YECs.org - Young Earth Creationists - Young Earth Creation Science
Dr. Jason Gastrich
to compile the largest internet archive of young earth creation science
(YECS) links like articles, MP3s, videos, debates, etc. We need several
people to help us with this large project. If you would like to help,
please email us at ne...@jcsm.org.
Sincerely,
Jason
Steven J.
"Dr. Jason Gastrich" <ne...@jcsm.org> wrote in message
news:M9GVb.10883$ow4....@twister.socal.rr.com...
entirely surrendered the hope of finding *good* arguments, and actual
science, in support of young-earth creationism, that you have abandoned the
quest for quality and now seek mere quantity? Or are you unable to discern
the difference (not that, as far as YECism goes, there is much to discern)?
In any case, you might want to check
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/other-links.html#creationism; including
the much longer unabridged list, it may be the current largest set of YEC
links (so you know what you're competing with, at least).
>
> Sincerely,
> Jason
>
-- Steven J.
Bobby D. Bryant
If you limit yourself to creation "science", the problem won't be nearly
so large as you imagine.
--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
Andrew
Of course, I fully expect that you will link to some sites that
support the opposing arguments too, so a balanced view can be reached.
Notice that talkorigins.org does this by directly linking to loads of
creationist sites. I've yet to see a creationist side reciprocate,
here's hoping yours is the first. :)
Andrew
Dr. Jason Gastrich
Perhaps you can talk more atheist sites into posting links to Christian
sites. I visited three atheist sites tonight and none of them had links to
Christian (or creation) sites. They were http://atheistnetwork.com,
http://infidelguy.com, and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com. If you could
get them to post Christian links, then you'd be the first. Here's hoping
you're the first to convince them. ; )
Jason
Malachi
An outright admission that this is about religion and not about science.
Therion Ware
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:43:11 +0000 (UTC) in free.christians, Dr. Jason
Gastrich ("Dr. Jason Gastrich" <ne...@jcsm.org>) said, directing the
reply to free.christians
Why don't you try www.aboutjasongastrich.org
It's not complete, of course, but if anyone wants to contribute,
including you Jason, you're more than welcome.
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Dr. Jason Gastrich wrote:
$end your check$ to "Dr" Ga$trich.
By any chance, do you have a sicentific theory of creation anywhere on
your "largest internet archive of young-earth creation science" . . . .?
No?
Why not?
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Bobby D. Bryant
> Andrew wrote:
>> "Dr. Jason Gastrich" <ne...@jcsm.org> wrote in message
>> news:<M9GVb.10883$ow4....@twister.socal.rr.com>...
>>> JCSM has purchased a new domain name called http://yecs.org. We are
>>> going to compile the largest internet archive of young earth creation
>>> science (YECS) links like articles, MP3s, videos, debates, etc. We
>>> need several people to help us with this large project. If you would
>>> like to help, please email us at ne...@jcsm.org.
>>
>> Of course, I fully expect that you will link to some sites that support
>> the opposing arguments too, so a balanced view can be reached. Notice
>> that talkorigins.org does this by directly linking to loads of
>> creationist sites. I've yet to see a creationist side reciprocate,
>> here's hoping yours is the first. :)
>
> Perhaps you can talk more atheist sites into posting links to Christian
> sites. I visited three atheist sites tonight and none of them had links
> to Christian (or creation) sites. They were http://atheistnetwork.com,
> http://infidelguy.com, and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com. If you
> could get them to post Christian links, then you'd be the first. Here's
> hoping you're the first to convince them. ; )
What has atheism got to do with it?
Thore Schmechtig
...lies.
By the way, coward... I'm still waiting for you to answer my questions
regarding the babble's "inerrancy". May I assume that you admit to your
lie?
--
UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream "Persecution!"
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than be honest and admit the obvious
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't
have that right anyhow.
Mark VandeWettering
But there is no such thing as "young earth creation science".
Mark
> Sincerely,
> Jason
Mark VandeWettering
I thought your site was supposed to be about science, not religion.
Mark
> Jason
Ann Broomhead
> On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:43:11 +0000 (UTC) in free.christians, Dr. Jason
> Gastrich ("Dr. Jason Gastrich" <ne...@jcsm.org>) said, directing the
> reply to free.christians
> >
> >Perhaps you can talk more atheist sites into posting links to Christian
> >sites. I visited three atheist sites tonight and none of them had links to
> >Christian (or creation) sites. They were http://atheistnetwork.com,
> >http://infidelguy.com, and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com. If you could
> >get them to post Christian links, then you'd be the first. Here's hoping
> >you're the first to convince them. ; )
>
> Why don't you try www.aboutjasongastrich.org
>
> It's not complete, of course, but if anyone wants to contribute,
> including you Jason, you're more than welcome.
You should fix the word "Characterises".
A:R Pfusand
That which does not destroy us
has made its last mistake.
-- Unspoken motto of the pantope crew
Therion Ware
On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:23:14 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Ann Broomhead
(broo...@world.std.com (Ann Broomhead)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
>Therion Ware <autod...@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<u2ue20h1d2o2i2egg...@4ax.com>...
>> On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:43:11 +0000 (UTC) in free.christians, Dr. Jason
>> Gastrich ("Dr. Jason Gastrich" <ne...@jcsm.org>) said, directing the
>> reply to free.christians
>(snip of lead-in)
>> >
>> >Perhaps you can talk more atheist sites into posting links to Christian
>> >sites. I visited three atheist sites tonight and none of them had links to
>> >Christian (or creation) sites. They were http://atheistnetwork.com,
>> >http://infidelguy.com, and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com. If you could
>> >get them to post Christian links, then you'd be the first. Here's hoping
>> >you're the first to convince them. ; )
>>
>> Why don't you try www.aboutjasongastrich.org
>>
>> It's not complete, of course, but if anyone wants to contribute,
>> including you Jason, you're more than welcome.
>
>You should fix the word "Characterises".
The Queen and I are quite happy without the zeds!
Harlequin
> Perhaps you can talk more atheist sites into posting links to
> Christian sites. I visited three atheist sites tonight and none of
> them had links to Christian (or creation) sites. They were
> http://atheistnetwork.com, http://infidelguy.com, and
> http://skepticsannotatedbible.com. If you could get them to post
> Christian links, then you'd be the first. Here's hoping you're the
> first to convince them. ; )
>
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John Burton
news:Xns948AB2AF87E26u...@68.12.19.6...
> This really deserves a Chez Watt nomination:
>
> > Perhaps you can talk more atheist sites into posting links to
> > Christian sites. I visited three atheist sites tonight and none of
> > them had links to Christian (or creation) sites. They were
> > http://atheistnetwork.com, http://infidelguy.com, and
> > http://skepticsannotatedbible.com. If you could get them to post
> > Christian links, then you'd be the first. Here's hoping you're the
> > first to convince them. ; )
> >
Not sure why this is Chez Wattish, but just for the record, there are links
to religious sites on all three of the sites noted above (maybe *that* makes
in CW-ish?):
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/links.html (several categories)
http://atheistnetwork.com/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=viewlink&cid=10
http://www.infidelguy.com/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=viewlink&cid=8
John
Sven Silow
bin raitim dispela tingting:
OK, I'll help you out! Here is the complete code for your site:
<HTML>
<TITLE>The largest internet archive of young earth creation
science</TITLE>
<BODY></BODY>
</HTML>
HTH
Sven
Adam Marczyk
I can't speak for the first two sites, but the Skeptic's Annotated Bible
does indeed have links to Christian sites, and quite prominently too.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/links.html
You must not have looked very hard not to find them. However, I trust you
will apologize for your mistaken statement and issue a correction
forthwith.
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David
> Dr. Jason Gastrich <ne...@jcsm.org> wrote in message
> >> Of course, I fully expect that you will link to some sites that
> >> support the opposing arguments too, so a balanced view can be reached.
