a little bit of Brigham
> Young as "da troof" on exactly zero evidence.
>
> Please share with us how that works.
REPLY:
(5) A sub set of this process is found in the modern
technology found in cloud computing, which describes
all data that is floating around in Internet space. In like
manner, biophotons throughout the whole of the Universe,
create a dynamic, coherent web of interconnected light.
It is necessary to visualize the Universe from the standpoint
technology found in cloud computing, which describes
all data that is floating around in Internet space. In like
manner, biophotons throughout the whole of the Universe,
create a dynamic, coherent web of interconnected light.
of a "web of light". It is then acting in the same manner as
a good spider web. "The study showed that, as one might
expect, when any part of a web is perturbed, the whole web
reacts." Thus, even as a spider web is specifically constructed
to establish the "Path To Failure"; so likewise, on a larger scale,
"durability" is key to the survival of all life forms in the Universe.
http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=123041&org=NSF&from=news
A "spider's web is organized to sacrifice local areas
so that failure will not prevent the remaining web from
functioning, even if in a diminished capacity, says Carter.
"This is a clever strategy when the alternative is having
to make an entire, new web," he adds. The Universe is
expanding at an ever increasing rate, becoming more
complex and intense in order, with black holes being
local areas of failure that prevent the remaining total
areas of light in the Universe from malfunctioning.
http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cms/astro/cosmos
Galactic winds are streams of high speed
charged particles often observed blowing out
of galaxies. With speeds of between 300
and 3,000 km/sec, these winds can either
blow material out into the halo of the galaxy,
possibly to mix with the hot X-ray emitting
halo gas, or expel the matter from the galaxy
completely to mix with the intergalactic medium.
Galactic winds have two sources of energy:
starbursts and active galactic nuclei
(i.e. the supermassive black holes
lurking in the centres of most galaxies).
http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cms/astro/cosmos/g/Galactic+Winds
"According to the researchers' findings,
the failure of silk threads occurs at points
where the filament is disturbed by that
external force, but after failure, the web
returns to stability-- even in simulations
using broad forces, like hurricane-force winds."
http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_videos.jsp?cntn_id=123041&media_id=71871&org=NSF
AGWFacts
Feb 4, 2012, 12:16:13 AM2/4/12
to
On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 09:24:59 -0800 (PST), JacobSmith
<vcti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Intelligent Design and the Fallacy of Annihilation
Joseph Smith was a con man, a liar, and a crook.
<vcti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Intelligent Design and the Fallacy of Annihilation
--
"I'd like the globe to warm another degree or two or three... and CO2 levels
to increase perhaps another 100ppm - 300ppm." -- cato...@sympatico.ca
JacobSmith
Feb 4, 2012, 12:38:24 AM2/4/12
to
On Feb 3, 9:16 pm, AGWFacts <AGWFa...@ipcc.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 09:24:59 -0800 (PST), JacobSmith
>
> On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 09:24:59 -0800 (PST), JacobSmith
>
> <vctin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Intelligent Design and the Fallacy of Annihilation
>
> Joseph Smith was a con man, a liar, and a crook.
>
> --
> "I'd like the globe to warm another degree or two or three... and CO2 levels
> to increase perhaps another 100ppm - 300ppm." -- caton...@sympatico.ca
> > Intelligent Design and the Fallacy of Annihilation
>
> Joseph Smith was a con man, a liar, and a crook.
>
> --
> "I'd like the globe to warm another degree or two or three... and CO2 levels
REPLY:
Off Topic
Walter Bushell
Feb 4, 2012, 9:42:24 AM2/4/12
to
In article <onfpi7to0ldco1bne...@4ax.com>,
--
It is the nature of the human species to reject what is true but unpleasant
and to embrace what is obviously false but comforting. -- H. L. Mencken
AGWFacts <AGWF...@ipcc.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 09:24:59 -0800 (PST), JacobSmith
> <vcti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Intelligent Design and the Fallacy of Annihilation
>
> Joseph Smith was a con man, a liar, and a crook.
>
And those were his best qualities.
> On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 09:24:59 -0800 (PST), JacobSmith
> <vcti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Intelligent Design and the Fallacy of Annihilation
>
> Joseph Smith was a con man, a liar, and a crook.
