Dana Tweedy <twee...
> "J McCoy" <mc...
@sunset.net> wrote in message
> > "Dana Tweedy" <twee...
@cvn.net> wrote in message
> Again, you ignore what I wrote, why is that? What do you fear?
> > Actually, what you've done is sidestep the rea questions. You think by
> > focusing on where my quotations come from, the validity of using them,
> > and like questions, that you can avoid dealing with the actual
> > quotations themselves. The more power to me.
> Actually there is no need for me to "deal with the quotations". It's
> already been well established that the quotes you stole from the other site
> were taken out of context, and do not mean what you want them to. My point
> is to show that by stealing the quotes in the first place, lying about where
> they came from, and then trying to excuse your stealing and lying by
> claiming "the ends justify the means" , you are behaving in a dishonest and
> unChristian manner. That the quotes are themsevles lies is another matter
> > You're trying to choke off the pipeline of quotations, as thus every
> > other evolutionist has done.
> Again, there is no need to "choke off the pipeline of quotations". The
> quotations are falsehoods. Lies of omission. I leave it to others to
> demostrate how those quotes are dishonest. I am content to show that you
> are dishonest in how you use them.
> > If a quotation is used, you:
> > 1. Accuse of taking out of context
> It's been amply shown by several posters that those quotes are indeed taken
> out of context.
> > 2. Plagiarizing
> Stealing another person's words without attribution is plagurizing. You
> quoted from "Anointed one"'s site without making proper attribution.
> Futhermore you implied that you made photocopies of the original sources.
> That is another falsehood.
> > But you don't answer the real questions.
> You never presented any "real questions". You cut and pasted a bunch of
> misquotes and lies of omission. You didn't present any real questions that
> required an answer.
> > You never:
> > 1. prove these to be out of context.
> That has already been done, by several posters. Why should I re-invent the
> > 2. deal with the fact that a evolutionist has admitted a portion of
> > evolution to be fraudulent, hence the quotation.
> Those quotations were carefully taken out of context, to change the meaning.
> The "evolutionist(s)" in those quotations was NOT admitting that "a portion
> of evolution" was "fraudulent". That is the whole point of a "lie of
> omission", to omit the part of the person's words that explains and
> clarifies the person's position. Those quotes you stole are classic lies
> of omission. They are false, and using them is perpetrating a falsehood.
> This is beside the point that your use of them was at best dishonest, and at
> worst despicable.
I think it is worth observing too that not only were these quotes taken
carefully out of context, but that they *must* have been *deliberately*
done so. After reading a large number of these quotes in the original
publications, and further reading other folks' unearthing of the context
of those I could not find there is no way these could have been taken
accidentally or in ignorance out of the context.
Several of them turn out to be railing against creationists. More than a
few turn out to be making the exact opposite point and at least one was
reporting secondarily on the ideas of others in order to rebut them.
Once is a mitake, twice is carelessness, three times could be stupidity,
but the sheer volume of these is a deliberately planned campaign of
Add to this McShameless' claim to "have kept photocopies" of the
original sources and he comes out, unsurprisingly, a total liar, but
underlying *him* is this campaign of lies worthy of the Soviets or
And these guys are justifying this on the grounds that to do so will
lead us infidels to the Lord of Truth ... someone once said that you
will know them by the fruit they bear. It is clear that this is a
campaign designed to attract the ignorant to the Lord of Lies instead.
"Listen to your heart, not the voices in your head" - Marge Simpson