Newsgroups: talk.origins
From: seanpitnos...@naturalselection.0catch.com (Sean Pitman)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:13:27 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Tues, Oct 21 2003 8:13 am
Subject: Re: The Density of Beneficial Functions
drear...@hotmail.com (Von Smith) wrote in message <news:8d74ec45.0310191416.66331c95@posting.google.com>... PDF link: > > Yes, this is the question. Please then Ian, explain to me why ebg > > negative E. coli cannot go from anything that they have in their > > collective genomes in a large colony with over 4 million base pairs > > each, to the lactase function? - if this lactase function is truly > > only one step away from some other beneficial sequence or series of > > one-step beneficial sequences in these creature's DNA? Hmmmmmmm? > > That *is* the question! > The answer is that the premise of the question isn't true. When are > Matsumura I, Ellington AD. In vitro evolution of http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=MImg&_imagekey=B6WK7-457D7X4... If you had read this paper yourself, you may have noticed several What is especially interesting here is that this potential lactase > It has been cited to you several times. This is the first time I've seen it. I don't read everything that is addressed to me in this forum you know . . . > I don't think Matsumura et The reason why Matsumura did not need to knock out the ebg gene was > al. made any point in knocking out the ebg gene to get this function, > but there is no reason to suppose they couldn't have. that this study was an "in vitro" study, not an "in vivo" study. The mutations were introduced into the wild-type gusA "via mutagenic PCR". > So there are, in fact, at least *two* other genes that have been Most likely there are trillions of potential lactase genes out there > observed to evolve novel lactase function in E. coli in the lab. How > many more do you think we need to observe? in sequence space. A demonstration of two of them is nothing. The ratio of beneficial sequences vs. non-beneficial sequences is the issue here. What is the density of beneficial sequences in sequence space *at a given level of functional complexity*? A lower levels of functional complexity, such as the level of antibiotic resistance and the like, the beneficial density of sequences is relatively high. At the higher level of single protein functions the density of beneficial functions becomes much much less. This is evident from the fact that the evolution of single protein enzymes is much harder to achieve than the evolution of antibiotic resistance in these same bacteria. Even those bacteria that cannot evolve the lactase function are easily able to evolve antibiotic resistance to all kinds of different antibiotics. Moving up one more level to multi-protein functions were all the proteins work together at the same time in a specific orientation with each other, there simply are no examples of evolution in action - period. Now, why is that? > Von Smith Sean You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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