>
--
It is the nature of the human species to reject what is true but unpleasant
and to embrace what is obviously false but comforting. -- H. L. Mencken
JacobSmith
Feb 4, 2012, 11:21:35 AM2/4/12
to
On Feb 4, 6:42 am, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
> In article <onfpi7to0ldco1bne34jnvcgiodsnfj...@4ax.com>,
REPLY:
Your character assassination is an ad hominem argument,
a logical fallacy and a distracting side issue, at the very best.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy
I do not offer "apologetics".
https://www.facebook.com/notes/thomas-milton-tinney-sr/i-am-not-offering-apologetics/164950856874258
> In article <onfpi7to0ldco1bne34jnvcgiodsnfj...@4ax.com>,
>
> AGWFacts <AGWFa...@ipcc.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 09:24:59 -0800 (PST), JacobSmith
> > <vctin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Intelligent Design and the Fallacy of Annihilation
>
> > Joseph Smith was a con man, a liar, and a crook.
>
> And those were his best qualities.
>
> --
> It is the nature of the human species to reject what is true but unpleasant
> and to embrace what is obviously false but comforting. -- H. L. Mencken
_____
> AGWFacts <AGWFa...@ipcc.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 09:24:59 -0800 (PST), JacobSmith
> > <vctin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Intelligent Design and the Fallacy of Annihilation
>
> > Joseph Smith was a con man, a liar, and a crook.
>
> And those were his best qualities.
>
> --
> It is the nature of the human species to reject what is true but unpleasant
> and to embrace what is obviously false but comforting. -- H. L. Mencken
REPLY:
Your character assassination is an ad hominem argument,
a logical fallacy and a distracting side issue, at the very best.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy
I do not offer "apologetics".
https://www.facebook.com/notes/thomas-milton-tinney-sr/i-am-not-offering-apologetics/164950856874258
alextangent
Feb 5, 2012, 7:20:40 AM2/5/12
to
On Feb 4, 2:50 am, JacobSmith <vctin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 3, 10:09 am, alextangent <b...@rivadpm.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3, 5:09 pm, JacobSmith <vctin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> . . .
>
> > Let's ignore for the moment that you don't have a clue about science.
>
> > What you're saying is; we can know nothing until we know everything.
> > That makes you a nihilist. Except you're a special kind of nihilist;
> > one with a god. And you approvingly quote a little bit of Brigham
> > Young as "da troof" on exactly zero evidence.
>
> > Please share with us how that works.
>
> -----
> REPLY:
> (5) A sub set of this process is found in the modern
> technology found in cloud computing, which describes
> all data that is floating around in Internet space. In like
> manner, biophotons throughout the whole of the Universe,
> create a dynamic, coherent web of interconnected light.
>
> It is necessary to visualize the Universe from the standpoint
> of a "web of light". It is then acting in the same manner as
> a good spider web. "The study showed that, as one might
> expect, when any part of a web is perturbed, the whole web
> reacts." Thus, even as a spider web is specifically constructed
> to establish the "Path To Failure"; so likewise, on a larger scale,
> "durability" is key to the survival of all life forms in the Universe.http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=123041&org=NSF&from=news
> On Feb 3, 10:09 am, alextangent <b...@rivadpm.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 3, 5:09 pm, JacobSmith <vctin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> . . .
>
> > Let's ignore for the moment that you don't have a clue about science.
>
> > What you're saying is; we can know nothing until we know everything.
> > That makes you a nihilist. Except you're a special kind of nihilist;
> > one with a god. And you approvingly quote a little bit of Brigham
> > Young as "da troof" on exactly zero evidence.
>
> > Please share with us how that works.
>
> -----
> REPLY:
> (5) A sub set of this process is found in the modern
> technology found in cloud computing, which describes
> all data that is floating around in Internet space. In like
> manner, biophotons throughout the whole of the Universe,
> create a dynamic, coherent web of interconnected light.
>
> It is necessary to visualize the Universe from the standpoint
> of a "web of light". It is then acting in the same manner as
> a good spider web. "The study showed that, as one might
> expect, when any part of a web is perturbed, the whole web
> reacts." Thus, even as a spider web is specifically constructed
> to establish the "Path To Failure"; so likewise, on a larger scale,
>
> A "spider's web is organized to sacrifice local areas
> so that failure will not prevent the remaining web from
> functioning, even if in a diminished capacity, says Carter.
