The Seed
Herman
from chicken eggs and we come from an egg inside our mother. The egg
was a bag of water till we were born so we all came from the water. In
Biblical evolution it says that all living things that move came from
the waters. That means to me that the first life of every thing that
moves came from the oceans.
Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the
moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth
in the open firmament of heaven.
The Bible also says the seed was in the earth. So, to my
understanding, the 92 or so chemical elements in the sea water
produced the eggs of everything that moves and when the conditions was
right, the eggs or seeds could hatch and the creature could survive.
That is why there is a fossil record because the food had to be there
first before the creature could survive. That takes us back to algae
because it can live off of air and water. so the oceans filled with
algae as a start of visible life. (The microscopic life is another
story) Then the creature that eat the algae could survive because it's
food was abundant. There was nothing to eat the creature that eat the
algae so it filled the seas abundantly. Then the creature that could
eat the creature that eat the algae could evolve and there was nothing
to eat it so it filled the seas. Then so on up the chain of life
because the seed of everything that moved was produced by the elements
in sea water.
Why?.. because sea water was a design of God and it was designed
to produce seed but could not produce most seed till the moon evolved
to control the tides so the ocean water would not be stagnate. That
was about 500 million years ago when all life seemed to evolve at the
same time. Some call it the 500 million year gap.
Man also has a seed. Every man and woman has a seed of their own and
carry the seed of an ancestor. You can find out about the seed in
Genesis 5 where it tells about the seed of Adam that lived to be 930
years old. The one man Adam did not live that long. The one man Adam
only lived 130 years but his children and grandchildren etc. lived on
for a total of 930 years before it died out. Then Abraham's seed took
over till the birth of Jesus Christ where all Christians were grafted
into his seed that made it number as the sands of the sea that God
promised Abraham. (All the Christians that lived and died since Jesus
came numbered as the sands of the sea) There are over 2 billion
Christians on the earth today.
So we each have a seed of our own and it lives down through the
generations for hundreds of years. Some seeds are old and some are
new. The old seeds are wise with maybe a thousand years behind their
generations. The young seeds are kind of slow but a lot more happy.
The seeds that produced Jesus Christ were 7 different seeds. They
were the same 7 seeds that was saved on the ark of Noah during the
great flood. Then after the flood, through marriage and a lot of
generations they all ended up in both Joseph and Mary to produce Jesus
Christ. That means that all of our blood was in his blood because we
all were produced by the seven seeds from the ark of Noah. So it was
your blood and mine that was sacrificed for our sins on the cross
through the body of Jesus Christ.
Then God raised Jesus from the dead and give him eternal life and
the job as our mediator between man and God. That makes the scripture
clear as a bell�..
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the
life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
So life is all about seed. And now you know the answer to the age
old question, �What came first, the Chicken or the egg?� Now you know
that the egg came first. If you was going to create a chicken how
would you start? Would it be easier to mix up some chemicals to make
an egg or put all of those feathers together to make a chicken? � What
about the DNA? � Or create the sea water to bring forth the egg?
If you reply to this trend take it one question at a time. Don�t
make a post a mile long with a million questions and expect me to
answer them all. And don�t make any wise cracks. We all know you are
really funny so you don�t have to prove it. We all know that I am
ignorant and stupid so you don�t have to prove that either.If you want
to say this trend is wrong, give a reason why.
Friar Broccoli
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> � � Why?.. because sea water was a design of God and it was designed
> to produce seed but could not produce most seed till the moon evolved
> to control the tides so the ocean water would not be stagnate. That
> was about 500 million years ago when all life seemed to evolve at the
> same time. Some call it the 500 million year gap.
As per your request, just one question:
Here are some images of animals that live about 505 million years ago:
http://www.rareresource.com/pho_burgess%20Shale.htm
Since the animals there are very different from the animals that live
today, do you agree that there must have been evolution that caused
the change to the animals we see today?
> � Man also has a seed. Every man and woman has a seed of their own and
> carry the seed of an ancestor. You can find out about the seed in
> Genesis 5 where it tells about the seed of Adam that lived to be 930
> years old. The one man Adam did not live that long. The one man Adam
> only lived 130 years but his children and grandchildren etc. lived on
> for a total of 930 years before it died out. Then Abraham's seed took
> over till the birth of Jesus Christ where all Christians were grafted
> into his seed that made it number as the sands of the sea that God
> promised Abraham. (All the Christians that lived and died since Jesus
> came numbered as the sands of the sea) There are over 2 billion
> Christians on the earth today.
> � �So we each have a seed of our own and it lives down through the
> generations for hundreds of years. Some seeds are old and some are
> new. The old seeds are wise with maybe a thousand years behind their
> generations. The young seeds are kind of slow but a lot more happy.
> � �The seeds that produced Jesus Christ were 7 different seeds. They
> were the same 7 seeds that was saved on the ark of Noah during the
> great flood. Then after the flood, through marriage and a lot of
> generations they all ended up in both Joseph and Mary to produce Jesus
> Christ. That means that all of our blood was in his blood because we
> all were produced by the seven seeds from the ark of Noah. So it was
> your blood and mine that was sacrificed for our sins on the cross
> through the body of Jesus Christ.
> � �Then God raised Jesus from the dead and give him eternal life and
> the job as our mediator between man and God. That makes the scripture
> clear as a bell�..
> John 14:6 �Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the
> life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
> � �So life is all about seed. And now you know the answer to the age
> old question, �What came first, the Chicken or the egg?� Now you know
> that the egg came first. If you was going to create a chicken how
> would you start? Would it be easier to mix up some chemicals to make
> an egg or put all of those feathers together to make a chicken? � What
> about the DNA? � Or create the sea water to bring forth the egg?
> � If you reply to this trend take it one question at a time. Don�t
> make a post a mile long with a million questions and expect me to
> answer them all. And don�t make any wise cracks. We all know you are
> really funny so you don�t have to prove it. We all know that I am
> ignorant and stupid so you don�t have to prove that either.If you want
wiki trix
> We know by observation that all life evolves from seed.
Wrong. That is an overgeneralization. Even if every observation you
have ever made indicates that "all life evolves from seed" (whatever
that means), that says nothing about all the observations that you
have not made, some of which might contradict your hypothesis. BTW, I
am not sure what you mean by "seed", but the standard meaning of that
word implies sexual reproduction. So all asexually reproducing species
would be contra-examples to your hypothesis.
> Chickens come
> from chicken eggs and we come from an egg inside our mother. The egg
> was a bag of water till we were born so we all came from the water. In
> Biblical evolution it says that all living things that move came from
> the waters. That means to me that the first life of every thing that
> moves came from the oceans.
I have no idea if that is true. Can you give a biblical citation for
"all living things that move came from the waters"? That would be
interesting. Your quote bellow of Gen 1:20 does not imply to me that
"all living things that move came from the waters". That citation does
not contain or imply the word "all". I don't think common
interpretation would be that the "fowl that may fly above the earth"
originated in the water.
David Hare-Scott
> We know by observation that all life evolves from seed.
have seeds got to do with bacteria? Where in their ancestry do they have
seeds?
Chickens come
> from chicken eggs and we come from an egg inside our mother. The egg
> was a bag of water till we were born so we all came from the water. In
> Biblical evolution it says that all living things that move came from
> the waters. That means to me that the first life of every thing that
> moves came from the oceans.
>
> Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the
> moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth
> in the open firmament of heaven.
>
> The Bible also says the seed was in the earth.
knows.
hereditary line?
Then Abraham's seed took
> over till the birth of Jesus Christ where all Christians were grafted
> into his seed that made it number as the sands of the sea that God
> promised Abraham. (All the Christians that lived and died since Jesus
> came numbered as the sands of the sea) There are over 2 billion
> Christians on the earth today.
line of one man (which has died out) be taken over by another? How can a
population be grafted into... Oh forget it you are just babbling, this
doesn't mean a damn thing.
And I will bet you a bottle of Laphraoig that there are many more grains of
sand (multiple orders of magnitude more) than all the Christians who have
ever lived.
> So we each have a seed of our own and it lives down through the
> generations for hundreds of years. Some seeds are old and some are
> new. The old seeds are wise with maybe a thousand years behind their
> generations. The young seeds are kind of slow but a lot more happy.
> The seeds that produced Jesus Christ were 7 different seeds. They
> were the same 7 seeds that was saved on the ark of Noah during the
> great flood.
two or three senses. Please define what you are talking about here because
it makes no sense using the normal meaning of "seed".
Then after the flood, through marriage and a lot of
> generations they all ended up in both Joseph and Mary to produce Jesus
> Christ. That means that all of our blood was in his blood because we
> all were produced by the seven seeds from the ark of Noah. So it was
> your blood and mine that was sacrificed for our sins on the cross
> through the body of Jesus Christ.
> Then God raised Jesus from the dead and give him eternal life and
> the job as our mediator between man and God. That makes the scripture
> life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
> So life is all about seed. And now you know the answer to the age
> would you start? Would it be easier to mix up some chemicals to make
> about the DNA? … Or create the sea water to bring forth the egg?
above.
Don’t
> answer them all.
>And don’t make any wise cracks.
I wouldn't dream of it, you are the comedian, you have centre stage.
We all know you are
> ignorant and stupid so you don’t have to prove that either.If you want
Herman
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I found a web page a few days ago that has a chart close to the bottom
of the page. The Chart is called "Mass Extinctions in 540 million
years". The spikes on the chart show major impacts of asteroids that
have hit the earth and the time frame that they hit. It looks like a
saw blade with large teeth and small teeth.
http://users.tpg.com.au/users/tps-seti/crater.html
The Bible says the seed was in the earth. It don't say what time frame
but it does mention the first life. Since all life evolved from seed
(When the conditions was right) then got wiped out and the conditions
changed. They would not be able to evolve again under the new
conditions.
