RIP Richard Harter

[Roger Shrubber]

Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.

talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.

<http://www.familyfuneralhome.net/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=1461087&fh_id=10936>

Richard was one of the true old-timers of talk.origins.
He was noteworthy for many things. He provided some excellent
research, compiling some nice work on piltdown man
http://home.tiac.net/~cri_a/piltdown/piltdown.html

He offered a stellar clarity of thought that was coupled with
equal talent in exposition.

Mostly, I recall Richard's sense of humor.

But it should also be noted that Richard was a poet. I close
with a few of his poems here.

-
When a poster won't behave
Put that poster in the grave.
Kill him quick for life is short.
Silence is the best retort.

-
I spent my youth on growing old
To live a tale that now is told
The years I spent, they were not lost
Life itself was worth the cost.

-
In the fields of Hell where the grass grows high
Are the graves of dreams allowed to die.
A neglected grave with a fallen slate
Bears the epitaph that tells their fate,

I could have been, but I am not.
I am the dream that you forgot.

In our busy times we fail to choose
To nourish dreams, which we then lose
And the dreams we lose are left to lie
In the fields of Hell where the grass grows high.
Life itself was worth the cost.

[prawnster]

On Jun 8, 11:44 pm, Roger Shrubber <rog.shrubb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>
> talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.
>

It's rare that I encounter someone who makes me feel lucky to be me.
Mr. Harter is one such man.

And so typical of atheo-Darwinists, he bore no live young.

Within four generations, you'll be able to write an obit for
evolution, too.

[John S. Wilkins]

Oh no. That is so sad. Richard was a stellar man and a real character. He will be greatly missed.

My commiserations to his family.

[Boikat]

On Jun 9, 1:44 am, Roger Shrubber <rog.shrubb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>
> talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.
>

> <http://www.familyfuneralhome.net/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=1461...>
>
<snip>

Oh my!

[prawnster]

On Jun 8, 11:44 pm, Roger Shrubber <rog.shrubb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>

> Mostly, I recall Richard's sense of humor.

Oh, you mean something like this:

In the longlongago, prawndaddy said:
>Shouldn't evolution's truth be self-evident via observation? Oh,
>that's right. No one has ever seen evolution.
>Because of this, a never-ending marketing campaign must be waged on
>behalf of evolution, starting with impressionable gullible children.
>Instead of insisting on brainwashing children into believing that
>evolution happened, scientists should simply demonstrate evolution.
>Then there would be no controversy.


And that clever clever manchild Mr. Harter prissed back:
>I am amost certain that you thought you were saying something
intelligent. Unfortunately nothing intelligent actually got into
your
posting. Try again. This time, take your thumb out of where you
keep
it warm.<

Wow, what a wit Mr. Harter was! Oh, I just can't start laughing!

And why, oh why weren't women just throwing themselves at this
brilliant man so that he could 'volve and 'volve again? No, instead
poor Mr. Harter sat swishing a glass of wine, as pictured, his spindly
legs crossed tightly at the knee, undoubtedly doing little to no
violence to his micronads.

Hey, everyone, let's all post our favorite examples of Mr. Harter's
wit-n-wisdom here on usernet!

[Vend]

On 9 Giu, 08:44, Roger Shrubber <rog.shrubb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>
> talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.

Farewell

[Burkhard]

On Jun 9, 7:44 am, Roger Shrubber <rog.shrubb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>
> talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.
>

> <http://www.familyfuneralhome.net/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=1461...>

>
> Richard was one of the true old-timers of talk.origins.
> He was noteworthy for many things. He provided some excellent

> research, compiling some nice work on piltdown manhttp://home.tiac.net/~cri_a/piltdown/piltdown.html

That's very sad news indeed, he was a quite remarkable individual, and
I will miss his warm and witty presence on this NG

[Ron O]

On Jun 9, 1:44 am, Roger Shrubber <rog.shrubb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>
> talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.
>

> <http://www.familyfuneralhome.net/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=1461...>

>
> Richard was one of the true old-timers of talk.origins.
> He was noteworthy for many things. He provided some excellent

> research, compiling some nice work on piltdown manhttp://home.tiac.net/~cri_a/piltdown/piltdown.html

Say it ain't so!

He led a long and productive life, and he was younger than my father.
Just reminds me that I should call home this weekend.

Thank you Richard.

Ron Okimoto

[Roger Shrubber]

prawnster wrote:

> Hey, everyone, let's all post our favorite examples of Mr. Harter's
> wit-n-wisdom here on usernet!

How accidentally appropriate. By rights, I should respond with
a horribly tortured pun, however, not all is right with the world.
Instead I'll follow your instructions.

It's hard to know how long Richard's web site will
remain up. For a long time I hope. Nevertheless, I
will paste in one of his essays.

A great wealth is available here:
http://home.tiac.net/~cri/origins.html

http://home.tiac.net/~cri/2000/marsupials.html
On the value of Ancient Wise Ones

One of the little questions that evolutionary theorists vex themselves
with is why we humans live so long compared to other species. One theory
is that grandparents are useful because we take a long time to mature -
auxilliary child care is a survival feature.

Here is a different take on the utility of grandparents notion. In a
social species it can be very useful to have a few "old wise ones"
around. They have lived long enough to remember what to do in rare
circumstances because they experienced them personally. Without speech
the length of group memory is bounded by the age of the eldest member.
Speech enables a longer group memory. Even then, though, the reliability
of oral narratives is greater when they are correctible by "I was there
and it didn't happen like that."

I am firmly of the opinion that ancient wise ones are an important
social resource and should therefore be privileged.

[Frank J]

This comes especially as a shock since he was married less than a year ago. I knew that he had a few years on me, but this still came much too soon.

[TomS]

"On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:14:09 +0930, in article
<LcudnatpKZArbU_S...@giganews.com>, Roger Shrubber stated..."

Sad news indeed.


