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Dale
Jul 8, 2012, 1:56:09 AM7/8/12
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Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
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Dale
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Dale
Boikat
Jul 8, 2012, 4:02:36 AM7/8/12
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On Jul 8, 12:56 am, Dale <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
No.
> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
Boikat
Attila
Jul 8, 2012, 8:18:22 AM7/8/12
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Dale wrote:
> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
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How do you "have Chinese"?
> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
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Ernest Major
Jul 8, 2012, 8:54:38 AM7/8/12
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In message <jtbtqe$84p$1...@dont-email.me>, Attila <jdka...@gmail.com>
writes
Chinese meal".
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alias Ernest Major
writes
>Dale wrote:
>
>> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
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>>
>How do you "have Chinese"?
>
A less colloquial rendition would be "(Dale) has recently consumed a
>
>> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
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>How do you "have Chinese"?
>
Chinese meal".
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alias Ernest Major
*Hemidactylus*
Jul 8, 2012, 11:18:23 AM7/8/12
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On 07/08/2012 01:56 AM, Dale wrote:
> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
You're stretching a bit here. Maggots give rise to flies. Insects are
> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
far removed from plants.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maggot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice
And if you think maggots spontaneously arise in a bag of rice, you have
some remedial biology to learn.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_generation
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Jul 8, 2012, 10:05:55 AM7/8/12
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On Sunday, July 8, 2012 6:56:09 AM UTC+1, Dale wrote:
> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
Because they look similar?
> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rice#Pests_and_diseases>
describes things that live off rice that aren't us.
http://www.microbiologytext.com/index.php?module=Book&func=displayarticle&art_id=27
discusses "spontaneous generation" of animals
from dead organic matter, which doesn't happen.
chris thompson
Jul 8, 2012, 11:34:01 AM7/8/12
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On Jul 8, 8:54�am, Ernest Major <{$t...@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <jtbtqe$84...@dont-email.me>, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com>
married to a woman from Beijing, what he means is "I just had food
that has a Chinese name but it's really what Chinese take-outs have
found sells best."
And no, maggots do not come from rice- not rice grown in China, not
rice grown in California, and not rice grown in northern Italy.
Dale, quit posting when you're stoned.
Chris
> In message <jtbtqe$84...@dont-email.me>, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com>
> writes>Dale wrote:
>
> >> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
>
> >How do you "have Chinese"?
>
> A less colloquial rendition would be "(Dale) has recently consumed a
> Chinese meal".
> --
> alias Ernest Major
But in fact, since I've learned in the last 10 years or so being
>
> >> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
>
> >How do you "have Chinese"?
>
> A less colloquial rendition would be "(Dale) has recently consumed a
> Chinese meal".
> --
> alias Ernest Major
married to a woman from Beijing, what he means is "I just had food
that has a Chinese name but it's really what Chinese take-outs have
found sells best."
And no, maggots do not come from rice- not rice grown in China, not
rice grown in California, and not rice grown in northern Italy.
Dale, quit posting when you're stoned.
Chris
wiki trix
Jul 8, 2012, 12:01:17 PM7/8/12
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J.J. O'Shea
Jul 8, 2012, 12:15:30 PM7/8/12
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On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:01:17 -0400, wiki trix wrote
(in article
<a434c478-cf8f-4dcf...@re8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>):
The People's Armed Police may have a little word with you if you try. That's
_their_ job, after all.
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email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
(in article
<a434c478-cf8f-4dcf...@re8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>):
_their_ job, after all.
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email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
Attila
Jul 8, 2012, 12:45:22 PM7/8/12
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Beijing and the food there was equally great but totally different. I had a
dog stew in Changsha. It's a typical winter dish. The term "Chinesse food"
doesn't mean too much. You need to specify the region.
Attila
Jul 8, 2012, 12:47:12 PM7/8/12
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chris thompson
Jul 8, 2012, 12:58:10 PM7/8/12
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Italian food is rice-based, while southern Italian food (where my
mother was born, outside Naples) is noodle-based. And that's the most
superficial difference.
Chris
And China is a heck of a lot bigger than Italy, with consequent
regional variations- although, to be honest, dog stew comes a bit of a
surprise.
Ron O
Jul 8, 2012, 12:50:19 PM7/8/12
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raven1
Jul 8, 2012, 1:10:17 PM7/8/12
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raven1
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Attila
Jul 8, 2012, 2:54:37 PM7/8/12
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Austrian border. Risotto is certainly popular up here as are gnocchi
including strange and wonderful things like gnocchi di prugne (plum
gnocchi). Polenta is very popular and served with virtually everything on
both sides of the Italian-Slovenian border. But you can also get every
conceivable type of pasta as well.
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> Chris
>
> And China is a heck of a lot bigger than Italy, with consequent
> regional variations- although, to be honest, dog stew comes a bit of a
> surprise.
cages outside with animals inside them waiting to be killed and cooked. They
eat virtually any kind of meat and the more exotic the better, or so it
seemed.
wiki trix
Jul 8, 2012, 3:36:01 PM7/8/12
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would not be interested in actually eating inhabitants (people or
otherwise) anywhere. But I would not be surprised if human is served
in restaurants in China. You may have eaten some there without knowing
it. There seems to be a tendency to treat people as livestock there.
Slave workers, baby-mills for adoption export, trafficking in the
involuntary human organ for transplant trade, etc. Eating humans is
not much of a stretch. I think that doing this to animals is just as
bad, by the way.
Richard Norman
Jul 8, 2012, 3:51:09 PM7/8/12
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plants, fungi, various algae and bacteria....
Wasn't there a recent thread here about eating rocks? Good source of
minerals there.
Boikat
Jul 8, 2012, 3:44:30 PM7/8/12
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Beach"...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb3p2Ga0xW8
Boikat
Glenn
Jul 8, 2012, 4:23:34 PM7/8/12
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Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Jul 8, 2012, 4:33:19 PM7/8/12
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be ashamed of having written it.
Glenn
Jul 8, 2012, 4:47:52 PM7/8/12
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> And China is a heck of a lot bigger than Italy, with consequent
> regional variations- although, to be honest, dog stew comes a bit of a
> surprise.
Dog is a delicatissy in many locals. Have you ever noticed any dogs
> And China is a heck of a lot bigger than Italy, with consequent
> regional variations- although, to be honest, dog stew comes a bit of a
> surprise.
around a Taco Bell?
J.J. O'Shea
Jul 8, 2012, 4:50:17 PM7/8/12
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On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 16:23:34 -0400, Glenn wrote
(in article
<1b7b782f-6bb9-4110...@y3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>):
Only if you were looking for a hiding place.
> and you'd get constipated. But you already are.
>
(in article
<1b7b782f-6bb9-4110...@y3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>):
> and you'd get constipated. But you already are.
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MarkA
Jul 8, 2012, 4:58:03 PM7/8/12
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 01:56:09 -0400, Dale wrote:
> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
You're thinking of that scene from the movie, "The Lost Boys"
> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
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MarkA
If you can read this, you can stop reading now.
J.J. O'Shea
Jul 8, 2012, 5:14:10 PM7/8/12
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On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 16:47:52 -0400, Glenn wrote
(in article
<2a6e7dd1-b4d4-439e...@tu6g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>):
That's 'cause there are limits to what a dog will eat.