> >> Notice that talkorigins.org does this by directly linking to loads of
> >> creationist sites. I've yet to see a creationist side reciprocate,
> >> here's hoping yours is the first. :)
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >
> > Perhaps you can talk more atheist sites into posting links to Christian
> > sites. I visited three atheist sites tonight and none of them had links
> > to Christian (or creation) sites. They were http://atheistnetwork.com,
> > http://infidelguy.com, and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com. If you
> > could get them to post Christian links, then you'd be the first. Here's
> > hoping you're the first to convince them. ; )
>
> I can't speak for the first two sites, but the Skeptic's Annotated Bible
> does indeed have links to Christian sites, and quite prominently too.
>
> http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/links.html
>
> You must not have looked very hard not to find them. However, I trust you
> will apologize for your mistaken statement and issue a correction
> forthwith.
True to form Jason displays a lack of scholarship worthy of a monkey.
It really makes you wonder how superficial his book and web site must
really be. Actually, that's rhetorical, it's really quite obvious.
David
Tom McDonald
>
> On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:23:14 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Ann Broomhead
> (broo...@world.std.com (Ann Broomhead)) said, directing the reply to
> alt.atheism
>
>
>
>
>>Therion Ware <autod...@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message news:<u2ue20h1d2o2i2egg...@4ax.com>...
>>
>>>On Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:43:11 +0000 (UTC) in free.christians, Dr. Jason
>>>Gastrich ("Dr. Jason Gastrich" <ne...@jcsm.org>) said, directing the
>>>reply to free.christians
>>
>>(snip of lead-in)
>>
>>>>Perhaps you can talk more atheist sites into posting links to Christian
>>>>sites. I visited three atheist sites tonight and none of them had links to
>>>>Christian (or creation) sites. They were http://atheistnetwork.com,
>>>>http://infidelguy.com, and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com. If you could
>>>>get them to post Christian links, then you'd be the first. Here's hoping
>>>>you're the first to convince them. ; )
>>>
>>>Why don't you try www.aboutjasongastrich.org
>>>
>>>It's not complete, of course, but if anyone wants to contribute,
>>>including you Jason, you're more than welcome.
>>
>>You should fix the word "Characterises".
>
>
> The Queen and I are quite happy without the zeds!
>
Therion,
I'm more concerned with the capital "C". I first read that as a
name: Jason Characterises. Now, perhaps he does (well, he very
often does--usually unfairly); but I wouldn't like to name him that.
Tom McDonald
Eros
> JCSM has purchased a new domain name called http://yecs.org. We are going
> to compile the largest internet archive of young earth creation science
Jason, if I go there when its finished, will I be able to find a
detailed scientific theory of creation... or just links to the same
old (and I do mean old) mixture of pseudo-scientific misconceptions,
out-of-context quotes and religious apologetics?
I think Duane Gish summed up your problem rather nicely;-
"We do not know how the creator created, what processes He used, for
He used processes which are not now operating in the natural universe.
This is why we refer to creation as Special Creation. We cannot
discover by scientific investigation anything about the creative
processes used by the creator. (Duane Gish, Creation Life Publishers,
1979, p. 40.)
> (YECS) links like articles, MP3s, videos, debates, etc. We need several
> people to help us with this large project. If you would like to help,
> please email us at ne...@jcsm.org.
>
> Sincerely,
> Jason
EROS.
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"Those who believe without reason cannot be convinced by reason."
Mike Painter
""Rev Dr" Lenny Flank" <lflank...@ij.net> wrote in message
news:40278...@corp.newsgroups.com...
>
>
> Dr. Jason Gastrich wrote:
>
> > JCSM has purchased a new domain name called http://yecs.org. We are
going
> > to compile the largest internet archive of young earth creation science
> > (YECS) links like articles, MP3s, videos, debates, etc. We need several
> > people to help us with this large project. If you would like to help,
> > please email us at ne...@jcsm.org.
> >
I wonder how far down he will hide the disclaimer?
1. No matter what the evidence says, no matter how solid the theory is, if
it does not agree with the bible, it is wrong.
2. And you don't have to show how it is wrong.
3. Unless you agree with what I say the bible says, you are wrong.
I also wonder if he will link to sites that claim a geocentric universe?
Those sites have more science on their side.
The modern YEC can't tell us how kinds developed or got to their final
destination leaving no record at all, but the geocentric people can tell you
exactly when Mars will go retrograde at any point in time.
Harlequin
news:c09a0q$c8k$1...@terabinaries.xmission.com:
> "Harlequin" <use...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns948AB2AF87E26u...@68.12.19.6...
>> This really deserves a Chez Watt nomination:
>>
>> > Perhaps you can talk more atheist sites into posting links to
>> > Christian sites. I visited three atheist sites tonight and none of
>> > them had links to Christian (or creation) sites. They were
>> > http://atheistnetwork.com, http://infidelguy.com, and
>> > http://skepticsannotatedbible.com. If you could get them to post
>> > Christian links, then you'd be the first. Here's hoping you're the
>> > first to convince them. ; )
>> >
>
> Not sure why this is Chez Wattish,
Because generally it is the fundamentalists that are
afraid to link to sites that oppose them.
> but just for the record, there are
> links to religious sites on all three of the sites noted above (maybe
> *that* makes in CW-ish?):
>
> http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/links.html (several categories)
>
> http://atheistnetwork.com/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=viewlink&cid=
> 10
>
> http://www.infidelguy.com/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=viewlink&cid=
> 8
Not surprised in the least.
Harlequin
> "Harlequin" <use...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns948AB2AF87E26u...@68.12.19.6...
>> This really deserves a Chez Watt nomination:
>>
>> > Perhaps you can talk more atheist sites into posting links to
>> > Christian sites. I visited three atheist sites tonight and none of
>> > them had links to Christian (or creation) sites. They were
>> > http://atheistnetwork.com, http://infidelguy.com, and
>> > http://skepticsannotatedbible.com. If you could get them to post
>> > Christian links, then you'd be the first. Here's hoping you're the
>> > first to convince them. ; )
>> >
>
> Not sure why this is Chez Wattish,
Because generally it is the fundamentalists that are
afraid to link to sites that oppose them.
> but just for the record, there are
> links to religious sites on all three of the sites noted above (maybe
> *that* makes in CW-ish?):
>
> http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/links.html (several categories)
>
> http://atheistnetwork.com/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=viewlink&cid=
> 10
>
> http://www.infidelguy.com/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=viewlink&cid=
> 8
Not surprised in the least.
Phillip Brown
Since it is actual *science* behind young earth creation science you are
looking for, I can save you the time and effort. Here are all the links
to young earth creation *science*
There. Done.
--
phillip brown
Harlequin
news:40282b1b...@news.algonet.se:
How about:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" >
<title>The largest internet archive of
young earth creation science</title>
<meta name="description"
content="A complete list of the evidence for creationism" >
<meta name="keywords"
content="diploma mill, quote mining, fallacies" >
<meta name="classification" content="dogmatic religion" >
</head>
<body>
<h1>Complete list of evidence for creationism</h1>
<ul><li></li></ul>
</body>
</html>
Ready to upload.
R.Schenck
<ne...@jcsm.org> wrote:
>JCSM has purchased a new domain name called http://yecs.org. We are going
>to compile the largest internet archive of young earth creation science
>(YECS) links like articles, MP3s, videos, debates, etc. We need several
>people to help us with this large project. If you would like to help,
>please email us at ne...@jcsm.org.
>
>Sincerely,
>Jason
haha
good luck. are you going to post arguements that have been refuted?
is it going to present a scientific theory of YECism?