Maybe these species from 505 million years ago got wiped out
completely and the atmosphere could have changed of what they eat
could have also been wiped out.... Who knows? ... But that would not
change the fact that the seed was in the earth and that is how life
started on the earth.
I never accepted the scientific theory of evolution. I remember
looking at pictures in a science book when I was a kid, but those
pictures did not do a thing for me even way back then. What hit my
mind was FICTION. That is still the same today. The Bible makes a lot
more sense saying the seed was in the earth. I don't disagree with
everything that science teaches because they have a train load of
stuff that fits with the Bible. Those things I accept but they have a
lot of theories on the evolution of the universe and life that I
totally disagree with because the Bible teaches a different story. I
have a lot of years of Bible study and I have found the Bible to be
true. In fact, I never in my life have disagreed with anything in the
bible. If I don't understand some parts, I just say, "I don't
understand that yet, maybe later on down the road I will."
Herman
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spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely
given to us of God.
1 Cor 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's
wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing
spiritual things with spiritual.
1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit
of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Cor 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he
himself is judged of no man.
But I will try. The seed is you. Think of the names of everyone like a
last name instead of a first name, or a tribe. That name is the person
who started that name and it will live maybe a thousand years then die
out. Sometimes a name will live only a few hundred years and die out.
But the blood of that person will live in his children and
grandchildren etc. for many generations. You live through your
children after you are dead and gone. That is why it is so important
to raise them up right, according to the Bible and hope that they will
raise their children the same.
Herman
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moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth
in the open firmament of heaven.
moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind,
and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
As far as the fowl of the air, In my mind I pictured the eggs evolved
in the sea water and maybe the first eggs did not have a hard shell.
They could have had a clear shell like a clear sack... Who
Knows? ...When the eggs washed up on the beach they could have hatched
and the seagulls or what ever could have been fed by another bird or
another means. There could be a million different ways that could have
happened if you really want an answer that bad. Or you might look up
the Hebrew words and find that the KJV translators might have had bad
translation in those two verses. The part about the creatures was the
first bad translation that I ever found in the KJV. Here is the Hebrew
text for both verses.
Gen 1:20 . 'elohiym:H430 'amar:H559 . . mayim:H4325 sharats:H8317
sharats:H8317 sharats:H8317 . sherets:H8318 sherets:H8318 . .
chay:H2416 . 'owph:H5775 . . 'uwph:H5774 'al:H5921 . 'erets:H776 . .
paniym:H6440 raqiya':H7549 . shamayim:H8064
Gen 1:21 . 'elohiym:H430 bara':H1254 gadowl:H1419 tanniyn:H8577 .
kol:H3605 chay:H2416 nephesh:H5315 . ramas:H7430 'asher:H834 .
mayim:H4325 sharats:H8317 sharats:H8317 sharats:H8317 . . miyn:H4327 .
kol:H3605 kanaph:H3671 'owph:H5775 . . miyn:H4327 . 'elohiym:H430
ra'ah:H7200 . . . towb:H2896
It says that the waters (sea water) brought forth swarms and swarms
and swarms of tiny tiny creatures. That is not in the KJV. Since it's
not in the KJV, the translation covered up a story of evolution from
the sea water to keep from using repeated words. If they had
translated it like the writer of Genesis wrote it, the Great Debate
might not have ever happened.
Also, the KJV translators used the English word Creature to replace
two entirely different Hebrew words. The firs was Sherets.
8318. sherets, sheh'-rets; from H8317; a swarm, i.e. active mass of
minute animals:--creep (-ing thing), move (-ing creature).
Look in the next verse where the translators used the same English
word Creature to replace the Hebrew word Nephesh.
5315. nephesh, neh'-fesh; from H5314; prop. a breathing creature, i.e.
animal or (abstr.) vitality; used very widely in a lit., accommodated
or fig. sense (bodily or mental):--any, appetite, beast, body, breath,
creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, +
greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy),
lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-,
him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet,
they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.
This word describes a warm blooded creature and could even mean MAN
with a soul.
When I saw this I could not believe that out of two billion Christians
on the earth, no one has ever brought this out in the public to show
the bad translation.
That is why you need to study the Bible, not just read the
translation. DON"T COUNT ON OTHER PEOPLE.
Frank J
So? Are you counting words in the Bible as evidence? Or like the
"scientific" creationists, do you only claim to believe that because
you think (or pretend) you have independent evidence? And if the
latter, what is that independent evidence other than your
dissatisfaction with evolution?
Actually the Bible *does* say when life originated. Too bad different
"kinds" "scientific" creationists insist that it says very different
"whens," several orders of magnitude apart.
> Since all life evolved from seed
> (When the conditions was right) then got wiped out and the conditions
> changed. They would not be able to evolve again under the new
> conditions.
> � �Maybe these species from 505 million years ago got wiped out
> completely and the atmosphere could have changed of what they eat
> could have also been wiped out.... Who knows?
How can you say "who knows?" about what happened 505 MY ago - even in
light of testable evidence that gives us at least some idea of what
Earth and life was like at the time - and be so sure there was a
"seed"? And just one seed, or many? One for each "kind", one for each
organism? Other?
>... But that would not
> change the fact that the seed was in the earth and that is how life
> started on the earth.
> � �I never accepted the scientific theory of evolution. I remember
> looking at pictures in a science book when I was a kid, but those
> pictures did not do a thing for me even way back then. What hit my
> mind was FICTION. That is still the same today. The Bible makes a lot
> more sense saying the seed was in the earth. I don't disagree with
> everything that science teaches because they have a train load of
> stuff that fits with the Bible. Those things I accept but they have a
> lot of theories on the evolution of the universe and life that I
> totally disagree with because the Bible teaches a different story. I
> have a lot of years of Bible study and I have found the Bible to be
> true. In fact, I never in my life have disagreed with anything in the
> bible. If I don't understand some parts, I just say, "I don't
> understand that yet, maybe later on down the road I will."- Hide quoted text -
Friar Broccoli
> On Oct 8, 9:37 am, Friar Broccoli <elia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 8, 9:54 am, Herman <Dusty55...@aol.com> wrote:
[snipping of older material to reduce length]
>>> Why?.. because sea water was a design of God and it was designed
>>> to produce seed but could not produce most seed till the moon evolved
>>> to control the tides so the ocean water would not be stagnate. That
>>> was about 500 million years ago when all life seemed to evolve at the
>>> same time. Some call it the 500 million year gap.
>
>> As per your request, just one question:
>
>> Here are some images of animals that live about 505 million years ago:
>> http://www.rareresource.com/pho_burgess%20Shale.htm
>
>> Since the animals there are very different from the animals that live
>> today, do you agree that there must have been evolution that caused
>> the change to the animals we see today?
.
> I found a web page a few days ago that has a chart close to the bottom
> of the page. The Chart is called "Mass Extinctions in 540 million
> years". The spikes on the chart show major impacts of asteroids that
> have hit the earth and the time frame that they hit. It looks like a
> saw blade with large teeth and small teeth.
>
> http://users.tpg.com.au/users/tps-seti/crater.html
.
> The Bible says the seed was in the earth. It don't say what time frame
> but it does mention the first life.
OK, I just did a search for all references to "seed" in the Bible (New
International Version). Here are the results:
http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=seed&version1=31&searchtype=all
Almost all the references were to plant seeds, and none of the others
made any reference to "first life" or anything similar as far as I
could tell. Could you cite chapter and verse for me, and explain your
claim here please?
> Since all life evolved from seed
Again, I cannot see that this is supported by scripture.
> (When the conditions was right) then got wiped out and the conditions
> changed. They would not be able to evolve again under the new
> conditions.
>
> Maybe these species from 505 million years ago got wiped out
> completely and the atmosphere could have changed of what they eat
> could have also been wiped out.... Who knows? ... But that would not
> change the fact that the seed was in the earth and that is how life
> started on the earth.
OK, here are some pictures of animals from the Paleocene (a few
million years after the extinction of the dinosaurs [except for
birds]):
http://www.paleocene-mammals.de/condylarths.htm
http://www.paleocene-mammals.de/large_herbivores.htm
As you can see they didn't look anything like modern animals, and no
modern animals like elephants, deer, dogs, or monkeys existed at that
time. So why did all these animals change so much during a period
when there were no major world-wide extinction events?
> I never accepted the scientific theory of evolution. I remember
> looking at pictures in a science book when I was a kid, but those
> pictures did not do a thing for me even way back then. What hit my
> mind was FICTION. That is still the same today. The Bible makes a lot
> more sense saying the seed was in the earth. I don't disagree with
> everything that science teaches because they have a train load of
> stuff that fits with the Bible. Those things I accept but they have a
> lot of theories on the evolution of the universe and life that I
> totally disagree with because the Bible teaches a different story. I
> have a lot of years of Bible study and I have found the Bible to be
> true. In fact, I never in my life have disagreed with anything in the
> bible.
.
> If I don't understand some parts, I just say, "I don't
> understand that yet, maybe later on down the road I will."
Is it possible that some parts of the bible you don't understand will
show that evolution was God's method for creating life on earth?
SortingItOut
I don't. I don't consider the authors of the original text to be any
more accurate and reliable than later translators.
