2012
igotskillz22
Where is it NOW ?
Can some of the monkey's uncles please help out here ?
Thank you
Frank J
Hey [M]adman, you got competition.
Desertphile
Koko? Is that you?
--
http://desertphile.org
Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
"Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
Boikat
Lay off the phychotropic drugs, seek psychiactric help, and turn off
your computer.
>
> Thank you
No problem, no charge.
Boikat
Bob Casanova
appeared in talk.origins, posted by igotskillz22
<lacosano...@gmail.com>:
>Where is the mass Ronny Reagan showed us in 1983 ?
>
>Where is it NOW ?
>
>Can some of the monkey's uncles please help out here ?
Apparently those "skillz" don't extend to communication in
English.
>Thank you
You're welcome.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
igotskillz22
> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 07:04:24 -0800 (PST), the following
> appeared in talk.origins, posted by igotskillz22
>
> >Where is the mass Ronny Reagan showed us in 1983 ?
>
> >Where is it NOW ?
>
> >Can some of the monkey's uncles please help out here ?
>
> Apparently those "skillz" don't extend to communication in
> English.
>
> >Thank you
>
> You're welcome.
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> "Evidence confirming an observation is
> evidence that the observation is wrong."
> � � � � � � � � � � � � � - McNameless
Lotta soon to die punks here.
You make me feel better about not saving many people.
Just to be clear, I will not attribute to anyone's harm. Ego's will
care for that.
John Harshman
you saw the movie.
igotskillz22
The only clear thing is that you draw conclusions with little
information.
The video link explains a portion of 2012 issues we face.
I will tell you this about the mayans, They correctly determined the
date which our sun will be in the middle of its orbit through the
galaxy. We will be amidst the most amount of whatever force that keeps
the stars in place.
Ever wonder why the stars stay the same distance apart ?
Whatever it is, we are in the middle. The Mayans knew it, Thank God
they aren't as arrogant as you.
The Sumerians, would you like their take on this date ? They have
never been wrong you know that, right ?
Caranx latus
> On Feb 16, 8:26 pm, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> wrote:
<snip>
>>> You make me feel better about not saving many people.
>>> Just to be clear, I will not attribute to anyone's harm. Ego's will
>>> care for that.
>> Ah, it becomes clear. You're some kind of Mayan calendar nut. Or maybe
>> you saw the movie.
>
> The only clear thing is that you draw conclusions with little
> information.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOWWIDT910I&feature=PlayList&p=97B176D7FEADE65D&index=12&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL
Jesse Ventura really *lends* credibility to this story, doesn't he?
</sarcasm>
> The video link explains a portion of 2012 issues we face.
>
> I will tell you this about the mayans, They correctly determined the
> date which our sun will be in the middle of its orbit through the
> galaxy. We will be amidst the most amount of whatever force that keeps
> the stars in place.
"the middle of its orbit"? Terrific. A jumble of English words with no
semantic content.
> Ever wonder why the stars stay the same distance apart ?
You are perhaps unaware that the stars don't stay the same distance
apart? Did you stop to consider that the distance between stars is huge
compared to the speed at which stars are travelling?
> Whatever it is, we are in the middle. The Mayans knew it, Thank God
> they aren't as arrogant as you.
It's really difficult for the dead to be arrogant.
> The Sumerians, would you like their take on this date ? They have
> never been wrong you know that, right ?
Cue [M]adape... </suspiciously> unless this is you already.
Boikat
>
> The video link explains a portion of 2012 issues we face.
>
> I will tell you this about the mayans, They correctly determined the
> date which our sun will be in the middle of its orbit through the
> galaxy. We will be amidst the most amount of whatever force that keeps
> the stars in place.
>
> Ever wonder why the stars stay the same distance apart ?
The don't. Look up Bernard's Star".
>
> Whatever it is, we are in the middle. The Mayans knew it, Thank God
> they aren't as arrogant as you.
>
> The Sumerians, would you like their take on this date ? They have
> never been wrong you know that, right ?
Are you related to ASS-I(diot)?
Boikat
igotskillz22
I used to say to myself that i should try to help more people. Thanks
to so many like you, i feel i have done more than enough to benefit
mankind. I wont stop trying to help, i just wont feel bad when i feel
you have passed from here due to overwhelming natural forces.
igotskillz22
This is where it was
Somehow it was not moving, ha !!!!!!!!!!
http://web.ipac.caltech.edu/staff/tchester/iras/washington_post_mystery_object.html
guscubed
If we assume, for the sake of argument, that you are correct and the
earth is going to assplode in 2012, what would you suggest we do about
it, oh wise sage? What are you going to do, apart from continuing your
one-man research effort into the utility of varied house-hold objects
as makeshift bongs?
Ernest Major
<9cbde8c2-ba68-40e7...@i39g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
igotskillz22 <lacosano...@gmail.com> writes
--
alias Ernest Major
igotskillz22
I suggest you shoot yourself now
Tom McDonald
Ah. A Planet X/Niburu True Believer (tm).
You aren't by any chance a follower of Nancy? You are, right? Gotta be.
I bet you even think the Maya calendar is the "Mayan" calendar, don't you?
The skillz you got are mad, but not in the good way.
--
Tom
Nick Keighley
presumably something is due to happen in 2012
On 17 Feb, 02:39, igotskillz22 <lacosanostrada...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 16, 8:26�pm, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > igotskillz22 wrote:
> > > On Feb 14, 6:22 pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 07:04:24 -0800 (PST), the following
> > >> appeared in talk.origins, posted by igotskillz22
> > >> <lacosanostrada...@gmail.com>:
> > >>> Where is the mass Ronny Reagan showed us in 1983 ?
"the mass Ronny Reagan showed us" duh what?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOWWIDT910I&feature=PlayList&p=97B176D...
>
> The video link explains a portion of 2012 issues we face.
could you give a short summary? I'm not in a position to watch videos
> I will tell you this about the mayans, They correctly determined the
> date which our sun will be in the middle of its orbit through the
> galaxy.
what's the middle of an orbit? How can you be in the middle of an
orbit? Do you mean in the middle of the galaxy? That would involve
travelling 100,000 light years in two years. Which is very quick. Do
you mean we'll be in the plane of the galaxy?
> We will be amidst the most amount of whatever force that keeps
> the stars in place.
er, that would be gravity
> Ever wonder why the stars stay the same distance apart ?
they don't.
> Whatever it is, we are in the middle.
are you postulating some repulsive force taht originates from the
galactic plane? What do you expect this force to do?
> The Mayans knew it, Thank God
> they aren't as arrogant as you.
>
> The Sumerians, would you like their take on this date ? They have
> never been wrong you know that, right ?
aren't the sumerians dead?
I think you should read an introductory astronomy book
Boikat
No comment on Bernard's Star? I'm not surprised. People like you
tend to ignore things that demonstrate their ignorance.
>
> > > Whatever it is, we are in the middle. The Mayans knew it, Thank God
> > > they aren't as arrogant as you.
>
> > > The Sumerians, would you like their take on this date ? They have
> > > never been wrong you know that, right ?
>
> > Are you related to ASS-I(diot)?
>
> > Boikat
>
> I used to say to myself that i should try to help more people. Thanks
> to so many like you, i feel i have done more than enough to benefit
> mankind. I wont stop trying to help, i just wont feel bad when i feel
> you have passed from here due to overwhelming natural forces
Oh, look. An immitation adman. How quaint.
Boikat
Boikat
In other words, like the troll slob that begat you (If you're not one
and the same), you got nothing.