David Jensen
"R.Schenck" <nygdan_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in
<r6og20dj97nj3aqt2...@4ax.com>:
It will contain all of the scientific evidence for YEC, so it will be a
blank page
R.Schenck
<ne...@jcsm.org> wrote:
>Andrew wrote:
>> "Dr. Jason Gastrich" <ne...@jcsm.org> wrote in message
>> news:<M9GVb.10883$ow4....@twister.socal.rr.com>...
>>> JCSM has purchased a new domain name called http://yecs.org. We are
>>> going to compile the largest internet archive of young earth
>>> creation science (YECS) links like articles, MP3s, videos, debates,
>>> etc. We need several people to help us with this large project. If
>>> you would like to help, please email us at ne...@jcsm.org.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Jason
>>
>> Of course, I fully expect that you will link to some sites that
>> support the opposing arguments too, so a balanced view can be reached.
>> Notice that talkorigins.org does this by directly linking to loads of
>> creationist sites. I've yet to see a creationist side reciprocate,
>> here's hoping yours is the first. :)
>>
>> Andrew
>
>Perhaps you can talk more atheist sites into posting links to Christian
>sites. I visited three atheist sites tonight and none of them had links to
>Christian (or creation) sites. They were http://atheistnetwork.com,
>http://infidelguy.com, and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com. If you could
>get them to post Christian links, then you'd be the first. Here's hoping
>you're the first to convince them. ; )
>
>Jason
well, just to be clear, there other sites aren't strictly speaking,
science sites, not even insofar as talkorigins is. and an atheist
site cant really be expected to have links to christian sites,
anymore than christian sites should have links to atheist, or heck
even satanic sites. but the point here is that you're presenting what
you want to be a scientific site, so it might be prudent to include a
link to talk.orgins, or some other pro-evolution site. of course its
not neccessary, but if you have actual evidence and actual rational
arguements, then presenting a dissenting opinion can't really be that
damaging. just my 2 cents anyways.
Therion Ware
On Tue, 10 Feb 2004 01:48:21 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, Tom McDonald
(Tom McDonald <tmcdon...@nohormelcharter.net>) said, directing the
reply to alt.atheism
Now that's fair enough, Corrected, and probably damned my chance of a
knighthood....
Sven Silow
dispela tingting:
To make it really extensive one could add:
<h1>Complete list of ongoing scientific research</h1>
<ul><li></li></ul>
<h1>Complete list of publications in peer reviewed scientific
press</h1>
<ul><li></li></ul>
<h1>The scientific theory of creation</h1>
<h2>Chapter 1</h2>
<h2>Chapter 2</h2>
<h2>References</h2>
<br><hr><br>
<b><font size=+5 color="#FF0000">
<blink>Here is the link for donations:</blink>
<a target="_blank" href="http://5.jcsm.org">http://5.jcsm.org</a>.
</font></b>
<br><hr><br>
<b><a href="mailto:ja...@yecs.org">"Dr." Jason Gastrich</a>, "B.A.",
"M.A.", "Th.D."...</b>
Sven
Severian
<ne...@jcsm.org> wrote:
>Andrew wrote:
>> "Dr. Jason Gastrich" <ne...@jcsm.org> wrote in message
>> news:<M9GVb.10883$ow4....@twister.socal.rr.com>...
>>> JCSM has purchased a new domain name called http://yecs.org. We are
>>> going to compile the largest internet archive of young earth
>>> creation science (YECS) links like articles, MP3s, videos, debates,
>>> etc. We need several people to help us with this large project. If
>>> you would like to help, please email us at ne...@jcsm.org.
>>>
>> Of course, I fully expect that you will link to some sites that
>> support the opposing arguments too, so a balanced view can be reached.
>> Notice that talkorigins.org does this by directly linking to loads of
>> creationist sites. I've yet to see a creationist side reciprocate,
>> here's hoping yours is the first. :)
>
>Perhaps you can talk more atheist sites into posting links to Christian
>sites. I visited three atheist sites tonight and none of them had links to
>Christian (or creation) sites. They were http://atheistnetwork.com,
>http://infidelguy.com, and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com. If you could
>get them to post Christian links, then you'd be the first. Here's hoping
>you're the first to convince them. ; )
I don't understand: how is creationism vs. evolution synonymous with
Christianity vs. atheism? Both sides of the analogy fall over if you
think about them.
Regardless, if I ran an atheist site, I would certainly link to
Christian sites -- for laughs and grins. Y'all are some silly people,
willing to believe anything your authoritative masters and
biblidolators say you should believe! It's a miracle!
--
Sev
Andrew
> Andrew wrote:
> > "Dr. Jason Gastrich" <ne...@jcsm.org> wrote in message
> > news:<M9GVb.10883$ow4....@twister.socal.rr.com>...
> >> JCSM has purchased a new domain name called http://yecs.org. We are
> >> going to compile the largest internet archive of young earth
> >> creation science (YECS) links like articles, MP3s, videos, debates,
> >> etc. We need several people to help us with this large project. If
> >> you would like to help, please email us at ne...@jcsm.org.
> >>
> >> Jason
> >
> > Of course, I fully expect that you will link to some sites that
> > support the opposing arguments too, so a balanced view can be reached.
> > Notice that talkorigins.org does this by directly linking to loads of
> > creationist sites. I've yet to see a creationist side reciprocate,
> > here's hoping yours is the first. :)
> >
>
> Perhaps you can talk more atheist sites into posting links to Christian
> sites. I visited three atheist sites tonight and none of them had links to
> Christian (or creation) sites. They were http://atheistnetwork.com,
> http://infidelguy.com, and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com. If you could
> get them to post Christian links, then you'd be the first. Here's hoping
> you're the first to convince them. ; )
Point 1) I'm not an atheist and I'm not interested in atheist sites
purporting to push objectives that cannot be studied by science. The
existence of God is a notion that exists outside of scientific
boundaries. Talkorigins is not an atheist site, rather it is a
*scientific resource* that makes no claims about the
existence/non-existence of God. Unless I'm mistaken, I thought you
were intending your site to be a "scientific" resource?
Point 2) Irrespective of point 1, the sites you mention *do* link to
other Christian sites (see other posts in this thread for more info).
It took me a whole ten seconds to find them! With that in mind, will
you now retract your claim in public?
It is a sure sign of a weak argument when one side attempts to
"protect" its readership from "undesirable" opposing points of view.
All creationist sites that I've seen do this. This was the first thing
that alerted my creationist brain a few years ago and led me on the
long path to reject creationism. I was hoping that you would be first
to break the mould. Otherwise, your site will be merely a rehash of
AIG and you might as well go and volunteer your services over there
instead of reinventing the wheel.
Andrew
Andrew
It's even more silly when you realise that the sites he quoted *do*
link to Christian pages!! So not only is his analogy broken, it's also
a flat out lie!
D'oh! ;)
Andrew
Rob Naylor
"Dr. Jason Gastrich" <ne...@jcsm.org> wrote in message
news:LoKVb.10921$ow4....@twister.socal.rr.com...
> Perhaps you can talk more atheist sites into posting links to Christian
> sites. I visited three atheist sites tonight and none of them had links
to
> Christian (or creation) sites. They were http://atheistnetwork.com,
> http://infidelguy.com, and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com. If you
could
> get them to post Christian links, then you'd be the first. Here's hoping
> you're the first to convince them. ; )
>
> Jason
Jason, you can't have been looking very thoroughly ( in the same way that
you don't look very thoroughly into the easily disproven claims of Hovind
and Ham). There are so many links on the Skeptics annotated bible site that
I just can't sumon up the energy to go through them (though there are
headings which give the definite impression that they'll link to Christian
sites), but on the other 2 sites there certainly *are* links to Christian
sites:
http://atheistnetwork.com/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=viewlink&cid=10
http://www.infidelguy.com/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=viewlink&cid=8
I hope that you'll be big enough to acknowledge your error here.
