Polar Diameter of Earth & the Great Pyramid
Ray Martinez
poles through an imaginary axis running between each point.
POLAR RADIUS
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/earthfact.html
According to NASA the polar radius of the Earth is:
"Polar radius [kilometers] 6356.8"
Converted to miles = 3949.9
The two links below also say the polar radius is 3949.9 miles:
http://www.caroun.com/Geography/General/Earth.html
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_7cos.htm
According to Dr. Adam Rutherford F.R.A.S., F.R.G.S., in Egypt 1925,
1950, 1963-5
Pyramidology Book 1 (London, 1957)
"The results of the latest geodetic research since the International
Geophysical Year 1957-8 reveal that the mean polar radius of the
Earth, as deduced from observation of the orbits of artificial Earth
satellites is 3949.9 miles.
Dividing this figure by 10,000,000, the result is 25.0266 British
inches (corrected to four places of decimals)...."
A Great Pyramid cubit is divided into 25 equal parts or increments.
Each part is called an inch. One pyramid inch = 1.001064 British
inches, or as Dr. Gene Scott says: "one 1,000th of an inch longer than
the British inch. Remove a hair from your head and divide it in two -
that's the difference in length between the British inch and the
pyramid inch." Therefore the pyramid inch is one 1,000th of an inch
longer than the British inch.
Continuing with the Rutherford quote:
"Dividing this figure by 10,000,000, the result is 25.0266 British
inches (corrected to four places of decimals), the precise length of
the....Cubit of the Great Pyramid. Thus the Earth's mean polar radius
measures 10,000,000....Cubits or 250,000,000 Pyramid inches; hence the
Pyramid inch is the 500,000,000th of the Earth's polar
diameter" (pages 75,76).
POLAR DIAMETER INCH
The data says that if the polar diameter of the Earth (3949.9 x 2) is
divided into 500 million equal parts, each part or increment =
1.001064 British inches.
Logically, this means the British inch has only lost one 1,000th of an
inch over multiplied thousands of years since the building of the
Great Pyramid.
"Decoding the Great Pyramid" (1977) pages 235-243, by Peter
Lemesurier:
"During the last century or so the GP has been measured ad nauseam,
both inside and out, not merely by amateur archaeologists, but by
numerous professional surveyors, some of whom have spent literally
months on the site using the most up-to-date equipment available -
parts of it specifically designed with the GP in mind. Due and precise
allowance having been made for the effects of observed temperature-
variation on the instruments themselves, for subsidence-distortion,
and for wear and exfoliation of the ancient stone, the result has been
a series of figures already of outstanding accuracy, and expressed in
each case to clearly defined tolerances.
Rutherford's own figures for the GP, almost without exception, well
within the stated tolerances of the most authoritative surveys.
Some of the measurements involved turn out to be clear and direct
functions of the distance 365.242 PI" and the quantity pi. The fact
that pi can theoretically be calculated to an infinite number of
decimal places once again produces figures in which fractions figure
prominently.
In side elevation, the GP and its passageways present a clear
geometric figure composed largely of straight lines and based on known
angles and levels, these too have been meticulously surveyed on many
occasions.
Trigonometrical calculation therefore makes it possible finally to
check many of the "raw" measurements against each other, thus exposing
even the slightest inaccuracy. For this, absolutely precise data are
essential, and any prior rounding up or down would invalidate the
results.
Rutherford's final figures, as listed below, are almost alone in
passing this crucial test in flying colors, in that they "fit" each
other trigonometrically to make a perfect and self-consistent system -
as any correct assessment of the GP's measurements ultimately must do.
There seems to be no alternative, therefore, but to accept
Rutherford's figures as they stand, as representing the best available
assessment of the GP's intended dimensions.
[Base perimeter measurements of the Great Pyramid]
Rutherford: Base square of side: 9131.05 [polar diameter inches]
(365.242 Cubits)
Square base perimeter: 36524.2 [polar diameter inches]
In 1925, professional surveyor J.H. Cole produced "Determination of
the Exact Size and Orientation of the Great Pyramid" [Cairo,
Government Press, 1925]:
West Side: 9059.5766 [polar diameter inches]
North Side: 9055.4078
East Side: 9060.9137
South Side: 9063.3914
Total Perimeter of Base: 36239.2895 [polar diameter inches]
Cole himself suggests an average tolerance of some 1 1/4 inches per
side.
Extrapolating from Cole's figures, which are based on a concavity of
35.762 [polar diameter inches] the base square would thus be:
West Side: 9131.1021 [polar diameter inches]
North Side: 9126.9333
East Side: 9132.4392
South Side: 9134.9169
Total Perimeter of Base: 36525.3915 [polar diameter inches]
Cole and Rutherford therefore are 1 1/4 inches apart, with the total
distance involved to be well over a half of mile. For all practical
purposes these two figures can be regarded as identical" END
LEMESURIER QUOTE.
We know Cole was secular and Rutherford an evangelical. The
measurements are identical. Lemesurier has shown the congruity. Cole
measured in 1925 and Rutherford in the 1950s.
http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=15&t=242&m=604#604
Refer to lower diagram:
Square base perimeter: 36524.2 (polar diameter inches; Cole and
Rutherford)
AB = 365.242 Cubits = number of days in Solar Tropical Year.
(Notice the exact match of both figures above)
AEFB = 365.256 Cubits = number of days in Sidereal Year
AbB = 365.259 Cubits = number of days in Anomalistic Year ("b"
obscured between "w" and "x").
CONCLUSIONS
The book of Joshua records his cry to God for the sun to stand still
so that he could continue to kill the LORD's enemies. This means that
Joshua thought that the sun was in orbit. Since he grew up in Egypt,
this makes sense. Ancient Egypt worshipped Ra (sun god) and thought
the Earth was fixed and flat. Ancient Egypt did not know the Earth was
round much less its EXACT polar dimensions, nor did this ancient
culture, fresh out of the alleged Stone Age, know the length of the
Solar, Sidereal and Anomalistic years, as these lengths were built
into the lengths of the Great Pyramid base.
Whoever built the GP knew that the Earth was round and they knew its
EXACT polar dimensions - utterly impossible knowledge for any human
being in a post-Stone Age world. We, that is, modern mankind did not
know the EXACT polar dimension of the Earth until 1957 Sputnik launch
(as referred to by Rutherford). How did ancient men know the polar
diameter of the Earth in 3000 BC (or before); information that we did
not know until 1957?
Dr. Scott says the GP was already built before Egyptian civilization
came into existence (c.3000 BC). The name "Khufu," the Pharoah
credited by Atheist Egyptology with building the GP, means "light."
Before the casing stones were stripped off of the GP by Muslims (to
build their Mosques in the region), the GP was a brilliant polished
great light. Khufu simply named himself after the Great Pyramid. In
Genesis chapter one "light" has great prominence. Jesus said He was
the Light of the world. Dr. Scott says that God's name YHWH traced to
its earliest origin, in the Sanskrit, means "light." In Einstein's GTR
"light" has a central place. Lemesurier says YHWH and KHUFU are
linguistically related. The point is that God (Light) oversaw the
building of the Great Pyramid and He is central to everything that
matters. There is no other answer as to how anyone knew the EXACT
polar dimensions of the Earth in 3000 BC (or before) unless the
information came from Divine origin.