Rolf
> We know by observation that all life evolves from seed. Chickens come
> from chicken eggs and we come from an egg inside our mother. The egg
> was a bag of water till we were born so we all came from the water.
Your breakfast egg is just boiled water? Mine isn't!
That's nothing compared to what we find in our seed in the laboratory and
microscope!
where it tells about the seed of Adam that lived to be 930
> years old. The one man Adam did not live that long. The one man Adam
> only lived 130 years but his children and grandchildren etc. lived on
> for a total of 930 years before it died out. Then Abraham's seed took
> over till the birth of Jesus Christ where all Christians were grafted
> into his seed that made it number as the sands of the sea that God
> promised Abraham. (All the Christians that lived and died since Jesus
> came numbered as the sands of the sea) There are over 2 billion
> Christians on the earth today.
> So we each have a seed of our own and it lives down through the
> generations for hundreds of years. Some seeds are old and some are
> new. The old seeds are wise with maybe a thousand years behind their
> generations. The young seeds are kind of slow but a lot more happy.
> The seeds that produced Jesus Christ were 7 different seeds. They
> were the same 7 seeds that was saved on the ark of Noah during the
> great flood. Then after the flood, through marriage and a lot of
> generations they all ended up in both Joseph and Mary to produce Jesus
> Christ. That means that all of our blood was in his blood because we
> all were produced by the seven seeds from the ark of Noah. So it was
> your blood and mine that was sacrificed for our sins on the cross
> through the body of Jesus Christ.
> Then God raised Jesus from the dead and give him eternal life and
> the job as our mediator between man and God. That makes the scripture
> clear as a bell�..
> John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the
> life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
> So life is all about seed. And now you know the answer to the age
> old question, �What came first, the Chicken or the egg?� Now you know
> that the egg came first. If you was going to create a chicken how
> would you start? Would it be easier to mix up some chemicals to make
> an egg or put all of those feathers together to make a chicken? � What
> about the DNA? � Or create the sea water to bring forth the egg?
> If you reply to this trend take it one question at a time. Don�t
> make a post a mile long with a million questions and expect me to
> answer them all. And don�t make any wise cracks. We all know you are
> really funny so you don�t have to prove it. We all know that I am
> ignorant and stupid so you don�t have to prove that either.If you want
> to say this trend is wrong, give a reason why.
Coming from you, how could it be anyhing else than wrong?
Frank J
Apparently they were just as mutually-contradictory too (e.g. Gen I v
II).
Herman
> > life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
> > So life is all about seed. And now you know the answer to the age
> > would you start? Would it be easier to mix up some chemicals to make
> > If you reply to this trend take it one question at a time. Don�t
> > really funny so you don�t have to prove it. We all know that I am
> > ignorant and stupid so you don�t have to prove that either.If you want
>
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was grieved that he made man but found grace in the family of Noah.
That is when God told Noah to build the ark.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth,
and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created
from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping
thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made
them.
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and
perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Gen 6:10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was
filled with violence.
Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt;
for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before
me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I
will destroy them with the earth.
God told Noah how to build the ark.
Gen 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the
earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under
heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
Gen 6:18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt
come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons'
wives with thee.
Gen 6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort
shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they
shall be male and female.
Gen 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into
the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
All thy house means children and grandchildren. By understanding the
seed of man, we can see that there could have been 1000 people on the
ark of Noah. The family of Noah and his wife, the family of Shem, of
Ham, and of Japheth. Four families instead of eight people. That would
have been enough man power to build the ark and enough people to take
care of all of those animals for a year long trip.
Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the
male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male
and his female.
I suppose the clean beast would be for food and that could have been
the reason to take them in by sevens.
Gen 7:5 And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.
Gen 7:6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters
was upon the earth.
So since we know about the seed we can see that the first man Noah was
dead and gone and his seed was 600 years old. That would be a lot of
people in 600 years. Plenty of man power to build the ark and plenty
of people to feed all the animals.
Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second
month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the
fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were
opened.
What caused the flood? In the book of second peter in the New
Testament it says …
2 Pet 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word
of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the
water and in the water:
This could mean that all the water on the earth was pulled to one side
by something with a lot of gravity and made a gigantic high tide that
covered the mountain tops. If the cause happened to be a later ring,
then it could have also dumped a lot of water on the earth to cover
the cities that were found underwater today. As the ring passed over
the orbit of the earth it could have taken a year to do so. That would
mean that the earth rotated through the mile high tide every 12 hours
and Noah and his family sit high and dry in the ark upon the high
seas.
Herman
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Noah. Noah's seed went through one of his children so that would have
been the same seed. That would leave 7 seeds on the ark. The whole
world sprang from those 7 seeds; you, me, her, him, they, them, etc.
God was not only protecting Noah and his family, he was also
protecting the seeds that would produce Jesus Christ thousands of
years later.... Why thousands of years later? ... Because that would
be how long it would take for all of those 7 seeds to end up in two
people that would be man and wife, Joseph and Mary. Theses same 7
seeds would make up the mysterious blood of Jesus Christ which would
be our sacrifice for our sins and our mediator between man and God.
That's where all the 7's come in that the Bible is constantly
speaking of, Seven golden candle sticks, seven spirits of God, seven
seals, etc. etc. The word seven is mentioned around 440 times
throughout the Bible. More than likely, that was because of these 7
seeds that we all sprang from and that ended up in the blood of Jesus
Christ. That would make Jesus a perfect sacrifice for our sins because
it would be your blood and mine that was spilled for our sins through
one man without sin. That would also make Jesus the perfect mediator
being blood kin to every individual that ever walked the earth.
Herman
mountain top in the Mountains of Ararat. In this assumption the
families of Noah and his three sons left the ark and traveled down the
mountain to the West. After being on the ark for app. one year,
everyone got to know everyone else and they formed groups of the
different seeds by nature. So as they left the ark, each group stuck
together on the long trip down the mountains. In Eastern Turkey along
the shore of the Mediterranean sea is the site of seven ancient
cities. This is the seven cities that the Apostle Paul visited and
ministered to after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. These
seven cities are in walking distance of each other (long two or three
day walk). They might not be the exact location of the original seven
cities but who knows. They have found evidence of people being there
about 4 million years ago and those people could have traveled from
the ark and ended up there eventually. If so, It could also be
possible that each seed built their own city and their own church.
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and,
What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches
which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos,
and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto
Laodicea.
Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right
hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the
angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou
sawest are the seven churches.
The characteristics of each of the 7 seeds are listed here. You might
see your seed if you read all the characteristics and you might see
your wife's seed or your son or daughter. I will list one a day, or
you can look them up in the book of Revelation and study them on your
own.
Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things
saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh
in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how
thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them
which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
Rev 2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake
hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast
left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent,
and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and
will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the
Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.
Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto
the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of
life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
To be continued.
David Hare-Scott
>
> Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right
> hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the
> angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou
> sawest are the seven churches.
>
> The characteristics of each of the 7 seeds are listed here. You might
> see your seed if you read all the characteristics and you might see
> your wife's seed or your son or daughter. I will list one a day, or
> you can look them up in the book of Revelation and study them on your
> own.
>
Do you think that the incubation periods of birds' eggs are all a multiple
of seven days? Is it related to this bit of numerology you have here? If
so how?
D
Herman
As I said.. Look in the Bible from cover to cover and you will find
about 440 places where it speaks of the Number seven. It has nothing
to do with bird eggs, and in all places it is not talking about the 7
seeds of man. The 440 is how many times the number 7 is mentioned. Out
of those 440 places, there is a large number of places that relate to
the seven seeds. If you are interested, get a Strong's concordance and
a KJV Bible and look them up.
This is what I posted for YOU, not me. I already know about the 7
seeds of man but most people have never hear of it. That is why I made
this trend is for people that don't know about the seed to learn what
I have discovered.
I also hope that you don't think that I know all the answers to
everything in the Bible. I only know what I have had time to study.
What I study is answers to unanswered questions if I can find them.
Any time you get a chance to learn something new from the Bible you
need to learn it. The more you understand about the Bible the more
armor you will have against Satan. One day when you are on your death
bed, (If you live that long) you might find yourself face to face with
Satan. He will be offering you deals to take the pain away or letting
you live if you follow him. You have to have enough armor to fight him
off and your armor is the understanding of the Bible.
The seven seeds of man is valuable information that will help you
understand a train load of things that you need to know. It will also
help you understand more about Jesus Christ and you can understand it
if you try.... Or ... you can be like the class room clown and try to
make jokes about everything the teacher tries to teach the class. Some
of the kids will join in with you and distract the other kids so they
will have a hard time learning what they are supposed to learn. If
that be the case, you will not make it to the next higher grade.
Herman
>
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Rev 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These
things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art
rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and
are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold,
the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried;
and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death,
and I will give thee a crown of life.
Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto
the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second
death.
alextangent
>
> To be continued.
Please, must you keep up this stupidity?
alextangent
... To die, to sleep;
To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil...
Rolf
Ah, the ancient pastime of numerology.
Derivates of the Zodiac.
Twelve 'tribes' of Israel, twelve patriarchs, twelve sons of Jacob, twelve
disciples...
http://mjjparty.com/09/biblical-and-christian-numerology/
Such facts are strong evidence that the fairytales in the Bible are indeed
that.
Numbers like forty, and especially twelve are of course very relevant for
myth building and not indicative of some divine intervention in mundane
affairs.