Rob
.
Rob Naylor
"R.Schenck" <nygdan_mo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ujog20pp9tnppitl2...@4ax.com...
> science sites, not even insofar as talkorigins is. and an atheist
> site cant really be expected to have links to christian sites,
> anymore than christian sites should have links to atheist, or heck
> even satanic sites. but the point here is that you're presenting what
> you want to be a scientific site, so it might be prudent to include a
> link to talk.orgins, or some other pro-evolution site. of course its
> not neccessary, but if you have actual evidence and actual rational
> arguements, then presenting a dissenting opinion can't really be that
> damaging. just my 2 cents anyways.
as not having links to Christian sites *do* have them. In my years of
looking at religious philosophies, one thing has always stoofd out: the more
"freethinking" and humanist sites almost always tend to link to sites giving
the opposing arguments, whereas fundamentalist Christian sites almost never
do.
Rob
.
harvest dancer
> >> JCSM has purchased a new domain name called http://yecs.org. We are
> >> going to compile the largest internet archive of young earth
> >> creation science (YECS) links like articles, MP3s, videos, debates,
> >> etc. We need several people to help us with this large project. If
> >> you would like to help, please email us at ne...@jcsm.org.
> >>
> >> Jason
> >
> > Of course, I fully expect that you will link to some sites that
> > support the opposing arguments too, so a balanced view can be reached.
> > Notice that talkorigins.org does this by directly linking to loads of
> > creationist sites. I've yet to see a creationist side reciprocate,
> > here's hoping yours is the first. :)
> >
>
> Perhaps you can talk more atheist sites into posting links to Christian
> sites. I visited three atheist sites tonight and none of them had links to
> Christian (or creation) sites. They were http://atheistnetwork.com,
> http://infidelguy.com, and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com. If you could
> get them to post Christian links, then you'd be the first. Here's hoping
> you're the first to convince them. ; )
>
> Jason
Perhaps you can talk more about why you changed topic from evolution to atheism.
Jason, the good one.
Andrew Arensburger
> I can't speak for the first two sites, but the Skeptic's Annotated Bible
> does indeed have links to Christian sites, and quite prominently too.
Ah, but are they links to Jason's sites? If not, then they're
not links to True Christian (tm) sites.
--
Andrew Arensburger, Systems guy University of Maryland
arensb.no-...@umd.edu Office of Information Technology
Never mind the star, just get those camels off my lawn!
Ernest Major
Gastrich <ne...@jcsm.org> writes
>
>Perhaps you can talk more atheist sites into posting links to Christian
>sites. I visited three atheist sites tonight and none of them had links to
>Christian (or creation) sites. They were http://atheistnetwork.com,
>http://infidelguy.com, and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com. If you could
>get them to post Christian links, then you'd be the first. Here's hoping
>you're the first to convince them. ; )
>
minutes work to find the following.
Theistic Websites listing at Atheist Network
<URL:http://atheistnetwork.com/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=viewlink&
cid=10>
Theism links at Infidel Guy
<URL:http://www.infidelguy.com/modules.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=viewlink&
cid=8>
Links page at Skeptics Annotated Bible, including links to several
Christian sites.
<URL:http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/links.html>
--
alias Ernest Major
harvest dancer
Funny story. I visited his web site. "Dr" Gastrich knows less about
his religion than I, a pagan, know. If "Dr" Gastrich wants to know
about Christiainity, he should ask me, a Pagan.
Jason, the good one.
David Jensen
>>> JCSM has purchased a new domain name called http://yecs.org. We are
>>> going to compile the largest internet archive of young earth
>>> creation science (YECS) links like articles, MP3s, videos, debates,
>>> etc. We need several people to help us with this large project. If
>>> you would like to help, please email us at ne...@jcsm.org.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Jason
>>
>> support the opposing arguments too, so a balanced view can be reached.
>> Notice that talkorigins.org does this by directly linking to loads of
>> creationist sites. I've yet to see a creationist side reciprocate,
>> here's hoping yours is the first. :)
>>
>> Andrew
>
>Perhaps you can talk more atheist sites into posting links to Christian
>sites. I visited three atheist sites tonight and none of them had links to
>Christian (or creation) sites. They were http://atheistnetwork.com,
>http://infidelguy.com, and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com. If you could
>get them to post Christian links, then you'd be the first. Here's hoping
>you're the first to convince them. ; )
There are many links to false teachings of science in the science
advocacy places like talkorigins.org, where are your links to the sites
that show that your site is full of documented errors about science?
Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.
>pois...@sdd.dart.se (Sven Silow) wrote in
>news:40282b1b...@news.algonet.se:
>
>> Insait long talk.origins, "Dr. Jason Gastrich" <ne...@jcsm.org> em i
>> bin raitim dispela tingting:
>>
>>>JCSM has purchased a new domain name called http://yecs.org. We are
>>>going to compile the largest internet archive of young earth creation
>>>science (YECS) links like articles, MP3s, videos, debates, etc. We
>>>need several people to help us with this large project. If you would
>>>like to help, please email us at ne...@jcsm.org.
>>
>> OK, I'll help you out! Here is the complete code for your site:
>>
>> <HTML>
>> <TITLE>The largest internet archive of young earth creation
>> science</TITLE>
>> <BODY></BODY>
>> </HTML>
>
>How about:
>
><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
[SNIP]
There are no transitionals!
--
Wayne D. Hoxsie Jr.
SIUE Dept. of Biological Sciences
who...@siue.edu
PGP Key ID 138BCEE1
Harlequin
news:slrnc2ii7a.l...@hoxnet.com:
[snip]
>>How about:
>>
>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Strict//EN"
>
> [SNIP]
>
> There are no transitionals!
You are right. "Dr." Jason does not believe in transitions.
So he should use:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">
Appropriate changes in the code that Sven and I
have made will need to be made.
Harlequin
[snip]
> To make it really extensive one could add:
>
> <h1>Complete list of ongoing scientific research</h1>
> <ul><li></li></ul>
>
> <h1>Complete list of publications in peer reviewed scientific
> press</h1>
> <ul><li></li></ul>
>
> <h1>The scientific theory of creation</h1>
> <h2>Chapter 1</h2>
> <h2>Chapter 2</h2>
> <h2>References</h2>
Nice and quick reading.
> <br><hr><br>
>
> <b><font size=+5 color="#FF0000">
> <blink>Here is the link for donations:</blink>
> <a target="_blank" href="http://5.jcsm.org">http://5.jcsm.org</a>.
> </font></b>
Now this is outright evil. Though Jason would probably use
<font size="+6"..." since that is the max value.
Is Jason so unholy to use the annoying <blink> which is also
banned by the net gods at the W3C? ;-)
Dr. Jason Gastrich
Oops. I suppose I was mistaken. IG has a couple links to Christian sites.
AN has exactly two. And SAB has a few scattered in between the
non-Christian sites.
Please don't act like the Christian links are anywhere close to as abundant
as atheist and non-Christian links on their pages. If any of those sites
aimed at being even-handed, they have failed. The non-Christian to
Christian links ratio is highly in the atheists' favor.
JG
Dana Tweedy
snipping
>
> Oops. I suppose I was mistaken. IG has a couple links to Christian
sites.
> AN has exactly two. And SAB has a few scattered in between the
> non-Christian sites.
>
> Please don't act like the Christian links are anywhere close to as
abundant
> as atheist and non-Christian links on their pages. If any of those sites
> aimed at being even-handed, they have failed. The non-Christian to
> Christian links ratio is highly in the atheists' favor.
Be that as it may, Jason, what does that have to do with placing links to
genuine scientific (I.e. non Creationist) sites within your YEC pages?
The original question was, will your YEC page contain links to genuine
scientific sites, or just link to other YEC apologist sites? The T.O.
website gives ample links to YEC, and OEC sites, so one may compare the
quality of the arguments presented there.