God has no place in the Theory of Evolution; design does not indicate
invisible Designer, and mankind arose from apes via a Stone Age. ToE
is darkness: the Atheist "explanation" of life.
The Great Pyramid and the facts presented above falsify the existence
of a Stone Age and human evolution and confirm Genesis: Man was a
special creation, created ultra-intelligent, confirmed by the Great
Pyramid.
Ray
Ye Old One
<pyram...@yahoo.com> enriched this group when s/he wrote:
>The polar diameter of the Earth is the measured distance between the
>poles through an imaginary axis running between each point.
[snip the crap]
Why repost all this rubbish again Dishonest Ray? You were totally
debunked when you posted it less than a month ago and none of your
basic facts (or rather the lack of them) have changed.
--
Bob.
Perplexed in Peoria
"Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1184363332.0...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
> ... Ancient Egypt did not know the Earth was
> round much less its EXACT polar dimensions, nor did this ancient
> culture, fresh out of the alleged Stone Age, know the length of the
> Solar, Sidereal and Anomalistic years, as these lengths were built
> into the lengths of the Great Pyramid base.
>
> Whoever built the GP knew that the Earth was round and they knew its
> EXACT polar dimensions - utterly impossible knowledge for any human
My guess would be that they were trying to match the equatorial
dimensions ... and got it slightly wrong. It was a nice try though!
Pata...@gmail.com
It's either coincidence or excessive numerology.
Steve Marshall
"Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote
> Dividing this figure by 10,000,000, the result is 25.0266 British
> inches (corrected to four places of decimals)...."
What ? This is rubbish. Why divide by 10000000 ????
There's 63360 inches in a mile so you are way out !
> The data says that if the polar diameter of the Earth (3949.9 x 2) is
> divided into 500 million equal parts, each part or increment =
> 1.001064 British inches.
But why would you divide by that in the first place. This makes no sense.
> Whoever built the GP knew that the Earth was round and they knew its
> EXACT polar dimensions - utterly impossible knowledge for any human
> being in a post-Stone Age world.
It's utterly unproven to be the case bny what you've said here !
> The Great Pyramid and the facts presented above falsify the existence
> of a Stone Age and human evolution and confirm Genesis
Of course they don't. What utter gibberish.
>: Man was a
> special creation, created ultra-intelligent, confirmed by the Great
> Pyramid.
You're special but you aren't showing much signs of intelligence - and no
pyramid is going to boost your mental ability .
Steve M
_Arthur
> According to Dr. Adam Rutherford F.R.A.S., F.R.G.S., in Egypt 1925,
> 1950, 1963-5
> Pyramidology Book 1 (London, 1957)
>
> "The results of the latest geodetic research since the International
> Geophysical Year 1957-8 reveal that the mean polar radius of the
> Earth, as deduced from observation of the orbits of artificial Earth
> satellites is 3949.9 miles.
>
> Dividing this figure by 10,000,000, the result is 25.0266 British
> inches (corrected to four places of decimals)...."
>
> A Great Pyramid cubit is divided into 25 equal parts or increments.
> Each part is called an inch. One pyramid inch = 1.001064 British
> inches, or as Dr. Gene Scott says: "one 1,000th of an inch longer than
> the British inch. Remove a hair from your head and divide it in two -
> that's the difference in length between the British inch and the
> pyramid inch." Therefore the pyramid inch is one 1,000th of an inch
> longer than the British inch.
Why 10,000,000 ? Why 25 ?
What papyrus mentions that Aegyptians cubits divide in 25 ?
If the British inch is defined by the width of the King's thumb, does
it affects the diameter of the Earth ?
The Earth circumference is almost exactly 40,000 Kilometers ! Is this
a coincidence ?
spintronic
They must have made a mistake! A better base would be 36524.25 / 4 =
9131.0625 per side.
They were only human I guess!
What is interesting is that
25 * 365.2425 = 9 131.0625
And
4 * 9131.0625 = 36524.25
Bet your professor missed that little gem!
> Cole himself suggests an average tolerance of some 1 1/4 inches per
> side.
> Extrapolating from Cole's figures, which are based on a concavity of
> 35.762 [polar diameter inches] the base square would thus be:
>
> West Side: 9131.1021 [polar diameter inches]
> North Side: 9126.9333
> East Side: 9132.4392
> South Side: 9134.9169
> Total Perimeter of Base: 36525.3915 [polar diameter inches]
Ah, well never mind.
The egyptians knew the earth was round, or at least one of them did,
moses describes "the one seated above the circle of the earth" and the
one "hanging the earth on nothing".
The fact that joshua asked for the sun to "stand still", does not
imply that he thought the sun revolved around the earth. He was mearly
expressing his perception of reality, much the way that someone with a
headache may say "my heads spinning" or if someone feels faint they
say "the rooms spinning", doesnt mean they literally thing their neck
can revolve 360degrees, or that they beleive the room is actually
rotating.
But anyhows.
People did know the dimentions of the earth before spucknil in 1957.
Eratรณstenes measured the earh in 300 b.c using simple geometry and a
few sticks.
The egyptions were fantastic mathematicians, and just because that
particular feat (measuring the earth) has not been historically
recorded, does not mean that it did not happen. The egyptians famously
"blotted out" of history previous rulers, and any of their
achievements with them.
Anyhows again, heres where his theory fails.
> ... the mean polar radius of the
> Earth, as deduced from observation of the orbits of artificial Earth
> satellites is 3949.9 miles.
The Romans invented the unit of the mile, over 2 to 3+ thousand years
after your pyramids were build. So They wouldnt have worked in the
units of miles anyways.
No miles, no 3949.9miles to convert to inches! Sorry.
Unless; the Romans stole the egyptian measurement. After all, we stole
a lot of greek ideas,"democracy, electricity, atoms.....etc etc".
But then you have another problem, the English updated the mile in the
13th century, from 5000 Roman feet to 5280 feet.
I dont think the egyptians could have foretold that little gem. :
Sorry!
Oh, and two last point's, YHWH means "I am that I am". Not "Light".
And GR deals with "space-time" more specifically, accellerations, not
"Light". Einstein did explain the photoelectric effect, and invent the
laser. If thats what you mean.
Steve Marshall
"Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote
> "Dividing this figure by 10,000,000, the result is 25.0266 British
> inches (corrected to four places of decimals), the precise length of
> the....Cubit of the Great Pyramid.
But it isn't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubit#The_Egyptian_Royal_Cubit_and_Sumerian_Nippur_cubit
Steve M
Jim Willemin
> The polar diameter of the Earth is the measured distance between the
> poles through an imaginary axis running between each point.