Boikat
Boikat
> On Feb 14, 10:04�am, igotskillz22 <lacosanostrada...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Where is the mass Ronny Reagan showed us in 1983 ?
>
> > Where is it NOW ?
>
> > Can some of the monkey's uncles please help out here ?
>
> > Thank you
>
> This is where it was
>
> Somehow it was not moving, ha !!!!!!!!!!
If it's "not moving", it's not a threat.
>
> http://web.ipac.caltech.edu/staff/tchester/iras/washington_post_myste...
Gee, that's a little outdated (and apparently refuted). If there were
such an object, in reality, it would have been a major astronimical
discovery, and targeted by the HST and imaged by now. Apparently, it
vanished in a puff of reality.
Boikat
Ernest Major
<797834e8-23f4-46d4...@q16g2000yqq.googlegroups.com>,
Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> writes
>> > The don't. �Look up Bernard's Star".
>
>No comment on Bernard's Star? I'm not surprised. People like you tend
>to ignore things that demonstrate their ignorance.
Point of pedantry - it's Barnard's Star. (That gives him a smidgen of an
excuse for not commenting.)
--
alias Ernest Major
Desertphile
There was a movie?! Good bloody gods.
Desertphile
<lacosano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 14, 6:22�pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 07:04:24 -0800 (PST), the following
> > appeared in talk.origins, posted by igotskillz22
> > <lacosanostrada...@gmail.com>:
> > >Where is the mass Ronny Reagan showed us in 1983 ?
> > >Where is it NOW ?
> > >Can some of the monkey's uncles please help out here ?
> > Apparently those "skillz" don't extend to communication in
> > English.
> > >Thank you
> > You're welcome.
> Lotta soon to die punks here.
Yoda? Is that you? I thought you were dead.
> You make me feel better about not saving many people.
Buffy Anne Summers saves people: you're just a nut.
> Just to be clear, I will not attribute to anyone's harm. Ego's will
> care for that.
Thorazine can help you with that.
Desertphile
<lacosano...@gmail.com> wrote:
(CUTS)
> I will tell you this about the mayans, They correctly determined the
> date which our sun will be in the middle of its orbit through the
> galaxy.
ROTFL! The "middle" from what point of reference?! Certainly not
the center of the galaxy: we're on the outer edge of the
Sagittarius arm (if I recall correctly). There is no way Sol
System can be in the "middle" orbit "through the galaxy."
Gods, you're silly!
> We will be amidst the most amount of whatever force that keeps
> the stars in place.
The stars are not kept in place, clown.
> Ever wonder why the stars stay the same distance apart ?
False assertion, therefore *DISMISSED!*
Are you "All-seething-I?"
> Whatever it is, we are in the middle.
No, we are on the edge.
> The Mayans knew it, thank god they aren't as arrogant as you.
Yeah, capturing neighbors and cutting out their hearts to keep the
sun from going too far south--- that ain't as arrogant as asking
why you're nuts.
> The Sumerians, would you like their take on this date?
Appears Mental.
> They have never been wrong you know that, right?
LOL!
VoiceOfReason
wrote:
Kind of like a 70's disaster movie on steroids. Rotten Tomatoes gave
it 39%, probably just due to cool special effects. But overall it was
a train wreck.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/2012/
Desertphile
<boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnard's_Star
In 1916, the American astronomer E.E. Barnard measured its proper
motion as 10.3 arcseconds per year, which remains the largest-
known proper motion of any star relative to the Sun.
Golly, science proved igotskillz22 wrong 94 years ago!
> > > > Whatever it is, we are in the middle. The Mayans knew it, Thank God
> > > > they aren't as arrogant as you.
> >
> > > > The Sumerians, would you like their take on this date ? They have
> > > > never been wrong you know that, right ?
> >
> > > Are you related to ASS-I(diot)?
> >
> > > Boikat
> >
> > I used to say to myself that i should try to help more people. Thanks
> > to so many like you, i feel i have done more than enough to benefit
> > mankind. I wont stop trying to help, i just wont feel bad when i feel
> > you have passed from here due to overwhelming natural forces
>
> Oh, look. An immitation adman. How quaint.
>
> Boikat
Inez
> On Feb 14, 6:22�pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 07:04:24 -0800 (PST), the following
> > appeared in talk.origins, posted by igotskillz22
> > <lacosanostrada...@gmail.com>:
>
> > >Where is the mass Ronny Reagan showed us in 1983 ?
>
> > >Where is it NOW ?
>
> > >Can some of the monkey's uncles please help out here ?
>
> > Apparently those "skillz" don't extend to communication in
> > English.
>
> Lotta soon to die punks here.
Hee hee!
VoiceOfReason
A 27-year-old coverup? Certainly the New World Order has something
newer than this to be paranoid about?
Inez
> igotskillz22 wrote:
> > On Feb 14, 10:04 am, igotskillz22 <lacosanostrada...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Where is the mass Ronny Reagan showed us in 1983 ?
>
> >> Where is it NOW ?
>
> >> Can some of the monkey's uncles please help out here ?
>
> >> Thank you
>
> > This is where it was
>
> > Somehow it was not moving, ha !!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> Ah. A Planet X/Niburu True Believer (tm).
>
> You aren't by any chance a follower of Nancy? You are, right? Gotta be.
>
> I bet you even think the Maya calendar is the "Mayan" calendar, don't you?
>
> The skillz you got are mad, but not in the good way.
>
> --
>
I enjoyed this from Wikipedia.
"The idea of the Nibiru collision originated with Nancy Lieder, a
Wisconsin woman who claims that as a girl she was contacted by gray
extraterrestrials called Zetas, who implanted a communications device
in her brain. In 1995, she founded the website ZetaTalk to disseminate
her ideas.[1] Lieder first came to public attention on internet
newsgroups during the build-up to Comet Hale-Bopp's 1997 perihelion.
She stated, speaking as the Zetas, that "The Hale-Bopp comet does not
exist. It is a fraud, perpetrated by those who would have the teeming
masses quiescent until it is too late. Hale-Bopp is nothing more than
a distant star, and will draw no closer."[2] She claimed that the Hale-
Bopp story was manufactured to distract people from the imminent
arrival of a large planetary object, "Planet X", which would soon pass
by Earth and destroy civilization.[2] After Hale-Bopp's perihelion
revealed it as one of the brightest and longest-observed comets of the
last century,[3] Lieder removed the first two sentences of her initial
statement from her site, though they can still be found in Google's
archives.[2] Her claims eventually made the New York Times.[4"
Now obviously a person who claims that aliens have implanted a
communication device in her brain must be reliable, but what doe we
know of these Zetas? Can the Easter Bunny provide a character
reference for them? Because this business with the Hale-Bopp comet
almost makes me want to listen to actual experts.
Tom McDonald
That's her!
She and her disciples bedeviled sci.astro and sci.astro.amateur for
several years with this b.s. AFAIK, she still has a web site wherein
she is mouthpiecing for the Zetas, and still claiming that Planet X is
going to destroy us Any Moment Now!!!
IIRC, when her predicted dead-by date passed without, well, mass
death, she reported that the Zetas had purposely given false
information as some sort of test.
She gulled a lot of people. One guy in Europe bet me money that one of
her predictions would come true on a certain date. He actually paid me
when it didn't!
> Now obviously a person who claims that aliens have implanted a
> communication device in her brain must be reliable, but what doe we
> know of these Zetas? �Can the Easter Bunny provide a character
> reference for them? �Because this business with the Hale-Bopp comet
> almost makes me want to listen to actual experts.