Certianly you are not conflating mainstream science with atheism, are you?
Certianly you know that such a position is false, and you don't wish to ally
yourself with any more falsehoods, do you?
DJT
Sven Silow
dispela tingting:
>> <b><font size=+5 color="#FF0000">
>> <blink>Here is the link for donations:</blink>
>> <a target="_blank" href="http://5.jcsm.org">http://5.jcsm.org</a>.
>> </font></b>
>
>Now this is outright evil. Though Jason would probably use
><font size="+6"..." since that is the max value.
>Is Jason so unholy to use the annoying <blink> which is also
>banned by the net gods at the W3C? ;-)
Well, *that* is a rhetoric question!
At least I didn't write it in all caps underlined, and also it only
occured once on the whole page (you would even have to scroll down to
see it if you have a small display). Further I ask you to especially
note that there were NO popup menus, and not even scrolling text in
the status-bar. And you call me *evil*?
Sven
Sven Silow
dispela tingting:
>> <h1>The scientific theory of creation</h1>
>> <h2>Chapter 1</h2>
>> <h2>Chapter 2</h2>
>> <h2>References</h2>
>
>Nice and quick reading.
Only because I skipped the foreword.
Sven
Dr. Jason Gastrich
> The original question was, will your YEC page contain links to genuine
> scientific sites, or just link to other YEC apologist sites?
Nope. The original question was, "Would someone like to help me make
http://yecs.org the biggest archive of young earth creationist data?" This
is why I have passed on a number of questions that have nothing to do with
my question. Right now, I'm looking for helpers; not lots of questions.
First things first. We'll get the YECs site up and running, then consider
adding opposing links.
Sincerely,
Jason
Dana Tweedy
> Dana Tweedy wrote:
>
> > The original question was, will your YEC page contain links to genuine
> > scientific sites, or just link to other YEC apologist sites?
>
> Nope. The original question was, "Would someone like to help me make
> http://yecs.org the biggest archive of young earth creationist data?"
It's quite easy to produce an archive of young earth creationists data.
There is none.
> This
> is why I have passed on a number of questions that have nothing to do with
> my question. Right now, I'm looking for helpers; not lots of questions.
Why do you need helpers to catalog nothing?
> First things first. We'll get the YECs site up and running, then consider
> adding opposing links.
Will you be eschewing the usual out of context quotations ?
DJT
Dr. Jason Gastrich
> "Dr. Jason Gastrich" <ne...@jcsm.org> wrote in message
> news:2GjWb.550$Le2...@twister.socal.rr.com...
>> Dana Tweedy wrote:
>>
>>> The original question was, will your YEC page contain links to
>>> genuine scientific sites, or just link to other YEC apologist sites?
>>
>> Nope. The original question was, "Would someone like to help me make
>> http://yecs.org the biggest archive of young earth creationist data?"
>
> It's quite easy to produce an archive of young earth creationists
> data. There is none.
Haha. Then perhaps you shouldn't waste your time with this thread.
Jason
Richard Forrest
> Perhaps you can talk more atheist sites into posting links to Christian
> sites. I visited three atheist sites tonight and none of them had links to
> Christian (or creation) sites. They were http://atheistnetwork.com,
> http://infidelguy.com, and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com. If you could
> get them to post Christian links, then you'd be the first. Here's hoping
> you're the first to convince them. ; )
>
> Jason
Why do you make a false dichotomy between 'atheist' sites and
'christian' sites? The vast majority of Christians in the world find
no problem in reconciling their faith with science, and accept
evolution as sound science. The true dichotonmy is between science and
ignorance.
Or do you wish to perpetrate the idea that it is impossible to be a
Christian and believe that evolution occured?
RF
Dean Chesterman
Dr. Jason Gastrich wrote:
And since you will have trouble finding any "data" that supports YEC,
you will have trouble getting your site up thus we can expect to never
see opposing links.
Dean Chesterman
Matt Silberstein
Gastrich" <ne...@jcsm.org>:
[snip]
>Oops. I suppose I was mistaken.
Any idea how you could make that mistake? I found the links on
the first website you gave in about 30 seconds.
> IG has a couple links to Christian sites.
>AN has exactly two. And SAB has a few scattered in between the
>non-Christian sites.
Is Christianity the only alternative to atheism?
>Please don't act like the Christian links are anywhere close to as abundant
>as atheist and non-Christian links on their pages. If any of those sites
>aimed at being even-handed, they have failed. The non-Christian to
>Christian links ratio is highly in the atheists' favor.
I assume from this that you will have as many links to
non-Christian sites as you will to Christian sites. And you will
complain if other Christian sites don't do the same. Certainly we
don't want one standard for atheists and one for Christians. (Or,
rather, we should want Christians held to a higher standard.)
--
Matt Silberstein
I want to be different, I just don't want to change.
Dana Tweedy
It's my time to waste. So, why are *you* bothering to put together such an
archive, when there is no evidence to support YEC? The only thing you will
find is misguided and fraudlent attempts to denigrate real science.
As I said before, certainly you don't want to associate yourself with
those who would deceive, do you?
DJT
David Wise
> JCSM has purchased a new domain name called http://yecs.org. We are going
> to compile the largest internet archive of young earth creation science
> (YECS) links like articles, MP3s, videos, debates, etc. We need several
> people to help us with this large project. If you would like to help,
> please email us at ne...@jcsm.org.
>
> Jason
I generally agree that the last thing we need is for yet another pile
of fallacious rubbish (which, quite honestly, "creation science"
claims are) to be dumped on us in cyberspace. At least a Black Forest
Misthaufe (manure pile, which are traditionally displayed prominently
in the front of the farm) will be put to very good use as fertilizer;
all that such a collection of "creation science" claims will do will
be to poison the mind and the soul and to mislead Christians to sinful
ways for which they will be staunchly unrepentent.
However, if done right, such a collection could serve a useful
purpose. But in order to do so, YOU must ensure or attempt the
following:
1. Research the claims:
a. Where do they come from?
Creationist claims are very much like urban legends. They circulate
about, get told and retold by one creationist after another, and keep
popping up as "authoritative" assertions in countless creationists
books, tracts, and articles. But what is the primary source of those
claims? Who first put forth that claim and in what publication?
For example, we have the infamous claim (that you have recently
back-pedelled on) about leap seconds meaning that the earth's rotation
is slowing down about one second per year every couple years (the
truth is that the rate has been directly measured to be about 2
milliseconds per day every 100 years). The current most popular
vector of this claim appears to be Kent Hovind. But where did that
claim come from? As I found when I researched it for my response to
QuestionEvolution.com (read it at
http://www.geocities.com/chastity403/questionevolution/solarsystem.html
), Hovind got it from Huse, who got it from Wysong, who posted
"primary sources" for that claim. However, it appears to have not
originated from Wysong, though Wysong had apparently added to it,
because we also find Walter Brown having published it two years before
Wysong. So it appears that Walter Brown originated it, though he no
longer uses it.
b. Where does it appear?
Basic bibliography work: where did you find the claim and where can
we go to look it up? Basic scholarship.
c. What are the variants?
As these claims get passed along, they change. Track the evolution of
a particular claim -- there was a Scientific American article last
year about tracking and tracing the spread and evolution of urban
legends by the changes that occur in them.
d. If they claim to be based on a scientific study, then cite that
source.
Part of this would be to research a claim back to a creationist source
that cites a scientific source. For example, in the leap-second claim
mentioned above, from Hovind we have absolutely no idea where he got
that rate of rotational decelleration from nor his calculations about
the consequences of that rate; all we get are conclusions and nothing
about how those conclusions were reached. It is only by researching
back to the original claim that we have any chance of seeing the basis
for that claim.