>
> POLAR RADIUS
>
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/earthfact.html
>
> According to NASA the polar radius of the Earth is:
>
> "Polar radius [kilometers] 6356.8"
>
> Converted to miles = 3949.9
>
> The two links below also say the polar radius is 3949.9 miles:
>
> http://www.caroun.com/Geography/General/Earth.html
>
> http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_7cos.htm
>
> According to Dr. Adam Rutherford F.R.A.S., F.R.G.S., in Egypt 1925,
> 1950, 1963-5
> Pyramidology Book 1 (London, 1957)
>
> "The results of the latest geodetic research since the International
> Geophysical Year 1957-8 reveal that the mean polar radius of the
> Earth, as deduced from observation of the orbits of artificial Earth
> satellites is 3949.9 miles.
>
> Dividing this figure by 10,000,000, the result is 25.0266 British
> inches (corrected to four places of decimals)...."
Let's stop here for a second. The measurement is accurate to one
decimal place (3949.9). That means that the actual diameter is
somewhere between 3949.85 and 3949.95 miles, or somewhere between
250,262,000 inches and 250,268,000 inches
>
> A Great Pyramid cubit is divided into 25 equal parts or increments.
Where does this come from? Unless there is some primary source (i.e.
papyrus or inscription from the 4th Dynasty) that says a cubit is
divided into 25 parts, I can only surmise that this is made up. Making
a ruler with 25 divisions is much more difficult than making one with 32
or 16. In the absence of corroborating evidence, this statement is very
suspect, since it seems designed to produce the desired result.
> Each part is called an inch. One pyramid inch = 1.001064 British
> inches, or as Dr. Gene Scott says: "one 1,000th of an inch longer than
> the British inch. Remove a hair from your head and divide it in two -
> that's the difference in length between the British inch and the
> pyramid inch." Therefore the pyramid inch is one 1,000th of an inch
> longer than the British inch.
>
> Continuing with the Rutherford quote:
>
> "Dividing this figure by 10,000,000, the result is 25.0266 British
> inches (corrected to four places of decimals), the precise length of
> the....Cubit of the Great Pyramid. Thus the Earth's mean polar radius
> measures 10,000,000....Cubits or 250,000,000 Pyramid inches; hence the
> Pyramid inch is the 500,000,000th of the Earth's polar
> diameter" (pages 75,76).
>
> POLAR DIAMETER INCH
>
> The data says that if the polar diameter of the Earth (3949.9 x 2) is
> divided into 500 million equal parts, each part or increment =
> 1.001064 British inches.
>
Since the British inch was originally defined (under Edward I) as the
length of three full-grown barleycorns placed end to end, doesn't this
mean that the barleycorn is the truly miraculous measurement? Just
consider: one barleycorn is within 0.1% of being one and a half
billionth of the polar diameter of the earth!
> Logically, this means the British inch has only lost one 1,000th of an
> inch over multiplied thousands of years since the building of the
> Great Pyramid.
Logically, this means that the British inch has nothing to do with the
Great Pyramid, unless the barley grown in the Nile Valley is just a
smidgen bigger than the barley grown in England. Cripes, before Edward
made his definition, an inch was a thumb's width - a handy unit of
measure for smallish distances, easy to subdivide by eye, and having the
happy property that most everyone has a thumb to use as a 'rule of
thumb' ruler. Oh wait - that means that the width of a human thumb is
one five hundred millionth of the earth's polar diameter! Or rather,
early Egyptian thumbs, which were slightly wider than modern British
thumbs...
>
> "Decoding the Great Pyramid" (1977) pages 235-243, by Peter
> Lemesurier:
>
> "During the last century or so the GP has been measured ad nauseam,
> both inside and out, not merely by amateur archaeologists, but by
> numerous professional surveyors, some of whom have spent literally
> months on the site using the most up-to-date equipment available -
> parts of it specifically designed with the GP in mind. Due and precise
> allowance having been made for the effects of observed temperature-
> variation on the instruments themselves, for subsidence-distortion,
> and for wear and exfoliation of the ancient stone, the result has been
> a series of figures already of outstanding accuracy, and expressed in
> each case to clearly defined tolerances.
>
> Rutherford's own figures for the GP, almost without exception, well
> within the stated tolerances of the most authoritative surveys.
>
> Some of the measurements involved turn out to be clear and direct
> functions of the distance 365.242 PI" and the quantity pi. The fact
> that pi can theoretically be calculated to an infinite number of
> decimal places once again produces figures in which fractions figure
> prominently.
Now, if you take a wheel one cubit in diameter and use it to measure
distances, how many cubits will you get after a hundred revolutions?
Answer: 100 pi cubits. Now, let's see what happens if, instead of
defining the Great Pyramid cubit from the polar diameter of the earth,
we instead say that the measurements were instead integer multiples of
pi cubits. After all, Rutherford's definition of the Great Pyramid
Cubit is purely ad hoc, so we are equally justified in looking at other
possibilities. (more below)
>
> In side elevation, the GP and its passageways present a clear
> geometric figure composed largely of straight lines and based on known
> angles and levels, these too have been meticulously surveyed on many
> occasions.
>
> Trigonometrical calculation therefore makes it possible finally to
> check many of the "raw" measurements against each other, thus exposing
> even the slightest inaccuracy. For this, absolutely precise data are
> essential, and any prior rounding up or down would invalidate the
> results.
>
What trigonometric calculations? Specifics, please. Remember, angles
and I are friends from away back, and I have an earned Ph.D.
> Rutherford's final figures, as listed below, are almost alone in
> passing this crucial test in flying colors, in that they "fit" each
> other trigonometrically to make a perfect and self-consistent system -
> as any correct assessment of the GP's measurements ultimately must do.
> There seems to be no alternative, therefore, but to accept
> Rutherford's figures as they stand, as representing the best available
> assessment of the GP's intended dimensions.
>
> [Base perimeter measurements of the Great Pyramid]
>
> Rutherford: Base square of side: 9131.05 [polar diameter inches]
> (365.242 Cubits)
>
FIVE HUNDREDTHS OF AN INCH!?!? Give me a break. This is clearly made
up to provide the answer desired. How about 100 pi cubits, making the
cubit just a bit bigger? But, alas, that would remove the magic number
365.242, wouldn't it? We absolutely must insist the pyramid builders
coded the length of the year into the building...
Note that these are based on a made-up measurement (the Great Pyramid
Cubit). I'd also like to know how the modern surveyors account for the
missing facing stones. All of these very precise measurements are
vacuous, measuring things that are no longer there. Now, it is
*possible*, I suppose, for the acutal masonry to have had these
dimensions, but it is by no means valid to claim that, because the
measurements give you answers you decided beforehand must be there, the
measurements of imaginary distances bear any factual significance.