A special treat for Herman:
By the end of the 19th century some interest was awakened when in an ancient
Syrian hand-script the following text was discovered: "Jacob begat Joseph,
Joseph to whom Mary, the virgin, was engaged - begat Jesus. Many wanted to
see that as evidence that the virgin birth was something that had been added
later in the history of Christendom. Even Paul seems not to have known about
it. But the account of the miraculous conception and birth of Jesus is not
affected by these words in the Syrian script, for all the rest of the
chapter remains unchanged. The most likely explanation is that the copying
scribe just mechanically repeated the same syntax as he already had been
using 39 times before in the family tree.
The Biblical account of the wondrous virgin birth that belonged within the
frame of the great divine characters probably stems from the apocrypha of
late Judaism and the sects behind them - a concept that they most likely had
adopted from other religions. It is a certainty that they had the old
traditions behind them in the near Orient.
If the birth of Jesus and all that is connected with it had been
supernatural in nature, it seems quite impossible to understand that his
mother and closest associates did not acknowledge his divine nature. On the
contrary, they thought he was mad.
Christ did not correspond with the Jews' official concept of Messiah;
therefore they have never recognized him as such. The Messiah of Christendom
is lord of a world of Spirit and in the Kingdom of God that is in each and
every one of us.
The shape given to the character in the New Testament probably has a
number of different sources. The society behind "The New Pact" did for
example not expect him as a descendant of David.
At a certain time the Jews had two different expectations of Messiah. One
was the concept of Messiah as the son of David - Messiah ben David - an
earthly, literal ruler. This expectation lives on in Judaism.
The other Messiah-concept in particular related to the Northern kingdom,
was the expectation of the Anointed as the Son of Joseph - Messiah ben
Joseph - a concept that soon disappeared from official Judaism
But just this version must have found its way into Christendom, possibly via
some mystery sect. It is worth noting that Jesus is said to stem form the
heathen Galilee - from the Northern kingdom.
Many parallels can be found between the legend of Joseph and the life of
Jesus - traits that are too numerous for them to be just a coincidence.
*
Jesus had 12 apostles, and later the 70 disciples were sent out - something
that goes back to the cosmic heroes of the Zodiac, the tribes of Israel, the
"elders" of the nation, and the number of peoples. When Judah falls away,
Matthias is first chosen in his place - later, Paul arrives as the 13th.
Jacob's sons counted 12. When Jacob went to Egypt with his entire house,
there were 70 souls altogether. Joseph's two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim
become included among the brothers. When Joseph dies, the number becomes
13. Also here, two are added to the original number - and the sum is the
same, 13.
Joseph was an interpreter of dreams - of symbols - One-who-reveals-secrets
as he also was called. Jesus often spoke in parables and images that he
translated and interpreted. Both had insight into the world of symbols.
And they became themselves symbols.
*
Joseph was sold for 20 shekel of silver - as suggested by Judah. Jesus was
betrayed by Judas - the Greek form of Judah - for 30 pieces of gold. The
different numbers probably are significant for succeeding steps of
development. Joseph and his work is in the domain of the soul and the
material world - corn was his means of liberation. Jesus and his world are
at the spiritual level. Thought - spirit - has become conscious road to
salvation and decisive reality. This is underscored also by Jesus, according
to legend, being placed in a manger. Corn - the plant - is replaced by Man.
Joseph was thrown in the empty well that became the entrance to
glorification. Jesus was placed in an empty crypt at Calvary, the name of
the roof of the skull covering the brain. Jesus and his teaching therefore
lie entirely on the level of spirit. Man's consciousness and soul have
become alpha and omega.
*
Both Jesus' birth and death are connected with the name of Joseph, since the
crypt belonged to a Joseph of Aramitea, Joseph and his father both went to
Egypt - as did also Jesus and hid father. This heavy emphasis on the
Nile-country expresses a unity between Judaism, Christendom, Egyptian
mystery religion and the monotheism that had its origins in Egypt. We may
remember that Joseph was married to the daughter of the high priest in the
city of the Sun - Heliopolis -On.
*
Joseph was preferred before his brothers by his father. Among other things,
he was given a royal robe. Jesus for his part stood in a particular and
loving son-relationship with his heavenly father. Also the robe of Jesus was
particular. It was without seams - woven as one piece - the symbol of
spiritual coherence and unity of the soul. The robe of Jesus did not look
like the emperor's - his kingdom was not of this world.
*
Joseph went obediently to his brothers in Sikem, even if he knew the
dangers - a parallel to Jesus trip to Jerusalem. For both of them, blood was
used as evidence for their death; Joseph's bloody, torn robe was shown to
his father. And blood and water flooded out of the wound of the Saviour.
*
In Reuben's speech of defence one may recognize Pilate. Ruben, as the oldest
of the brothers should have been in command in the same way as Pilate had
command over Jesus - as representative of the Roman Empire.
*
Joseph resisted the temptations of Potifar's wife - a theme being the main
motif of a very popular and widely read Egyptian fairytale.
Nor did Jesus fall when tempted by the devil. But it may be noted that the
temptation facing Jesus was of an entirely different character - spiritual
values were at stake.
*
Both Joseph and Jesus were imprisoned and accused of crimes of which they
were innocent. The one was imprisoned for 3 years; the other spent 3 days -
a number probably related to the cycles of the moon. It takes 3 days from
the smallest no to the newest new. In the prison, Joseph met pharaoh's
cupbearer and baker. One was released to freedom; the other killed and hung
on a tree. We recognize the two bandits on the cross - one would be going to
paradise. That the cupbearer was to survive must be because he represented
wine - the spiritual principle. In earlier times it was thought that there
was a spirit - spiritus - that cause the particular effect.
On the other hand, the baker symbolising the material - corn must perish.
Further development would continue with the great successor to Joseph.
*
Both Joseph and Jesus begin their work at 30, probably as an expression of
maturity (both 3 and 30 also signify potency). For both of them, debasement
and suffering became the starting point and the road to glory. Joseph also
was called Zofnat- Paneah, - the World's saviour, a title also applied to
Jesus. The two saviours both were thought to be dead. But death was not
real - it was of a symbolic nature. "Death" was a necessary prerequisite for
the ensuing glory.
*
Joseph was of a forgiving nature; he did not return the evil of his
brothers.. It was also a principle of Jesus to break the power of evil by
meeting it with love and understanding.
Joseph's identity was long held hidden from the brothers until he gave
himself away to them. It also lasted long before Jesus revealed to them his
identity - as Messiah.
*
There is in the legend of Joseph also an element of a consciously arranged
accusation - leading to "arrest" - "trial" - and clarification with a
consolidation of the house of Jacob with joy - a parallel to what took place
at Jesus' death. We refer to the account of how a silver beaker was placed
in the bag of one of the brothers at his departure from Egypt.
The travelling party was apprehended - ransacked - the whole party was
returned - with the ensuing result.
................
But that is of course not myths but history repeating itself down to the
smallest detail? Or are we witnessing the evolution of a religion? Myths are
nothing for mankind to be ashamed of, but it would be of great help if their
origins - and especially their meaning, would be inderstood and
acknowledged.
David Hare-Scott
Was that a yes or a no?
D
Frank J
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baby! It's got cache up the yin-yang!"
Bob Casanova
appeared in talk.origins, posted by alextangent
<bl...@rivadpm.com>:
I'd have left off everything after the parentheses; the
concept of not living long enough to die is...interesting,
regardless of who turns up at the time.
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Herman
Herman
> > > things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
> > > rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and
> > > are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
> > > the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried;
> > > and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death,
> > > and I will give thee a crown of life.
> > > the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second
> > > death.
>
> > Was that a yes or a no?
>
> > D- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Not sure, but he does seem to be saying about 7: "Oh, it's got cache,
>
> - Show quoted text -
All we have been talking about is the 7 seeds of man. (SEVEN SEEDS OF
MAN) Seven golden candle sticks= the seven seeds of man. Seven spirits
of God= the seven seeds of man. Seven mentioned on the ark of Noah=
the seven seeds of man. It's all wide open for research. If you want
to do something worth while, now's your chance.
Herman
>
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> >>> Do you think that the incubation periods of birds' eggs are all a
> >>> multiple of seven days? Is it related to this bit of numerology you
> >>> have here? If so how?
I don't see anyplace here where anyone said anything about incubation
of birds eggs. Do you?
The eggs of the potato bug hatch in 7 days but not bird eggs. Why do
you ask?
Herman
>
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Luke 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was
laid at his gate, full of sores,
Luke 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the
rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried
by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was
buried;
Luke 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and
seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luke 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me,
and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and
cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luke 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime
receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now
he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Luke 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great
gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot;
neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Luke 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou
wouldest send him to my father's house:
Luke 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them,
lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luke 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets;
let them hear them.
Luke 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto
them from the dead, they will repent.
Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the
prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the
dead.
Friar Broccoli
period?
Or perhaps he was wondering how a pigeon's egg could hatch in the
ocean?
Or possibly he was wondering how the resulting chick survived until it
was old enough to fly?
Herman
> On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:27:15 -0700 (PDT), the following
> appeared in talk.origins, posted by alextangent
>
> >In the "Nearly Shakespeare" category
>
> >... To die, to sleep;
> >To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
> >For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
> >When we have shuffled off this mortal coil...
>
> >> One day when you are on your death
> >> bed, (If you live that long) you might find yourself face to face with
> >> Satan.
>
> I'd have left off everything after the parentheses; the
> concept of not living long enough to die is...interesting,
> regardless of who turns up at the time.
> --
>
> Bob C.
>
> "Evidence confirming an observation is
> evidence that the observation is wrong."