--
---Tom S.
"Ah, yeah, well, whenever you notice something like that, a wizard did it"
Lucy Lawless, the Simpsons "Treehouse of Horror X: Desperately Xeeking Xena"
(1999)

[Ron O]

I could have never written this post, and you should be commended. I
have a totally different way of dealing with miscreants that is not
appropriate in this instance so I refrained from doing it. Thank you
for this post.

Now that we have Google the memories can be crosschecked for a longer
period of time, and Harter's memory will fade more slowly.

Ron Okimoto

[Boikat]

Like all cowards, you can run your yap at 90 MPH when the target of
your mental masturbation can not respond.

Boikat

[Richard Clayton]

Ah, what a shame. I remember him well; he was particularly active back
in the days when I was but a wee lurker. Ave atque vale, Richard.

--
[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Richard Clayton
"I keep six honest serving men (they taught me all I knew); their names
are What and Why and When and How and Where and Who." — Rudyard Kipling

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:14:09 +0930, Roger Shrubber
<rog.sh...@gmail.com> wrote in talk.origins:

My condolences to his family and memories of his fine writing.

[biblear...@hotmail.com]

On Jun 8, 11:44 pm, Roger Shrubber <rog.shrubb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>
> talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.
>

> <http://www.familyfuneralhome.net/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=1461...>

>
> Richard was one of the true old-timers of talk.origins.
> He was noteworthy for many things. He provided some excellent

> research, compiling some nice work on piltdown manhttp://home.tiac.net/~cri_a/piltdown/piltdown.html

Many a creationist strove to win Richard to Christ. Why? Because
every man is worth saving.

[chris thompson]

On Jun 9, 2:44 am, Roger Shrubber <rog.shrubb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>
> talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.
>

> <http://www.familyfuneralhome.net/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=1461...>

>
> Richard was one of the true old-timers of talk.origins.
> He was noteworthy for many things. He provided some excellent

> research, compiling some nice work on piltdown manhttp://home.tiac.net/~cri_a/piltdown/piltdown.html

That's terrible news. He was such a fine person.

Chris

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 07:04:27 -0700 (PDT), biblear...@hotmail.com
wrote in talk.origins:

Creationists preach doctrines that have been proven false. How can they
save anyone for anything when they start with falsehoods?

[prawnster]

On Jun 9, 4:34 am, Roger Shrubber <rog.shrubb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]

> Here is a different take on the utility of grandparents notion. In a
> social species it can be very useful to have a few "old wise ones"
> around. They have lived long enough to remember what to do in rare
> circumstances because they experienced them personally. Without speech
> the length of group memory is bounded by the age of the eldest member.
> Speech enables a longer group memory. Even then, though, the reliability
> of oral narratives is greater when they are correctible by "I was there
> and it didn't happen like that."
>
> I am firmly of the opinion that ancient wise ones are an important
> social resource and should therefore be privileged.

That's a steaming moldy pile of dung. Oldsters are visible
confirmations and reminders of death. The so-called ageing process
is, in fact, the death process: slack skin, deformed skeleton, white
hair, decayed teeth, diminished muscle tone and strength, dull and/or
confused mind. The death process, the wages of sin, is pointless and
revolting. Old people are any civiliation's least important social
resource, and there's no evidence that they're particularly wise,
either; cf: Mr. Harter.

You're likely a geezer yourself and wish others cared more about you.
Not gonna happen: the older anyone gets, the less anyone wants them
around or cares what they think, their family included. Suck it,
grayballs.

[prawnster]

On Jun 9, 7:04 am, biblearcheol...@hotmail.com wrote:
> [...]

> Many a creationist strove to win Richard to Christ.  Why?  Because
> every man is worth saving.

Agreed.

Have you read Mr. Harter's scribblings? He was an stone narcissist,
and would certainly never bend the knee before anyone, even the
creator of the universe and himself. Who would want to live forever
with someone like that? That, of course, is not even a question.

[Mark Isaak]

On 6/8/12 11:44 PM, Roger Shrubber wrote:
> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>
> talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.

Sad news indeed. Richard himself often commented on his ancientness,
but his passing still comes as an unpleasant surprise.

--
Mark Isaak eciton (at) curioustaxonomy (dot) net
"It is certain, from experience, that the smallest grain of natural
honesty and benevolence has more effect on men's conduct, than the most
pompous views suggested by theological theories and systems." - D. Hume

[prawnster]

On Jun 9, 5:18 am, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> [...]

> Like all cowards, you can run your yap at 90 MPH when the target of
> your mental masturbation can not respond.
>

Mr. Harter was a lightweight. He had hundreds of chances to respond
to me here on usernet and did so just once, churning out the unfunny
and generic lame cited above. Mr. Harter had nothing interesting to
say.

[gdgu...@gmail.com]

"Richard Harter" (real name), mocked (posthumously) by "prawnster".

Kinda says it all.

[prawnster]

On Jun 9, 9:49 am, "g...@risky-biz.com" <gdguar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]

> "Richard Harter" (real name), mocked (posthumously) by "prawnster".
>
> Kinda says it all.

It's easy to use one's real name when one is just mouthing the
expected au currant bromides, platitudes, and metaphysics of any given
generation. Exhibit A: Richard Harter. It's the reason some are
pushing to eliminate anonymity on the Internet: they want increased
conformity of expression and thought, and don't want dissenting,
skeptical, or diverse voices. In other words, they're Stalinists.

Mr. Harter had every chance to spar with me, and chose to do so just
once. And what'd he produce? A generic, unfunny, lame retort. He
had nothing to offer. Outside of his immediate family, he won't be
missed.

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 10:04:23 -0700 (PDT), prawnster
<zweib...@ymail.com> wrote in talk.origins:

You keep giving us more reasons to dismiss you as a rude, ungracious
fool. Would you like to stop while you are behind or do you want to
prove that you are one of the most disgusting people on earth?

[Boikat]

See above.

Boikat

[Michael Siemon]

In article <LcudnatpKZArbU_S...@giganews.com>,

Roger Shrubber <rog.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.

That, and a good Riesling; he was very fond of German wines...