> CONCLUSIONS
>
> The book of Joshua records his cry to God for the sun to stand still
> so that he could continue to kill the LORD's enemies. This means that
> Joshua thought that the sun was in orbit. Since he grew up in Egypt,
> this makes sense. Ancient Egypt worshipped Ra (sun god) and thought
> the Earth was fixed and flat. Ancient Egypt did not know the Earth was
> round much less its EXACT polar dimensions, nor did this ancient
> culture, fresh out of the alleged Stone Age, know the length of the
> Solar, Sidereal and Anomalistic years, as these lengths were built
> into the lengths of the Great Pyramid base.
well, no, we don't know this. We know modern mystics thought they were,
and made up units and measurements to show that, but we do not, in fact,
know the precise dimensions of the great pyramid, either as designed or
as built. It is a good bet that the length of the year was known to
within a day - after all, people had been farming the Nile Valley for a
thousand years at that point, and knowing when the annual flood was
coming was an important - nay, critical - bit of information. This
arrogance with respect to the intellect and observational capacity of
our ancestors is really disgusting.
>
> Whoever built the GP knew that the Earth was round and they knew its
> EXACT polar dimensions - utterly impossible knowledge for any human
> being in a post-Stone Age world. We, that is, modern mankind did not
> know the EXACT polar dimension of the Earth until 1957 Sputnik launch
> (as referred to by Rutherford). How did ancient men know the polar
> diameter of the Earth in 3000 BC (or before); information that we did
> not know until 1957?
>
> Dr. Scott says the GP was already built before Egyptian civilization
> came into existence (c.3000 BC). The name "Khufu," the Pharoah
> credited by Atheist Egyptology with building the GP, means "light."
Um, no, it doesn't. If you bother to look at a heiroglyph dictionary,
you discover that there are a lot of words for 'light', and none of
those words are 'Khufu'. I suspect this is another of Scott's fanciful
etymologies. The full name of the pharoah was Khnum-khufu, meaning
'Protected by Khnum' (Khnum being the ram-headed Creator God, and
responsible for the Nile floods). I mean, really, Ray, you should know
this, if you actually studied the pyramid and not studied what silly
romantics said about it.
> Before the casing stones were stripped off of the GP by Muslims (to
> build their Mosques in the region), the GP was a brilliant polished
> great light. Khufu simply named himself after the Great Pyramid. In
> Genesis chapter one "light" has great prominence. Jesus said He was
> the Light of the world. Dr. Scott says that God's name YHWH traced to
> its earliest origin, in the Sanskrit, means "light." In Einstein's GTR
> "light" has a central place. Lemesurier says YHWH and KHUFU are
> linguistically related. The point is that God (Light) oversaw the
> building of the Great Pyramid and He is central to everything that
> matters. There is no other answer as to how anyone knew the EXACT
> polar dimensions of the Earth in 3000 BC (or before) unless the
> information came from Divine origin.
>
As I see it, it is a good bet that no one in 4th Dynasty Egypt DID know
the exact radius of the Earth, and it is also a good bet that this
information was not built into the pyramid, but rather 'discovered'
there after the fact by men who desperately needed to discover it to
support their world view.
> God has no place in the Theory of Evolution; design does not indicate
> invisible Designer, and mankind arose from apes via a Stone Age. ToE
> is darkness: the Atheist "explanation" of life.
>
> The Great Pyramid and the facts presented above falsify the existence
> of a Stone Age and human evolution and confirm Genesis: Man was a
> special creation, created ultra-intelligent, confirmed by the Great
> Pyramid.
>
> Ray
>
>
Ray, why invoke magic when simple explanations suffice? In order to
make your numbers appear, you are forced to assume tolerances that are
flat-out unreasonable, and certainly cannot be supported by actual
measurements. Yes, your numbers are allowed by the measurements, but to
claim that one specific dimension was *exactly* this length because it
shows some numerological significance, and then claiming the exact
dimension proves the numerology is assuming your conclusions and making
the data fit your preconceived notions.
Now, if I recall correctly, you claim that the Great Pyramid was built
before the Flood of Noah, yet the pyramid rests on a plateau that
consists of nothing but fossils. Did fossils form before the Flood? If
so, how? And how did those fossils (of marine animals, by the way) get
to where they are now?
Desertphile
This crock of shit was debunked hen I was still pooping diapers,
45 years ago. As long as a person redefines what an "inch" is, one
can create all kinds of mathematical coincidences.
By the way, one can use a Schwin 10-speed bicycle instead of the
Great Pyramid and get similar results.
--
http://desertphile.org
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"Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
Desertphile
<jimme...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1184363332.0...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> [snip]
> > Whoever built the GP knew that the Earth was round and they knew its
> > EXACT polar dimensions - utterly impossible knowledge for any human
> > being in a post-Stone Age world. ...
That just cracks me up! Redefine an entire measuring system to
match the aproximate size of Earth, then redefine what an "inch"
is based upon a few measurements of a pyramid, and then claim to
be astonished at the results. FUNNY!
> My guess would be that they were trying to match the equatorial
> dimensions ... and got it slightly wrong. It was a nice try though!
geo...@hotmail.com
I read the book Who Built the Moon? a while ago, which makes pretty
much these same calculations, but for Stonehenge (iirc) and the moon.
Who should I listen to, Ray? Pagans or Christians?
By the way, I was born on the exact middle day of the year. Am I an
angel? :)
Tiktaalik
They do in your bollocks you lying prickwit. Up yours.
"I am in favour of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the
way of a whole human being". (Abraham Lincoln).
Jim Willemin
<snip wide-eyed numerology credulosity>
> The Great Pyramid and the facts presented above falsify the existence
> of a Stone Age and human evolution and confirm Genesis: Man was a
> special creation, created ultra-intelligent, confirmed by the Great
> Pyramid.
>
> Ray
Ray, in your studies of the great pyramid I'm sure you have come across
this site: http://www.pyramidofman.com/introduction.htm. The author
makes a most interesting case that the interior structures of the
pyramid, when viewed from the north or south actually form a vast
negative-space statue of Osiris, in which the sarcophagus in the King's
Chamber, and the statue niche in the Queen's Chamber are exactly
situated so as to provide teh soul of the king the needed sustenance and
magical assistance for a pleasnt afterlife. These arguments are also
based on measurements,as well as documented rituals. Perhaps you could
explain why your interpretation, with its many ad hoc arguments and
predetermined "measurements" is a more reasonable interpretation,
especially considering that Osiris was a member of the early Egyptian
pantheon. That is, why are your numbers any more valid than these,
particularly since the Osiris interpretation is based on ratios rather
than absolute numbers and that no divine intervention is required to
explain them?
Inez
> The polar diameter of the Earth is the measured distance between the
> poles through an imaginary axis running between each point.
>
> POLAR RADIUS
>
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/earthfact.html
>
> According to NASA the polar radius of the Earth is:
>
> "Polar radius [kilometers] 6356.8"
>
> Converted to miles = 3949.9
>
> The two links below also say the polar radius is 3949.9 miles:
>
> http://www.caroun.com/Geography/General/Earth.html
>
> http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_7cos.htm
>
> According to Dr. Adam Rutherford F.R.A.S., F.R.G.S., in Egypt 1925,
> 1950, 1963-5
> Pyramidology Book 1 (London, 1957)
>
> "The results of the latest geodetic research since the International
> Geophysical Year 1957-8 reveal that the mean polar radius of the
> Earth, as deduced from observation of the orbits of artificial Earth
> satellites is 3949.9 miles.