(in article
<2a6e7dd1-b4d4-439e...@tu6g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>):
Mike Painter
Jul 8, 2012, 5:43:29 PM7/8/12
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On 7/8/2012 8:34 AM, chris thompson wrote:
> But in fact, since I've learned in the last 10 years or so being
> married to a woman from Beijing, what he means is "I just had food
> that has a Chinese name but it's really what Chinese take-outs have
> found sells best."
A friend once asked what the Chinese writing on a T-Shirt said.
> But in fact, since I've learned in the last 10 years or so being
> married to a woman from Beijing, what he means is "I just had food
> that has a Chinese name but it's really what Chinese take-outs have
> found sells best."
The answer was
"American will eat anything."
Mike Painter
Jul 8, 2012, 5:50:43 PM7/8/12
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On 7/7/2012 10:56 PM, Dale wrote:
> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
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Ever think that rice is maggot shit?
> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
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The larvae that I see in rice once in a while comes from a fairly small
moth.
jillery
Jul 8, 2012, 6:12:53 PM7/8/12
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On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:44:30 -0700 (PDT), Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
A difference between some western and oriental cultures is the
importance of freshness. Combine that with until recently a lack of
refrigeration, and some of the practices mentioned above are at least
understandable. Having the cook do the actual slaughtering and
butchering is one way to assure the carcass doesn't spoil.
wrote:
importance of freshness. Combine that with until recently a lack of
refrigeration, and some of the practices mentioned above are at least
understandable. Having the cook do the actual slaughtering and
butchering is one way to assure the carcass doesn't spoil.
raven1
Jul 8, 2012, 6:34:18 PM7/8/12
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wiki trix
Jul 8, 2012, 6:36:46 PM7/8/12
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On Jul 8, 4:33 pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
It is shocking. But are you shocked by the possibility that it might
be true? Or that I would insinuate such a thing could happen?
be true? Or that I would insinuate such a thing could happen?
wiki trix
Jul 8, 2012, 6:33:35 PM7/8/12
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neurons, but for some people, such as myself, pain of the punished is
itself also a vicarious pain for the observer. But that varies
according to how closely related the punished species is to my self. I
do not care much about bacteria, for example. So I would not make a
good Jain.
There is a crippled squirrel that visits my yard. My wife and I
noticed him about a week ago. We nicknamed him wobbly. He is very slow
in walking and climbing and seems to shiver. His eyes are shut, and he
loses his balance a lot. He bumps into things and falls a lot. My wife
and I have been putting assorted unsalted nuts, like walnuts etc. for
the last five days. He has not gotten noticeably better or worse. We
are amazed that he has not been killed by a cat yet. But he has a good
appetite. When he picks up a nut with his hands to eat it, he wobbles
and false onto his side, and continues eating it like that. He even
ends up on his back while eating sometimes, and just stays like that
for the whole nut. We get a huge amount of pleasure trying to help
him. The unintended consequence may be that we are fueling a squirrel
population explosion in the neighborhood due to the availability of
lots of food to all the other squirrels. Perhaps down the road, there
will be a lot of new squirrels, and when we eventually stop putting
out nuts, a larger number may suffer from food shortage. So my
behavior may not be for the greatest good and reduced suffering.
I could not have had the same rapport with a bacterium. I am not
totally insane.
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Jul 8, 2012, 7:48:50 PM7/8/12
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little cannibalism in modern China, or anywhere,
although there may be other infelicities such
as you proposed.
Are you a vegetarian, in fact - and is that
on moral principle?
wiki trix
Jul 8, 2012, 8:53:48 PM7/8/12
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On Jul 8, 7:48 pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
I also suspect that there is relatively little cannibalism in China.
And I have no evidence that there actually is much cannibalism in
China or anywhere else. I did say however, that I would not be
surprised if human is served in restaurants in China. That could
happen anywhere. I have not been to China. But I have heard stories
about China that lead me to think that the individual is not well
repected, especially when they are poor.
> Are you a vegetarian, in fact - and is that
> on moral principle?
I am a vegetarian but I do not see myself as moral because of it. The
idea of it is repulsive to me. That is the main thing that prevents me
from eating meat. It bothers me a great deal that those animals suffer
as a result of the meat industry. That is true. And the ecological
destruction that results from that is worrisome. But I do purchase
meat for my dog, as I am convinced that he needs it. And If I was very
hungry, and all I had available to eat was meat, I suspect that I
would close my eyes and eat it to stay alive.
And I have no evidence that there actually is much cannibalism in
China or anywhere else. I did say however, that I would not be
surprised if human is served in restaurants in China. That could
happen anywhere. I have not been to China. But I have heard stories
about China that lead me to think that the individual is not well
repected, especially when they are poor.
> Are you a vegetarian, in fact - and is that
> on moral principle?
idea of it is repulsive to me. That is the main thing that prevents me
from eating meat. It bothers me a great deal that those animals suffer
as a result of the meat industry. That is true. And the ecological
destruction that results from that is worrisome. But I do purchase
meat for my dog, as I am convinced that he needs it. And If I was very
hungry, and all I had available to eat was meat, I suspect that I
would close my eyes and eat it to stay alive.
Richard Norman
Jul 8, 2012, 9:24:35 PM7/8/12
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Glenn
Jul 8, 2012, 9:49:54 PM7/8/12
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On Jul 8, 6:24 pm, Richard Norman <r_s_nor...@comcast.net> wrote:
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Attila
Jul 9, 2012, 1:09:18 AM7/9/12
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freshness over there.
jillery
Jul 9, 2012, 5:00:56 AM7/9/12
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in freshness regional? Or is it more-or-less pervasive throughout
China?
Attila
Jul 9, 2012, 8:15:03 AM7/9/12
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Changsha, Shanghai, Beijing, Tianjin, etc. China is quite big so I really
couldn't say much about it beyond Guangzhou, which I knew reasonably well.
Since students came to the university where I worked from all over China, my
feeling was that this concern over freshness was pretty pervasive. Maybe not
so much in Shanghai but I couldn't be sure of that.
Walter Bushell
Jul 9, 2012, 10:30:46 AM7/9/12
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In article
<6e73003a-56e7-4bd1...@d24g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
cooking and both from Chinese cooking in Italy and Italian food in
China.
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This space unintentionally left blank.
<6e73003a-56e7-4bd1...@d24g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> Chris
>
> And China is a heck of a lot bigger than Italy, with consequent
> regional variations- although, to be honest, dog stew comes a bit of a
> surprise.
Still you can tell the difference between Chinese cooking and Italian
>
> And China is a heck of a lot bigger than Italy, with consequent
> regional variations- although, to be honest, dog stew comes a bit of a
> surprise.
cooking and both from Chinese cooking in Italy and Italian food in
China.
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This space unintentionally left blank.
Walter Bushell
Jul 9, 2012, 10:36:01 AM7/9/12
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In article <0m2kv71j8aaotv4p7...@4ax.com>,
Just as much a humans in fact. Both are free to follow the laws of
physics.
Just as much a humans in fact. Both are free to follow the laws of
physics.