>
> talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.
>

> <http://www.familyfuneralhome.net/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=1461087&fh_i
> d=10936>

>
> Richard was one of the true old-timers of talk.origins.
> He was noteworthy for many things. He provided some excellent
> research, compiling some nice work on piltdown man
> http://home.tiac.net/~cri_a/piltdown/piltdown.html
>
> He offered a stellar clarity of thought that was coupled with
> equal talent in exposition.
>
> Mostly, I recall Richard's sense of humor.

A light of revelation to the nations. He will be sorely missed.

[walksalone]

Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:16d437b8-3799-4bae-9731-
f2002d...@h10g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:

Piggybacking, the odious one is not a regular on my system.

Excuse the intrusion?
Prawnster, in most civilzed social or information exchanging settings,
adults do not argue with children. Mr. Harter obviously followed this
convention. From your posturing & mental masturbation, I have no choice
but to concur with him.


> See above.

walksalone who will now permit the so called prawnster to return to the
cess pool of the internet where he can bask in the company & admiration
of other less than desireable converfsation companions.
BTW, any response by you will indicate you truly are above nuclear
weapons grade den sity from the eyebrows up.

"Men imagine that celestial bodies are divine yet ascribe to them
purposes inconsistent with divinity; and they anticipate eternal
suffering after death. Peace of mind follows freedom from such fears,
and will be gained if we trust to our immediate feelings and
sensations."
- Epicurus

[Michael Siemon]

In article <t527t791d81qne06l...@4ax.com>,

I think Harter would have been deeply amused by the squalid blather
coming from prawnster. Cockroaches scurry from the light...

[Syamsu]

He was very deluded about who he was as the owner of his choices, his
soul. Richard was one of those people who ruined the game of life in
society with his scientism. It's kind of unknown how many people he
led into spiritual defilement. I would guess 90 or so. He is dead and
gone and so will all the other evolutionists be dead and gone, unaware
who they are as the owner of their choices. The denial of the
spiritual domain, denial of both God and the human spirit is something
very unneccessary, because the truth that freedom is real and relevant
is quite obvious. Nevertheless this view can be made to look appealing
with its emphasis on fact, boosting self confidence about whats right
and whats wrong in an illegitemate way. Richard could not get enough
of the hardness of facts, and resisted the fragility of faith from the
heart. It's a good thing that he is dead, and turned to soil, and an
indian perhaps could rid the soil of his unclean spirit.

[Mike Painter]

On 6/9/2012 1:43 AM, prawnster wrote:

<snip>

I'm sure Richard would applaud your posts on his dying.

More than anything a thinking kind person could do, you show us what the
true believer is like.

Mus be sad for you that you don't live in the day when you could follow
the bible and bash babies against rocks. Not even old enough to have
been an SS trooper I bet.

[Frank J]

On Saturday, June 9, 2012 2:16:42 PM UTC-4, Michael Siemon wrote:
> In article <LcudnatpKZArbU_S...@giganews.com>,
> Roger Shrubber <rog.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
> > To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
> > glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.

I was having my morning coffee when I first read it. But now it's time for a single malt to toast his memory.

Hey, the sun just came out after 2 hours of clouds! What I'm thinking may be unfalsifiable, but like the scotch, it makes me smile.

[Robert Camp]

I ask this in all seriousness; Do you really think you've offered
something with which anyone here should consider it worth sparring?

By my reckoning you are the bottom of the oppositional barrel. Your
level of familiarity with the subject matter discussed in this group
is meager. You are as irony-impaired as the most inept of creationists
- witness your embarrassment in the Dunning-Krueger thread (sorry, I
don't suppose you are capable of doing so). You continually indulge in
hatefulness and resentment. And the most substantive (if they can be
called that) of your comments consist of childish epithets and
mockery.

I assure you that there are few here who are unwilling to "spar" with
you out of trepidation. No one, least of all Harter, is (was) avoiding
you. For the most part you're simply beneath notice.

And just to forestall the inevitable witless comeback, I'll mention
that I'm responding to you now only because a couple of your recent
comments (like the one above) indicate that you actually seem to
believe you're contributing to intelligent, useful discourse. I find
that idea astounding (not to mention counter to the evidence), and
have to wonder at the level of delusion implied by such cognitive
discord.

RLC

[wiki trix]

I have to admit that you do write rather well, considering that it
never makes a single iota of sense. Not that it necessarily should.
But your words are often very well put together. All is quite
grammatical, pleasant cadence, nice structure, and a nice turn of
phrase here and there. But I do I have to wonder for example, what
might be the possible meaning of: "Richard was one of those people who
ruined the game of life in society with his scientism" if any. People
do have a tendency to be on the lookout for meaning. Bad habit I
guess. But most of what you write is just a tad more meaningful than
Chomsky's "Colorless green ideas sleep furiously". But not by much.
All grammatically correct and logical in form but semantically almost
entirely nonsensical. Carnap said that almost every sentence written
by Heidegger was grammatically correct but also meaningless. So you
may be in good company. And then there is pure nonsense verse such as
Charles Dodgson's: 'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and
gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths
outgrabe." And there is Schizophrenia's clanging talk. And also Ella
Fitzgerald's scat singing. All art forms in their own way I suppose.
Not sure about the clanging though. Would that be art? In any case,
all in all, very nice work Syamsu. But I have to ask, are you
clanging? What is going on in there Syamsu? Schizophrenia? Just a
touch? I am not making a value judgment here Syamsu... just
wondering... Anyhow, thanks for your wonderful literary contributions.
But I hope you are not suffering when you do it. If you are, it may
not actually be worth it. Something to think about. You could try
taking a break for a while and see how that goes. I could fill in for
you with my own nonsense for a bit if that helps. I am not as good as
you, but I am willing and able. Just think about it my friend. And let
me know.

[Glenn]

On Jun 8, 11:44 pm, Roger Shrubber <rog.shrubb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>

"To all who have corresponded with Richard over the years.
March 18 Richard became very ill and I (Deb) his wife took him to
the Emergency Room. Richard went through a very difficult month
in the ICU and then was taken off the ventilator and dialysis.
We then went to Dougherty Hospice House where he peacefully slipped
away April 20, 2012.