Of course, in many cases those "scientific sources" simply do not
exist. An infamous example is Gish's "Bullfrog protein" claim in
which he insisted that he had a scientific source and promised to
provide it, but never kept his promise. It turns out that his source
was a joke that he had overheard (seriously! --
http://members.aol.com/dwise1/cre_ev/bullfrog.html ). So where the
source mentioned cannot be found, that must be stated.
e. What is the history of this claim? Has it been refuted or
retracted?
This will address a key problem with "creation science". There is a
history to these claims that most "creation science" opponents know
and most creationists do not know. This causes very serious problems
for creationists trying to use these claims because they will get shot
down in flames (refer to the Answers in Genesis commentary, "What
About Carl Baugh?", reposted at
http://members.aol.com/Paluxy2/whatbau.htm ). The reason for us
knowing much more than the creationists do is that creationists do not
last long -- if they are honest and seeking the truth, that is; the
dishonest ones more highly practiced in self-deception do last much
longer -- because the facts and the evidence are completely contrary
to their position, whereas the "creation science" opponents tend to
last much longer because they DO deal directly and honestly with the
facts and the evidence and they ARE much more apt to seek out the
truth. Plus, new generations of creationists coming up from the
schools and from recent conversion see these same decades-old recycled
claims and think that they are brand-new and sound, not knowing that
in some cases even their originators had disowned them. Those new
creationists have a need to know the history of a claim before they
try to use it.
These entries should also include references to any retractions or
refutations of the claims in question.
These are just some ideas of what your site will need to include in
order for it to serve a useful purpose.
lizzard woman
news:ad30b67a.04021...@posting.google.com...
| "Dr. Jason Gastrich" <ne...@jcsm.org> wrote in message
news:<M9GVb.10883$ow4....@twister.socal.rr.com>...
| > JCSM has purchased a new domain name called http://yecs.org. We are
going
| > to compile the largest internet archive of young earth creation science
| > (YECS) links like articles, MP3s, videos, debates, etc. We need several
| > people to help us with this large project. If you would like to help,
| > please email us at ne...@jcsm.org.
| >
| > Sincerely,
| > Jason
|
| I generally agree that the last thing we need is for yet another pile
| of fallacious rubbish (which, quite honestly, "creation science"
| claims are) to be dumped on us in cyberspace. At least a Black Forest
| Misthaufe (manure pile, which are traditionally displayed prominently
| in the front of the farm) will be put to very good use as fertilizer;
| all that such a collection of "creation science" claims will do will
| be to poison the mind and the soul and to mislead Christians to sinful
| ways for which they will be staunchly unrepentent.
|
| However, if done right, such a collection could serve a useful
| purpose. But in order to do so, YOU must ensure or attempt the
| following:
|
(snip excellent primer on how to check out research claims)
Jason has no scientific training nor the propensity to do any of this work.
He will simply cut/paste from other sources that he trusts in a grand appeal
to (creationist) authority, adding to the miasma of crap on the web.
--
sharon, aa #2153
"(of creationism) ... Only apocryphal tales told by goat herders around the
campfire after it became too dark to continue to molest their charges." --
TvG (Rec.Equestrian, 2003)
David Jensen
Why would you want to be promoting ignorance and lies?
David Jensen
That is why we should oppose your approach at every turn. It is
guaranteed to include false witness.
David Jensen
ric...@plesiosaur.com (Richard Forrest) wrote in
<892cb437.04021...@posting.google.com>:
I think that he wants to avoid the fact that he is promoting ignorance,
but mistakenly calls it Christianity.
Harlequin
Empty chapters; long forward. ;-)
Dr. Jason Gastrich
Nope. That's why our conversation is over.
JG
David Jensen
Why? You provide entertainment. Your science is wrong, dishonestly so.
Your religious teachings are heterodox, at best, but you do approach
your hopeless task with a much better attitude than the average Liar for
the Lord. We just want to help you avoid too many sins while developing
your website.
AC
Brave Sir Robin ran away,
Bravely ran away, away.
When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
And gallantly, he chickened out. Bravely taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin.
He is packing it in and packing it up
And sneaking away and buggering up
And chickening out and pissing off home,
Yes, bravely he is throwing in the sponge.
--
Aaron Clausen
tao_of_cow/\alberni.net (replace /\ with @)
David
Jason is logically challenged. And stupid, an idiot, half wit.....dumb
ignor grunt.. half ape....
parasitic..
tithing, paypaling, panhandling,
christian... bu$ine$$man
David
Susan S
<mightym...@yahoo.ca>:
>On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 03:52:09 +0000 (UTC),
>Dr. Jason Gastrich <ne...@jcsm.org> wrote:
[snip]
>>
>> Nope. That's why our conversation is over.
>
>Brave Sir Robin ran away,
>Bravely ran away, away.
>When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled.
>Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
>And gallantly, he chickened out. Bravely taking to his feet,
>He beat a very brave retreat,
>Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin.
>
>He is packing it in and packing it up
>And sneaking away and buggering up
>And chickening out and pissing off home,
>Yes, bravely he is throwing in the sponge.
When one of our cats behaves in a particularly scared fashion, we
are wont to call it Brave Sir [fill in cat's name]. And they are
all female. There's just something about saying Brave Sir Cookie.
Susan Silberstein
Assume that anywhere a cat can go, a cat has been.
Dana Tweedy
You seem be implying that I am deceptive, but we both know that's not
true. You choose the company of deceivers who tell you what you want to
hear, over an honest person who tells you the truth. I have not attempted
to deceive you in any way. The people you claim to "trust", however are
practicing deception and you keep eating it up. Don't you see that?
Is that really the action of someone who is commited to Christ? Isn't a
disturbing truth more valuable than a comforting deception? Alas, I fear
you will never know until it's too late.
May God have mercy on you, because your "friends" will not.
DJT
>
> JG
>
Daniel Harper
Jeez. And one of my cats in named Zoe. (Really.)
> Susan Silberstein
> Assume that anywhere a cat can go, a cat has been.
--
...and it is my belief that no greater good has ever befallen you in this city
than my service to my God. [...] Wealth does not bring goodness, but goodness
brings wealth and every other blessing, both to the individual and that state.
Plato, quoting Socrates, from The _Apology_
--Daniel Harper
(Change terra to earth for email)
David Sienkiewicz
You seem to do that a lot.
Would it do any good for me to ask you what evidence you think you might have?
David Wise
> JCSM has purchased a new domain name called http://yecs.org. We are going
> to compile the largest internet archive of young earth creation science
> (YECS) links like articles, MP3s, videos, debates, etc. We need several
> people to help us with this large project. If you would like to help,
> please email us at ne...@jcsm.org.
>
> Sincerely,
> Jason
Oh, and I forgot another thing that would make your site a
constructive addition to the Web.
If you are going to include quotes/misquotes, INCLUDE BOTH THE SOURCE
*A*N*D* THE ORIGINAL TEXT FROM WHICH THE MISQUOTE HAD BEEN LIFTED OUT
OF CONTEXT.
After all, simply repeating the same misquotes without trying to
present the truth about them (AKA "repeating lies") would NOT belong
in a ministry devoted to the God of Truth, but rather in a minstry
devoted to Satan.
Dave Oldridge
@twister.socal.rr.com:
> Dana Tweedy wrote:
>> "Dr. Jason Gastrich" <ne...@jcsm.org> wrote in message
>> news:M5lWb.569$Le2...@twister.socal.rr.com...
>>> Dana Tweedy wrote:
>>>> "Dr. Jason Gastrich" <ne...@jcsm.org> wrote in message
>>>> news:2GjWb.550$Le2...@twister.socal.rr.com...