Almost?
Though I will admit that the Planet X/Niburu folks can be a laugh and
a half.
Inez
would help a great deal to prepare for a planet smacking into me.
> IIRC, when her predicted dead-by date passed without, well, mass
> death, she reported that the Zetas had purposely given false
> information as some sort of test.
Perhaps a test to see how many idiots would believe the obvious
lies.
> She gulled a lot of people. One guy in Europe bet me money that one of
> her predictions would come true on a certain date. He actually paid me
> when it didn't!
>
> > Now obviously a person who claims that aliens have implanted a
> > communication device in her brain must be reliable, but what doe we
> > know of these Zetas? �Can the Easter Bunny provide a character
> > reference for them? �Because this business with the Hale-Bopp comet
> > almost makes me want to listen to actual experts.
>
> Almost?
>
> Though I will admit that the Planet X/Niburu folks can be a laugh and
> a half.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Tom McDonald
Yep. She's still in there pitching. Here is her web site:
If you like that site, be sure to visit some of the stuff she links
to. Much laughter will undoubtedly ensue.
<snip>
Tom McDonald
> On Feb 17, 12:12嚙緘m, Tom McDonald <kilt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> would help a great deal to prepare for a planet smacking into me.
She has a sort of cottage industry in pushing survival skills and
'safe places'. I don't know if she makes money from that, but she
certainly has stick-to-it-iveness.
And Planet X won't be hitting Earth; its spectacular magnetic field
will grab our magnetic field and do a 90 degree pole shift. Literally
shifting the poles to the Equator, with all the sliding of the crust
over the mantle that implies.
But there are safe places!
See? Much fun.
> > IIRC, when her predicted dead-by date passed without, well, mass
> > death, she reported that the Zetas had purposely given false
> > information as some sort of test.
>
> Perhaps a test to see how many idiots would believe the obvious
> lies.
I think she's a True Believer herself. She puts far too much time and
energy into it, with little apparent gain other than a certain
celebrity/notoriety. If you read some of the blog entries in sites
linked to ZetaTalk, you'll see that there is a small hard core of
believers that feed her; and the odd woo-woo happens upon her stuff to
add to the hilarity.
>
> > She gulled a lot of people. One guy in Europe bet me money that one of
> > her predictions would come true on a certain date. He actually paid me
> > when it didn't!
>
> > > Now obviously a person who claims that aliens have implanted a
> > > communication device in her brain must be reliable, but what doe we
> > > know of these Zetas? 嚙瘠an the Easter Bunny provide a character
> > > reference for them? 嚙畿ecause this business with the Hale-Bopp comet
Walter Bushell
Caranx latus <kar...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> It's really difficult for the dead to be arrogant.
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings,
Look on my Works ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away."
--
A computer without Microsoft is like a chocolate cake without mustard.
Burkhard
> In article <hlflrb$9m4$1...@speranza.aioe.org>,
> Caranx latus <kar...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>> It's really difficult for the dead to be arrogant.
>
> My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings,
> Look on my Works ye Mighty, and despair!
> Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
> Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
> The lone and level sands stretch far away."
>
I always lik4ed Horace Smith' version better:
We wonder, -- and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragments huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place.
JohnN
> Where is the mass Ronny Reagan showed us in 1983 ?
>
> Where is it NOW ?
>
> Can some of the monkey's uncles please help out here ?
>
> Thank you
Are you the guy with all our bases? We want them back now.
JohnN
Bob Casanova
appeared in talk.origins, posted by igotskillz22
>On Feb 14, 6:22�pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 07:04:24 -0800 (PST), the following
>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by igotskillz22
>> <lacosanostrada...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> >Where is the mass Ronny Reagan showed us in 1983 ?
>>
>> >Where is it NOW ?
>>
>> >Can some of the monkey's uncles please help out here ?
>>
>> Apparently those "skillz" don't extend to communication in
>> English.
>>
>> >Thank you
>>
>> You're welcome.
>Lotta soon to die punks here.
>
>You make me feel better about not saving many people.
>
>Just to be clear, I will not attribute to anyone's harm. Ego's will
>care for that.
"...will not attribute..."? "Ego's will care for that."?
Are you working on English as a second language? No problem,
but you need to do additional work on word definitions,
sentence structure and simple grammar. HTH.
Bob Casanova
>On Feb 16, 8:26�pm, John Harshman <jharsh...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> igotskillz22 wrote:
>> > On Feb 14, 6:22 pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 07:04:24 -0800 (PST), the following
>> >> appeared in talk.origins, posted by igotskillz22
>> >> <lacosanostrada...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> >>> Where is the mass Ronny Reagan showed us in 1983 ?
>> >>> Where is it NOW ?
>> >>> Can some of the monkey's uncles please help out here ?
>> >> Apparently those "skillz" don't extend to communication in
>> >> English.
>>
>> >>> Thank you
>> >> You're welcome.
>> >> --
>>
>> >> Bob C.
>>
>> >> "Evidence confirming an observation is
>> >> evidence that the observation is wrong."
>> >> � � � � � � � � � � � � � - McNameless
>>
>> > Lotta soon to die punks here.
>>
>> > You make me feel better about not saving many people.
>>
>> > Just to be clear, I will not attribute to anyone's harm. Ego's will
>> > care for that.
>>
>> Ah, it becomes clear. You're some kind of Mayan calendar nut. Or maybe
>> you saw the movie.
>
>The only clear thing is that you draw conclusions with little
>information.
>
>
>
>
>The video link explains a portion of 2012 issues we face.
You mean all the woo-woos?
>I will tell you this about the mayans, They correctly determined the
>date which our sun will be in the middle of its orbit through the
>galaxy. We will be amidst the most amount of whatever force that keeps
>the stars in place.
Exactly what does "middle of its orbit through the galaxy"
mean? Is it an indication that you believe the solar system
will be at the center of the galaxy? If not, what is it?
>Ever wonder why the stars stay the same distance apart ?
They don't. So much for Mayan superscience...
>Whatever it is, we are in the middle.
The middle of what? We're not in the middle of the galaxy;
we're about 2/3 of the way out one spiral arm.
> The Mayans knew it, Thank God
>they aren't as arrogant as you.
Of course they aren't. They're not even as arrogant as Mr.
Peepers, since they're all dead.
>The Sumerians, would you like their take on this date ? They have
>never been wrong you know that, right ?
The Sumerians have never been wrong? So all 162 deities
mentioned here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mesopotamian_deities
....actually exist? Cool!
Bob Casanova
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Boikat
<boi...@bellsouth.net>:
>On Feb 16, 10:30�pm, igotskillz22 <lacosanostrada...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 14, 10:04�am, igotskillz22 <lacosanostrada...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Where is the mass Ronny Reagan showed us in 1983 ?
>>
>> > Where is it NOW ?
>>
>> > Can some of the monkey's uncles please help out here ?
>>
>> > Thank you
>>
>> This is where it was
>>
>> Somehow it was not moving, ha !!!!!!!!!!
>
>If it's "not moving", it's not a threat.
Not yet. But when it fires up that supercharged 426 Hemi
with nitrous injection, watch out!
>
>>
>> http://web.ipac.caltech.edu/staff/tchester/iras/washington_post_myste...
>
>Gee, that's a little outdated (and apparently refuted). If there were
>such an object, in reality, it would have been a major astronimical
>discovery, and targeted by the HST and imaged by now. Apparently, it
>vanished in a puff of reality.