Walter Bushell
Jul 9, 2012, 10:40:56 AM7/9/12
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In article <XNCdnVdM7tidYmTS...@giganews.com>,
I think so. Anyone who would drink Coca Cola or chocolate covered
sugar bombs[1] et. al. should be free of food prejudices.
[1] Now made with 100% Whole Wheat!
sugar bombs[1] et. al. should be free of food prejudices.
[1] Now made with 100% Whole Wheat!
John Stockwell
Jul 9, 2012, 10:48:54 AM7/9/12
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On Saturday, July 7, 2012 11:56:09 PM UTC-6, Dale wrote:
> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
No Dale,
> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
That would be "spontaneous generation". Maggots are the larvae of flies.
-John
>
>
> --
> Dale
Walter Bushell
Jul 9, 2012, 10:53:06 AM7/9/12
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In article
<98b91058-30c0-4393...@vs10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
You know what firemen call squirrels? Portable fires. A nearby
neighbor of mine had an attic fire caused by a squirrel infestation,
for example.
"And maybe we'll do in a squirrel or two,
While we poisoning pigeons in the park." -- T. Lehrer
<98b91058-30c0-4393...@vs10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
neighbor of mine had an attic fire caused by a squirrel infestation,
for example.
"And maybe we'll do in a squirrel or two,
While we poisoning pigeons in the park." -- T. Lehrer
Dale
Jul 9, 2012, 11:19:12 PM7/9/12
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Dale
wiki trix
Jul 10, 2012, 12:21:44 AM7/10/12
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molecular clock data, was about 1.6 billion years ago. That was before
multi-cellulartity, which came about independently in plants and
animals. Rice is a multi-cellular plant and maggots are multi-cellular
animals. So no, maggots did not evolve from rice. But I think you knew
that.
Ernest Major
Jul 10, 2012, 4:30:56 AM7/10/12
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In message <5pcsh0....@news.alt.net>, Dale
<inv...@invalid.invalid> writes
That is also not true.
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alias Ernest Major
<inv...@invalid.invalid> writes
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SkyEyes
Jul 11, 2012, 4:03:21 AM7/11/12
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from my apartment in Langenselbold, FRG. It backed up to a great
trout stream. Sometimes when you went in, there was a tank full of
freshly caught trout for you to choose from, but if the tank was
empty, you could order trout anyway - the cook's helper, or the owner,
would just saunter out the back door and start casting. Within a half
hour, you'd have a beautiful ueber-fresh trout on your plate.
Yummers.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
jillery
Jul 11, 2012, 9:09:39 AM7/11/12
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 01:03:21 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes <skye...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Good point. But most westerners have different standards when it
comes to fish and shellfish. I know people who take pride in their
ability to filet a fish while the gills are still moving, but they
react to fried dog just like some Hindus react to roast beef.
wrote:
comes to fish and shellfish. I know people who take pride in their
ability to filet a fish while the gills are still moving, but they
react to fried dog just like some Hindus react to roast beef.
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Jul 11, 2012, 11:26:18 AM7/11/12
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On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:09:39 PM UTC+1, jillery wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 01:03:21 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes <skye...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Not unique to China. There was a wonderful Gasthaus down the street
> >from my apartment in Langenselbold, FRG. It backed up to a great
> >trout stream. Sometimes when you went in, there was a tank full of
> >freshly caught trout for you to choose from, but if the tank was
> >empty, you could order trout anyway - the cook's helper, or the owner,
> >would just saunter out the back door and start casting. Within a half
> >hour, you'd have a beautiful ueber-fresh trout on your plate.
> >Yummers.
from the plate. Well, a sporting chance, as
one says. I'm not sure that it /is/ "sporting",
really. Except in a sense of, "As flies to
wanton boys, are we to the gods; they kill us
for their sport." That sort of "sport".
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 01:03:21 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes <skye...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Not unique to China. There was a wonderful Gasthaus down the street
> >from my apartment in Langenselbold, FRG. It backed up to a great
> >trout stream. Sometimes when you went in, there was a tank full of
> >freshly caught trout for you to choose from, but if the tank was
> >empty, you could order trout anyway - the cook's helper, or the owner,
> >would just saunter out the back door and start casting. Within a half
> >hour, you'd have a beautiful ueber-fresh trout on your plate.
> >Yummers.
>
>
> Good point. But most westerners have different standards when it
> comes to fish and shellfish. I know people who take pride in their
> ability to filet a fish while the gills are still moving, but they
> react to fried dog just like some Hindus react to roast beef.
Lobster, rare, has a decent chance of escaping
>
> Good point. But most westerners have different standards when it
> comes to fish and shellfish. I know people who take pride in their
> ability to filet a fish while the gills are still moving, but they
> react to fried dog just like some Hindus react to roast beef.
from the plate. Well, a sporting chance, as
one says. I'm not sure that it /is/ "sporting",
really. Except in a sense of, "As flies to
wanton boys, are we to the gods; they kill us
for their sport." That sort of "sport".
Burkhard
Jul 11, 2012, 11:35:42 AM7/11/12
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On Jul 11, 4:26�pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
How should this be?
orig...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:09:39 PM UTC+1, jillery wrote:
> > On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 01:03:21 -0700 (PDT), SkyEyes <skyey...@yahoo.com>
> On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:09:39 PM UTC+1, jillery wrote:
Mitchell Coffey
Jul 11, 2012, 12:31:27 PM7/11/12
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On Sunday, July 8, 2012 4:47:52 PM UTC-4, Glenn wrote:
> On Jul 8, 9:58�am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 8, 12:45�pm, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
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> > > chris thompson wrote:
> > > > On Jul 8, 8:54 am, Ernest Major <{$t...@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >> In message <jtbtqe$84...@dont-email.me>, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com>
> > > >> writes>Dale wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from
> > > >> >> rice?
> >
> > > >> >How do you "have Chinese"?
> >
> > > >> A less colloquial rendition would be "(Dale) has recently consumed a
> > > >> Chinese meal".
> > > >> --
> > > >> alias Ernest Major
> >
> > > > But in fact, since I've learned in the last 10 years or so being
> > > > married to a woman from Beijing, what he means is "I just had food
> > > > that has a �Chinese name but it's really what Chinese take-outs have
> > > > found sells best."
> >
> > > > And no, maggots do not come from rice- not rice grown in China, not
> > > > rice grown in California, and not rice grown in northern Italy.
> >
> > > > Dale, quit posting when you're stoned.
> >
> > > > Chris
> >
> > > I second that. Lived in Guangzhou for 2 years: amazing food. I went to
> > > Beijing and the food there was equally great but totally different. I had a
> > > dog stew in Changsha. It's a typical winter dish. The term "Chinesse food"
> > > doesn't mean too much. You need to specify the region.
> >
> > Yup. It's like saying "Italian food". Meaningless. Much of northern
> > Italian food is rice-based, while southern Italian food (where my
> > mother was born, outside Naples) is noodle-based. And that's the most
> > superficial difference.
> >
> It could be said that Marzu isa no superficial to the subject.
> >
> > And China is a heck of a lot bigger than Italy, with consequent
> > regional variations- although, to be honest, dog stew comes a bit of a
> > surprise.