I don't know his newsgroup corresponders but I wanted you all to know
why he has quit corresponding."

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.c/msg/c8d4acd3f49425b5?dmode=source

Condolences to his wife and family. Farewell, Richard.

[Xavier Onnasis]

Roger Shrubber <rog.sh...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:LcudnatpKZArbU_S...@giganews.com:

> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>

> talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.
>
><http://www.familyfuneralhome.net/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=1461
>087&fh_id=10936>
>
> Richard was one of the true old-timers of talk.origins.
> He was noteworthy for many things. He provided some excellent
> research, compiling some nice work on piltdown man
> http://home.tiac.net/~cri_a/piltdown/piltdown.html
>
> He offered a stellar clarity of thought that was coupled with
> equal talent in exposition.

I mostly lurk here (though I'll occasionally post something when
my good senses are overwhelmed by strong drink overwhelms)...and
Richard Harter's posts were one the biggest delights I've ever
found in whilst browsing this group. for those (few) who don't
know, he posted his take on the planet we live on at his home
page:http://home.tiac.net/~cri/

<QUOTE http://home.tiac.net/~cri/>
This site best viewed with a glass of scotch!
Wit and wisdom throughout the centuries!
Continuous publication since 1996!
Slum city of the mind!
February 15, 2012
</QUOTE>

>
> Mostly, I recall Richard's sense of humor.
>

> But it should also be noted that Richard was a poet. I close
> with a few of his poems here.
>
> -
> When a poster won't behave
> Put that poster in the grave.
> Kill him quick for life is short.
> Silence is the best retort.
>
> -
> I spent my youth on growing old
> To live a tale that now is told
> The years I spent, they were not lost
> Life itself was worth the cost.
>
> -
> In the fields of Hell where the grass grows high
> Are the graves of dreams allowed to die.
> A neglected grave with a fallen slate
> Bears the epitaph that tells their fate,
>
> I could have been, but I am not.
> I am the dream that you forgot.
>
> In our busy times we fail to choose
> To nourish dreams, which we then lose
> And the dreams we lose are left to lie
> In the fields of Hell where the grass grows high.
> Life itself was worth the cost.
>

--

XO

[Bob Casanova]

On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 16:14:09 +0930, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Roger Shrubber
<rog.sh...@gmail.com>:

Thanks for the info; I wasn't aware of this.

One of the good guys; he'll be missed, even though he only
posted occasionally of late.

>Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
>To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
>glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>
>talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.
>
><http://www.familyfuneralhome.net/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=1461087&fh_id=10936>
>
>Richard was one of the true old-timers of talk.origins.
>He was noteworthy for many things. He provided some excellent
>research, compiling some nice work on piltdown man
>http://home.tiac.net/~cri_a/piltdown/piltdown.html
>
>He offered a stellar clarity of thought that was coupled with
>equal talent in exposition.
>

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

[chris thompson]

> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.c/msg/c8d4acd3f49425b5?dmode...

>
> Condolences to his wife and family. Farewell, Richard.

You are a good person.

Chris

[Bob Casanova]

On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 00:22:07 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by prawnster
<zweib...@ymail.com>:

>On Jun 8, 11:44 pm, Roger Shrubber <rog.shrubb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
>> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
>> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>>

>> talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.
>>
>

>It's rare that I encounter someone who makes me feel lucky to be me.
>Mr. Harter is one such man.

Spoken like a True Christian(TM); Jesus would be proud of
you.

[Paul J Gans]

Roger Shrubber <rog.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
>To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
>glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.

>talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.

Oh my gosh! I didn't know. And I'm shocked.

We had a Howlerfest for Harter here in New York a number of years
back. He was an exceptional person. He will be missed.

I'm shocked. Just shocked. And greatly saddened.

--
--- Paul J. Gans

[Paul J Gans]

prawnster <zweib...@ymail.com> wrote:

>On Jun 8, 11:44 pm, Roger Shrubber <rog.shrubb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
>> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
>> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>>
>> talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.
>>

>It's rare that I encounter someone who makes me feel lucky to be me.
>Mr. Harter is one such man.

>And so typical of atheo-Darwinists, he bore no live young.

>Within four generations, you'll be able to write an obit for
>evolution, too.

Just shut up.

[Craig Franck]

On 6/9/2012 7:18 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 00:22:07 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in talk.origins, posted by prawnster
> <zweib...@ymail.com>:
>
>> On Jun 8, 11:44 pm, Roger Shrubber<rog.shrubb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
>>> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
>>> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>>>
>>> talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.
>>>
>>
>> It's rare that I encounter someone who makes me feel lucky to be me.
>> Mr. Harter is one such man.
>
> Spoken like a True Christian(TM); Jesus would be proud of
> you.

I like Woody Allen's take better:

"If Jesus came back and saw what's going on in his name, he'd
never stop throwing up."

Craig

[Paul J Gans]

Roger Shrubber <rog.sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>prawnster wrote:

>> Hey, everyone, let's all post our favorite examples of Mr. Harter's
>> wit-n-wisdom here on usernet!

>How accidentally appropriate. By rights, I should respond with
>a horribly tortured pun, however, not all is right with the world.
>Instead I'll follow your instructions.

>It's hard to know how long Richard's web site will
>remain up. For a long time I hope. Nevertheless, I
>will paste in one of his essays.

>A great wealth is available here:
>http://home.tiac.net/~cri/origins.html

>http://home.tiac.net/~cri/2000/marsupials.html
>On the value of Ancient Wise Ones

>One of the little questions that evolutionary theorists vex themselves
>with is why we humans live so long compared to other species. One theory
>is that grandparents are useful because we take a long time to mature -
>auxilliary child care is a survival feature.