> "This is a clever strategy when the alternative is having
> to make an entire, new web," he adds. The Universe is
> expanding at an ever increasing rate, becoming more
> complex and intense in order, with black holes being
> local areas of failure that prevent the remaining total
> areas of light in the Universe from malfunctioning.http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cms/astro/cosmos
> A "spider's web is organized to sacrifice local areas
> so that failure will not prevent the remaining web from
> functioning, even if in a diminished capacity, says Carter.
> "This is a clever strategy when the alternative is having
> to make an entire, new web," he adds. The Universe is
> expanding at an ever increasing rate, becoming more
> complex and intense in order, with black holes being
> local areas of failure that prevent the remaining total
>
> Galactic winds are streams of high speed
> charged particles often observed blowing out
> of galaxies. With speeds of between 300
> and 3,000 km/sec, these winds can either
> blow material out into the halo of the galaxy,
> possibly to mix with the hot X-ray emitting
> halo gas, or expel the matter from the galaxy
> completely to mix with the intergalactic medium.
> Galactic winds have two sources of energy:
> starbursts and active galactic nuclei
> (i.e. the supermassive black holes
> lurking in the centres of most galaxies).http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cms/astro/cosmos/g/Galactic+Winds
> Galactic winds are streams of high speed
> charged particles often observed blowing out
> of galaxies. With speeds of between 300
> and 3,000 km/sec, these winds can either
> blow material out into the halo of the galaxy,
> possibly to mix with the hot X-ray emitting
> halo gas, or expel the matter from the galaxy
> completely to mix with the intergalactic medium.
> Galactic winds have two sources of energy:
> starbursts and active galactic nuclei
> (i.e. the supermassive black holes
>
> "According to the researchers' findings,
> the failure of silk threads occurs at points
> where the filament is disturbed by that
> external force, but after failure, the web
> returns to stability-- even in simulations
> using broad forces, like hurricane-force winds."http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_videos.jsp?cntn_id=123041&media_id=71871...
> "According to the researchers' findings,
> the failure of silk threads occurs at points
> where the filament is disturbed by that
> external force, but after failure, the web
> returns to stability-- even in simulations
OK, I can't ignore that you know nothing about science. Nor, it would
appear, about putting together a coherent argument. Where is your
point in this cut&paste word salad?
JacobSmith
Feb 5, 2012, 6:12:00 PM2/5/12
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REPLY:
Point: A string is a string and a particle is a particle,
and never shall the twain meet? No, not if you think.
A particle is a particle when measured as a mass
object, and an energy level within the region of any
given particle manifests the observations of a string,
in relation to other particles of mass in the Universe.
However, when broad forces negatively affect any area
of the Universe, all the combined localized mass objects,
"membrane" together within the universal web of light,
disposing of the negatively forming materials through
manifestations measured as "black holes"; and then,
return to the former state of stability and relative "rest".
"The principle of separation, or disorganization,
is as much an eternal principle, as much a truth,
as that of organization. Both always did and will exist."
There have always been black holes and galaxy systems.
Klaus Hellnick
Feb 5, 2012, 8:45:55 PM2/5/12
to
On 2/4/2012 8:42 AM, Walter Bushell wrote:
> In article<onfpi7to0ldco1bne...@4ax.com>,
> AGWFacts<AGWF...@ipcc.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 09:24:59 -0800 (PST), JacobSmith
>> <vcti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Intelligent Design and the Fallacy of Annihilation
>>
>> Joseph Smith was a con man, a liar, and a crook.
>>
>
> And those were his best qualities.
>
Well, he was able to spin a good yard and found a moderately successful
> In article<onfpi7to0ldco1bne...@4ax.com>,
> AGWFacts<AGWF...@ipcc.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 09:24:59 -0800 (PST), JacobSmith
>> <vcti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Intelligent Design and the Fallacy of Annihilation
>>
>> Joseph Smith was a con man, a liar, and a crook.
>>
>
> And those were his best qualities.
>
religion, with only a list of names as supporting evidence. Then he
started a commune in the wilderness so that his followers could not
check any details of his bullshit.