>
> Dog is a delicatissy in many locals. Have you ever noticed any dogs
> around a Taco Bell?
That only proves, unlike humans, there are certain things a dog won't eat.
Mitchell
> On Jul 8, 9:58�am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 8, 12:45�pm, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > chris thompson wrote:
> > > > On Jul 8, 8:54 am, Ernest Major <{$t...@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >> In message <jtbtqe$84...@dont-email.me>, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com>
> > > >> writes>Dale wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from
> > > >> >> rice?
> >
> > > >> >How do you "have Chinese"?
> >
> > > >> A less colloquial rendition would be "(Dale) has recently consumed a
> > > >> Chinese meal".
> > > >> --
> > > >> alias Ernest Major
> >
> > > > But in fact, since I've learned in the last 10 years or so being
> > > > married to a woman from Beijing, what he means is "I just had food
> > > > that has a �Chinese name but it's really what Chinese take-outs have
> > > > found sells best."
> >
> > > > And no, maggots do not come from rice- not rice grown in China, not
> > > > rice grown in California, and not rice grown in northern Italy.
> >
> > > > Dale, quit posting when you're stoned.
> >
> > > > Chris
> >
> > > I second that. Lived in Guangzhou for 2 years: amazing food. I went to
> > > Beijing and the food there was equally great but totally different. I had a
> > > dog stew in Changsha. It's a typical winter dish. The term "Chinesse food"
> > > doesn't mean too much. You need to specify the region.
> >
> > Yup. It's like saying "Italian food". Meaningless. Much of northern
> > Italian food is rice-based, while southern Italian food (where my
> > mother was born, outside Naples) is noodle-based. And that's the most
> > superficial difference.
> >
> It could be said that Marzu isa no superficial to the subject.
> >
> > And China is a heck of a lot bigger than Italy, with consequent
> > regional variations- although, to be honest, dog stew comes a bit of a
> > surprise.
>
> Dog is a delicatissy in many locals. Have you ever noticed any dogs
> around a Taco Bell?
That only proves, unlike humans, there are certain things a dog won't eat.
Mitchell
Glenn
Jul 11, 2012, 2:16:30 PM7/11/12
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Jeffrey Turner
Jul 11, 2012, 9:19:21 PM7/11/12
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On 7/8/2012 1:56 AM, Dale wrote:
> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=disco%20rice
> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=disco%20rice
Glenn
Jul 11, 2012, 9:32:52 PM7/11/12
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On Jul 9, 7:48 am, John Stockwell <john.19071...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, July 7, 2012 11:56:09 PM UTC-6, Dale wrote:
> > Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
>
> No Dale,
>
> That would be "spontaneous generation". Maggots are the larvae of flies.
>
I've never regarded rice as inanimate matter, but then again I've
> On Saturday, July 7, 2012 11:56:09 PM UTC-6, Dale wrote:
> > Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
>
> No Dale,
>
> That would be "spontaneous generation". Maggots are the larvae of flies.
>
never seen cooked rice in a bowl crawl around either.
wiki trix
Jul 11, 2012, 10:11:19 PM7/11/12
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On Jul 11, 9:32 pm, Glenn <GlennShel...@msn.com> wrote:
> On Jul 9, 7:48 am, John Stockwell <john.19071...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Saturday, July 7, 2012 11:56:09 PM UTC-6, Dale wrote:
> > > Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
>
> > No Dale,
>
> > That would be "spontaneous generation". Maggots are the larvae of flies.
>
> I've never regarded rice as inanimate matter,
OK. So you regarded rice as animate matter? Odd...
> On Jul 9, 7:48 am, John Stockwell <john.19071...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Saturday, July 7, 2012 11:56:09 PM UTC-6, Dale wrote:
> > > Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
>
> > No Dale,
>
> > That would be "spontaneous generation". Maggots are the larvae of flies.
>
> I've never regarded rice as inanimate matter,
> but then again I've
> never seen cooked rice in a bowl crawl around either.
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Jul 11, 2012, 10:22:31 PM7/11/12
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On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 4:35:42 PM UTC+1, Burkhard wrote:
> On Jul 11, 4:26�pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
> orig...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
> > Lobster, rare, has a decent chance of escaping
> > from the plate. �Well, a sporting chance, as
> > one says. �I'm not sure that it /is/ "sporting",
> > really. �Except in a sense of, "As flies to
> > wanton boys, are we to the gods; they kill us
> > for their sport." �That sort of "sport".
>
> How should this be?
It goes in the pot live. So if it isn't
in for too long.... given the water is
boiling, not long at all...
> On Jul 11, 4:26�pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
> orig...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
> > Lobster, rare, has a decent chance of escaping
> > from the plate. �Well, a sporting chance, as
> > one says. �I'm not sure that it /is/ "sporting",
> > really. �Except in a sense of, "As flies to
> > wanton boys, are we to the gods; they kill us
> > for their sport." �That sort of "sport".
>
> How should this be?
It goes in the pot live. So if it isn't
in for too long.... given the water is
boiling, not long at all...
Glenn
Jul 11, 2012, 10:50:09 PM7/11/12
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Mike Painter
Jul 11, 2012, 11:59:56 PM7/11/12
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On 7/11/2012 8:26 AM, Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc
I'd say that it has less of a chance than the rock scallops I
occasionally found while SCUBA diving. They never made it out of the water.
occasionally found while SCUBA diving. They never made it out of the water.
Mike Painter
Jul 12, 2012, 12:02:24 AM7/12/12
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I've seen about half of it try to crawl out of the frying pan.
Verminacelli?
Glenn
Jul 12, 2012, 12:17:03 AM7/12/12
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wiki trix
Jul 12, 2012, 9:04:26 AM7/12/12
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you think rice is "animated matter".
wiki trix
Jul 12, 2012, 9:07:09 AM7/12/12
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chris thompson
Jul 12, 2012, 9:32:04 AM7/12/12
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On Jul 8, 1:10 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 08:34:01 -0700 (PDT), chris thompson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >married to a woman from Beijing, what he means is "I just had food
> >that has a Chinese name but it's really what Chinese take-outs have
> >found sells best."
>
> ---
> raven1
> aa # 1096
> EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
> BAAWA Knight
I needed a double-take to get that. Excellent!
Chris
> On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 08:34:01 -0700 (PDT), chris thompson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 8, 8:54 am, Ernest Major <{$t...@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >> In message <jtbtqe$84...@dont-email.me>, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com>
> >> In message <jtbtqe$84...@dont-email.me>, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com>
> >> writes>Dale wrote:
>
> >> >> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
>
>
> >> >> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
>
> >> >How do you "have Chinese"?
>
> >> A less colloquial rendition would be "(Dale) has recently consumed a
> >> Chinese meal".
> >> --
> >> alias Ernest Major
>
> >But in fact, since I've learned in the last 10 years or so being
>
> >> A less colloquial rendition would be "(Dale) has recently consumed a
> >> Chinese meal".
> >> --
> >> alias Ernest Major
>
> >married to a woman from Beijing, what he means is "I just had food
> >that has a Chinese name but it's really what Chinese take-outs have
> >found sells best."