> � � � � � � � � � � � � � - McNameless
I watched a man dieing in the hospital one time and he was in torment.
My wife asked him to ask Jesus to help him and straight away he was at
peace. He died about 7=8 hours later in silence. Who knows what goes
on, on your death bed. One thing is for sure if we live that long to
get to our death bed (and don't die by the hand of someone that hates
our guts), we will all find out.
Then we will see who was right and who was wrong. That will be
interesting to us all.
Steven L.
news:c40e0ae5-61c1-498b...@f6g2000vbm.googlegroups.com:
die peacefully in your own bed. IOW, something unexpected will take
your life suddenly.
-- Steven L.
Herman
That's why we are here, to see what we accept as truth and fiction.
One day soon we will all stand before God and explain to him why we
accepted what we did as Truth. I will be happy to say that I accepted
the Bible as my Truth and that I did my best to try to explain it to
as many people as I could.
I would really hate to tell God that... " Such facts are strong
Herman
Who is "He"? ... and who are you talking to? ... What are you
saying? ... Are you tring to be cool?
Herman
Your right ! We sould not have to listen to stupidity.. Why don't you
leave?
Herman
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Herman
Biblical numerology or Christian numerology refers to the study of how
numbers are used in the Bible. The two most commonly used numbers in
the Bible are the numbers 7 and 40.
The number 7 is seen as being representative of perfection or
completion. This number is often referred to as God’s number due to
the fact that He is considered the only one to be perfect and
complete.
Years ago, I traced the lineage of Jesus Christ all the way from Adam.
It was a long chart and each person in the blood line was named and
the child was named that the seed went through to the next generation.
This list of people start with Adam and go all the way through the
Bible to Joseph and Mary. The whole Bible is a story of the 7 seeds
that produced Jesus.
The seed is like lost knowledge. When I first read the translation
from cover to cover back in the early 70's, I noticed that the people
of long ago talked about the seed as if it was common knowledge. You
never hear the term today. When you mention the seed on the Christian
chat, people will say, "What seed?" This trend opens up the knowledge
of the seed.
When I read the translation from cover to cover, I made it a point
to try to read every word. I was very careful to mark the place where
I finished reading each time so that I could continue on from where I
left off. When I got to Chapter 5 in Genesis, I hated to read all of
those “Begat’s”. I could not pronounce the names of those people and
it took everything I had to read that chapter. It was so hard to read
that it made me think that this has to a trick of Satan to get me to
skip over it. … Sure enough, it turned out to be one of the most
important places in the Bible. It finally dawned on me what the seed
was and years later, I connected it with the blood of Jesus.
I doubt if most of you will know how important the seed is because
the Bible says, …
1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit
of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
because they are spiritually discerned.
Friar Broccoli
> On Oct 11, 7:10 pm, Friar Broccoli <elia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 11, 7:51 pm, Herman <Dusty55...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > On Oct 11, 6:35 pm, Herman <Dusty55...@aol.com> wrote:
.
> > > > On Oct 11, 6:07 am, "David Hare-Scott" <sec...@nospam.com> wrote:
> > > > >>> Do you think that the incubation periods of birds' eggs are all a
> > > > >>> multiple of seven days? Is it related to this bit of numerology you
> > > > >>> have here? If so how?
.
> > > I don't see anyplace here where anyone said anything about incubation
> > > of birds eggs. Do you?
> > > The eggs of the potato bug hatch in 7 days but not bird eggs. Why do
> > > you ask?
.
> > Maybe he thought 450 million years was a tad long for an incubation
> > period?
> > Or perhaps he was wondering how a pigeon's egg could hatch in the
> > ocean?
> > Or possibly he was wondering how the resulting chick survived until it
> > was old enough to fly?
.
> Who is "He"?
David Hare-Scott
> ... and who are you talking to?
You.
> ... What are you saying?
Aren't you claiming that during the Paleocene, birds hatched out of
eggs that God had planted in the ocean 450 million years earlier - or
did I misunderstand?
> ... Are you tring to be cool?
No.
David Hare-Scott
>> God's accuracy may be observed in the hatching of eggs.
>> For example, the eggs of the potato bug hatch in 7 days.
>> Those of the canary in 14 days.
>> Those of the barnyard hen in 21 days.
>> The eggs of ducks and geese hatch in 28 days.
>> Those of the mallard in 35 days.
>> The eggs of the parrot and the ostrich hatch in 42 days.
>> (Notice, they are all divisible by Seven).
D
jillery
wrote:
life fearing hell, or fearing heaven even more. For whatever the
tortures of hell, I think the boredom of heaven would be even worse. "
Isaac Asimov
"I don't like to commit myself about heaven and hell - you see, I have
friends in both places. "
Mark Twain
"I hold it to be the inalienable right of anybody to go to hell in his
own way. "
Robert Frost
"A fool's paradise is a wise man's hell"
Thomas Fuller
"I am not afraid of death, I just don't want to be there when it
happens."
Woody Allen
"Get a life."
Jillery
alextangent
> On Oct 11, 7:47�pm, Herman <Dusty55...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 10, 11:20 pm, alextangent <b...@rivadpm.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 10, 6:11 pm, Herman <Dusty55...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > To be continued.
>
> > > Please, must you keep up this stupidity?
>
> > Your right ! We sould not have to listen to stupidity.. Why don't you
> > leave?
>
> What is Biblical Numerology?
>
> Biblical numerology or Christian numerology refers to the study of how
> numbers are used in the Bible. The two most commonly used numbers in
> the Bible are the numbers 7 and 40.
>
> The number 7 is seen as being representative of perfection or
> the fact that He is considered the only one to be perfect and
> complete.
>
> Years ago, I traced the lineage of Jesus Christ all the way from Adam.
> It was a long chart and each person in the blood line was named and
> the child was named that the seed went through to the next generation.
> This list of people start with Adam and go all the way through the
> Bible to Joseph and Mary. The whole Bible is a story of the 7 seeds
> that produced Jesus.
> from cover to cover back in the early 70's, I noticed that the people
> of long ago talked about the seed as if it was common knowledge. You
> never hear the term today. When you mention the seed on the Christian
> chat, people will say, "What seed?" This trend opens up the knowledge
> of the seed.
> to try to read every word. I was very careful to mark the place where
> I finished reading each time so that I could continue on from where I
> left off. When I got to Chapter 5 in Genesis, I hated to read all of
> it took everything I had to read that chapter. It was so hard to read
> that it made me think that this has to a trick of Satan to get me to
> important places in the Bible. It finally dawned on me what the seed
> was and years later, I connected it with the blood of Jesus.
> the Bible says, �
>
> 1 Cor 2:14 �But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit
> of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
> because they are spiritually discerned.
Herman, you're out of your tiny mind.
Rolf
> On Oct 11, 9:11 am, Frank J <f...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
>>>> art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are
>>>> Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
>>>> the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried;
>>>> and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto
>>>> death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
>>>> unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the
>>>> second death.
>>
>>> Was that a yes or a no?
>>
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>>
>> Not sure, but he does seem to be saying about 7: "Oh, it's got cache,
>> baby! It's got cache up the yin-yang!"- Hide quoted text -
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>
> All we have been talking about is the 7 seeds of man. (SEVEN SEEDS OF
> MAN) Seven golden candle sticks= the seven seeds of man. Seven spirits
> of God= the seven seeds of man. Seven mentioned on the ark of Noah=
> the seven seeds of man. It's all wide open for research. If you want
> to do something worth while, now's your chance.
That research project is tailor made for you my dear Herman.
Rolf
use of the spirit of Truth I gave to you. Instead you chose to believe the
nonsense people wrote about me.
> I would really hate to tell God that... " Such facts are strong
> evidence that the fairytales in the Bible are indeed
> that".
"I know, dear Rolf, you are a smart guy, not like Herman. How do ou like
your new harp? I'll get you a self powered vibraphone too if you want it."
Ernest Major
<2bbe0d76-902f-4c8a...@o35g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
Herman <Dusty...@aol.com> writes
you placed the words of men (the Bible and in particular interpretations
of the Bible; in your case it's particularly egregious as it's your own
interpretation) above what you, as a Christian, as supposed to believe
are the works of God?
And why are you so sanguine about the prospect of explaining to God why
you ignored the people who explained that you were mangling reality and
mangling the Bible, and that by doing so you were effectively arguing
that Christianity was false?
And why are you sanguine about the prospect of explaining to God why you
further discredited your argument (if that be possible) by argumentum ad
baculum (as above) and argumentum ad hominem (as before)? If you're
argument doesn't stand on it's own merits it can't be improved by
threatening people with God. (Isn't that blasphemy?)
> I would really hate to tell God that... " Such facts are strong
>evidence that the fairytales in the Bible are indeed
> that".
>
alias Ernest Major
Bob Casanova
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Herman
<Dusty...@aol.com>:
>On Oct 11, 4:01 pm, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off> wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:27:15 -0700 (PDT), the following
>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by alextangent
>> <b...@rivadpm.com>:
>>
>> >In the "Nearly Shakespeare" category
>>
>> >... To die, to sleep;
>> >To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
>> >For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
>> >When we have shuffled off this mortal coil...
>>
>> >> One day when you are on your death
>> >> bed, (If you live that long) you might find yourself face to face with
>> >> Satan.
>>
>> I'd have left off everything after the parentheses; the
>> concept of not living long enough to die is...interesting,
>> regardless of who turns up at the time.
>I watched a man dieing in the hospital one time and he was in torment.