Loons don't recognize reality.
igotskillz22
> igotskillz22 wrote:
> > On Feb 14, 10:04 am, igotskillz22 <lacosanostrada...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Where is the mass Ronny Reagan showed us in 1983 ?
>
> >> Where is it NOW ?
>
> >> Can some of the monkey's uncles please help out here ?
>
> >> Thank you
>
> > This is where it was
>
> > Somehow it was not moving, ha !!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> Ah. A Planet X/Niburu True Believer (tm).
>
> You aren't by any chance a follower of Nancy? You are, right? Gotta be.
>
> I bet you even think the Maya calendar is the "Mayan" calendar, don't you?
>
> The skillz you got are mad, but not in the good way.
>
> --
> Tom
Well tiny Tom, you are pretty much wrong on every assertion.
It's intriguing how you make all sorts of guesses and bets based on
your imagination. No worries, shitbag. This forum is full of folks who
read Shakespeare while i studied the stars and the ancients who built
things.
Go read one of your liberal bibles and jerkoff a few of your
contemporaries.
Punk
igotskillz22
wrote:
I think you need to watch the video i posted, bitch
igotskillz22
Why are Venus and pluto hotter ?
igotskillz22
> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:39:05 -0800 (PST), the following
> appeared in talk.origins, posted by igotskillz22
>
> >The video link explains a portion of 2012 issues we face.
>
> You mean all the woo-woos?
>
> >I will tell you this about the mayans, They correctly determined the
> >date which our sun will be in the middle of its orbit through the
> >galaxy. We will be amidst the most amount of whatever force that keeps
> >the stars in place.
>
> Exactly what does "middle of its orbit through the galaxy"
> mean? Is it an indication that you believe the solar system
> will be at the center of the galaxy? If not, what is it?
The galactic plane
>
> >Ever wonder why the stars stay the same distance apart ?
>
> They don't. So much for Mayan superscience...
> >Whatever it is, we are in the middle.
>
> The middle of what? We're not in the middle of the galaxy;
> we're about 2/3 of the way out one spiral arm.
>
> > The Mayans knew it, Thank God
> >they aren't as arrogant as you.
>
> Of course they aren't. They're not even as arrogant as Mr.
> Peepers, since they're all dead.
>
> >The Sumerians, would you like their take on this date ? They have
> >never been wrong you know that, right ?
>
> The Sumerians have never been wrong? So all 162 deities
> mentioned here...
Sumer and Mesopotamia were different places, but you knew that,
right ?
Sumerians refer to 1 God.
The arrogance in this forum is putrifying
Mike Franklin
> On Feb 16, 8:39�pm, igotskillz22 <lacosanostrada...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The Sumerians, would you like their take on this date ? They have
> > never been wrong you know that, right ?
>
> Are you related to ASS-I(diot)?
No, at least not biologically. Apparently someone left the gate open
over at rec.gambling.poker, and that group's resident net-loon got out
of the yard.
Mike
John Wilkins
<df46388c-80d8-4a3f...@j31g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
igotskillz22 <lacosano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Exactly what does "middle of its orbit through the galaxy"
> > mean? Is it an indication that you believe the solar system
> > will be at the center of the galaxy? If not, what is it?
>
> The galactic plane
So there's an exact point that is the "middle"? The galaxy here is,
according to Monty Python, about 3000 light years wide. That means that
a couple of years either side shouldn't make the slightest difference.
According to Wikipedia, the average thickness of the stellar disk is
around 1000ly, but that hardly helps.
John Stockwell
> I will tell you this about the mayans, They correctly determined the
> date which our sun will be in the middle of its orbit through the
> galaxy. We will be amidst the most amount of whatever force that keeps
> the stars in place.
Actually, the "galactic plane" assertions are made by a fellow
named John Major Jenkins. You are aware that the sun aligns
with the galactic center (which is a rather large object) every
year during the month of December.
As far as Mayan science is concerned, they did have some
advanced stuff for their time. They used zero and had a number
system that was good for computations. They didn't have
fractions, which is one of the reasons they based their calendar
on long cycles.
There is a fellow named Vincent Malmstrom (a geographer)
who has made probably the best study of the Mayan calendar.
Assuming that you want to read something real about it. There
are, of course more than one Mayan calendars. The long count
calendar was used off and on and was abandoned centuries ago
and is not used by modern Mayans, who still use the short count
calendar for religious purposes.
Remember also, that in real terms, while the Maya did have
a relatively high civilization, they never figured out that the
earth is round, or that the earth and planets go around the Sun.
In some respects they were a bit a head of the Europeans,
but for the most part, they were sort of like the Sumerians.
But anyway, you have made your prediction, so why don't
you come back in in 2013, and we can talk about it? The
point is that when we make testable predictions that we should
learn from them. In the next two years, you could educate yourself
on real Mayanist archaeology.
-John
>
> Ever wonder why the stars stay the same distance apart ?
>
> Whatever it is, we are in the middle. The Mayans knew it, Thank God
> they aren't as arrogant as you.
>
igotskillz22
Cory Albrecht
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer
"Sumer (Sumerian: 𒆠𒂗𒂠 ki-en-ĝir15 "Land of the Lords of
Brightness",[1][2] Akkadian: Šumeru; possibly Biblical Shinar) was a
civilization and historical region in southern Mesopotamia, Iraq."
>
> Sumerians refer to 1 God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_religion#Gods_and_goddesses
"The Sumerians practiced a polytheistic religion, with anthropomorphic
deities representing cosmic and terrestrial forces in their world."
>
> The arrogance in this forum is putrifying
You seem to enjoy being wrong about almost everything, eh?
Michael Siemon
John Wilkins <jo...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
Well, _you_ know. It's just like when the Earth is exactly on the
plane of the solar system. Utter havoc. Twice a year. For thousands
of years of human history. No wonder we are so fucked up...
But I bet you ignorantunskilled couldn't tell us when _that_ happens.
John Wilkins
<mlsiemon-D0EF9C...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
Michael Siemon <mlsi...@sonic.net> wrote:
It leaves me somewhat unequinamous
Michael Siemon
John Wilkins <jo...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
> In article
> <mlsiemon-D0EF9C...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
> Michael Siemon <mlsi...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <180220101118236451%jo...@wilkins.id.au>,
> > John Wilkins <jo...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <df46388c-80d8-4a3f...@j31g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
> > > igotskillz22 <lacosano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Exactly what does "middle of its orbit through the galaxy"
> > > > > mean? Is it an indication that you believe the solar system
> > > > > will be at the center of the galaxy? If not, what is it?
> > > >
> > > > The galactic plane
> > >
> > > So there's an exact point that is the "middle"? The galaxy here is,
> > > according to Monty Python, about 3000 light years wide. That means that
> > > a couple of years either side shouldn't make the slightest difference.
> > > According to Wikipedia, the average thickness of the stellar disk is
> > > around 1000ly, but that hardly helps.
> >
> > Well, _you_ know. It's just like when the Earth is exactly on the
> > plane of the solar system. Utter havoc. Twice a year. For thousands
> > of years of human history. No wonder we are so fucked up...
> >
> > But I bet you ignorantunskilled couldn't tell us when _that_ happens.
> >
> It leaves me somewhat unequinamous
Agreed; and (to quote Molly Sugden) "I am unanimous in that".
Boikat
What does that have to do with your outdated reference to a "planet"
that is not there?
Boikat
Cory Albrecht
Well, were you to take a stand about something it might be a turning point.
:-)
Michael Siemon
Cory Albrecht <coryal...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey, Sol - stick to what you know! Cancer can be a real nightmare.