>
> >And no, maggots do not come from rice- not rice grown in China, not
> >And no, maggots do not come from rice- not rice grown in China, not
> >rice grown in California, and not rice grown in northern Italy.
>
>
> >Dale, quit posting when you're stoned.
>
> Dale experimented with pot, but he didn't exhale.
>
>
> ---
> raven1
> aa # 1096
> EAC Vice President (President in charge of vice)
> BAAWA Knight
I needed a double-take to get that. Excellent!
Chris
chris thompson
Jul 12, 2012, 9:30:37 AM7/12/12
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On Jul 8, 4:47 pm, Glenn <GlennShel...@msn.com> wrote:
from college, I had an urge for Asian food (or, as I wrote upthread)
what Americans like to call Asian food. Went on the web to find take-
out places in the area, and one reviewer wrote of a particular
restaurant, "This place is why you don't see stray cats or dogs in
Potsdam."
Chris
> On Jul 8, 9:58 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 8, 12:45 pm, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 8, 12:45 pm, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > chris thompson wrote:
> > > > On Jul 8, 8:54 am, Ernest Major <{$t...@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >> In message <jtbtqe$84...@dont-email.me>, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com>
> > > >> writes>Dale wrote:
>
> > > >> >> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from
> > > >> >> rice?
>
> > > >> >How do you "have Chinese"?
>
> > > >> A less colloquial rendition would be "(Dale) has recently consumed a
> > > >> Chinese meal".
> > > >> --
> > > >> alias Ernest Major
>
> > > > But in fact, since I've learned in the last 10 years or so being
> > > > married to a woman from Beijing, what he means is "I just had food
> > > > that has a Chinese name but it's really what Chinese take-outs have
> > > > found sells best."
>
> > > > And no, maggots do not come from rice- not rice grown in China, not
> > > > rice grown in California, and not rice grown in northern Italy.
>
> > > > Dale, quit posting when you're stoned.
>
> > > > Chris
> > > > On Jul 8, 8:54 am, Ernest Major <{$t...@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >> In message <jtbtqe$84...@dont-email.me>, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com>
> > > >> writes>Dale wrote:
>
> > > >> >> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from
> > > >> >> rice?
>
> > > >> >How do you "have Chinese"?
>
> > > >> A less colloquial rendition would be "(Dale) has recently consumed a
> > > >> Chinese meal".
> > > >> --
> > > >> alias Ernest Major
>
> > > > But in fact, since I've learned in the last 10 years or so being
> > > > married to a woman from Beijing, what he means is "I just had food
> > > > that has a Chinese name but it's really what Chinese take-outs have
> > > > found sells best."
>
> > > > And no, maggots do not come from rice- not rice grown in China, not
> > > > rice grown in California, and not rice grown in northern Italy.
>
> > > > Dale, quit posting when you're stoned.
>
>
> > > I second that. Lived in Guangzhou for 2 years: amazing food. I went to
> > > I second that. Lived in Guangzhou for 2 years: amazing food. I went to
> > > Beijing and the food there was equally great but totally different. I had a
> > > dog stew in Changsha. It's a typical winter dish. The term "Chinesse food"
> > > doesn't mean too much. You need to specify the region.
>
> > Yup. It's like saying "Italian food". Meaningless. Much of northern
> > > doesn't mean too much. You need to specify the region.
>
> > Italian food is rice-based, while southern Italian food (where my
> > mother was born, outside Naples) is noodle-based. And that's the most
> > superficial difference.
>
> > superficial difference.
>
> It could be said that Marzu isa no superficial to the subject.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > And China is a heck of a lot bigger than Italy, with consequent
> > regional variations- although, to be honest, dog stew comes a bit of a
> > surprise.
>
> Dog is a delicatissy in many locals. Have you ever noticed any dogs
> around a Taco Bell?
This past Spring, when I drove to upstate NY to pick up my daughter
>
> Dog is a delicatissy in many locals. Have you ever noticed any dogs
> around a Taco Bell?
from college, I had an urge for Asian food (or, as I wrote upthread)
what Americans like to call Asian food. Went on the web to find take-
out places in the area, and one reviewer wrote of a particular
restaurant, "This place is why you don't see stray cats or dogs in
Potsdam."
Chris
chris thompson
Jul 12, 2012, 9:33:47 AM7/12/12
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On Jul 8, 6:34 pm, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 15:51:09 -0400, Richard Norman
> >minerals there.
Chris
> On Sun, 08 Jul 2012 15:51:09 -0400, Richard Norman
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <r_s_nor...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:36:01 -0700 (PDT), wiki trix
> ><wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Jul 8, 12:47 pm, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> wiki trix wrote:
> >>> > On Jul 8, 8:18 am, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <r_s_nor...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:36:01 -0700 (PDT), wiki trix
> ><wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Jul 8, 12:47 pm, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> wiki trix wrote:
> >>> > On Jul 8, 8:18 am, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >> Dale wrote:
> >>> >> > Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from
> >>> >> > rice?
>
> >>> >> How do you "have Chinese"?
>
> >>> >> > Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from
> >>> >> > rice?
>
> >>> >> How do you "have Chinese"?
>
> >>> > You go to China and eat local inhabitants. Duh.
>
> >>> Maybe you do, WT, but I don't. Been there, haven't done that. Duh.
>
> >>Well, that all being a hypothetical, of course. I am vegetarian, so I
> >>would not be interested in actually eating inhabitants (people or
> >>otherwise) anywhere. But I would not be surprised if human is served
> >>in restaurants in China. You may have eaten some there without knowing
> >>it. There seems to be a tendency to treat people as livestock there.
> >>Slave workers, baby-mills for adoption export, trafficking in the
> >>involuntary human organ for transplant trade, etc. Eating humans is
> >>not much of a stretch. I think that doing this to animals is just as
> >>bad, by the way.
>
> >I think doing this to any living thing is just as bad. So there go
> >plants, fungi, various algae and bacteria....
>
> >Wasn't there a recent thread here about eating rocks? Good source of
>
> >>> Maybe you do, WT, but I don't. Been there, haven't done that. Duh.
>
> >>Well, that all being a hypothetical, of course. I am vegetarian, so I
> >>would not be interested in actually eating inhabitants (people or
> >>otherwise) anywhere. But I would not be surprised if human is served
> >>in restaurants in China. You may have eaten some there without knowing
> >>it. There seems to be a tendency to treat people as livestock there.
> >>Slave workers, baby-mills for adoption export, trafficking in the
> >>involuntary human organ for transplant trade, etc. Eating humans is
> >>not much of a stretch. I think that doing this to animals is just as
> >>bad, by the way.
>
> >I think doing this to any living thing is just as bad. So there go
> >plants, fungi, various algae and bacteria....
>
> >minerals there.
>
> You mustn't eat rocks, they have free will!
>
How can you tell if a rock has decided to be eaten?
> You mustn't eat rocks, they have free will!
>
Chris
chris thompson
Jul 12, 2012, 9:37:55 AM7/12/12
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On Jul 8, 8:53 pm, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 8, 7:48 pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> orig...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 8, 2012 11:36:46 PM UTC+1, wiki trix wrote:
> > > On Jul 8, 4:33 pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
> > > orig...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
> > > > be ashamed of having written it.
