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Hiero5ant

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Jul 22, 2003, 4:13:35 PM7/22/03
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Matthias Provan

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Jul 22, 2003, 4:47:15 PM7/22/03
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lol...waste of space? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Wouldn't the space
between what looks like particles be just as much of a waste?

~!~
Matthias


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| http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/07/22/stars.survey/index.html

Harlequin

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Jul 22, 2003, 5:18:17 PM7/22/03
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Why does God have to share anyone's idea of how to use space?

Does everyplace in the universe need to have crammed up with
stuff?

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David Jensen

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Jul 22, 2003, 6:15:40 PM7/22/03
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In talk.origins, Harlequin <use...@cox.net> wrote in
<Xns93C0A56241035u...@68.12.19.6>:

>Why does God have to share anyone's idea of how to use space?
>
>Does everyplace in the universe need to have crammed up with
>stuff?

My house is a data point for "yes".
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Bobby D. Bryant

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Jul 22, 2003, 6:39:17 PM7/22/03
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 21:18:17 +0000, Harlequin wrote:

> Why does God have to share anyone's idea of how to use space?
>
> Does everyplace in the universe need to have crammed up with stuff?

You're right, of course.

But for exactly the same reason you reveal the vacuousness (no pun
intended!) of the popular fine-tuning argument.

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Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas

Harlequin

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Jul 22, 2003, 8:43:11 PM7/22/03
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"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbr...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in
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I will agree. Fine-tuning is vacuous as assuming that if a Supreme
Being exists that He will share in our particular human sense of
aesthetics.

SOGGYNETNUT

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Jul 22, 2003, 10:43:30 PM7/22/03
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Luitenant Dan says where all just floatin around .
Mama says we all have a destiny .
I think its a little of both .- Forest Gump

R. Baldwin

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Jul 22, 2003, 11:15:53 PM7/22/03
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"David Jensen" <da...@dajensen-family.com> wrote in message
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> In talk.origins, Harlequin <use...@cox.net> wrote in
> <Xns93C0A56241035u...@68.12.19.6>:
>
> >Why does God have to share anyone's idea of how to use space?
> >
> >Does everyplace in the universe need to have crammed up with
> >stuff?
>
> My house is a data point for "yes".

My spouse seems to think "yes."

Hiero5ant

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Jul 22, 2003, 11:46:57 PM7/22/03
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"Matthias Provan" <angry_youn...@hotN0SP4Mmail.com> wrote in message
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> lol...waste of space? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Wouldn't
the space
> between what looks like particles be just as much of a waste?

Touche.

John Thomas Grisham

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Jul 23, 2003, 2:33:42 PM7/23/03
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"Hiero5ant" <vze4...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<LSgTa.18241$0F4....@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>...
> http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/07/22/stars.survey/index.html

It's only ten times the grains of sand on Earth.

Let Earth's grains of sand equal "x".

Let Stars in the universe equal "y".

then, "y = 10x"

Damn! It's just another argument for the Metric System, again!


JTG 7/23/03

Napoleon

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Jul 23, 2003, 8:11:05 PM7/23/03
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I read the article. It is not very scientific to say that there could be an
infinite number of stars, because that cannot
be the case according to the Paradox of Olbers.

If there would be an infinite number of stars the nightsky would be as
bright as the sun.

Salut!,
Napoleon Bon Aparte

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Xaonon

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Jul 24, 2003, 12:41:07 AM7/24/03
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Ned i bach <3f1f239e$0$7543$ba62...@reader0.news.skynet.be>, Napoleon
<fa07...@skynet.be> teithant i thiw hin:

> I read the article. It is not very scientific to say that there could be
> an infinite number of stars, because that cannot be the case according to
> the Paradox of Olbers.
>
> If there would be an infinite number of stars the nightsky would be as
> bright as the sun.

Not if the universe is N billion years old and only a finite number of the
stars are less than N billion light-years away.

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Visit The Nexus Of All Coolness (i.e. my site) at http://xaonon.dyndns.org/
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Bobby D. Bryant

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Jul 24, 2003, 3:06:05 AM7/24/03
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:11:05 +0000, Napoleon wrote:

> I read the article. It is not very scientific to say that there could be
> an infinite number of stars, because that cannot be the case according
> to the Paradox of Olbers.
>
> If there would be an infinite number of stars the nightsky would be as
> bright as the sun.

Not in a universe with finite age and a finite speed of light, because the
light from stars beyond the Hubble radius (correct term?) would not have
gotten here yet.

Sverker Johansson

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Jul 24, 2003, 3:14:17 AM7/24/03
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Harlequin wrote:
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> Why does God have to share anyone's idea of how to use space?

If the universe reveals anything about God, it is that He
is inordinately fond of empty space and non-baryonic dark matter.

[adapted from JBS Haldane]

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Bobby D. Bryant

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Jul 24, 2003, 6:39:03 AM7/24/03
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:14:17 +0000, Sverker Johansson wrote:

> Harlequin wrote:
>>
>> Why does God have to share anyone's idea of how to use space?
>
> If the universe reveals anything about God, it is that He
> is inordinately fond of empty space and non-baryonic dark matter.

and beetles.

Sverker Johansson

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Jul 24, 2003, 3:01:09 PM7/24/03
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Haldane might have reconsidered his choice, if he had been aware
of the relative fractions of the universe's mass composed
of beetles and of nonbaryonic dark matter.

Von Smith

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"Bobby D. Bryant" <bdbr...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message news:<pan.2003.07.24....@mail.utexas.edu>...

darkroaches?

Clell Harmon

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Jul 26, 2003, 2:56:06 AM7/26/03
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:11:05 +0000 (UTC), "Napoleon"
<fa07...@skynet.be> wrote:

>I read the article. It is not very scientific to say that there could be an
>infinite number of stars, because that cannot
>be the case according to the Paradox of Olbers.
>
>If there would be an infinite number of stars the nightsky would be as
>bright as the sun.

And it will be. Just as soon as the light from that infinite
number of stars gets here.

They're a ways off you know.....

Mike Goodrich

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Jul 26, 2003, 8:24:56 AM7/26/03
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Quite the contrary; it could not have a more worthwhile purpose than
to reveal the glory of God and His unimaginable power.

-mg

Bobby D. Bryant

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Jul 26, 2003, 9:18:33 AM7/26/03
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Insecure, is he? Compensating for a bit of an inferiority complex?

Earle Jones

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Jul 29, 2003, 11:53:02 PM7/29/03
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In article <d92ac81f.03072...@posting.google.com>,
goodr...@yahoo.com (Mike Goodrich) wrote:

*
I guess I must agree with you there: "His power is unimaginable."

In fact, his power is rather limited. He was able to handle ordinary
chariots, but he could not handle chariots made of iron:

"And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants
of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of
the valley, because they had chariots of iron."

--Judges 1:19

My advice is that you should learn your Bible. You evidently are not
familiar with what your Bible has to teach you.

You should read it once in a while, instead of parroting your juvenile
claptrap.

earle
*

"But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy
master and to thee to speak these words? [hath he] not [sent me] to the
men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink
their own piss with you?"

--Isaiah 36:12

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