It may be corny, but I'd rather spend time on the isle of Capri.
If there does transpire a problem, I'd say "Aries, ye Russian Folk"
as in the Eisenstein/Prokofiev Alexander Nevsky, and Librate the
oppressed masses of the planets.
rmacfarl
"Michael Siemon" <mlsi...@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:mlsiemon-0EEA97...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
This may be a somewhat elliptical comment but I'm concerned that
the discussion is starting to lose focus and follow an eccentric
path...
Michael Siemon
"rmacfarl" <rmac...@alphalink.com.au> wrote:
You have a point... :-)
John Wilkins
<mlsiemon-F1392B...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
Michael Siemon <mlsi...@sonic.net> wrote:
I think it's rather retrograde.
rmacfarl
"John Wilkins" <jo...@wilkins.id.au> wrote in message
news:180220101605414032%jo...@wilkins.id.au...
Oh, arc at 'er...
John Wilkins
<rmac...@alphalink.com.au> wrote:
Sorry, did I come across all superior? I'd hate for anyone to think I
was in opposition to them.
rmacfarl
OK, either the puns in that comment were beyond my puny powers of
mathematical recognition, or my "arc" reference was too obscure.
Either way, no offense was intended.
To put it another way, I'm either too obtuse, or not sufficiently
acute...
igotskillz22
> "John Wilkins" <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote in message
>
> news:180220101629008007%jo...@wilkins.id.au...
>
>
>
> > In article <hlim7l$qf...@news.eternal-september.org>, rmacfarl
> > <rmacf...@alphalink.com.au> wrote:
>
> >> "John Wilkins" <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote in message
> >>news:180220101605414032%jo...@wilkins.id.au...
> >> > In article
> >> > <mlsiemon-F1392B.21592617022...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
> >> > Michael Siemon <mlsie...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> In article <hlikbc$ig...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >> >> �"rmacfarl" <rmacf...@alphalink.com.au> wrote:
>
> >> >> > "Michael Siemon" <mlsie...@sonic.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:mlsiemon-0EEA97...@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
> >> >> > > In article <0htu47xqn....@fenris.cjb.net>,
> >> >> > > Cory Albrecht <coryalbre...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > >> John Wilkins wrote, on 10-02-17 10:17 PM:
> >> >> > >> > In article
> >> >> > >> > Michael Siemon<mlsie...@sonic.net> �wrote:
>
> >> >> > >> >> In article<180220101118236451%j...@wilkins.id.au>,
> >> >> > >> >> � John Wilkins<j...@wilkins.id.au> �wrote:
>
> >> >> > >> >>> In article
>
> >> >> > >> >>> <df46388c-80d8-4a3f-979e-109bfab2a...@j31g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
> >> >> > >> >>> ,
> >> >> > >> >>> igotskillz22<lacosanostrada...@gmail.com> �wrote:
Intellectual jerkoffs rarely have much more than big words and small
dicks.
John Wilkins
<rmac...@alphalink.com.au> wrote:
"Opposition
The position of a planet when it is exactly opposite the Sun in the sky
as seen from Earth. A planet at opposition is at its closest approach
to the Earth and is best suitable for observing."
http://www.seasky.org/astronomy/astronomy_glossary.html#O
"Superior Conjunction
A conjunction that occurs when a superior planet passes behind the Sun
and is on the opposite side of the Sun from the Earth.
Superior Planet
A planet that exists outside the orbit of the Earth.�All of the planets
in our solar system are superior except for Mercury and Venus.�These
two planets are inferior planets."
rmacfarl
Right.
The latter then - not sufficiently acute.
I thought as much. [sigh...]
Thanks...
Burkhard
Where in the galaxy did you get that idea from? The Sumerians had a
perfectly good polytheistic pantheon.
See e.g.
Thorkild Jacobsen: The Historian and the Sumerian Gods.
Journal of the American Oriental Society, Vol. 114, No. 2 (1994), pp.
145-153
SN Kramer The Weeping Goddess: Sumerian Prototypes of the Mater Dolorosa
The Biblical Archaeologist, 1983
And here you can see how they looked:
IL Finkel and MJ Geller (eds) Sumerian Gods and Their Representations,
(Groningen: Styx, 1997)
John Wilkins
<rmac...@alphalink.com.au> wrote:
It helps that I tutored History of Astronomy for two years...
TomS
<180220101742373008%jo...@wilkins.id.au>, John Wilkins stated..."
[...snip...]
>Superior Planet
>A planet that exists outside the orbit of the Earth.�All of the planets
>in our solar system are superior except for Mercury and Venus.�These
>two planets are inferior planets."
>
>http://www.seasky.org/astronomy/astronomy_glossary.html#S
>
One would think that an astronomer, of all people, would recognize
that the earth is a planet. With an orbit that is, of course, not
outside the orbit of the earth. And thus the earth is a third
example of a planet which is not a superior planet.
--
---Tom S.
Be not ashamed to inform the unwise and foolish, and the extreme aged that
contendeth with those that are young: thus shalt thou be truly learned, and
approved of all men living.: Sirach 42:8
Tom McDonald
> "On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:42:37 +1000, in article
> <180220101742373008%jo...@wilkins.id.au>, John Wilkins stated..."
> [...snip...]
>> Superior Planet
>> A planet that exists outside the orbit of the Earth. All of the planets
>> in our solar system are superior except for Mercury and Venus. These
>> two planets are inferior planets."
>>
>> http://www.seasky.org/astronomy/astronomy_glossary.html#S
>>
>
> One would think that an astronomer, of all people, would recognize
> that the earth is a planet. With an orbit that is, of course, not
> outside the orbit of the earth. And thus the earth is a third
> example of a planet which is not a superior planet.
'Tis a pretty adequate planet, though. Definitely above average. Say in the
third quartile.
An SD or two above the mean. Though it can be mean, too. Depends on its
mode. I think it's in the fast lane; not on the median.
--
Tom
John Wilkins
<TomS_...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> "On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:42:37 +1000, in article
> <180220101742373008%jo...@wilkins.id.au>, John Wilkins stated..."
> [...snip...]
> >Superior Planet
> >A planet that exists outside the orbit of the Earth.�All of the planets
> >in our solar system are superior except for Mercury and Venus.�These
> >two planets are inferior planets."
> >
> >http://www.seasky.org/astronomy/astronomy_glossary.html#S
> >
>
> One would think that an astronomer, of all people, would recognize
> that the earth is a planet. With an orbit that is, of course, not
> outside the orbit of the earth. And thus the earth is a third
> example of a planet which is not a superior planet.
"Planet" is an observational term before it is a term of physics. It is
a wandering star, and the terms "superior" and "inferior" were in use
before Copernicus. This site uses the old terms correctly as
observational terms useful for navigation. It is not so much an
astronomy site as a site that uses astronomical terms.
A great discussion of this can be found in Toulmin and Goodfield's
classic -
Toulmin, Stephen, and June Goodfield. 1962. The Fabric of the Heavens:
the development of astronomy and dynamics. Chicago: University of
Chicago Press.
Mike Lyle
> igotskillz22 wrote, on 10-02-17 07:29 PM:
>>
>> The arrogance in this forum is putrifying
>
> You seem to enjoy being wrong about almost everything, eh?
>
the ecological niche.
--
Mike.
John Stockwell
> On Feb 17, 8:21 pm, JohnStockwell<john.19071...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
Well, if you think that, then you should give me all of your money,
because it won't do you any good.