>
> > > It is shocking. But are you shocked by the possibility that it might
> > > be true? Or that I would insinuate such a thing could happen?
>
> > The insinuation. I believe there's relatively
> > little cannibalism in modern China, or anywhere,
> > although there may be other infelicities such
> > as you proposed.
>
> I also suspect that there is relatively little cannibalism in China.
> And I have no evidence that there actually is much cannibalism in
> China or anywhere else. I did say however, that I would not be
> surprised if human is served in restaurants in China. That could
> happen anywhere. I have not been to China. But I have heard stories
> about China that lead me to think that the individual is not well
> repected, especially when they are poor.
>
> > Are you a vegetarian, in fact - and is that
> > on moral principle?
>
> I am a vegetarian but I do not see myself as moral because of it. The
> idea of it is repulsive to me. That is the main thing that prevents me
> from eating meat. It bothers me a great deal that those animals suffer
> as a result of the meat industry. That is true. And the ecological
> destruction that results from that is worrisome. But I do purchase
> meat for my dog, as I am convinced that he needs it. And If I was very
> hungry, and all I had available to eat was meat, I suspect that I
> would close my eyes and eat it to stay alive.
Out of curiosity, would you eat human meat to stay alive? I am
thinking of that South American soccer team whose plane crashed in the
Andes years ago. The survivors made a pact that while they would eat
meat from people who died in the crash, they vowed not to eat anyone
who survived the crash but died later.
Chris
> On Jul 8, 7:48 pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> orig...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 8, 2012 11:36:46 PM UTC+1, wiki trix wrote:
> > > On Jul 8, 4:33 pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
> > > orig...@moderators.isc.org" <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, July 8, 2012 8:36:01 PM UTC+1, wiki trix wrote:
> > > > > On Jul 8, 12:47 pm, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > wiki trix wrote:
> > > > > > > On Jul 8, 8:18 am, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> Dale wrote:
> > > > > > >> > Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from
> > > > > > >> > rice?
>
> > > > > > >> How do you "have Chinese"?
>
> > > > > > > You go to China and eat local inhabitants. Duh.
>
> > > > > > Maybe you do, WT, but I don't. Been there, haven't done that. Duh.
>
> > > > > Well, that all being a hypothetical, of course. I am vegetarian, so I
> > > > > would not be interested in actually eating inhabitants (people or
> > > > > otherwise) anywhere. But I would not be surprised if human is served
> > > > > in restaurants in China. You may have eaten some there without knowing
> > > > > it. There seems to be a tendency to treat people as livestock there.
> > > > > Slave workers, baby-mills for adoption export, trafficking in the
> > > > > involuntary human organ for transplant trade, etc. Eating humans is
> > > > > not much of a stretch. I think that doing this to animals is just as
> > > > > bad, by the way.
>
> > > > This is a shocking article, and you should
> > > > > On Jul 8, 12:47 pm, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > wiki trix wrote:
> > > > > > > On Jul 8, 8:18 am, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> Dale wrote:
> > > > > > >> > Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from
> > > > > > >> > rice?
>
> > > > > > >> How do you "have Chinese"?
>
> > > > > > > You go to China and eat local inhabitants. Duh.
>
> > > > > > Maybe you do, WT, but I don't. Been there, haven't done that. Duh.
>
> > > > > Well, that all being a hypothetical, of course. I am vegetarian, so I
> > > > > would not be interested in actually eating inhabitants (people or
> > > > > otherwise) anywhere. But I would not be surprised if human is served
> > > > > in restaurants in China. You may have eaten some there without knowing
> > > > > it. There seems to be a tendency to treat people as livestock there.
> > > > > Slave workers, baby-mills for adoption export, trafficking in the
> > > > > involuntary human organ for transplant trade, etc. Eating humans is
> > > > > not much of a stretch. I think that doing this to animals is just as
> > > > > bad, by the way.
>
> > > > be ashamed of having written it.
>
> > > It is shocking. But are you shocked by the possibility that it might
> > > be true? Or that I would insinuate such a thing could happen?
>
> > The insinuation. I believe there's relatively
> > little cannibalism in modern China, or anywhere,
> > although there may be other infelicities such
> > as you proposed.
>
> I also suspect that there is relatively little cannibalism in China.
> And I have no evidence that there actually is much cannibalism in
> China or anywhere else. I did say however, that I would not be
> surprised if human is served in restaurants in China. That could
> happen anywhere. I have not been to China. But I have heard stories
> about China that lead me to think that the individual is not well
> repected, especially when they are poor.
>
> > Are you a vegetarian, in fact - and is that
> > on moral principle?
>
> I am a vegetarian but I do not see myself as moral because of it. The
> idea of it is repulsive to me. That is the main thing that prevents me
> from eating meat. It bothers me a great deal that those animals suffer
> as a result of the meat industry. That is true. And the ecological
> destruction that results from that is worrisome. But I do purchase
> meat for my dog, as I am convinced that he needs it. And If I was very
> hungry, and all I had available to eat was meat, I suspect that I
> would close my eyes and eat it to stay alive.
Out of curiosity, would you eat human meat to stay alive? I am
thinking of that South American soccer team whose plane crashed in the
Andes years ago. The survivors made a pact that while they would eat
meat from people who died in the crash, they vowed not to eat anyone
who survived the crash but died later.
Chris
wiki trix
Jul 12, 2012, 12:25:46 PM7/12/12
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On Jul 12, 9:37 am, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
I know from experience that I am not able to predict my own behavior
in situations that I have not yet experienced. So I cannot say under
what circumstances I would eat human meat. I suspect that there are
many situations where I would. Organ transplant and blood transfusion
and mother's milk are all examples where we incorporate material from
other humans in special circumstances. They are all repulsive to me
from where I am situated today. Who knows what tomorrow may bring.
in situations that I have not yet experienced. So I cannot say under
what circumstances I would eat human meat. I suspect that there are
many situations where I would. Organ transplant and blood transfusion
and mother's milk are all examples where we incorporate material from
other humans in special circumstances. They are all repulsive to me
from where I am situated today. Who knows what tomorrow may bring.
Burkhard
Jul 12, 2012, 12:58:50 PM7/12/12
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On Jul 12, 2:37 pm, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
The question is underdetermined. Is there still garlic and some
rosemary left?
rosemary left?
Glenn
Jul 12, 2012, 2:04:46 PM7/12/12
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Glenn
Jul 12, 2012, 2:03:26 PM7/12/12
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head is showing.
John Stockwell
Jul 12, 2012, 2:35:36 PM7/12/12
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On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:32:52 PM UTC-6, Glenn wrote:
> On Jul 9, 7:48 am, John Stockwell <john.19071...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 7, 2012 11:56:09 PM UTC-6, Dale wrote:
> > > Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
> >
> > No Dale,
> >
> > That would be "spontaneous generation". Maggots are the larvae of flies.
> >
> I've never regarded rice as inanimate matter, but then again I've
matter is either "animate" or "inanimate" refers to the defunct notion that there is an "anima" or "vital force" that exists in living things that gives
them life.
The notion of spontaneous generation and the concept of vitalism was derived from the discussion in Genesis, for example of God "telling the earth to
bring forth life" and God 'breathing life into Adam".