>Here is a different take on the utility of grandparents notion. In a
>social species it can be very useful to have a few "old wise ones"
>around. They have lived long enough to remember what to do in rare
>circumstances because they experienced them personally. Without speech
>the length of group memory is bounded by the age of the eldest member.
>Speech enables a longer group memory. Even then, though, the reliability
>of oral narratives is greater when they are correctible by "I was there
>and it didn't happen like that."

>I am firmly of the opinion that ancient wise ones are an important
>social resource and should therefore be privileged.

Let me add a bit to what you've written, though I am still more
shaken up by all this than I ever thought I'd be.

I've known Harter via talk.origins for as long as I've been here,
which has to be pushing 20 years now if not longer. In the midst
of that, 10 years ago, Harter came through New York.

Of course we put on a Howlerfest for him. I took pictures and put
some on a web page:

http://scholar.chem.nyu.edu/talkorigins/talkorigins.html

from there it is easy to find the Harter pages.

I'm sorry I did not post more of them.

It was a fun afternoon. Good talk, good beer, and a good time.

[Paul J Gans]

He really got to you, didn't he?

[Craig Franck]

On 6/9/2012 1:04 PM, prawnster wrote:
> On Jun 9, 9:49 am, "g...@risky-biz.com"<gdguar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>> "Richard Harter" (real name), mocked (posthumously) by "prawnster".
>>
>> Kinda says it all.

> Mr. Harter had every chance to spar with me, and chose to do so just
> once. And what'd he produce? A generic, unfunny, lame retort. He
> had nothing to offer. Outside of his immediate family, he won't be
> missed.

It looks like Richard Harter was a prophet:

prawnster wrote:
> And that clever clever manchild Mr. Harter prissed back:
> I am amost certain that you thought you were saying something
> intelligent. Unfortunately nothing intelligent actually got into
> your
> posting. Try again. This time, take your thumb out of where you
> keep
> it warm.

Lying about the man after he's dead:

"Outside of his immediate family, he won't be missed."

You stay classy!

Craig

[Paul J Gans]

Thank you for passing that on. I'm saddened that he had a
hard last month, but he, like almost all Marines, never
ran from a fight.

[Glenn]

On Jun 9, 5:22 pm, Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:

> Glenn <GlennShel...@msn.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 8, 11:44 pm, Roger Shrubber <rog.shrubb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
> >> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
> >> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>
> >"To all who have corresponded with Richard over the years.
> >March 18 Richard became very ill and I (Deb) his wife took him to
> >the Emergency Room.  Richard went through a very difficult month
> >in the ICU and then was taken off the ventilator and dialysis.
> >We then went to Dougherty Hospice House where he peacefully slipped
> >away April 20, 2012.
> >I don't know his newsgroup corresponders but I wanted you all to know
> >why he has quit corresponding."

> >http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.c/msg/c8d4acd3f49425b5?dmode...

> >Condolences to his wife and family. Farewell, Richard.
>
> Thank you for passing that on.  I'm saddened that he had a
> hard last month, but he, like almost all Marines, never
> ran from a fight.
>

Marines never run from a fight, they just advance in another
direction.

[chris thompson]

On Jun 9, 8:06�pm, Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:

I knew about that Howlerfest, but for reasons I cannot remember now, I
could not make it. I really wish I had met Richard in person.

Chris

[biblear...@hotmail.com]

On Jun 9, 8:45 am, prawnster <zweibro...@ymail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 9, 7:04 am, biblearcheol...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > [...]
> > Many a creationist strove to win Richard to Christ.  Why?  Because
> > every man is worth saving.
>
> Agreed.
>
> Have you read Mr. Harter's scribblings?  He was an stone narcissist,
> and would certainly never bend the knee before anyone, even the
> creator of the universe and himself.  Who would want to live forever
> with someone like that?  That, of course, is not even a question.

People become who they are, largely in part because they get
accustomed to human failure. If you were in heaven it would be another
thing. You may just as well like it.

[Roger Shrubber]

Robert Camp wrote:

> I ask this in all seriousness; Do you really think you've offered
> something with which anyone here should consider it worth sparring?
>
> By my reckoning you are the bottom of the oppositional barrel. Your
> level of familiarity with the subject matter discussed in this group
> is meager. You are as irony-impaired as the most inept of creationists
> - witness your embarrassment in the Dunning-Krueger thread (sorry, I
> don't suppose you are capable of doing so). You continually indulge in
> hatefulness and resentment. And the most substantive (if they can be
> called that) of your comments consist of childish epithets and
> mockery.
>
> I assure you that there are few here who are unwilling to "spar" with
> you out of trepidation. No one, least of all Harter, is (was) avoiding
> you. For the most part you're simply beneath notice.

An infamous philosopher from around these parts has recently opined
that "enlightenment" is an inadequate metaphor. We are awash in
sources of light. What we need is contrast from which to resolve
signal from the noise.

I represent to you that Richard knew this well. And I suggest
he used it well, selecting various endarkened canvases upon
which he would compose a polychromatic essay. Too few seem to
appreciate the lesson.

[Paul J Gans]

If you'd have said that to Harter you'd have seen his face
cloud over. He would not have been a happy camper.

How do I know this? Don't ask... But he forgave me.

[Paul J Gans]

That's too bad. You'd have enjoyed it.

[Glenn]

Why would he have had a problem with that?

[Glenn]

Well, like the Gekko said, "humans...you gotta give em a break. We're
all a mixed bag."

[Paul J Gans]

There seems to be a certain mystique among Marines. I know
several others. They are the same way.

[chris thompson]

On Jun 9, 10:51 pm, Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:

I enjoy it vicariously through your photos. We take what we can in
this life.

Chris

[chris thompson]

Army Rangers- my cousin was a Captain in Rangers- are the same.