Really? A book published in 1957 has data derived from satellietes?
> Dividing this figure by 10,000,000, the result is 25.0266 British
> inches (corrected to four places of decimals)...."
Are you claiming that 3949.9 miles is accurate to a ten thousandth of
an inch?! Because if it isn't I don't believe you get anything like 4
decimal places of accuracy.
> A Great Pyramid cubit is divided into 25 equal parts or increments.
I did a google search for "great pyramid cubit" and got zero hits.
Wikipedia informs me that the Egyptian cubit was called a "royal
cubit" and was 523.5mm in length, which is 20.something inches.
> Each part is called an inch. One pyramid inch = 1.001064 British
> inches, or as Dr. Gene Scott says: "one 1,000th of an inch longer than
> the British inch.
I did a google search for "pyramid inch" and found this interesting
hit:
http://www.randi.org/encyclopedia/pyramid%20inch.html
There doesn't seem to be anyone who isn't a pyramid nut who ever uses
the term "pyramid inch" except the people who like to make fun of
pyramid nuts.
> Remove a hair from your head and divide it in two -
> that's the difference in length between the British inch and the
> pyramid inch." Therefore the pyramid inch is one 1,000th of an inch
> longer than the British inch.
Apparently it is based on measuring the first"casing stone" (whatever
that is) which was uncovered and arbitrarily dividing by 25. Other
casing stones turned out to be of different sizes.
> Continuing with the Rutherford quote:
>
> "Dividing this figure by 10,000,000, the result is 25.0266 British
> inches (corrected to four places of decimals), the precise length of
> the....Cubit of the Great Pyramid.
>From what I can find, no one knows the precise measurements of the
great pyramid because it's worn away, and the "pyramid cubit" is just
something loonies made up.
hhya...@gmail.com
You are so excited with the GP now although all of us do not know who
built them and why.
If, by your contention, your god did it, what was the purpose?
Also, by your contention, your god had the ability to reveal himself
with leaving behind physical entity struture-GP.
However, what else did he showed when he was or is needed?
The GP is a dead and useless thing, whereas the human hunger,
diseases, war are human suffering (that your god could not do
something) are real.
Why so? My answer is that your god never existed or he could not
careless....!
Either way, he is no use to human, PERIOD!
And if he could not careless, he will care for you or other
individual? My foot.....
Kent Paul Dolan
[hog bathing material component]
Thank you Ray for that stunning, indeed overkill,
numerological idiocy demonstration that theism, and
creationist theism in particular, is nothing but a
massive pyramid of hard gathered lovingly compacted
moron turds.
Quantum valeat.
xanthian.
The British inch, at its inception, had nothing to
say about the size of the earth.
It was instead the 1/36th part of the nose to thumb
distance of some British king or other.
So what Ray has _really_ claimed is that the ancient
Egyptians built their pyramids as eerie computing
devices intended accurately to predict a complex
function of the upper arm, lower arm, thumb, and
nose lengths of British kings as yet unborn.
Probably the tiny error Ray mentioned in that
prediction is merely that the effect of the Hapsburg
lip in pushing the nose up and forward was not taken
accurately into account by those ancient Egyptian
pyramid-as-computer builders.
Chaos help us on a rapidly shrinking planet if by
chance when it had come time for the British to
invent inchwise mensuration, a _queen_ had been on
the throne. Sexual dimorphism would have made that
inch shorter, which would in turn by the magic of
Ray's logic shrunk the planet by about a tenth part,
posthaste, and the resulting earthquakes would have
depopulated the earth and toppled the pyramids.
Of logic like Ray's "logic" can most fabulous
pyramids of speculation be built, indeed.
Wombat
> The polar diameter of the Earth is the measured distance between the
> poles through an imaginary axis running between each point.
>
> POLAR RADIUS
>
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/earthfact.html
>
> According to NASA the polar radius of the Earth is:
>
> "Polar radius [kilometers] 6356.8"
>
> Converted to miles = 3949.9
Wrong. 3950.1 miles. If you are going to work to 4 places of
decimals you need to be very accurate from the start.
>
> The two links below also say the polar radius is 3949.9 miles:
>
> http://www.caroun.com/Geography/General/Earth.html
This one says the polar radius is 3949.99. This is not what you said.
>
> http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_7cos.htm
>
This one gives the polar radius to 8(!) decimal places
> According to Dr. Adam Rutherford F.R.A.S., F.R.G.S., in Egypt 1925,
> 1950, 1963-5
> Pyramidology Book 1 (London, 1957)
>
> "The results of the latest geodetic research since the International
> Geophysical Year 1957-8 reveal that the mean polar radius of the
> Earth, as deduced from observation of the orbits of artificial Earth
> satellites is 3949.9 miles.
>
> Dividing this figure by 10,000,000, the result is 25.0266 British
> inches (corrected to four places of decimals)...."
Ray, try that calcualation again with the correct radius. The result
is 25.0278 (to 4 places of decimals).
Wombat
<snip> the rest of the tosh as it is based on TWO mathematical errors
from the start>
Peter Barber
Ray Martinez wrote:
> <snip>
Is this *the* essay?
"The people which sat in darkness saw great light." (Matthew 4:16)
Oh sorry, false alarm, says Matt, it's that Ray Martinez again. -
Actually, it's not that dark around here anyway. Quite well
illuminated, in fact. Have you been working things out for yourselves
*again*? It's all that Charles Darwin's fault - and now he's advising
God on the draft spec for Life 2.0, if you please.
So much for prayer and discipleship: think I'll head over to Satan's
for a few beers.
richardal...@googlemail.com
[snipped]
> Whoever built the GP knew that the Earth was round and they knew its
> EXACT polar dimensions - utterly impossible knowledge for any human
> being in a post-Stone Age world.
[snipped]
I feel slightly embarrassed to be ridiculing Ray, but this simply
can't go without marking.
"post-Stone Age world"?????
We are *living* in a "post-Stone Age" world!
RF
Rolf
Any sane, balanced person view such exercises for what they are: Wishful
thinking applied with little regard for facts but heavy on references to
dubious calculations based on fanciful 'interpretations of carefully
selected parameters.
Unbalanced, monomaniac people latch on to the same phenomenon and keep
zooming around it like flies round a sugar bowl.
They are indulging in some kind of self-hypnosis, unable to disentangle
themselves from the cobweb of their tangled reasoning and circular thinking.
Ray is of course the prototype of such people and probably is beyond
salvation. He is going to stay that way forever like a zombie.
It is of no use discussing with that kind of person.
Most telling is his use of "Dr. Scott says ..."
I have read quite a lot about flying saucers, and have read a few of
Dรคniken's books. But that was long ago. I never found anything that would
convince me. Adamski? Velikovsky? Roswell? No moon landings? Books like
'Flying Saucers have Landed', "Flying Saucers - Serious Business."