>My wife asked him to ask Jesus to help him and straight away he was at
>peace. He died about 7=8 hours later in silence. Who knows what goes
>on, on your death bed. One thing is for sure if we live that long to
>get to our death bed (and don't die by the hand of someone that hates
>our guts), we will all find out.
So by "on your death bed" you meant a literal bed, rather
than a metaphor for "about to die"? Does that allow for camp
cots and hammocks? How about recliners and chaise longues?
>Then we will see who was right and who was wrong. That will be
>interesting to us all.
Perhaps. But soon enough all of us will either know or not.
Rolf
Rolf
[snip]
> Years ago, I traced the lineage of Jesus Christ all the way from Adam.
> It was a long chart and each person in the blood line was named and
> the child was named that the seed went through to the next generation.
> This list of people start with Adam and go all the way through the
> Bible to Joseph and Mary. The whole Bible is a story of the 7 seeds
> that produced Jesus.
[snip]
Rolf
Herman
Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David,
the son of Abraham.
Mat 1:2 Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat
Judas and his brethren;
Mat 1:3 And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat
Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
Mat 1:4 And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and
Naasson begat Salmon;
Mat 1:5 And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth;
and Obed begat Jesse;
Mat 1:6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat
Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
Mat 1:7 And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia
begat Asa;
Mat 1:8 And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram
begat Ozias;
Mat 1:9 And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz
begat Ezekias;
Mat 1:10 And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and
Amon begat Josias;
Mat 1:11 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time
they were carried away to Babylon:
Mat 1:12 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat
Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
Mat 1:13 And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and
Eliakim begat Azor;
Mat 1:14 And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat
Eliud;
Mat 1:15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and
Matthan begat Jacob;
Mat 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born
Jesus, who is called Christ.
Mat 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen
generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are
fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto
Christ are fourteen generations.
Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his
mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was
found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing
to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.
Mat 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of
the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of
David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is
conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Why would the writer of the book of Matthew go through all of that
trouble to research the linage of Joseph if Joseph was not a part of
the blood of Jesus Christ? Why would it even be in the Bible?
Can you explain what this sentence means? "Joseph, thou son of
David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is
conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." I would love to hear your
explanation.
Herman
"WE" already know?.. are you pregnant?.. If you are then that might
explain a lot of things.
Herman
Rev 2:12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These
things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
Rev 2:13 I know thy works and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's
seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith,
even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was
slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
Rev 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast
there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast
a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things
sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
Rev 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the
Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will
fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto
the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden
manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name
written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
wiki trix
> On Oct 12, 4:14 pm, "Rolf" <rolf.aalb...@tele2.no> wrote:
>
> > Herman wrote:
>
> > [snip]
>
> > > Years ago, I traced the lineage of Jesus Christ all the way from Adam.
> > > It was a long chart and each person in the blood line was named and
> > > the child was named that the seed went through to the next generation.
> > > This list of people start with Adam and go all the way through the
> > > Bible to Joseph and Mary. The whole Bible is a story of the 7 seeds
> > > that produced Jesus.
>
> > Joseph in the lineage of Jesus? Please explain.
>
> > [snip]
>
> the son of Abraham.
> Mat 1:2 嚙璀braham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat
> Judas and his brethren;
> Mat 1:3 嚙璀nd Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat
> Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;
> Naasson begat Salmon;
> Mat 1:5 嚙璀nd Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth;
> and Obed begat Jesse;
> Mat 1:6 嚙璀nd Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat
> Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;
> begat Asa;
> Mat 1:8 嚙璀nd Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram
> begat Ozias;
> Mat 1:9 嚙璀nd Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz
> begat Ezekias;
> Mat 1:10 嚙璀nd Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and
> Amon begat Josias;
> Mat 1:11 嚙璀nd Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time
> they were carried away to Babylon:
> Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;
> Eliakim begat Azor;
> Mat 1:14 嚙璀nd Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat
> Eliud;
> Mat 1:15 嚙璀nd Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and
> Matthan begat Jacob;
> Mat 1:16 嚙璀nd Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born
> Jesus, who is called Christ.
> generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are
> fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto
> Christ are fourteen generations.
> mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was
> found with child of the Holy Ghost.
> to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.
> the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of
> David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is
> conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
>
> Why would the writer of the book of Matthew go through all of that
> trouble to research the linage of Joseph if Joseph was not a part of
> the blood of Jesus Christ?
The problem here is obvious. If Jesus was in fact "conceived in her of
the Holy Ghost" (whatever the hell that would mean), that is "before
they (i.e. Joseph and Mary) came together (i.e. fucked)" then Joseph
was clearly not in any sense "part of the blood of Jesus Christ" (i.e.
the biological father, I figure) of Jesus. The only way around this is
if Joseph was an ancestor of Mary... OK, perhaps her father? That
would fit the rest of the bible I guess.
> Why would it even be in the Bible?
Because the bible is stupid. Why is anything in the bible? They should
have done what the Church of Ziontology 2.0 did and have their holy
book contain nothing but upside down empty pages.
> Can you explain what this sentence means? "Joseph, thou son of
> David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is
> conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."
It means that Joseph is a fool for believing it.
> I would love to hear your explanation.
Enjoy.
Herman
> On Oct 12, 8:42 pm, Herman <Dusty55...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 12, 4:11 pm, "Rolf" <rolf.aalb...@tele2.no> wrote:
>
> > > Herman wrote:
> > > > On Oct 10, 11:20 pm, alextangent <b...@rivadpm.com> wrote:
> > > >> On Oct 10, 6:11 pm, Herman <Dusty55...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>> To be continued.
>
> > > >> Please, must you keep up this stupidity?
>
> > > > Your right ! We sould not have to listen to stupidity.. Why don't you
> > > > leave?
>
> > > We don't listen to your stupdity, we reply without reading. We already know.
>
> > "WE" already know?.. are you pregnant?.. If you are then that might
> > explain a lot of things.
>
> things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
> seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith,
> even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was
> slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
> there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast
> a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things
> sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
> Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
> fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
> the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden
> manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name
>
> - Show quoted text -
Rev 2:18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These
things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of
fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
Rev 2:19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and
thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because
thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess,
to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat
things sacrificed unto idols.
Rev 2:21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she
repented not.
Rev 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit
adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their
deeds.
Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the
churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts:
and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Rev 2:24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many
as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of
Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
Rev 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end,
to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of
a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my
Father.
Rev 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.
Rev 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto
the churches.
Herman
> On Oct 12, 9:07 pm, Herman <Dusty55...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 12, 8:42 pm, Herman <Dusty55...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 12, 4:11 pm, "Rolf" <rolf.aalb...@tele2.no> wrote:
>
> > > > Herman wrote:
> > > > > On Oct 10, 11:20 pm, alextangent <b...@rivadpm.com> wrote:
> > > > >> On Oct 10, 6:11 pm, Herman <Dusty55...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >>> To be continued.
>
> > > > >> Please, must you keep up this stupidity?
>
> > > > > Your right ! We sould not have to listen to stupidity.. Why don't you
> > > > > leave?
>
> > > > We don't listen to your stupdity, we reply without reading. We already know.
>
> > > "WE" already know?.. are you pregnant?.. If you are then that might
> > > explain a lot of things.
>
> > things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
> > seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith,
> > even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was
> > slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
> > there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast
> > a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things
> > sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
> > Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
> > fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
> > the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden
> > manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name
> > written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of
> fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
> thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
> thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess,
> to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat
> things sacrificed unto idols.
> repented not.
> Rev 2:22 嚙畿ehold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit
> adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their
> deeds.
> churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts:
> and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
> as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of
> Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
> Rev 2:26 嚙璀nd he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end,
> to him will I give power over the nations:
> a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my
> Father.
> Rev 2:29 嚙瘡e that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto
> the churches.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Rev 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These
things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven
stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and
art dead.
Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are
ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold
fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on
thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon
thee.
Rev 3:4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled
their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are
worthy.
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white
raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but
I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Rev 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto
the churches.
alextangent
bibble:
> On Oct 12, 10:28 pm, Herman <Dusty55...@aol.com> posted more of the bibble:
> > On Oct 12, 9:07 pm, Herman <Dusty55...@aol.com> posted yet more stuff from the bibble:
> > > On Oct 12, 8:42 pm, Herman <Dusty55...@aol.com> cut&paste more bibble dribble:
[snipped]
Herman, I thought I'd tell a joke to help illustrate the point that
you really need to get your frame of reference sorted. It's now a
communication problem you've got, and posting bible verses is failing
to get your point across.
A man is stumbling through the woods, totally drunk, when he comes
upon a preacher baptizing people in the river. He proceeds to walk
into the water and subsequently bumps into the preacher. The preacher
turns around and is almost overcome by the smell of alcohol, whereupon
he asks the drunk, "Are you ready to find Jesus?" The drunk answers,
"Yes, I am." So the preacher grabs him and dunks him in the water. He
pulls him up and asks the drunk, "Brother have you found Jesus?" The
drunk replies, "No, I haven't found Jesus." The preacher shocked at
the answer, dunks him into the water again for a little longer. He
again pulls him out of the water and asks again, "Have you found Jesus
my brother?" The drunk again answers, "No, I haven't found Jesus." By
this time the preacher is at his wits end and dunks the drunk in the
water again --- but this time holds him down for about 30 seconds and
when he begins kicking his arms and legs he pulls him up. The preacher
again asks the drunk, "For the love of God have you found Jesus?" The
drunk wipes his eyes and catches his breath and says to the preacher,
"Are you sure this is where he fell in?"
jillery
wrote:
>On Oct 12, 4:11�pm, "Rolf" <rolf.aalb...@tele2.no> wrote:
Perhaps he conceived by the Holy Spirit :)
jillery
<wiki...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Oct 12, 6:37�pm, Herman <Dusty55...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Can you explain what this sentence means? "Joseph, thou son of
>> David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is
>> conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."