Chris

[James Beck]

Chin up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwCWCJLm6M0

[Glenn]

Richard was trained and served right at the end of the Korean war.
Likely there was misunderstanding and resentment over what some
perceived to have happened at Chosin and General Smith.
I was trained in '70, told that we were never to run, but that
strategic withdrawal is not running or cowardly. Enlisted really don't
need to understand that, but you can't have NCO's and brass letting
everyone get killed in an action when they could withdraw and come
back with a more effective plan. Also, orders from above to retreat
are to be obeyed.
I agree there is a certain mystique, or attitude, among some. Marines
are taught never to back down, and even some of the seasoned vets at
Chosin at the time must have had difficulty coming to grips with their
orders. But above all, Marines obey orders. Hopefully if Richard and I
had discussed this, at worst we would have came away with agreeing to
disagree. He would have had to have made a good case for his position,
though.

[SkyEyes]

On Jun 8, 11:44 pm, Roger Shrubber <rog.shrubb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>

> talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.
>

> <http://www.familyfuneralhome.net/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=1461...>

>
> Richard was one of the true old-timers of talk.origins.
> He was noteworthy for many things. He provided some excellent

> research, compiling some nice work on piltdown manhttp://home.tiac.net/~cri_a/piltdown/piltdown.html

I'm *so* sorry to hear of Richard's passing. :(

Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
skyeyes nine at cox dot net OR
skyeyes nine at yahoo dot com

[chris thompson]

Oh, I think he would have agreed with you.

Chris

[Mike Dworetsky]

Roger Shrubber wrote:
> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>

> talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.
>

> <http://www.familyfuneralhome.net/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=1461087&fh_id=10936>

I'm very sad to hear about this, my condolences to his family and all his
friends. Some years back we engaged in a discussion of his draft of the
Piltdown Man web page that he compiled. And maybe a few other times...

A good guy.

--
Mike Dworetsky

(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)

[Paul J Gans]

That's what I've been told. Elite units are often trained
this way.

[Paul J Gans]

That's great stuff!

[Paul J Gans]

AHA! I see the problem. I did not phrase my statement properly.
By 'not running from a fight' I meant that he'd not back down
because some internet bully was attempting to overwhelm him. I
wrote that in response to some of the rather insensitive things
one of the congenital idiots here posted.

Harter basically ignored him. As do most of the rest of us.

[Ron O]

On Jun 9, 10:49 pm, James Beck <jdbeck11...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 00:06:01 +0000 (UTC), Paul J Gans
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <gan...@panix.com> wrote:

Thanks.

Ron Okimoto

[Mitchell Coffey]

On Jun 9, 2:44 am, Roger Shrubber <rog.shrubb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>

> talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.
>

> <http://www.familyfuneralhome.net/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=1461...>

>
> Richard was one of the true old-timers of talk.origins.
> He was noteworthy for many things. He provided some excellent

> research, compiling some nice work on piltdown manhttp://home.tiac.net/~cri_a/piltdown/piltdown.html

I'm crushed. Harter was the cleverest person around T.O. and the
greatest friend I never met.

Mitchell Coffey

[hersheyh]

On Saturday, June 9, 2012 2:50:36 PM UTC-4, Syamsu wrote:

> On Jun 9, 7:04 pm, prawnster <zweibro...@ymail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 9, 9:49 am, "g...@risky-biz.com" <gdguar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > [...]
> > > "Richard Harter" (real name), mocked (posthumously) by "prawnster".
> >
> > > Kinda says it all.
> >

> > It's easy to use one's real name when one is just mouthing the
> > expected au currant bromides, platitudes, and metaphysics of any given
> > generation.  Exhibit A: Richard Harter.  It's the reason some are
> > pushing to eliminate anonymity on the Internet: they want increased
> > conformity of expression and thought, and don't want dissenting,
> > skeptical, or diverse voices.  In other words, they're Stalinists.
> >

> > Mr. Harter had every chance to spar with me, and chose to do so just
> > once.  And what'd he produce?  A generic, unfunny, lame retort.  He
> > had nothing to offer.  Outside of his immediate family, he won't be
> > missed.
>

> He was very deluded about who he was as the owner of his choices, his
> soul. Richard was one of those people who ruined the game of life in
> society with his scientism. It's kind of unknown how many people he
> led into spiritual defilement. I would guess 90 or so. He is dead and
> gone and so will all the other evolutionists be dead and gone, unaware
> who they are as the owner of their choices.

So, of course, will all the creationists. I have yet to meet one who had
convincing evidence of his or her eternal life, be they Christian, Hindu,
or Buddhist. Lots of claims. Nonexistent evidence.

[hersheyh]

On Saturday, June 9, 2012 11:48:45 AM UTC-4, prawnster wrote:
> On Jun 9, 5:18 am, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > [...]
> > Like all cowards, you can run your yap at 90 MPH when the target of
> > your mental masturbation can not respond.
> >
>
> Mr. Harter was a lightweight. He had hundreds of chances to respond
> to me here on usernet and did so just once, churning out the unfunny
> and generic lame cited above. Mr. Harter had nothing interesting to
> say.

There are class acts, like Richard Harter, and then there is you.

On Saturday, June 9, 2012 11:48:45 AM UTC-4, prawnster wrote:
> On Jun 9, 5:18 am, Boikat <boi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > [...]
> > Like all cowards, you can run your yap at 90 MPH when the target of
> > your mental masturbation can not respond.
> >
>
> Mr. Harter was a lightweight. He had hundreds of chances to respond
> to me here on usernet and did so just once, churning out the unfunny
> and generic lame cited above. Mr. Harter had nothing interesting to
> say.

[Bob Casanova]

On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 19:56:53 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Craig Franck
<craigl...@gmail.com>:

>On 6/9/2012 7:18 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
>> On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 00:22:07 -0700 (PDT), the following
>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by prawnster
>> <zweib...@ymail.com>:

>>
>>> On Jun 8, 11:44 pm, Roger Shrubber<rog.shrubb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
>>>> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
>>>> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>>>>
>>>> talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.
>>>>
>>>

>>> It's rare that I encounter someone who makes me feel lucky to be me.
>>> Mr. Harter is one such man.
>>
>> Spoken like a True Christian(TM); Jesus would be proud of
>> you.
>
>I like Woody Allen's take better:
>
> "If Jesus came back and saw what's going on in his name, he'd
> never stop throwing up."