Klaus
alextangent
Feb 5, 2012, 10:54:39 PM2/5/12
to
Earle Jones
Feb 6, 2012, 12:43:36 AM2/6/12
to
In article <jgnbcm$5q4$1...@news.albasani.net>,
*
The beliefs of Mormonism are really no wackier than the beliefs of any
sect of Christianity, or, for that matter, any of the successful
religions around the world today.
Dig into the fundamentals of any of the religions around today. They
all have patently impossible events as part of their beliefs.
You want Golden Tablets, or virgin birth, or the millions of atomic
explosions of Teegeack? Get religion!
earle
*
The beliefs of Mormonism are really no wackier than the beliefs of any
sect of Christianity, or, for that matter, any of the successful
religions around the world today.
Dig into the fundamentals of any of the religions around today. They
all have patently impossible events as part of their beliefs.
You want Golden Tablets, or virgin birth, or the millions of atomic
explosions of Teegeack? Get religion!
earle
*
JacobSmith
Feb 6, 2012, 12:57:47 AM2/6/12
to
> > > OK, I can't ignore that you know nothing about science. Nor, it would
> > > appear, about putting together a coherent argument. Where is your
> > > point in this cut&paste word salad?
>
> > ------
> > REPLY:
> > Point: A string is a string and a particle is a particle,
> > and never shall the twain meet? No, not if you think.
>
> > A particle is a particle when measured as a mass
> > object, and an energy level within the region of any
> > given particle manifests the observations of a string,
> > in relation to other particles of mass in the Universe.
>
> > However, when broad forces negatively affect any area
> > of the Universe, all the combined localized mass objects,
> > "membrane" together within the universal web of light,
> > disposing of the negatively forming materials through
> > manifestations measured as "black holes"; and then,
> > return to the former state of stability and relative "rest".
>
> > "The principle of separation, or disorganization,
> > is as much an eternal principle, as much a truth,
> > as that of organization. Both always did and will exist."
> > There have always been black holes and galaxy systems.
>
> More word salad.
REPLY:
"Next time you’re out to dine and you’re dieting,
you may want to heed what Caglar Irmak and
colleagues have uncovered: that what’s in a name,
even if it’s salad, is not quite as important to your
diet and health as what’s actually on the plate."
http://earthsky.org/food/dieters-dont-let-that-salad-word-fool-you
But, you seem to be content with "Primordial soup" theory,
which results in listing a confused array of many hypotheses.
[There is no truly "standard model" of the origin of life.] . . .
. . .
[No one has synthesized a "protocell" using basic
components which would have the necessary properties
of life (the so-called "bottom-up-approach"). Without
such a proof-of-principle, explanations have tended
to be short on specifics. . . . Understatement. All of
the scientific rigor "baby" is thrown out the window.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-does-throwing-the-baby-out-with-the-bath-water-mean.htm
The word "could" is inserted in the article 39 times.
The word "may" is inserted in the article 35 times.
The word "possible" is inserted in the article 13 times.
The word "perhaps" is inserted in the article 02 times.
The word "possibly" is inserted in the article 02 times.
If I can add right, that's a total of 91 (?????????? . . .)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
[The "soup" theory relies on the assumption proposed
by Darwin that in an environment with no pre-existing life,
organic molecules may have accumulated and provided
an environment for chemical evolution.] . . . Sorry, wrong.
The current thrust of science is just the opposite,
[Geoff Marcy is professor of astronomy at the University
of California, Berkeley, and a Principal Investigator with
NASA's Space Interferometry Mission (SIM). Along with
Paul Butler of the Carnegie Institute in Washington,
Marcy co-leads a team that has discovered more
than 70 planets outside the solar system.. . ..]
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/newworlds/marcy.html
Healthy word "salad" vs. anemic, insipid, "Primordial soup".
Biological life does not arise from inorganic matter through
natural processes. The fact is, that [life is an irreversible
thermodynamic process which arises and persists to
produce entropy.] As such, "life" has always existed
along with all other forms of matter. Your primordial
soup does not contain a "dirty reset button". Ugh.
Intellectual Vomit, costing billions of dollars a year,
depressing the minds of the brightest and the best.
alextangent
Feb 6, 2012, 1:58:55 AM2/6/12
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> The word "could" is inserted in the article 39 times.
> The word "may" is inserted in the article 35 times.
> The word "possible" is inserted in the article 13 times.
> The word "perhaps" is inserted in the article 02 times.