Fritjof Capra - "The Tao of Physics"; "The Dancing Wu-Li Masters" "The
Holographic Paradigm" - the mountain of Deception is miles-high and once you
have reached to the top there is no escape, you stay there like some
inverted Sisyphos, if you don't take proper care.
Proper care: To take it all with a solid portion of salt. Never forget that
the world is a rational place and that whatever might be lurking in the
metaphysical world, this is the world in which we live and that we have to
relate to. The rest is, for the time being and maybe for eternity, better
left alone for what it is: Something we know nothing about.
IIRC, there is a strange account in the Bible about some mysterious aircraft
(Ezekiel?) that sure looks as if something really strange may have happened,
but so what? It is mystery and probably always will be. I once read an
account by an aircraft engineer that had created - on paper - an aircraft
based on his interpretation of the text that according to him ought to be
able to fly. It had two propellers and must have been some kind of VTOL
craft.
Lyall Watson have written books about "Supernature" and they are quite
entertaining to read, but again- when finished reading I could only say "and
so what?"
But Ray have taken those last, crucial steps and gotten himself entangled in
useless metaphysical speculation. Since Behe ranks astrology a science,
maybe a study of astrology might work like some kind of homeopathic antidote
to his predicament?
Rolf
Tiny Bulcher
> Dr. Scott says the GP was already built before Egyptian civilization
> came into existence (c.3000 BC). The name "Khufu," the Pharoah
> credited by Atheist Egyptology with building the GP, means "light."
Then Dr. Scott knew fuck all about it.
Do you really think this lame piece of numerology is going to convince
anyone of anything?
Jim Willemin
news:jqKdnQUkHcm...@bt.com:
Well, it obviously convinced Ray... I suspect that this may be the
clinching argument in The Paper - this and ad hominem attacks on Darwin
seem to be the sum total of Ray's arguments to date. He cannot address
the fossil evidence for transitional hominid species (Turkana Boy, among
others) - his response to that was to call Dana a racist. He does not
address the astronomical evidence that the Great Pyramid was built
within 20 years of 2583 BCE - his response to that was to libel Richard.
I have corrected him before on Khufu's name - he never responded to
that. Frankly, I think The Paper will be nothing more than an attempt
at character assassination followed by this gobbledygook. I think it
would be safe to bet the farm that there will be nothing substantial in
it.
I'm going off on a vacation for a couple of weeks starting tomorrow, so
I am going to miss whatever rants this triggers (oh the sorrow!), but
knowing Ray's style I think I could probably write them myself
(predictable Rayvian raving). When I come back, I may just take
Flinders-Petrie's survey data and recast it in Egyptian royal cubits,
just to see what numbers fall out - it might be a vastly amusing
exercise. Or I could sort my sock drawer while waiting for Ray to
address the hypothesis that the chambers and passages in the pyramid
correspond to a representation of Osiris
(http://www.pyramidofman.com/introduction.htm - an interesting
speculation and at least as viable as Scott's, although the site
presenting the idea fails to account for precession in its astronomical
development, and is otherwise a little sloppy in external details).
Cory Albrecht
> On Jul 14, 7:48 am, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[199 lines of blather snipped]
>
> It's either coincidence or excessive numerology.
>
Don'tcha think that quoting nearly 200 lines only to add 1 line was also
excessive?
Tiny Bulcher
> "Tiny Bulcher" <alyc...@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:jqKdnQUkHcm...@bt.com:
>
>> ลพus cwฤลก Ray Martinez :
>>
>>> Dr. Scott says the GP was already built before Egyptian civilization
>>> came into existence (c.3000 BC). The name "Khufu," the Pharoah
>>> credited by Atheist Egyptology with building the GP, means "light."
>>
>> Then Dr. Scott knew fuck all about it.
>>
>> Do you really think this lame piece of numerology is going to
>> convince anyone of anything?
>>
>>
>>
>
> Well, it obviously convinced Ray... I suspect that this may be the
> clinching argument in The Paper - this and ad hominem attacks on
> Darwin seem to be the sum total of Ray's arguments to date.
But, but, you are forgetting The Eels of Atlantis, the Blinding Romans
Penalty, the British Israelites and, of course, the Amazing Scientific
Discovery (TBA). Surely such a barrage of Overwhelming Evidence (TM)
will be the blast of the trumpet that shatters the walls of Atheist
Darwinism?
Incidentally, did anyone notice the phrase 'Atheist Egyptology'? That's
an absolute belter, is that.
Furnace
"Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1184363332.0...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
A new argument for the existence of God.
The Argument From Ancient Mathematics:
1. Some old stuff is built to certain dimensions.
2. Those dimensions look like they vaguely correspond with the size of the
Earth, if you kinda slice them up in a certain way and squint a bit.
3. Therefore, the guys who built these things were Divinely inspired.
Ergo: God exists. Praise the Lord!
Slimebot McGoo
>special creation, created ultra-intelligent, confirmed by the Great
>Pyramid.
>
>Ray
Then you're proof of God's fallibility.
LOL. Confirmed by the Great Pyramid. What does the Great Pumpkin
have to say about it, Ray? LOL.
McGoo
chris.li...@gmail.com
> The polar diameter of the Earth is the measured distance between the
> poles through an imaginary axis running between each point.
>
> POLAR RADIUS
>
You're loonier than I thought, and that ain't easy.
Chris
snip
Inez
> "Ray Martinez" <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Even accepting this argument one is lead to a number of theological
questions, primarily surrounding the question of why God would give
divine inspiriation of utterly useless trivia to Egyptians. My guess
is that He was bored while waiting for Christianity to develop and
sent trivia to Egypt so they would entertain him with primitive quiz
shows.
Cory Albrecht
So, you're saying we should be using the Egyptian Royal Curcurbit as our
measuring standard?
Geoff
It's worse than top-posting IMHO. Not much worse, but definitely worse.
Dick C
> Dividing this figure by 10,000,000, the result is 25.0266 British
> inches (corrected to four places of decimals)...."
>
> A Great Pyramid cubit is divided into 25 equal parts or increments.
> Each part is called an inch. One pyramid inch = 1.001064 British
> inches, or as Dr. Gene Scott says: "one 1,000th of an inch longer than
> the British inch. Remove a hair from your head and divide it in two -
> that's the difference in length between the British inch and the
> pyramid inch." Therefore the pyramid inch is one 1,000th of an inch
> longer than the British inch.
Actually, reinventing the egygptian cubit is not a good idea. The Royal
Egyptian Cubit is 20.63 inches. And if you want to divide that by 25 to
get the so called pyramid inch you get a value of one p inch = .825 english
inches.
So the calculations end up all wrong. Also the measurements of pyramids
that all these calculations are based on are wrong. They are all estimates,
not actual measurements. When tbe pyramids were measured accurately it was
found that the sides were several feet shorter than what had used for all
these silly calculations.
snip.
--
Dick #1349
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
~Benjamin Franklin
Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com
email: dic...@comcast.net
Wakboth
> The polar diameter of the Earth is the measured distance between the
> poles through an imaginary axis running between each point.