I like it, and it's so true it's scary. But I guess that's
the potential fate of anyone whose ideas can be hijacked by
those with a not-so-wonderful agenda.

Personally, I like:

"What would Jesus drive? He'd drive a pickup, like any other
subcontractor."
--

Bob C.

"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless

[Bob Casanova]

On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:36:52 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Glenn
<GlennS...@msn.com>:

You gained points and respect with your initial response
(for which I salute you); don't throw them away by reverting
to type.

[Bob Casanova]

On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 03:24:13 +0000 (UTC), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Paul J Gans
<gan...@panix.com>:

Pretty much. It was driven into us in boot camp and
reinforced constantly during our entire term of enlistment.

I suspect that Glenn's idea of "running from a fight" would
include the retreat from the Chosin Reservoir, since he
probably has no idea what a fighting withdrawal from a
numerically superior force consists of, or how difficult it
is to implement competently.

[Bob Casanova]

On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 22:14:22 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Glenn
<GlennS...@msn.com>:

Better answer, and assuming you're not prevaricating I
withdraw my comments in my other post in this thread.

[wiki trix]

On Jun 10, 2:57 pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:36:52 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in talk.origins, posted by Glenn

> <GlennShel...@msn.com>:

>
>
>
>
>
> >On Jun 9, 5:22 pm, Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
> >> Glenn <GlennShel...@msn.com> wrote:
> >> >On Jun 8, 11:44 pm, Roger Shrubber <rog.shrubb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
> >> >> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
> >> >> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>
> >> >"To all who have corresponded with Richard over the years.
> >> >March 18 Richard became very ill and I (Deb) his wife took him to
> >> >the Emergency Room.  Richard went through a very difficult month
> >> >in the ICU and then was taken off the ventilator and dialysis.
> >> >We then went to Dougherty Hospice House where he peacefully slipped
> >> >away April 20, 2012.
> >> >I don't know his newsgroup corresponders but I wanted you all to know
> >> >why he has quit corresponding."
> >> >http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.c/msg/c8d4acd3f49425b5?dmode...
> >> >Condolences to his wife and family. Farewell, Richard.
>
> >> Thank you for passing that on.  I'm saddened that he had a
> >> hard last month, but he, like almost all Marines, never
> >> ran from a fight.
> >Marines never run from a fight, they just advance in another
> >direction.
>
> You gained points and respect with your initial response
> (for which I salute you); don't throw them away by reverting
> to type.

I see nothing wrong in what he said.

[wiki trix]

On Jun 10, 3:03 pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 03:24:13 +0000 (UTC), the following
> appeared in talk.origins, posted by Paul J Gans
> <gan...@panix.com>:
>
>
>
>
>

No need for any idea of what a fighting withdrawal from a numerically
superior force consists of. All you need to know is the word "thug".

[Paul J Gans]

I'm really sorry about that, but IIRC there was little time
to put a Howlerfest together. There were only three of us
plus Harter. ;-(

[gdgu...@gmail.com]

On Jun 9, 1:04 pm, prawnster <zweibro...@ymail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 9, 9:49 am, "g...@risky-biz.com" <gdguar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > [...]
> > "Richard Harter" (real name), mocked (posthumously) by "prawnster".
>
> > Kinda says it all.
>
> It's easy to use one's real name when one is just mouthing the
> expected au currant bromides

a mild sedative with a fruity tang?

>, platitudes, and metaphysics of any given
> generation.  Exhibit A: Richard Harter.  It's the reason some are
> pushing to eliminate anonymity on the Internet: they want increased
> conformity of expression and thought, and don't want dissenting,
> skeptical, or diverse voices.  In other words, they're Stalinists.

I own few hammers. I'd say 4 claw hammers, 3 masonry hammers, a couple
of hand sledges and a few mallets. I use them for driving and removing
nails, chipping out brick and cinder block, disassembling old
furniture, "persuading" objects to move a little bit and sundry other
things. But they could also serve as deadly weapons, burglary aids and
handy implements to smash property, say temple windows.

Anonymity is a tool too; a tool that has been used by political
dissidents, and by assholes. More frequently the latter, I find.

[Paul J Gans]

If I may ask a personal question, are you on meds and do you
take them regularly?

[wiki trix]

On Jun 10, 3:41 pm, Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:

Not on any meds. Why do you ask?

[wiki trix]

On Jun 9, 5:50 am, Burkhard <b.scha...@ed.ac.uk> wrote:

> On Jun 9, 7:44 am, Roger Shrubber <rog.shrubb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
> > To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
> > glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>

> That's very sad news indeed, he was a quite remarkable individual, and
> I will miss his warm and witty presence on this NG- Hide quoted text -

I never recall reading any of his posts. I am sure that I have come
across them now and then. Just nothing seems to have stuck with me.
So I went to his web site to learn more about the legend. And yes, he
was quite a rather remarkable individual, as the following samples
would evidence:

Richard's Weight Chart
http://home.tiac.net/~cri/2004/weightchart.html

Letter to a hotel
http://home.tiac.net/~cri/2005/hotel.html

Going to the movies
http://home.tiac.net/~cri/2001/drivein.html

My father's tractor
http://home.tiac.net/~cri/2008/tractor.html

[Mitchell Coffey]

On Jun 10, 2:57 pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 17:36:52 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in talk.origins, posted by Glenn

> <GlennShel...@msn.com>:

>
>
>
>
>
> >On Jun 9, 5:22 pm, Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
> >> Glenn <GlennShel...@msn.com> wrote:
> >> >On Jun 8, 11:44 pm, Roger Shrubber <rog.shrubb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
> >> >> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
> >> >> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>
> >> >"To all who have corresponded with Richard over the years.
> >> >March 18 Richard became very ill and I (Deb) his wife took him to
> >> >the Emergency Room.  Richard went through a very difficult month
> >> >in the ICU and then was taken off the ventilator and dialysis.
> >> >We then went to Dougherty Hospice House where he peacefully slipped
> >> >away April 20, 2012.
> >> >I don't know his newsgroup corresponders but I wanted you all to know
> >> >why he has quit corresponding."
> >> >http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.c/msg/c8d4acd3f49425b5?dmode...
> >> >Condolences to his wife and family. Farewell, Richard.
>
> >> Thank you for passing that on.  I'm saddened that he had a
> >> hard last month, but he, like almost all Marines, never
> >> ran from a fight.
> >Marines never run from a fight, they just advance in another
> >direction.
>
> You gained points and respect with your initial response
> (for which I salute you); don't throw them away by reverting
> to type.