Really a person who goes all nuts over a schlock-umentary staring
Jesse Ventura. You do know that professional wrestling isn't real
either.
Inez
> On Feb 17, 2:43�pm, Inez <savagemouse...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 12:12�pm, Tom McDonald <kilt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 17, 12:33�pm, Inez <savagemouse...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 17, 4:53 am, Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > igotskillz22 wrote:
>
> > > > > >> Where is it NOW ?
>
> > > > > >> Can some of the monkey's uncles please help out here ?
>
>
> > > > > > This is where it was
>
> > > > > > Somehow it was not moving, ha !!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> > > > > Ah. A Planet X/Niburu True Believer (tm).
>
> > > > > You aren't by any chance a follower of Nancy? You are, right? Gotta be.
>
> > > > > I bet you even think the Maya calendar is the "Mayan" calendar, don't you?
>
> > > > > The skillz you got are mad, but not in the good way.
>
> > > > > --
> > > > > Tom- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > I enjoyed this from Wikipedia.
>
> > > > "The idea of the Nibiru collision originated with Nancy Lieder, a
> > > > Wisconsin woman who claims that as a girl she was contacted by gray
> > > > extraterrestrials called Zetas, who implanted a communications device
> > > > in her brain. In 1995, she founded the website ZetaTalk to disseminate
> > > > her ideas.[1] Lieder first came to public attention on internet
> > > > newsgroups during the build-up to Comet Hale-Bopp's 1997 perihelion.
> > > > She stated, speaking as the Zetas, that "The Hale-Bopp comet does not
> > > > exist. It is a fraud, perpetrated by those who would have the teeming
> > > > masses quiescent until it is too late. Hale-Bopp is nothing more than
> > > > a distant star, and will draw no closer."[2] She claimed that the Hale-
> > > > Bopp story was manufactured to distract people from the imminent
> > > > arrival of a large planetary object, "Planet X", which would soon pass
> > > > by Earth and destroy civilization.[2] After Hale-Bopp's perihelion
> > > > revealed it as one of the brightest and longest-observed comets of the
> > > > last century,[3] Lieder removed the first two sentences of her initial
> > > > statement from her site, though they can still be found in Google's
> > > > archives.[2] Her claims eventually made the New York Times.[4"
>
> > > That's her!
>
> > > She and her disciples bedeviled sci.astro and sci.astro.amateur for
> > > several years with this b.s. AFAIK, she still has a web site wherein
> > > she is mouthpiecing for the Zetas, and still claiming that Planet X is
> > > going to destroy us Any Moment Now!!!
>
> > So what does she recommend? �Sturdy umbrellas? �I don't feel like it
> > would help a great deal to prepare for a planet smacking into me.
>
> She has a sort of cottage industry in pushing survival skills and
> 'safe places'. I don't know if she makes money from that, but she
> certainly has stick-to-it-iveness.
>
> And Planet X won't be hitting Earth; its spectacular magnetic field
> will grab our magnetic field and do a 90 degree pole shift. Literally
> shifting the poles to the Equator, with all the sliding of the crust
> over the mantle that implies.
>
> But there are safe places!
>
> See? Much fun.
>
> > > IIRC, when her predicted dead-by date passed without, well, mass
> > > death, she reported that the Zetas had purposely given false
> > > information as some sort of test.
>
> > Perhaps a test to see how many idiots would believe the obvious
> > lies.
>
> I think she's a True Believer herself. She puts far too much time and
> energy into it, with little apparent gain other than a certain
> celebrity/notoriety. If you read some of the blog entries in sites
> linked to ZetaTalk, you'll see that there is a small hard core of
> believers that feed her; and the odd woo-woo happens upon her stuff to
> add to the hilarity.
>
What would be funny is if the Zetans were the government conspiricy.
Perhaps the government is trying to work up a small cadre of people
who are pro-chip-in-the-brain so that in 2012, when their technology
is ready, they will be able to convert the Zeta folk into a cadre of
government controlled assassins.
John Stockwell
> On Feb 14, 10:04 am, igotskillz22 <lacosanostrada...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Where is the mass Ronny Reagan showed us in 1983 ?
>
> > Where is it NOW ?
>
> > Can some of the monkey's uncles please help out here ?
>
> > Thank you
>
> This is where it was
>
> Somehow it was not moving, ha !!!!!!!!!!
>
> http://web.ipac.caltech.edu/staff/tchester/iras/washington_post_myste...
Apparently this article is a sensationalized reaction to the
following paper:
March 1, 1984 Astrophysical Journal Letters (278:L63) by Houck et al
titled Unidentified point sources in the IRAS minisurvey discussed
nine 60 �m sources which had "no counterparts in a variety of catalogs
of nonstellar objects. Four objects have no visible counterparts."
http://web.ipac.caltech.edu/staff/tchester/iras/no_tenth_planet_yet.html
The rest of this is Zecharias Sitchin bullshit. Sitchin has made up
all kinds of pseudo archaeology about the Sumerians possessing
advanced scientific knowledge---while they were advanced for
their era, they, too, never figured out that the earth is round
or that the planets go around the sun.
http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/
-John
Tom McDonald
> On Feb 17, 12:58嚙緘m, Tom McDonald <kilt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 17, 2:43嚙緘m, Inez <savagemouse...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 17, 12:12嚙緘m, Tom McDonald <kilt...@gmail.com> wrote:
:-)
igotskillz22
Not sure what you are saying John.
It almost appears that you are stating that the 1983 article i
referred to is a reaction to the paper you cite, which was published
in 1984.
Your article refers to a planet 4 times the sun and headed our way.
May article refers to no such thing. My article states that the mass
is stationary. I suppose you can drag up all sorts of irrellevant
articles and say that they are right, and they may be.
How about addressing what i state if you want to debunk me? I would
love to be debunked. If you choose to create my position and argue it
basically all you will discover is that you are arguing with yourself
and you will have all sorts of clowns agreeing with your arguments,
even though your argument does not pertain to my statements.
Jesse's video has shock value.
This one does not and it is much more dire.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6r5ne_solar-storms-alert-2008-2012-discov_news
Mitchell Coffey
> In article <0htu47xqn....@fenris.cjb.net>,
>
>
>
> > John Wilkins wrote, on 10-02-17 10:17 PM:
> > > In article
> > > Michael Siemon<mlsie...@sonic.net> �wrote:
>
> > >> In article<180220101118236451%j...@wilkins.id.au>,
> > >> � John Wilkins<j...@wilkins.id.au> �wrote:
>
> > >>> In article
> > >>> <df46388c-80d8-4a3f-979e-109bfab2a...@j31g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > >>>>> Exactly what does "middle of its orbit through the galaxy"
> > >>>>> mean? Is it an indication that you believe the solar system
> > >>>>> will be at the center of the galaxy? If not, what is it?
>
> > >>>> The galactic plane
>
> > >>> So there's an exact point that is the "middle"? The galaxy here is,
> > >>> according to Monty Python, about 3000 light years wide. That means that
> > >>> a couple of years either side shouldn't make the slightest difference.
> > >>> According to Wikipedia, the average thickness of the stellar disk is
> > >>> around 1000ly, but that hardly helps.
>
> > >> Well, _you_ know. It's just like when the Earth is exactly on the
> > >> plane of the solar system. Utter havoc. Twice a year. For thousands
> > >> of years of human history. No wonder we are so fucked up...
>
> > >> But I bet you ignorantunskilled couldn't tell us when _that_ happens.