[snip numerological delusions]
I'm reminded of the scene in "Foucault's Pendulum", where one of the
characters (an occultist, even) shows the silliness of this kind of an
argument by taking a tobacconist's booth and deriving all sorts of
cosmically and spiritually important numbers and relationships from
the booth's arbitrary measurements.
-- Wakboth
Ray Martinez
wrote:
> Ray Martinez <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:1184363332.0...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > The polar diameter of the Earth is the measured distance between the
> > poles through an imaginary axis running between each point.
>
> > POLAR RADIUS
>
> >http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/earthfact.html
>
> > According to NASA the polar radius of the Earth is:
>
> > "Polar radius [kilometers] 6356.8"
>
> > Converted to miles = 3949.9
>
> > The two links below also say the polar radius is 3949.9 miles:
>
> >http://www.caroun.com/Geography/General/Earth.html
>
> >http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_7cos.htm
>
> > According to Dr. Adam Rutherford F.R.A.S., F.R.G.S., in Egypt 1925,
> > 1950, 1963-5
> > Pyramidology Book 1 (London, 1957)
>
> > "The results of the latest geodetic research since the International
> > Geophysical Year 1957-8 reveal that the mean polar radius of the
> > Earth, as deduced from observation of the orbits of artificial Earth
> > satellites is 3949.9 miles.
>
> > Dividing this figure by 10,000,000, the result is 25.0266 British
> > inches (corrected to four places of decimals)...."
>
> Let's stop here for a second. The measurement is accurate to one
> decimal place (3949.9). That means that the actual diameter is
> somewhere between 3949.85 and 3949.95 miles, or somewhere between
> 250,262,000 inches and 250,268,000 inches
>
Rutherford SAID the "mean polar radius."
>
>
> > A Great Pyramid cubit is divided into 25 equal parts or increments.
>
> Where does this come from?
http://www.gizapyramid.com/newtour3.htm
http://img46.exs.cx/img46/8028/ray.jpg
There is an icon in lower right area of diagram that enlarges/
downsizes jpg image when you click on it.
Become oriented where the lower diagram is depicting by clicking on
the upper diagram. Just to the right of the King's Chamber (point #10)
in the upper diagram there is an arrow pointing to what is called the
Ante-Chamber or the Map Room of the Great Pyramid. The lower link (or
diagram) is a blow-up of this room.
When entering the Map Room from the Grand Gallery and after stepping
up the Great Step, there is a low area, then the Map Room, then
another low area leading out to the King's Chamber. The Map Room
diagram is inverted, the first low area should be on the right and the
second low area should be on the left.
Acquaint yourself with the Map Room diagram. When entering the Map
Room from the first low area, the flooring changes from limestone to
granite, marked by the line. Researches wondered why. After squaring
the area off (as depicted) the distance from the line (limestone to
granite) to the start of the second low area = 5 Egyptian Royal
Cubits.
Again, using the above linear distance, that is from where the
limestone ends/granite begins TO the vertical line marking the very
edge of the beginning of the second low section is 5 Royal Cubits.
When a circle is drawn touching the floor and both sides (limestone
and granite) the sub-division of that circle = 365.242 EQUAL PARTS =
365.242 [polar diameter inches = the exact same base line measurement
and the Solar year]
Thus as shown in the diagram: area of the square = area of the
circle.
Flinders Petrie (Atheist Egyptologist): "ERC used from the IVth to
VIth Dynasties = 20.63 +/- 0.02 British inches."
Adam Rutherford (Evangelical Pyramidologist): "The Great Pyramid
itself, however, by its own geometry reveals the length of its unit of
construction to a much higher degree of precision than Petrie was able
to do, and gives it as equivalent to 20.6285 British inches. It will
be observed, that Petrie's figure is only about .0015 of an inch
higher than this, which is well within the range of error allowed in
Petrie's figures (+/- 0.02)."
Rutherford: "Because of this direct mathematical relationship between
the [Pyramid] and Royal Cubits, all the measurements of the GP are
readily expressible in BOTH cubits, for the Royal Cubit was precisely
1/5 square root of the area of the circle."
The Year Circle in the Map Room is also called the Enoch Circle
(seventh from Adam, who lived 365 years). Genesis says that God took
him and does not record his death like other patriarchs. Thus, based
on this evidence, we conclude Enoch built the GP.
You have evaded all of the data for some silly inexact rule of thumb
and barleycorn nonsense. Why is the polar diameter, when divided into
500 million equal parts, each part = one 1,000th of an inch longer
than the British inch? Obviously, the polar diameter inch is the true
length. This increment is the measuring unit of the GP, as it is the
only one that fits, confirmed by the polar diameter evidence. If we
were talking about some great descrepancy like a sixteenth or thirty-
second then we are falsified. We are talking about one 1,000th of an
inch difference between the polar diameter inch and the British inch.
Obviously, the polar diameter inch is the true length of the British
inch.
Lemesurier was summarizing the Rutherford data published in four
volumes:
http://www.capstonebooks.com/orig/pages/pyramid.html
> > Rutherford's final figures, as listed below, are almost alone in
> > passing this crucial test in flying colors, in that they "fit" each
> > other trigonometrically to make a perfect and self-consistent system -
> > as any correct assessment of the GP's measurements ultimately must do.
> > There seems to be no alternative, therefore, but to accept
> > Rutherford's figures as they stand, as representing the best available
> > assessment of the GP's intended dimensions.
>
> > [Base perimeter measurements of the Great Pyramid]
>
> > Rutherford: Base square of side: 9131.05 [polar diameter inches]
> > (365.242 Cubits)
>
> FIVE HUNDREDTHS OF AN INCH!?!?
Geometrically derived.
http://www.gizapyramid.com/newtour2.htm
By using the ones still in place and extrapolating up; much like
evolutionists who extrapolate common ancestry based on data gathered
in the present.
> All of these very precise measurements are
> vacuous, measuring things that are no longer there. Now, it is
> *possible*, I suppose, for the acutal masonry to have had these
> dimensions, but it is by no means valid to claim that, because the
> measurements give you answers you decided beforehand must be there, the
> measurements of imaginary distances bear any factual significance.
>
>
>
> > CONCLUSIONS
>
> > The book of Joshua records his cry to God for the sun to stand still
> > so that he could continue to kill the LORD's enemies. This means that
> > Joshua thought that the sun was in orbit. Since he grew up in Egypt,
> > this makes sense. Ancient Egypt worshipped Ra (sun god) and thought
> > the Earth was fixed and flat. Ancient Egypt did not know the Earth was
> > round much less its EXACT polar dimensions, nor
>
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Chris H
Ray, it sounds like you've been there, care to post your travel diary
and photos?
> Acquaint yourself with the Map Room diagram. When entering the Map
> Room from the first low area, the flooring changes from limestone to
> granite, marked by the line. Researches wondered why. After squaring
> the area off (as depicted) the distance from the line (limestone to
> granite) to the start of the second low area = 5 Egyptian Royal
> Cubits.
>
> [snip]
--
C.