As far as I can tell, Glenn just repeated a joke Marines tell among
themselves.

Mitchell

[wiki trix]

Yes. I noticed that as well. Hyper-sensitivity... like only a nigger
can call a nigger a nigger.
Very stupid stuff...

[Paul J Gans]

[Paul J Gans]

Harter was much more active here some years ago. I think
that the monotonous ignorance of some of the folks who
post here wore him down.

Besides, he had other interests that took his time, which
included his recent marriage.

[Glenn]

On Jun 10, 12:03 pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 03:24:13 +0000 (UTC), the following
> appeared in talk.origins, posted by Paul J Gans
> <gan...@panix.com>:
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The rocking chair starting to squeak alot, Bob?

[wiki trix]

An opinion at odds with your own warrants medication? Do you think I
should be put in a psikhushka as well? You are scary dude... or
perhaps even a thug yourself, if you had the opportunity.

[Glenn]

A joke that isn't.

[Glenn]

On Jun 10, 12:03 pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 03:24:13 +0000 (UTC), the following
> appeared in talk.origins, posted by Paul J Gans
> <gan...@panix.com>:
>
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So what? I don't care about no stinkin numerical "superiority".

[Glenn]

So Marines are thugs? And stupid as well?

[wiki trix]

On Jun 10, 4:51 pm, Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:

Yes. The monotonous ignorance of some of the folks who post here wear
me down too. Time to post my weight chart online, I guess. Perhaps I
can also rummage around and find some old hotel bill that had some
error in it or something or other to post about. Or maybe I will write
up my thoughts on how itchy my armpits are now and then, or when my
dog last crapped. Monotonous ignorance on T.O. does that to me as
well.

[Glenn]

Perhaps that is why Harter got cross with Gans, although Gans answered
for his own (mis)understanding of what I said, instead of Harter's
attitude. If indeed you are implying that Marines are stupid, I
suggest that this is not the appropriate thread for it.

[Glenn]

On Jun 10, 1:51 pm, Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:

Seems Trixie is doing his imitation of Prawn. Personally, it is hard
for me to tell them apart.

[Glenn]

A "psikhushka"?? You must be a veritable international jet settin
playboy and brain sturgeon. Impressive, sir!

[jillery]

On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 12:03:08 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
wrote:

And brutal cold. And a commanding general blinded to the danger by
his earlier success. It's a wonder the Marines survived at all.

[Glenn]

Having trouble distinguishing reality? A couple pages from a website
are not Usenet posts.
And calling Marines stupid in a thread in rememberance of a long time
poster isn't exactly the opposite of monotonous ignorance. I'd rather
hear when your dog last crapped, or to read about Harter's Dad's
tractor. At least that was funny.

[prawnster]

On Jun 10, 2:01 pm, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:

> [...]

> Yes. The monotonous ignorance of some of the folks who post here wear
> me down too. Time to post my weight chart online, I guess. Perhaps I
> can also rummage around and find some old hotel bill that had some
> error in it or something or other to post about. Or maybe I will write
> up my thoughts on how itchy my armpits are now and then, or when my
> dog last crapped. Monotonous ignorance on T.O. does that to me as
> well.

LOL.

While the body is still warm and gradually assuming 72F, loved ones
will invariably kneejerkgraciously overestimate the stiff's abilities
and all-around brilliance. Their ardor will cool along with the
rapidly decomposing body, and rationality slowly returns and a true
assessment of his worth made. In Mr. Harter's case his contribution
to society falls into the bottom 5%, as his webpage jokingly and
disingenuously recognizes.

[Glenn]

Here's a better twist, said one psychopath to another.

[Roger Shrubber]

Roger Shrubber wrote:

[*Hemidactylus*]

On 06/09/2012 02:44 AM, Roger Shrubber wrote:
> Maybe this is old news but if it was reported here, I missed it.
> To steal from Richard's website, this post 'is best read with a
> glass of scotch', but break out the good stuff.
>
> talk.origins old timer Richard Harter passed away April 20th, 2012.
>

> <http://www.familyfuneralhome.net/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=1461087&fh_id=10936>

>
>
> Richard was one of the true old-timers of talk.origins.
> He was noteworthy for many things. He provided some excellent
> research, compiling some nice work on piltdown man
> http://home.tiac.net/~cri_a/piltdown/piltdown.html
>
> He offered a stellar clarity of thought that was coupled with
> equal talent in exposition.
>
> Mostly, I recall Richard's sense of humor.
>
> But it should also be noted that Richard was a poet. I close
> with a few of his poems here.
>
> -

> When a poster won't behave
> Put that poster in the grave.
> Kill him quick for life is short.
> Silence is the best retort.
>

> -
> I spent my youth on growing old
> To live a tale that now is told
> The years I spent, they were not lost
> Life itself was worth the cost.
>
> -
> In the fields of Hell where the grass grows high
> Are the graves of dreams allowed to die.
> A neglected grave with a fallen slate
> Bears the epitaph that tells their fate,
>
> I could have been, but I am not.
> I am the dream that you forgot.
>
> In our busy times we fail to choose
> To nourish dreams, which we then lose
> And the dreams we lose are left to lie
> In the fields of Hell where the grass grows high.
> Life itself was worth the cost.

Richard will be missed. He made intelligent and thoughtful contributions
to the group over the years and wasn't above having a little fun too. He
was the pun master. Future pun cascades will miss out on the potential
of his chiming in and showing us all how it's properly done.

[*Hemidactylus*]

Words of wisdom.