>
> > > It leaves me somewhat unequinamous
>
> > Well, were you to take a stand about something it might be a turning point.
>
> > :-)
>
> Hey, Sol - stick to what you know! Cancer can be a real nightmare.
> It may be corny, but I'd rather spend time on the isle of Capri.
You and Tiberius! I remember fondly the bits from Suetonius that went
untranslated.
Mitchell
Michael Siemon
<12b5c762-b67c-4f7f...@g19g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
Mitchell Coffey <m.co...@starpower.net> wrote:
Suetonius' naughty bits?
Tom McDonald
The article was in a newspaper dated December 31, 1083; the paper was
in a journal dated March 1, 1984. The article does not mention the
paper, but does seem to suggest its author talked to the paper's
author.
Lead times in referred journals being what they are, almost exactly
two months between the article and the paper is about right, or even
pretty fast.
> Your article refers to a planet 4 times the sun and headed our way.
>
> May article refers to no such thing. My article states that the mass
> is stationary. I suppose you can drag up all sorts of irrellevant
> articles and say that they are right, and they may be.
Last I read, the point source of IR radiation was a diffuse
interstellar gas cloud. Nothing to see in visible light, and little
impediment to light 'behind' it getting to Earth -- but visible in IR
with the extremely sensitive IRAS camera.
You got anything newer?
> How about addressing what i state if you want to debunk me? I would
> love to be debunked. If you choose to create my position and argue it
> basically all you will discover is that you are arguing with yourself
> and you will have all sorts of clowns agreeing with your arguments,
> even though your argument does not pertain to my statements.
>
> Jesse's video has shock value.
>
> This one does not and it is much more dire.
>
> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6r5ne_solar-storms-alert-2008-2012-...
igotskillz22
I wish. I guess NASA didn't feel the need to reevaluate this mass or
share any data with us.
Any Idea why Pluto is no longer blue ?
Dan Drake
(in article <6g9on5pltlpvqpk67...@4ax.com>):
> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:39:05 -0800 (PST), igotskillz22
> <lacosano...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> (CUTS)
>
>> I will tell you this about the mayans, They correctly determined the
>> date which our sun will be in the middle of its orbit through the
>> galaxy.
>
> ROTFL! The "middle" from what point of reference?! Certainly not
> the center of the galaxy: we're on the outer edge of the
> Sagittarius arm (if I recall correctly). There is no way Sol
> System can be in the "middle" orbit "through the galaxy."
>
> Gods, you're silly!
>
>> We will be amidst the most amount of whatever force that keeps
>> the stars in place.
>
> The stars are not kept in place, clown.
>
>> Ever wonder why the stars stay the same distance apart ?
>
> False assertion, therefore *DISMISSED!*
>
> Are you "All-seething-I?"
>
>> Whatever it is, we are in the middle.
>
> No, we are on the edge.
>
>> The Mayans knew it, thank god they aren't as arrogant as you.
>
> Yeah, capturing neighbors and cutting out their hearts to keep the
> sun from going too far south--- that ain't as arrogant as asking
> why you're nuts
Wait, I thought that was Aztec, some years later.
But then, the guru keeps telling me All Is Maya.
.
>
>> The Sumerians, would you like their take on this date?
>
> Appears Mental.
>
>> They have never been wrong you know that, right?
>
> LOL!
>
>
>
--
Dan Drake
d...@dandrake.com
Dan Drake
(in article <hlikbc$ig1$1...@news.eternal-september.org>):
Straighten it up by reading it the Parable of the Good Trajectory.
--
Dan Drake
d...@dandrake.com
Burkhard
Maya is the bee's knee, so to speak
Cory Albrecht
It's those philosopher types. They think they got all the angles...
Cory Albrecht
Well, I guess the Dunning-Kruger effect must be of superior fitness in
some niche, somewhere...
Cory Albrecht
What is it with the correlation fundagelical wackaloonery and lack of a
sense of humour?
What is the environmental constraint in that niche that makes it
selectively advantageous to not grok a simple pun cascade?
Bob Casanova
appeared in talk.origins, posted by igotskillz22
>On Feb 17, 5:26�pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:39:05 -0800 (PST), the following
>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by igotskillz22
>> <lacosanostrada...@gmail.com>:
<snip>
>> >I will tell you this about the mayans, They correctly determined the
>> >date which our sun will be in the middle of its orbit through the
>> >galaxy. We will be amidst the most amount of whatever force that keeps
>> >the stars in place.
>> Exactly what does "middle of its orbit through the galaxy"
>> mean? Is it an indication that you believe the solar system
>> will be at the center of the galaxy? If not, what is it?
>
>The galactic plane
Uh-huh. This...
http://www.ask.com/wiki/Milky_Way#Sun.27s_location_and_neighborhood
....says "The Sun is currently 5�30 parsecs from the central
plane of the galactic disc." That's 16-97 lightyears. And
you claim we'll be at the plane in less than three years.
Even if the solar system is currently moving toward, rather
than away from, the plane, do you perhaps see any potential
problems with your claim?
>> >Ever wonder why the stars stay the same distance apart ?
>>
>> They don't. So much for Mayan superscience...
[Crickets...]
<snip>
>> >The Sumerians, would you like their take on this date ? They have
>> >never been wrong you know that, right ?
>> The Sumerians have never been wrong? So all 162 deities
>> mentioned here...
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Mesopotamian_deities
>>
>> ....actually exist? Cool!
>Sumer and Mesopotamia were different places, but you knew that,
>right ?
Which had essentially identical pantheons. But you read the
material on the link I posted and thus knew that, right?
>Sumerians refer to 1 God.
No, they don't. They might refer to one god at a time, but
their pantheon was over 160 of them.
>The arrogance in this forum is putrifying
"putrifying"? You really need to take those remedial English
courses...
Bob Casanova
<snip>
>Any Idea why Pluto is no longer blue ?
It got screwed by the astronomical community, and is thus no
longer blue.
igotskillz22
> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:28:09 -0800, Desertphile wrote
I should have been more specific, sorry.
They have never been wrong about the orientation of the stars. They
described Pluto in ways we did not again realize until the late 70's.
Interestingly, Eris will be at it's farthest from the sun in 2012.
Where I stand is this.
The Sumerians refer to a supreme God. One guy. The rest, in my mind
could be references to saints.
Sumerians described a big ole planet swinging through the inner solar
system any day now as it does every 3600 years.
IF that is correct, that is bad right there.
The Mayans came up with 2012 using a different formula. That in itself
is fairly compelling.
The Mayans accurately realized that day is when the earth is in the
middle of the galactic plane, where we have an equal mass above and
below us.
The sun will be having its polar reversal at that time. Thats when
the sun has most flares.
Our magnetosphere is waning and prone to solar flares. How weak is the
only question.
Caranx latus
> On Feb 18, 6:36 pm, Dan Drake <d...@dandrake.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:28:09 -0800, Desertphile wrote
<snip>
>>>> The Sumerians, would you like their take on this date?
>>> Appears Mental.
>>>> They have never been wrong you know that, right?
>>> LOL!
>
> I should have been more specific, sorry.
>
> They have never been wrong about the orientation of the stars. They
> described Pluto in ways we did not again realize until the late 70's.
>
> Interestingly, Eris will be at it's farthest from the sun in 2012.
>
> Where I stand is this.
>
> The Sumerians refer to a supreme God. One guy. The rest, in my mind
> could be references to saints.
>
> Sumerians described a big ole planet swinging through the inner solar
> system any day now as it does every 3600 years.
>
> IF that is correct, that is bad right there.