>>>>> Dana Tweedy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The original question was, will your YEC page contain links to
>>>>>> genuine scientific sites, or just link to other YEC apologist
>>>>>> sites?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. The original question was, "Would someone like to help me
>>>>> make http://yecs.org the biggest archive of young earth
>>>>> creationist data?"
>>>>
>>>> It's quite easy to produce an archive of young earth creationists
>>>> data. There is none.
>>>
>>> Haha. Then perhaps you shouldn't waste your time with this thread.
>>
>> It's my time to waste. So, why are *you* bothering to put together
>> such an archive, when there is no evidence to support YEC? The only
>> thing you will find is misguided and fraudlent attempts to denigrate
>> real science.
>>
>> As I said before, certainly you don't want to associate yourself
>> with those who would deceive, do you?
>>
>> DJT
>
> Nope. That's why our conversation is over.
Yep....you ARE one who would deceive, it seems, and that's why you can't
stand around and actually make your points when someone calls you on the
deception.
You do know what god it is who inspires such tactics, don't you?
--
Dave Oldridge
ICQ 1800667
Paradoxically, most real events are highly improbable.
Snowbird
> JCSM has purchased a new domain name called http://yecs.org. We are going
> to compile the largest internet archive of young earth creation science
> (YECS) links like articles, MP3s, videos, debates, etc. We need several
> people to help us with this large project. If you would like to help,
> please email us at ne...@jcsm.org.
You could have actually put some material up before telling everyone
about the site.
On the other hand, that site *does* cover the same amount of factual
material that there is available on the subject of creationism, i.e.
none.
-
Wayne
Snowbird
How on earth do you propose to publish creationist material on your
site when it's all copyrighted because people are just in it to make
a fast buck?
-
Wayne
Mike Painter
"AC" <mightym...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:slrnc2lvs6.do....@namibia.tandem...
> >> DJT
> >
> > Nope. That's why our conversation is over.
>
> Brave Sir Robin ran away,
> Bravely ran away, away.
> When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled.
> Yes, brave Sir Robin turned about
> And gallantly, he chickened out. Bravely taking to his feet,
> He beat a very brave retreat,
> Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin.
>
> He is packing it in and packing it up
> And sneaking away and buggering up
> And chickening out and pissing off home,
> Yes, bravely he is throwing in the sponge.
>
Maybe it's time somebody asked Jason what his favorite color is.
Richard Forrest
Jason, you are very welcome to paste a link to my site at
http://www.plesiosaur.com/creationism/index.htm. And I'll paste a link
to yours when I've finished a similar analysis of its accuracy
Rf
Andrew Arensburger
> How on earth do you propose to publish creationist material on your
> site when it's all copyrighted because people are just in it to make
> a fast buck?
I don't know about other creationists, but Kent Hovind has
repeatedly said that everything he writes is in the public domain.
Whatever else one might say about him, I don't think he's in
it *solely* for the money.
--
Andrew Arensburger, Systems guy University of Maryland
arensb.no-...@umd.edu Office of Information Technology
I'm not weird. I just wear women's clothes to pick up lesbians.
Uncle Davey
Użytkownik "greg" <gr...@noway2no.com> napisał w wiadomości
news:3naXb.64173$uS3....@bignews4.bellsouth.net...> news:M9GVb.10883$ow4....@twister.socal.rr.com...
> > JCSM has purchased a new domain name called http://yecs.org. We are
going
> > to compile the largest internet archive of young earth creation science
> > (YECS) links like articles, MP3s, videos, debates, etc. We need several
> > people to help us with this large project. If you would like to help,
> > please email us at ne...@jcsm.org.
> >
> > Jason
>
> Jason:
>
> Thought I'd upload a picture of "Yo Daddy"
>
> Justin Tyme
>
>
And just how much of that particular chimera do scientists think they have?
One tooth?
Uncle Davey
greg
news:c0jjrg$cib$0...@pita.alt.net...
Ummm..try whole skulls. And ya know... they just keep finding more fossils
of
homo erectus all the time...
"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank
Uncle Davey wrote:
>
> And just how much of that particular chimera do scientists think they have?
> One tooth?
>
Feeding your addiction again, Davey? Tired of getting kicked in the
nuts, Davey?
===============================================
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Harlequin
Well for one skeleton they are missing the hands and feet, but have
pretty much the rest of it.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/15000.html
Here is very good skull:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/3733.html
There are many other specimens even if we don't include
the Asian _Homo erectus_ specimens.
greg
news:Xns948EDBDD38C1us...@68.12.19.6...
respect to the Turkana Boy fossil find and Creationism. Thanks for posting.
Snowbird
> In talk.origins Snowbird <snowbirdR...@thistoosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>How on earth do you propose to publish creationist material on your
>>site when it's all copyrighted because people are just in it to make
>>a fast buck?
>
>
> I don't know about other creationists, but Kent Hovind has
> repeatedly said that everything he writes is in the public domain.
> Whatever else one might say about him, I don't think he's in
> it *solely* for the money.
>
Hmm, that's interesting. Have you got a reference to his statement?
-
Wayne
catshark
"(None of the materials produced by Creation Science Evangelism are
copyrighted, so feel free to copy those and distribute them freely.)"
<http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=about>
---------------
J. Pieret
---------------
In the name of the bee
And of the butterfly
And of the breeze, amen
- Emily Dickinson -
Snowbird
> On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:45:02 +0000 (UTC), Snowbird
> <snowbirdR...@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>Andrew Arensburger wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In talk.origins Snowbird <snowbirdR...@thistoosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>How on earth do you propose to publish creationist material on your
>>>>site when it's all copyrighted because people are just in it to make
>>>>a fast buck?
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know about other creationists, but Kent Hovind has
>>>repeatedly said that everything he writes is in the public domain.
>>> Whatever else one might say about him, I don't think he's in
>>>it *solely* for the money.
>>>
>>
>>Hmm, that's interesting. Have you got a reference to his statement?
>
>
> "(None of the materials produced by Creation Science Evangelism are
> copyrighted, so feel free to copy those and distribute them freely.)"
>
> <http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=about>
Does that include his books?
-
Wayne
Andrew Arensburger
>> "(None of the materials produced by Creation Science Evangelism are
>> copyrighted, so feel free to copy those and distribute them freely.)"
>>
>> <http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=about>
> Does that include his books?
If a book says it came from CSE, then I would assume so. Of
course, if the book bears a copyright notice, that would presumably
trump the statement above.
--
Andrew Arensburger, Systems guy University of Maryland
arensb.no-...@umd.edu Office of Information Technology
Sometimes, it's a good idea to just curl up in a ball and cry.
Especially if you just got kneed in the groin.
catshark
<snowbirdR...@ThisToosnowbird.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
I don't specifically know. But the only book I could find by him (in a
*very* quick search) is _Claws Jaws and Dinosaurs_, the publisher of which
is his Creation Science Evangelism ministry and presumably covered by the
waiver.
Jason Gastrich
on cave formations. See http://yecs.org/caveformations.htm.
If anyone wants to follow the format on that page, tackle some other issues,
and provide more data and links for us, I'd be happy to receive the
information and post it.
Sincerely,
Jason
Boikat
"Jason Gastrich" <newsg...@jcsm.org> wrote in message
news:_u%Xb.4043$Le2....@twister.socal.rr.com...
Wow. A page full of links to AiG, ICR, and two other idiot sites. Move
along, nothing new at any of them, just Jason passing on the same old
stupidity via links.
Boikat
Richard Clayton
By "tackle some other issues," does that mean you welcome corrections to
factual inaccuracies?
--
The address listed is a spam trap. My real account is the same username,
at Verizon dot net.
stew dean
How about some information to start with - just appears to be a set of
links to other sites. If you want to defend YECs then you will have to
work very hard and come up with a few very clear ideas that you try to
defend.