-John
> On Jul 9, 7:48 am, John Stockwell <john.19071...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 7, 2012 11:56:09 PM UTC-6, Dale wrote:
> > > Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
> >
> > No Dale,
> >
> > That would be "spontaneous generation". Maggots are the larvae of flies.
> >
> I've never regarded rice as inanimate matter, but then again I've
> never seen cooked rice in a bowl crawl around either.
The term "animate matter" means nothing in modern science. Such a notion that
matter is either "animate" or "inanimate" refers to the defunct notion that there is an "anima" or "vital force" that exists in living things that gives
them life.
The notion of spontaneous generation and the concept of vitalism was derived from the discussion in Genesis, for example of God "telling the earth to
bring forth life" and God 'breathing life into Adam".
-John
J.J. O'Shea
Jul 12, 2012, 2:38:12 PM7/12/12
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:33:47 -0400, chris thompson wrote
(in article
<103c452c-85aa-496f...@fi17g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>):
Bite it and see if you break your teeth.
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(in article
<103c452c-85aa-496f...@fi17g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>):
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Glenn
Jul 12, 2012, 3:22:45 PM7/12/12
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not for some.
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Jul 12, 2012, 4:00:29 PM7/12/12
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On Thursday, July 12, 2012 7:35:36 PM UTC+1, John Stockwell wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:32:52 PM UTC-6, Glenn wrote:
> > On Jul 9, 7:48 am, John Stockwell &lt;john.19071...@gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 7:32:52 PM UTC-6, Glenn wrote:
> > &gt; On Saturday, July 7, 2012 11:56:09 PM UTC-6, Dale wrote:
> > &gt; &gt; Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved from rice?
> > &gt;
> > &gt; No Dale,
> > &gt;
> > &gt; That would be &quot;spontaneous generation&quot;. Maggots are the larvae of flies.
> > &gt;
> > I&#39;ve never regarded rice as inanimate matter, but then again I&#39;ve
> > never seen cooked rice in a bowl crawl around either.
>
> The term "animate matter" means nothing in modern science. Such a notion that
> matter is either "animate" or "inanimate" refers to the defunct notion that there is an "anima" or "vital force" that exists in living things that gives
> them life.
But if there /was/ animate matter, rice -
cooked - wouldn't be it.
Rice on a living plant moves of its own accord
very, very slowly, and usually is considered to
not count.
A flower such as a daisy opens and closes
itself each day. Some people thought God
made it happen, I've read.
Those grabby carnivorous plants are weird!
Glenn
Jul 12, 2012, 4:32:19 PM7/12/12
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On Jul 12, 1:00 pm, "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-
Have you walked a mile in their shoes?
Walter Bushell
Jul 14, 2012, 6:43:11 AM7/14/12
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In article
<e3adade3-863d-45f8...@nw7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
SkyEyes <skye...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 8, 3:12 pm, jillery <69jpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:44:30 -0700 (PDT), Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> >
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> > >On Jul 8, 1:54 pm, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Yeah, I live in FVG right on the border with Slovenia and not far from
> > >> the
> > >> Austrian border. Risotto is certainly popular up here as are gnocchi
> > >> including strange and wonderful things like gnocchi di prugne (plum
> > >> gnocchi). Polenta is very popular and served with virtually everything
> > >> on
> > >> both sides of the Italian-Slovenian border. But you can also get every
> > >> conceivable type of pasta as well.
> >
> > >> > Chris
> > >> cages outside with animals inside them waiting to be killed and cooked.
> > >> They
> > >> eat virtually any kind of meat and the more exotic the better, or so it
> > >> seemed.
> >
> > >That always reminds me of a scene from the old TV series, "China
> > >Beach"...
> >
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb3p2Ga0xW8
> >
> > A difference between some western and oriental cultures is the
> > importance of freshness. Combine that with until recently a lack of
> > refrigeration, and some of the practices mentioned above are at least
> > understandable. Having the cook do the actual slaughtering and
> > butchering is one way to assure the carcass doesn't spoil.
> Yummers.
>
> Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
> skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
> skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
It's our modern culture that has lost the demand for freshness and has
gone to try to live on "Screaming Yellow Bonkers" and "Chocolate
Covered Sugar Bombs" with pre cooked milk.
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<e3adade3-863d-45f8...@nw7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
SkyEyes <skye...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 8, 3:12 pm, jillery <69jpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 8 Jul 2012 12:44:30 -0700 (PDT), Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> >
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> > >On Jul 8, 1:54 pm, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> chris thompson wrote:
> > >> > On Jul 8, 12:45 pm, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> chris thompson wrote:
> > >> >> > On Jul 8, 8:54 am, Ernest Major <{$t...@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> >> >> In message <jtbtqe$84...@dont-email.me>, Attila
> > >> >> >> <jdkay...@gmail.com>
> > >> >> >> writes>Dale wrote:
> >
> > >> > On Jul 8, 12:45 pm, Attila <jdkay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> chris thompson wrote:
> > >> >> > On Jul 8, 8:54 am, Ernest Major <{$t...@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> >> >> In message <jtbtqe$84...@dont-email.me>, Attila
> > >> >> >> <jdkay...@gmail.com>
> > >> >> >> writes>Dale wrote:
> >
> > >> >> >> >> Just had Chinese today. Ever get the idea that maggots evolved
> > >> >> >> >> from
> > >> >> >> >> rice?
> >
> > >> >> >> >> from
> > >> >> >> >> rice?
> >
> > >> >> >> >How do you "have Chinese"?
> >
> >
> > >> the
> > >> Austrian border. Risotto is certainly popular up here as are gnocchi
> > >> including strange and wonderful things like gnocchi di prugne (plum
> > >> gnocchi). Polenta is very popular and served with virtually everything
> > >> on
> > >> both sides of the Italian-Slovenian border. But you can also get every
> > >> conceivable type of pasta as well.
> >
> > >> > Chris
> >
> > >> > And China is a heck of a lot bigger than Italy, with consequent
> > >> > regional variations- although, to be honest, dog stew comes a bit of a
> > >> > surprise.
> >
> > >> Virtually any animal can be eaten in China. Many restaurant have rows of
> > >> > And China is a heck of a lot bigger than Italy, with consequent
> > >> > regional variations- although, to be honest, dog stew comes a bit of a
> > >> > surprise.
> >
> > >> cages outside with animals inside them waiting to be killed and cooked.
> > >> They
> > >> eat virtually any kind of meat and the more exotic the better, or so it
> > >> seemed.
> >
> > >That always reminds me of a scene from the old TV series, "China
> > >Beach"...
> >
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb3p2Ga0xW8
> >
> > A difference between some western and oriental cultures is the
> > importance of freshness. Combine that with until recently a lack of
> > refrigeration, and some of the practices mentioned above are at least
> > understandable. Having the cook do the actual slaughtering and
> > butchering is one way to assure the carcass doesn't spoil.