It isn't correct. From <http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/nibiru/nibiru.htm>:
"...there isn't a single text in the entire cuneiform record that:
* Has nibiru as a planet beyond Pluto
* Connects nibiru with the Anunnaki
* Has nibiru cycling through our solar system every 3600 years"
<snip>
igotskillz22
Hey, i wish you well
Tom McDonald
<snip>
> The Mayans came up with 2012 using a different formula. That in itself
> is fairly compelling.
>
> The Mayans accurately realized that day is when the earth is in the
> middle of the galactic plane, where we have an equal mass above and
> below us.
This is a pet gripe of mine: 'Mayan' is not an all-purpose adjective
or plural. It is only properly used wrt their languages. As in "one of
the Mayan languages", or "the term for [x] in Yucatec' Mayan is. . .
".
In all other cases, the proper usage is 'Maya'. As in 'Maya prophesy'
or 'Maya astronomy'.
For a quick look, check out these Wikipedia entries:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_civilization
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayan_languages
While this may not seem to be a big deal, if you claim to have studied
Maya astronomy and continue to use 'Mayan' improperly, fewer
knowledgeable people will take you seriously.
I know that most of what I would consider the woo-woos on these issues
use 'Mayan' in the way you have. But perhaps you might consider how it
makes you look if you are informed about proper, respectful usage of
'Maya' and 'Mayan', and
continue to use improper, disrespectful terms.
If you think the ancient Maya were on to something important, or even
find their astronomy and math outstanding (not to mention the modern
Maya people themselves -- they are still here), respect would seem to
be called for.
<snip>
Mike Lyle
> igotskillz22 wrote, on 10-02-18 02:40 AM:
>>
>> Intellectual jerkoffs rarely have much more than big words and small
>> dicks.
>
> What is it with the correlation fundagelical wackaloonery and lack of
> a sense of humour?
>
> What is the environmental constraint in that niche that makes it
> selectively advantageous to not grok a simple pun cascade?
Odd, isn't it? I suppose it's to do with scriptural literalism: too
scary to face the thought that a word might have another meaning.
Consider Backspace, for whom language is a terrifying quicksand, in
which even the indefinite article is probably suspect. (I suppose that's
a sort of converse of punsterdom. The dark side of the luna.)
--
Mike.
Mark Isaak
Given the fact that you have been wrong about every other substantive
point you have brought up, my guess is that Pluto is the same color it
has been for the last 5000 years at least.
--
Mark Isaak eciton (at) earthlink (dot) net
"It is certain, from experience, that the smallest grain of natural
honesty and benevolence has more effect on men's conduct, than the most
pompous views suggested by theological theories and systems." - D. Hume
Caranx latus
wrote:
What's even more amazing about Backspace is that, even though language
has no sure footing, he persists in using it to try to communicate.
Inasmuch as he doesn't understand what any one else says to him, why
does he then expect anyone else to understand *him*? Were I in his
position, I suspect that I would shut up, sit in one spot for hours on
end, thick deep and insightful thoughts that can't possibly be shared
with anyone else, and otherwise try to keep busy by picking fleas off
myself.
John Stockwell
The 1983 article in the Washington Post was a reaction to a
preliminary
report on objects observed by the IRAS probe. Scientific matters go
through a review process before the publication of a paper, so the
peer reviewed publication of those preliminary reports is the 1984
paper:
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1984ApJ...278L..63H
I don't know where you get the idea that there is a planet headed
toward the inner solar system. The items are *red*
shifted, which means that they are heading away from us. If they
were heading toward is, the objects would be "blue" shifted. It's
the doppler effect.
A follow up paper published in 1985 showed that these objects
turned out to be distant galaxies
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1985ApJ...290L...5H/L000005.000.html
Conclusion: there isn't any planet. The Washington Post article was
sensationialistic crap.
> Jesse's video has shock value.
..but no other apparent value.
>
> This one does not and it is much more dire.
>
> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6r5ne_solar-storms-alert-2008-2012-...
Yes. There is a threat from solar flares for the power grid and for
electronics.
The odds are pretty rare of such things happening, and there really
isn't
any science supporting the notion that 2012 is anything special,
except
that it supposed to be a solar maxiumum year, just like the ones that
occur
every 11 years.
-John
Ernest Major
<eci...@earthlink.net> writes
the citation he gave in another thread
(<URL:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100204/ap_on_sc/us_sci_pluto>)
Pluto's colour has changed from yellow-orange to a redder yellow-orange.
One also wonders why he asked for a reason, given his source gives an
explanation - changes to the surface distribution of nitrogen ices,
which is probably related to it being currently being high summer
(somewhat post-perihelion) on Pluto.
--
alias Ernest Major
John Wilkins
<bea2e93e-1051-474f...@v25g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Caranx latus <kar...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
I think literalists take a magical view of words. They have Power, and
the mere uttering of the Right Words, the Evangel, will magically cause
us all to choose our path, that of the Lord (whose magical name may not
even be uttered) or the Enemy (whose magical name you shouldn't utter
in case you invoke).
igotskillz22
Fair enough.
After years of ridicule i admit i have little patience for being
insulted and that has shortened my fuse.
Oddly, i recently encountered a boisterous clown who asserted that the
Maya do not exist anymore.
Apparently a few existed after the massive dieoff. Maybe they stayed
inside those temples as may have the Egyptians ?
All of these doomsday cultures built bunkers and then dies off with
the exception of just a few. Some of them lived on. I maintain that
they stayed within the temples.
Tom McDonald
Not so much.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_peoples
"There are an estimated 7 million Maya living in this area at the
start of the 21st century[2]. Ethnic Maya of Guatemala, southern
Mexico and the Yucatan Peninsula, Belize, El Salvador, and western
Honduras have managed to maintain substantial remnants of their
ancient cultural heritage. Some are quite integrated into the modern
cultures of the nations in which they reside, while others continue a
more traditional culturally distinct life, often speaking one of the
Mayan languages as a primary language."
igotskillz22
Pluto was the same color for 6000 years. Maybe if you werent so
pompous you would consider researching the issue.
igotskillz22
>
> Conclusion: there isn't any planet. The Washington Post article was
> sensationialistic crap.
>
> > Jesse's video has shock value.
>
> ..but no other apparent value.
>
>
>
> > This one does not and it is much more dire.
>
> >http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6r5ne_solar-storms-alert-2008-2012-...
>
> Yes. There is a threat from solar flares for the power grid and for
> electronics.
> The odds are pretty rare of such things happening, and there really
> isn't
> any science supporting the notion that 2012 is anything special,
> except
> that it supposed to be a solar maxiumum year, just like the ones that
> occur
> every 11 years.
>
> -John
You may want to research Solar Maximums, including the last one and
how Quebec felt about it.
I am not so sure about it being exactly 11 years each time, I have
seen differing opinions on that.
While you are researching, as opposed to simply disproving me with the
first convenient website you find, you may find some useful data.
If in fact the Sumerians planet is not another planet then what is
it ?
Venus' temp has doubled in my lifetime. It is probably of the same
composition as earth. Same mass, too.
Maybe there is no planet X, I do not trust any data from NASA and am
left to sift through data witheld for 7 or more years at a time.
If you research temperatures on Venus and the boiling points of
various elements it is quite possible that Venus will appear as a
second sun for a short time.
I do feel that the increased strains on our solar system, whatever
they may be, are still growing. I haven't heard of any planets that
are cooling.
See, so many different cultures point to this period that if one is
right then mankind is in for a beatdown.