>
>It means that Joseph is a fool for believing it.
Perhap Joseph realized it was his best chance to get into the history
books. After all, nobody remembers Jaime Popov :)
RichD
> have a lot of years of Bible study and I have found the Bible to be
> true. In fact, I never in my life have disagreed with anything in the
> bible. If I don't understand some parts, I just say, "I don't
> understand that yet, maybe later on down the road I will."
Totally.
Basically, what I have found, is that people who
lived a long time ago, were smarter than us,
lived longer and healthier and more porsperously,
I let them do my thinking.. It seems to be a fact
of nature, that each gemeration is dumber than
the one before, as the sum total of human knowledge
decreases.
--
Rich
Rolf
How does Joseph taking Mary for his wife make him part of Jesus' lineage?
To make it clear: Joseph marrying, even f**king Mary after God alread had
impregnated her didn't make him an ancestor of Jesus.
Same thing if my wife had been pregnant when I married her, no matter how
much f**king I could have done would have made me a part of her baby. Only
an insane person would attribute anything of the baby to me.
M;ake up your mind, is Jesus the Son of God, or of Joseph?
Rolf
No need to attempt funny, dear Herman. Irony, you know. A way of telling you
that all of us know, we know all about you, all about what you have got to
say even before you have said it. That's because we all know the likes you.
They have a unique, unmistakable signature.
We knew you before you blessed this forum with your appearance, and you'll
soon be gone again; you'll never make it to prophet here. You know what
Jesus said about that? You haven't got what it takes. Learn to live with it.
Rolf
Since you haven't even made an attempt at commenting on the very detailed
account of my reply here, I repeat it.
What do you make of it? Is all just funny coincidences, or is there
soemthing more to it?P Coem on, you are a bibble thumper, you must have an
opinion?
Rolf
Rolf wrote:
>> armor you will have against Satan. One day when you are on your death
>> bed, (If you live that long) you might find yourself face to face
> nature. On the contrary, they thought he was mad.
Glenn
"Rolf" <rolf.a...@tele2.no> wrote in message
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deadrat
The answer is that He's both, the Son of God and the Son of man.
Are you seriously trying to argue rationally about the consequences of the
impregnation of Mary by a Holy Ghost? Once you've accepted the premise of such
an entity (for purposes of argument), then it's possible to reach any conclusion
you want. Perhaps there was some sort of spermic transubstantiation by which
the Holy Ghost used Joseph's sperm to get Jesus' chromosomal count correct and
His genetic lineage in order.
Even if Joseph didn't have actual sex with Mary during their espousal but before
their marriage. (And no snickering there in the back!)
I think a better argument is that there's strong evidence that, in fact,
Salathiel did not beget Zorobabel, so the whole lineage thing falls apart right
there. Who would name their kid Zorobabel anyway?
Except maybe Frank Zappa. And even he, ....
Wait a minute. Do you suppose that Frank Zappa, ....?
No, no. That would be crazy.
Herman
I thought that I explained why I was going to post the characteristics
of the seven seeds.
I did.. You just did not bother to read it.
This is taken from post number 16 �The characteristics of each of the
7
seeds are listed here. You might
see your seed if you read all the characteristics and you might see
your wife's seed or your son or daughter. I will list one a day, or
you can look them up in the book of Revelation and study them on your
own.
There are a lot of people who do not own a Christian Bible (About
66.6% of the world today are the antichrist and do not accept Jesus as
their sacrifice) That is why I�m posting the scriptures and too, so
that people can see that I am not making up stuff as I go along. The
antichrist are like the guy you mentioned who thought the preacher was
wanting him to search for a person that drowned.
By the way, thanks for the joke, it reminds me of a lot of people
that I know.
Herman
>
> - Show quoted text -
Jesus said a lot of things and so did the writers of the Bible. Jesus
said one thing that stuck in my mind about a lot of people walking
around on this earth today who think they are holy.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in
thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart
from me, ye that work iniquity.
Here is another thing that stuck in my mind about know-it-alls.
1 Cor 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the
spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely
given to us of God.
1 Cor 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's
wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing
spiritual things with spiritual.
1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit
of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Cor 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he
himself is judged of no man.
Herman
> 7
> seeds are listed here. You might
> see your seed if you read all the characteristics and you might see
> your wife's seed or your son or daughter. I will list one a day, or
> you can look them up in the book of Revelation and study them on your
> own.
>
> There are a lot of people who do not own a Christian Bible �(About
> 66.6% of the world today are the antichrist and do not accept Jesus as
> that people can see that I am not making up stuff as I go along. The
> antichrist are like the guy you mentioned who thought the preacher was
> wanting him to search for a person that drowned.
> � � By the way, thanks for the joke, it reminds me of a lot of people
>
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Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write;
These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the
beginning of the creation of God;
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I
would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot,
I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods,
and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and
miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that
thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed,
and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine
eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous
therefore, and repent.
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my
voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with
him, and he with me.
Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my
throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his
throne.
Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto
the churches.
Herman
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The bottom line is, NO ONE KNOWS. Not the Catholic Church or a Holy
Roller Church, NO ONE KNOWS. ... Including you or I. ... The Bible
says that Jesus was sent by God and we know that from the blood line
of Mary that she came from Adam. So it will be safe to say that Jesus
was sent through Adam into the world. That would make him the son of
man but he came out of God so he is also the son of God. However, we
are all the offspring of God because we all evolved from his laws of
nature (Which is a part of him) but it's up to God if he wants to
claim us for a son or not. The point being, Jesus never sinned, so he
did claim Jesus.
If you trace the blood line you will also see that both Joseph and
Mary came from King David. Mary came from Solomon and Joseph came from
Nathan. Both Joseph and Nathan were the sons of David so Jesus was the
son of David. The Bible don't say a thing about Jesus being a son of
David and also JOE SMOE.. Just David.
It also says that Jesus was the son of Abraham.. NOW THINK... Joseph
came from Abraham and Joseph was mentioned in the blood line in
Matthew. So Jesus was the son of Abraham as well as David. There you
have good evidence of the seed.
Science did a study on the seed of man also. They do not call it a
seed, they list it as genes or some other scientific term. Their study
was 5000 years late because the seed was know at the time of Adam and
Eve.
Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called
his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed
instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
If you look on the cover of Newsweek magazine Feb 6, 2006, you will
see a picture of a woman's face. There is a DNA molecule separating
the right side from the left (an illustration). The right side of her
face is a modern day photograph in color. The left side of her face is
and old photo brownish in color with white and dark spots all over it
to show that it has aged with time. The meaning of the illustration
is, this woman has live in another time in the past and she now lives
again through her seed. That is the reason for the DNA molecule that
separates the two photos.
The Bible is full of stories about the seed but no one that I have
come in contact with has ever had any understanding of it. ( I have
been on the old scietific forum of Discovery for about 4 years as a
starter, then to Talk Origins for about 4 years, then to the Christian
chat for 11 years and now back on Talk Origins) So you could say that
I have talked with a train load of people over the years). Some said
that they have hear about the seed, but none really understood what it
was all about. It is a very important piece of information for
understanding and it is both scientific and Biblical. That is the
reason that I started this trend so that people who ARE interested can
follow along to pick up on the understanding. A question that might
pop into your mind is, How did the people of Biblical times (even Adam
and Eve), know about the seed? .. Maybe God made it clear to them?
Then,.. who comes here?.. the same know-it-alls that followed me
here from my other trend "Both Creation and Evolution" (Where they
made a fool out of themselves there also).
David Hare-Scott
> On Oct 11, 6:35 pm, Herman <Dusty55...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 10, 9:15 pm, "David Hare-Scott" <sec...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Herman wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my
>>>>>>> right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars
>>>>>>> are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven
>>>>>>> candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
>>
>>>>>>> might see your seed if you read all the characteristics and you
>>>>>>> might see your wife's seed or your son or daughter. I will list
>>>>>>> one a day, or you can look them up in the book of Revelation and
>>>>>>> study them on your own.
>>
>>
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>>
>>>> things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
>>>> Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou
>>>> art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are
>>>> Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
>>>> Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold,
>>>> the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried;
>>>> and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto
>>>> death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
>>>> Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith
>>>> unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the
>>>> second death.
>>
>>> Was that a yes or a no?
>>
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>
>>>>> multiple of seven days? Is it related to this bit of numerology
>>>>> you have here? If so how?
>
>
> of birds eggs. Do you?
> The eggs of the potato bug hatch in 7 days but not bird eggs. Why do
> you ask?
Why do you ask "why do you ask" when you are not going to respond to the
reply?
D
alextangent
questions all the way down?
David Hare-Scott
about the magic of the number seven are related. i am interested in an
exchange rather than being preached at.
David
Rolf
> seeds are listed here. You might
> see your seed if you read all the characteristics and you might see
> your wife's seed or your son or daughter. I will list one a day, or
> you can look them up in the book of Revelation and study them on your
> own.
>
> There are a lot of people who do not own a Christian Bible (About
> 66.6% of the world today are the antichrist and do not accept Jesus as
> antichrist are like the guy you mentioned who thought the preacher was
> wanting him to search for a person that drowned.