Pata...@gmail.com
I'm too used to GG hiding ridiculously long quotes for me.
Yeah, yeah, I know, I'm not a True Usenetter.
Kent Paul Dolan
[about Ray Martinez' long promised, long absent
"paper", on which he lyingly promised to be working
rather than posting the idiocy he continues to post
here in talk.origins.]
> Frankly, I think The Paper will be nothing more
> than an attempt at character assassination
> followed by this gobbledygook. I think it would
> be safe to bet the farm that there will be nothing
> substantial in it.
The sad thing is, this delusional behavior of Ray's
not only isn't very interesting, it isn't even
unique to Ray.
There's a "Chalky" over in sci.astro.research, who
gets even the simplest details of cosmology wrong,
cannot be corrected by professional astronomers no
matter how much patience they take with his inanity,
who spins out discussions disturbingly far past
their "use before rots by" date, yet who [together
with the innumerate professional statistician going
by "Oh No" there (who had to found a big 8
_moderated_ newsgroup for the posting of kook
science, and be its moderator, to guarantee himself
an eternal place to post idiocy and quash all
criticism of it)] has been promising now for a year
or more A Paper that is going to overturn all the
received wisdom of the astronomical community about
how the universe began, works today, and will
continue in the future.
It's like waiting for Laurel and Hardy to publish
their opus on quantum mechanics, waiting for these
clowns to produce, yet they wave around A Paper and
make Joseph McCarthy-like claims for what it
contains if only they were allowed/ready to publish.
James Harris of sci.math is another such "my
writings will overturn the entire discipline" addict
of great infamy.
Some psychiatrist could be immortalized by gathering
half a dozen of these Usenet kooks' behaviors in
detail, writing them up, publishing them in a
respected journal, and naming a new "severe mental
pathologies" syndrome classifying them, after
himself/herself.
Quantum valeat.
xanthian.
Josh Hayes
@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> It's like waiting for Laurel and Hardy to publish
> their opus on quantum mechanics, waiting for these
> clowns to produce, yet they wave around A Paper and
> make Joseph McCarthy-like claims for what it
> contains if only they were allowed/ready to publish.
[snip]
I had a sudden flash that I could write a brilliant little play about a
couple of people sitting, waiting, for the damn paper to show up, with the
occasional little comic interlude, and then having someone peep up
tentatively, "It's not ready yet".
"Waiting for Rayo."
But the big question is, who plays Vladimir? And who Estragon?
-JAH
and whither Pozzo?
Wombat
>
> > Where does this come from?
>
> http://www.gizapyramid.com/newtour3.htm
>
> http://img46.exs.cx/img46/8028/ray.jpg
>
> There is an icon in lower right area of diagram that enlarges/
> downsizes jpg image when you click on it.
>
> Become oriented where the lower diagram is depicting by clicking on
> the upper diagram. Just to the right of the King's Chamber (point #10)
> in the upper diagram there is an arrow pointing to what is called the
Who says the Map Room is called the Enoch Circle - the ancient
Egyptians or one of your Victorian gentleman mystics.
If the latter then Elijah must have built the pyramid since the fiery
chariot taking him to heaven was a time machine and he made a small
diversion to Egypt.
snip paeudo scientific babble
> Obviously, the polar diameter inch is the true length of the British
> inch.
BULLSHIT. The relationship only exists in your fevered brain.
The inch is based originally on a pagan Anglo Sxon measure. One
suspects their knowledge of Genesis was zilch.
Wombat
Snip the rest of the stupid pseudo-science
Steve Marshall
"Jim Willemin" <jim***willemin@hot***mail.com> wrote
>> Dividing this figure by 10,000,000, the result is 25.0266 British
>> inches (corrected to four places of decimals)...."
>
> Let's stop here for a second. The measurement is accurate to one
> decimal place (3949.9). That means that the actual diameter is
> somewhere between 3949.85 and 3949.95 miles, or somewhere between
> 250,262,000 inches and 250,268,000 inches
The Egyptian Cubit used was 20.61 to 20.63 inches so it is a long way out.
Steve M
Steve Marshall
"Inez" <savagem...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> "The results of the latest geodetic research since the International
>> Geophysical Year 1957-8 reveal that the mean polar radius of the
>> Earth, as deduced from observation of the orbits of artificial Earth
>> satellites is 3949.9 miles.
>
>
>> Dividing this figure by 10,000,000, the result is 25.0266 British
>> inches (corrected to four places of decimals)...."
>
> an inch?! Because if it isn't I don't believe you get anything like 4
> decimal places of accuracy.
>
>> A Great Pyramid cubit is divided into 25 equal parts or increments.
Look at this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Old_Royal_Cubit.jpg
Steve M
Timberwoof
Ray Martinez <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The polar diameter of the Earth is the measured distance between the
> poles through an imaginary axis running between each point.
Another amazing coincidence is the length of the day.
1 Day = 24 hours = 1440 Minutes = 86,400 seconds. Do you realize how
amazing hat is? If the day were some other length, then it would be some
weird-ass number of seconds.
Mars, for instance, has a day of 24.622962 hours. That's an extra
2,242.6632 seconds per day.
I think the so-called "coincidence" of the amazingly even way in which
seconds divide into days is no coincidence at all: it is conclusive
proof that God is from Earth!
--
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
jet
> The polar diameter of the Earth is the measured distance between the
> poles through an imaginary axis running between each point.
>
>
> http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/earthfact.html
>
> According to NASA the polar radius of the Earth is:
>
> "Polar radius [kilometers] 6356.8"
>
> Converted to miles = 3949.9
>
> The two links below also say the polar radius is 3949.9 miles:
>
> http://www.caroun.com/Geography/General/Earth.html
>
> http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_7cos.htm
>
> According to Dr. Adam Rutherford F.R.A.S., F.R.G.S., in Egypt 1925,
> 1950, 1963-5
> Pyramidology Book 1 (London, 1957)
>
> Geophysical Year 1957-8 reveal that the mean polar radius of the
> Earth, as deduced from observation of the orbits of artificial Earth
> satellites is 3949.9 miles.
>
> inches (corrected to four places of decimals)...."
>
> inches, or as Dr. Gene Scott says: "one 1,000th of an inch longer than
> the British inch. Remove a hair from your head and divide it in two -
> that's the difference in length between the British inch and the
> pyramid inch." Therefore the pyramid inch is one 1,000th of an inch
> longer than the British inch.
>
> Continuing with the Rutherford quote:
>
> the....Cubit of the Great Pyramid. Thus the Earth's mean polar radius
> measures 10,000,000....Cubits or 250,000,000 Pyramid inches; hence the
> Pyramid inch is the 500,000,000th of the Earth's polar
> diameter" (pages 75,76).
>
There is no "Cubit of the Great Pyramid", it is a fiction. They used
the Royal Egyptian Cubit about 21.6". During the Old Kingdom this was
divided into 24 parts, making each "Old Kingdom Inch" about 0.9". That
means the polar radius is about 278,000,000 "Old Kingdom Inches". Not
terribly interesting.
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