>
> Not unique to China. There was a wonderful Gasthaus down the street
> Not unique to China. There was a wonderful Gasthaus down the street
> from my apartment in Langenselbold, FRG. It backed up to a great
> trout stream. Sometimes when you went in, there was a tank full of
> freshly caught trout for you to choose from, but if the tank was
> empty, you could order trout anyway - the cook's helper, or the owner,
> would just saunter out the back door and start casting. Within a half
> hour, you'd have a beautiful ueber-fresh trout on your plate.
> Yummers.
>
> Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
> skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
> skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com
It's our modern culture that has lost the demand for freshness and has
gone to try to live on "Screaming Yellow Bonkers" and "Chocolate
Covered Sugar Bombs" with pre cooked milk.
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jillery
Jul 14, 2012, 8:23:09 AM7/14/12
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 06:43:11 -0400, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com>
wrote:
There was a time when tavern owners and innkeepers would, as a matter
of practice, use the leftovers from the previous day as the
ingredients for the following day's stewpot.
wrote:
of practice, use the leftovers from the previous day as the
ingredients for the following day's stewpot.
chris thompson
Jul 14, 2012, 8:42:46 AM7/14/12
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On Jul 14, 8:23 am, jillery <69jpi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 06:43:11 -0400, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com>
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> On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 06:43:11 -0400, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com>
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the source of delicious things like chicken stock. Freezers have
allowed us to keep it more than a day, though.
Chris
jillery
Jul 14, 2012, 9:14:22 AM7/14/12
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Malygris
Jul 14, 2012, 10:33:06 AM7/14/12
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talked to a former cook of the Arabella Grand Hotel who claimed that todays
meatloaf there usually consisted of yesterday's buffet. Deserts included ;-)
He said it was the best meatloaf he had ever eaten!
--
Malygris
Mike Painter
Jul 14, 2012, 3:19:34 PM7/14/12
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On 7/14/2012 3:43 AM, Walter Bushell wrote:
> It's our modern culture that has lost the demand for freshness and has
> gone to try to live on "Screaming Yellow Bonkers" and "Chocolate
> Covered Sugar Bombs" with pre cooked milk.
There may be a demand for it but few can afford it.
> It's our modern culture that has lost the demand for freshness and has
> gone to try to live on "Screaming Yellow Bonkers" and "Chocolate
> Covered Sugar Bombs" with pre cooked milk.
The local farmers markets have lots of fresh foods but they cost a lot
more than the same thing at the local markets.
PS
It's not just our modern culture, people lost their taste for fresh
olives thousands of years ago...
Even around here where there are a lot of groves it is only the young
who get excited about a fresh picked olive.
Free Lunch
Jul 14, 2012, 4:07:30 PM7/14/12
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 12:19:34 -0700, Mike Painter
<md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in talk.origins:
>On 7/14/2012 3:43 AM, Walter Bushell wrote:
>> It's our modern culture that has lost the demand for freshness and has
>> gone to try to live on "Screaming Yellow Bonkers" and "Chocolate
>> Covered Sugar Bombs" with pre cooked milk.
>
>There may be a demand for it but few can afford it.
>The local farmers markets have lots of fresh foods but they cost a lot
>more than the same thing at the local markets.
Depends on what you are comparing it to. I do realize that farmers'
markets are more expensive relative to the average grocery than they
were three or four decades ago when they started their recovery from the
collapse created by refrigeration, but the food they are selling tends
to be organic or nearly so and is highly labor intensive. Comparing to
the same goods at a Whole Foods or other market with very high quality
produce makes the prices look much better.
>PS
>It's not just our modern culture, people lost their taste for fresh
>olives thousands of years ago...
>
>Even around here where there are a lot of groves it is only the young
>who get excited about a fresh picked olive.
I'm curious, after the oil is pressed does it become pig feed?
<md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in talk.origins:
>On 7/14/2012 3:43 AM, Walter Bushell wrote:
>> It's our modern culture that has lost the demand for freshness and has
>> gone to try to live on "Screaming Yellow Bonkers" and "Chocolate
>> Covered Sugar Bombs" with pre cooked milk.
>
>There may be a demand for it but few can afford it.
>The local farmers markets have lots of fresh foods but they cost a lot
>more than the same thing at the local markets.
markets are more expensive relative to the average grocery than they
were three or four decades ago when they started their recovery from the
collapse created by refrigeration, but the food they are selling tends
to be organic or nearly so and is highly labor intensive. Comparing to
the same goods at a Whole Foods or other market with very high quality
produce makes the prices look much better.
>PS
>It's not just our modern culture, people lost their taste for fresh
>olives thousands of years ago...
>
>Even around here where there are a lot of groves it is only the young
>who get excited about a fresh picked olive.
Mike Painter
Jul 14, 2012, 10:50:19 PM7/14/12
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On 7/14/2012 1:07 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 12:19:34 -0700, Mike Painter
> <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in talk.origins:
>
>> On 7/14/2012 3:43 AM, Walter Bushell wrote:
>>> It's our modern culture that has lost the demand for freshness and has
>>> gone to try to live on "Screaming Yellow Bonkers" and "Chocolate
>>> Covered Sugar Bombs" with pre cooked milk.
>>
>> There may be a demand for it but few can afford it.
>> The local farmers markets have lots of fresh foods but they cost a lot
>> more than the same thing at the local markets.
>
> Depends on what you are comparing it to. I do realize that farmers'
> markets are more expensive relative to the average grocery than they
> were three or four decades ago when they started their recovery from the
> collapse created by refrigeration, but the food they are selling tends
> to be organic or nearly so and is highly labor intensive. Comparing to
> the same goods at a Whole Foods or other market with very high quality
> produce makes the prices look much better.
I'm in California so the quality of produce around here is more
> On Sat, 14 Jul 2012 12:19:34 -0700, Mike Painter
> <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in talk.origins:
>
>> On 7/14/2012 3:43 AM, Walter Bushell wrote:
>>> It's our modern culture that has lost the demand for freshness and has
>>> gone to try to live on "Screaming Yellow Bonkers" and "Chocolate
>>> Covered Sugar Bombs" with pre cooked milk.
>>
>> There may be a demand for it but few can afford it.
>> The local farmers markets have lots of fresh foods but they cost a lot
>> more than the same thing at the local markets.
>
> Depends on what you are comparing it to. I do realize that farmers'
> markets are more expensive relative to the average grocery than they
> were three or four decades ago when they started their recovery from the
> collapse created by refrigeration, but the food they are selling tends
> to be organic or nearly so and is highly labor intensive. Comparing to
> the same goods at a Whole Foods or other market with very high quality
> produce makes the prices look much better.
dependent on the season.
I'm not familiar with Whole Foods but I bet the produce they put out is
pretty and flawless in presentation. They toss tons of it because it is
not pretty and it is still cheap.
>
>> PS
>> It's not just our modern culture, people lost their taste for fresh
>> olives thousands of years ago...
>>
>> Even around here where there are a lot of groves it is only the young
>> who get excited about a fresh picked olive.
>
> I'm curious, after the oil is pressed does it become pig feed?
>
I don't know.
>> PS
>> It's not just our modern culture, people lost their taste for fresh
>> olives thousands of years ago...
>>
>> Even around here where there are a lot of groves it is only the young
>> who get excited about a fresh picked olive.
>
> I'm curious, after the oil is pressed does it become pig feed?
>
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