> The word "possibly" is inserted in the article 02 times.
> If I can add right, that's a total of 91 (?????????? . . .)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
> The word "may" is inserted in the article 35 times.
> The word "possible" is inserted in the article 13 times.
> The word "perhaps" is inserted in the article 02 times.
> The word "possibly" is inserted in the article 02 times.
>
> [The "soup" theory relies on the assumption proposed
> by Darwin that in an environment with no pre-existing life,
> organic molecules may have accumulated and provided
> an environment for chemical evolution.] . . . Sorry, wrong.
>
> The current thrust of science is just the opposite,
> [Geoff Marcy is professor of astronomy at the University
> of California, Berkeley, and a Principal Investigator with
> NASA's Space Interferometry Mission (SIM). Along with
> Paul Butler of the Carnegie Institute in Washington,
> Marcy co-leads a team that has discovered more
> than 70 planets outside the solar system.. . ..]http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/newworlds/marcy.html
>
> Healthy word "salad" vs. anemic, insipid, "Primordial soup".
> Biological life does not arise from inorganic matter through
> natural processes. The fact is, that [life is an irreversible
> thermodynamic process which arises and persists to
> produce entropy.] As such, "life" has always existed
> along with all other forms of matter. Your primordial
> soup does not contain a "dirty reset button". Ugh.
> Intellectual Vomit, costing billions of dollars a year,
> depressing the minds of the brightest and the best.
The word "incoherent" doesn't appear at all in your reply. Perhaps
> [The "soup" theory relies on the assumption proposed
> by Darwin that in an environment with no pre-existing life,
> organic molecules may have accumulated and provided
> an environment for chemical evolution.] . . . Sorry, wrong.
>
> The current thrust of science is just the opposite,
> [Geoff Marcy is professor of astronomy at the University
> of California, Berkeley, and a Principal Investigator with
> NASA's Space Interferometry Mission (SIM). Along with
> Paul Butler of the Carnegie Institute in Washington,
> Marcy co-leads a team that has discovered more
> than 70 planets outside the solar system.. . ..]http://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/newworlds/marcy.html
>
> Healthy word "salad" vs. anemic, insipid, "Primordial soup".
> Biological life does not arise from inorganic matter through
> natural processes. The fact is, that [life is an irreversible
> thermodynamic process which arises and persists to
> produce entropy.] As such, "life" has always existed
> along with all other forms of matter. Your primordial
> soup does not contain a "dirty reset button". Ugh.
> Intellectual Vomit, costing billions of dollars a year,
> depressing the minds of the brightest and the best.
it's an emergent property of the way you put words together.
Earle Jones
Feb 6, 2012, 6:31:56 PM2/6/12
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<759dcb71-a7c3-4077...@4g2000pbz.googlegroups.com>,
JacobSmith <vcti...@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> Healthy word "salad" vs. anemic, insipid, "Primordial soup".
> Biological life does not arise from inorganic matter through
> natural processes. The fact is, that [life is an irreversible
> thermodynamic process which arises and persists to
> produce entropy.] As such, "life" has always existed
> along with all other forms of matter....
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Please tell us which definition of "entropy" you are using.
S = Integral of dQ/T (Q=heat; T=absolute temperature)
(State variable in a thermodynamic system.)
This one?
S = k log W
(Boltzmann entropy.)
By the way, this definition is on Boltzmann's tombstone in the Central
Cemetery in Vienna.
This one?
Or some other?
Or are you using "entropy" to mean chaos, disorder, noise, etc.?
earle
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<759dcb71-a7c3-4077...@4g2000pbz.googlegroups.com>,
JacobSmith <vcti...@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> Healthy word "salad" vs. anemic, insipid, "Primordial soup".
> Biological life does not arise from inorganic matter through
> natural processes. The fact is, that [life is an irreversible
> thermodynamic process which arises and persists to
> produce entropy.] As such, "life" has always existed
*
Please tell us which definition of "entropy" you are using.
S = Integral of dQ/T (Q=heat; T=absolute temperature)
(State variable in a thermodynamic system.)
This one?
S = k log W
(Boltzmann entropy.)
By the way, this definition is on Boltzmann's tombstone in the Central
Cemetery in Vienna.
This one?
Or some other?
Or are you using "entropy" to mean chaos, disorder, noise, etc.?
earle
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