I will tell you now that any argument that you use from sites like AIG
have probably been refuted already - check talkorigins.org
Stew Dean
Jason Gastrich
Hi Stew,
We have already confirmed the format of http://yecs.org. It will be a place
where one can go and find links to information about YEC topics from the
biggest and most successful YEC organizations in the world. Furthermore, I
HIGHLY doubt that talkorigins.org has refuted the 10 or so articles about
cave formations or the 200+ (upcoming) articles on Noah's flood.
God bless,
Jason
Mark VandeWettering
> Hi Stew,
>
> We have already confirmed the format of http://yecs.org. It will be a place
> where one can go and find links to information about YEC topics from the
> biggest and most successful YEC organizations in the world.
Well, it's good that your criteria is "big" and "successful". If you
were looking for "accurate" or "insightful" you wouldn't have anything
to link.
> Furthermore, I HIGHLY doubt that talkorigins.org has refuted the 10 or
> so articles about cave formations or the 200+ (upcoming) articles on
> Noah's flood.
What you believe and what you doubt are comical at best.
Mark
> God bless, Jason
David
Again your poor scholarship is BLINDINGLY bad. See the following link.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea2.html#proof22
Did you miss that one? And there are a lot more there too, the're just
sitting there in preparation for the rest of the YEC arguments that
you'll be rolling out. See the following link:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood.html
Why don't you check through the list of arguments in the link above and
come back with something original? What's the point of reposting all
the tired old arguments from AiG?
> or the 200+ (upcoming) articles on Noah's flood.
200!!! does that mean you have some new data? Where will these papers
be published? On Steve Austins web site? Or will we be seeing you
passing out pamphlets in San Diego? May be you could publish a peer
reviewed book, that would be very convincing.
David
Jack Dominey
<newsg...@jcsm.org> wrote:
>stew dean wrote:
<snip>
>> I will tell you now that any argument that you use from sites like AIG
>> have probably been refuted already - check talkorigins.org
<snip>
>We have already confirmed the format of http://yecs.org. It will be a place
>where one can go and find links to information about YEC topics from the
>biggest and most successful YEC organizations in the world. Furthermore, I
>HIGHLY doubt that talkorigins.org has refuted the 10 or so articles about
>cave formations or the 200+ (upcoming) articles on Noah's flood.
There are at least two good reasons that the talkorigins website
doesn't need to bother with "refuting" 200+ articles on Ye Fludde:
1) Geology work done by Christians 200 years ago ruled out Ye Fludde
(so don't say it's an evolutionist conspiracy).
2) Most of the material in these 200+ articles will be redundant
anyway.
Besides, there's plenty of refuting done already:
http://talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-flood.html
--
Jack Dominey
jack_dominey (at) email (dot) com
Mark Isaak
<newsg...@jcsm.org> wrote:
>The YECs site is up and running. Our first page has been completed. It's
>on cave formations. See http://yecs.org/caveformations.htm.
You should also link to:
Matson, Dave E., 1994. How Good Are Those Young-Earth Arguments? A
Close Look at Dr. Hovind's List of Young-Earth Arguments and Other
Claims.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea2.html#proof22
--
Mark Isaak eciton (at) earthlink (dot) net
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger." -- Hermann Goering
Jason Gastrich
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:47:16 +0000 (UTC), "Jason Gastrich"
> <newsg...@jcsm.org> wrote:
>
>> The YECs site is up and running. Our first page has been completed.
>> It's on cave formations. See http://yecs.org/caveformations.htm.
>
> You should also link to:
>
> Matson, Dave E., 1994. How Good Are Those Young-Earth Arguments? A
> Close Look at Dr. Hovind's List of Young-Earth Arguments and Other
> Claims.
> http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea2.html#proof22
I was unable to find any online resources or articles for Dr. Hovind on cave
formations. Therefore, I'm fairly certain that Matson won't be countering
anything about them from Kent. Nonetheless, as I've already stated and
shown with the example, this web site will be a resource for young earth
creation. People can go elsewhere for evolutionism.
Jason
Terence J Rigby
"Mark Isaak" <eci...@earthlinkNOSPAM.next> wrote in message
news:gur230lubtg6959is...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:47:16 +0000 (UTC), "Jason Gastrich"
> <newsg...@jcsm.org> wrote:
>
> >The YECs site is up and running. Our first page has been completed.
It's
> >on cave formations. See http://yecs.org/caveformations.htm.
>
> You should also link to:
>
> Matson, Dave E., 1994. How Good Are Those Young-Earth Arguments? A
> Close Look at Dr. Hovind's List of Young-Earth Arguments and Other
> Claims.
> http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea2.html#proof22
and http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Pier/1766/hovindlies/index.html
regarding the 300 lies by "Dr" Hovind.
Terry Rigby
stew dean
> stew dean wrote:
> > "Jason Gastrich" <newsg...@jcsm.org> wrote in message
> > news:<_u%Xb.4043$Le2....@twister.socal.rr.com>...
> >> The YECs site is up and running. Our first page has been completed.
> >> It's on cave formations. See http://yecs.org/caveformations.htm.
> >>
> >> If anyone wants to follow the format on that page, tackle some other
> >> issues, and provide more data and links for us, I'd be happy to
> >> receive the information and post it.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Jason
> >
> > How about some information to start with - just appears to be a set of
> > links to other sites. If you want to defend YECs then you will have to
> > work very hard and come up with a few very clear ideas that you try to
> > defend.
> >
> > I will tell you now that any argument that you use from sites like AIG
> > have probably been refuted already - check talkorigins.org
> >
> > Stew Dean
>
> Hi Stew,
>
> We have already confirmed the format of http://yecs.org.
Because more then one person agreed on something makes it no more
valid.
> It will be a place
> where one can go and find links to information about YEC topics from the
> biggest and most successful YEC organizations in the world.
If you look closely many of these sources contradict each other on a
large scale.
> Furthermore, I
> HIGHLY doubt that talkorigins.org has refuted the 10 or so articles about
> cave formations or the 200+ (upcoming) articles on Noah's flood.
It doesnt need to refute them individualy - it refutes the main ideas
which in term refutes the details of you 200+ articles. Noah's flood
has been shown from many different perspectives to be impossible. If
even one of these articles can find a truely scientific new
perspective that does not go counter to what is known then I would be
truly suprised. I am confident that all your articles have been
refuted by talkorigins.org.
A few examples: For logistical reasons you couldnt have two of every
animal on a floating platform. Two is not enough to propigate a
species. No geological evidence exists for a global flood. The weather
conditions needed to cover the whole world with water are impossible
without a sever increase in tempreture - and I mean sever - enough to
kill many of the species. Fresh and salt water fishes? Disease? Lack
of a genetic bottle neck present in known species evident. Lack of
support from other religions. No physical evidence of a wooden ship
that large existing or technology existing at the time to create
something that large that quickly.
There are just too many reasons why a global flood clearly did not
happen.
Stew Dean
David
> Mark Isaak wrote:
> > On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:47:16 +0000 (UTC), "Jason Gastrich"
> > <newsg...@jcsm.org> wrote:
> >
> >> The YECs site is up and running. Our first page has been completed.
> >> It's on cave formations. See http://yecs.org/caveformations.htm.
> >
> > You should also link to:
> >
> > Matson, Dave E., 1994. How Good Are Those Young-Earth Arguments? A
> > Close Look at Dr. Hovind's List of Young-Earth Arguments and Other
> > Claims.
> > http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea2.html#proof22
>
> I was unable to find any online resources or articles for Dr. Hovind on cave
> formations.
This is a joke right?? Can you possibly be so badly informed. Can you
really have such poor research and scholarship skills?
Look at the following web site for the material you cannot find::
http://jcsm.org/Creation/Hovind/seminar_part1b.html
WOW hang on a second, that would be YOUR web site???????????
Enough said!!
David