> By the way, thanks for the joke, it reminds me of a lot of people
> that I know.
Rolf
were?
A tricky question. You won't know for certain before it is too late. See you
there.
Rolf
I speak only for myself: NO, I am not!
I urge all readers to answer Herman's question. Maybe he'll read the wall
and go find a better
outlet for his sermons.
Rolf
Herman
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some could care less and some that go with the flow. God knows all
their hearts, Just like he did when Jesus walked the earth. If you're
in doubt about yourself start studying the Bible and maybe you can
find some things wrong that you can correct. That will not save you
from hell but maybe it will help you to turn your life around to
become a better person.
You have to quit worrying about other people and worry about
yourself. Other people don’t have a thing to do with what goes on
between you and God. Pointing your finger at me is not going to make
you look smart. (Maybe in your own eyes) When you point your finger at
me, there are three fingers pointing back at yourself.
God created all life from seed. Your seed is alive today but could
very well be cut off tomorrow.
alextangent
peculiar beliefs?
> You have to quit worrying about other people and worry about
> yourself. Other people don’t have a thing to do with what goes on
> between you and God. Pointing your finger at me is not going to make
> you look smart. (Maybe in your own eyes) When you point your finger at
> me, there are three fingers pointing back at yourself.
> God created all life from seed. Your seed is alive today but could
> very well be cut off tomorrow.
What happened to the science btw? This isn't alt.bibble.babble.
Glenn
"alextangent" <bl...@rivadpm.com> wrote in message
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> > You have to quit worrying about other people and worry about
> > yourself. Other people don’t have a thing to do with what goes on
> > between you and God. Pointing your finger at me is not going to make
> > you look smart. (Maybe in your own eyes) When you point your finger at
> > me, there are three fingers pointing back at yourself.
> > God created all life from seed. Your seed is alive today but could
> > very well be cut off tomorrow.
>
> Whatever that means.
>
off tomorrow. Sounds to me like he's got his thumb up his ass singing
cockadoodledo all the day long. It appears to make it difficult to think
straight.
Herman
> "alextangent" <b...@rivadpm.com> wrote in message
hell do we care, .....
Gangs don't show me much at all. Juvenile delinquents trying to act
tough and never heard of the seed..
The only fight they have ever been is was with their sister and their
sisters beat the crap out of them.
alextangent
stuff, and spend a good proportion of their lives beating it out of
themselves.
> The only fight they have ever been is was with their sister and their
> sisters beat the crap out of them.
David Hare-Scott
>>
>> No one knows that but God. ... However, ... There is some that try
>> and some could care less and some that go with the flow. God knows
>> all their hearts, Just like he did when Jesus walked the earth. If
>> you're in doubt about yourself start studying the Bible and maybe
>> you can find some things wrong that you can correct. That will not
>> save you from hell but maybe it will help you to turn your life
>> around to become a better person.
>
> Why do you think he's a bad person because he doesn't have your very
> peculiar beliefs?
>
everybody but bona fide saints - and he might give some of them a nudge.
I believe him when he says that taking up religion made him a better person
but not the unwarranted extension where everybody must do the same as he
did. We all find our own way and despite his advancing years (or possibly
because of it) he hasn't worked out yet that life pathways are not like
supermarket socks where one size fits all.
>> You have to quit worrying about other people and worry about
>> yourself. Other people don’t have a thing to do with what goes on
>> between you and God. Pointing your finger at me is not going to make
>> you look smart. (Maybe in your own eyes) When you point your finger
>> at me, there are three fingers pointing back at yourself.
>> God created all life from seed. Your seed is alive today but could
>> very well be cut off tomorrow.
>
> Whatever that means.
>
> What happened to the science btw? This isn't alt.bibble.babble.
switch.
David
David Hare-Scott
haven't been paying attention.
D
Rolf
Dont' worry about us, we are doing fine. You are not one iota better than
us, so how can you possibly think that we need improvement. Do you need
improvement?
Glenn
"Herman" <Dusty...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Glenn
"David Hare-Scott" <sec...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> >>
> >> No one knows that but God. ... However, ... There is some that try
> >> and some could care less and some that go with the flow. God knows
> >> all their hearts, Just like he did when Jesus walked the earth. If
> >> you're in doubt about yourself start studying the Bible and maybe
> >> you can find some things wrong that you can correct. That will not
> >> save you from hell but maybe it will help you to turn your life
> >> around to become a better person.
> >
> > Why do you think he's a bad person because he doesn't have your very
> > peculiar beliefs?
> >
>
> Herman is holier than Rolf, holier than thou, holier than me and almost
> everybody but bona fide saints - and he might give some of them a nudge.
>
> I believe him when he says that taking up religion made him a better
person
> but not the unwarranted extension where everybody must do the same as he
> did. We all find our own way and despite his advancing years (or possibly
> because of it) he hasn't worked out yet that life pathways are not like
> supermarket socks where one size fits all.
>
him a better person, rather likely a time bomb. He doesn't seem smart enough
to ever know about socks.
Glenn
Herman
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it's all over your heads. Therefore your conversation is about how
holy I am and how holy you are. If you don't have enough sense to
understand about the seed, what can you do? You can't Google it up
because you don't know what Science calls it. You don't want to study
it in the Bible because that's the Bible. So what else can you do..
Just look stupid and make insults.... Exactly what your all doing.
While 99.9% of our genome is identical, it’s the variations found in
the 0.1 percent that distinguish us from each other. Geneticists study
the two parts of the genome that remain relatively unchanged as they
are passed down: the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), which is passed from
mother to children (but is only passed on through daughters), and Y-
chromosome DNA, which is passed down from father to sons.
Kleuskes & Moos
> On Oct 18, 1:27 am, "Rolf" <rolf.aalb...@tele2.no> wrote:
>> > You have to quit worrying about other people and worry about
>> > yourself.
>>
>> If only you would follow your own advice!
>>
>> Dont' worry about us, we are doing fine. You are not one iota better
>> than us, so how can you possibly think that we need improvement. Do you
>> need improvement?
>>
>> Other people don’t have a thing to do with what goes on
> So you clowns can't carry on a conversation about the seed because it's
> all over your heads.
part. It may just be a sign that your opinions and beliefs are not generally
shared.
> Therefore your conversation is about how holy I am
> and how holy you are.
> If you don't have enough sense to understand about
> the seed, what can you do? You can't Google it up because you don't know
> what Science calls it. You don't want to study it in the Bible because
> that's the Bible. So what else can you do.. Just look stupid and make
> insults.... Exactly what your all doing.
was it that said something about turning the other cheek? I forget...
> While 99.9% of our genome is identical, it’s the variations found in the
> 0.1 percent that distinguish us from each other.
education one received and the quality thereof tends to make rather a large
difference which is not reflected in the genome.
> Geneticists study the
> two parts of the genome that remain relatively unchanged as they are
> passed down: the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), which is passed from mother
> to children (but is only passed on through daughters), and Y- chromosome
> DNA, which is passed down from father to sons.
isn't restricted to mitochondrial DNA and/or the Y-chromosome. AFAIK their
favorite study objects are drosophila melanogaster and escherichia coli, not
homo sapiens sapiens.
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> If you don't have enough sense to
> understand about the seed, what can you do? You can't Google it up
> because you don't know what Science calls it. You don't want to study
> it in the Bible because that's the Bible. So what else can you do..
> Just look stupid and make insults.... Exactly what your all doing.
wildly unsuccessful here with your talk of "seed", and your continued
insistence that the holy babble is some kind of infallible basis for
scientific discourse?
Here's the facts, Herman.
. No-one here is evenly vaguely interested in your faith.
. Science operates without the bible.
. What Jesus thought about evolution is irrelevant.
Last but not least, my gods are more powerful at explaining the
universe than your puny, johnny-come-lately god.
>
> While 99.9% of our genome is identical, it’s the variations found in
> the 0.1 percent that distinguish us from each other. Geneticists study
> the two parts of the genome that remain relatively unchanged as they
> are passed down: the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA), which is passed from
> mother to children (but is only passed on through daughters), and Y-
> chromosome DNA, which is passed down from father to sons.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v3/n2/trace-family-history.
Easy spot; you don't normally get something half right.
Herman
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I'm sure there is more than one lifetime's study in the genes. You
don't understand it all and niter does anyone else. That's because it
is a design of God and his thoughts are higher than our thoughts. It
also shows that the universe did not start from a singularity like the
atheist community would LOVE to believe. (That would mean that they
are not going to end up with eternal life in a burning hell and would
not have to change their low-down ways)
The point being is... How did those people that lived thousands of
years ago, (who did not have microscopes or a large world wide
scientific community) have any knowledge of genes or what they called
the seed of man? It's just another subject that had to be handed down
from the creator himself just like the first Chapter of Genesis. We
are just now being able to understand what the writers of the Bible
was trying to tell us.
Some people get the word correction mixed up with bashing. (Some
people just hate correction period)Another persons personal choices do
not effect my life in any way. But... It is my obligation as a
Christian to try and correct them when I see that they are completely
ignorant and believing a ball face lie. I do admit that my patience
gets pretty short at times. No one wants to see anyone burn for
eternity no matter what they have done. I know that no one is holier
than anyone else and it is because of God's grace that we are saved
from eternal hell. The point being, we have to accept Jesus Christ as
our sacrifice or your hell bound automatically.
Jesus said....Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees,
hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye
neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to
go in.
The scribes and Pharisees were the over educated people of their
time. They twisted the truth and made up lies and the people that were
ignorant were gullible enough to swallow it hook line and sinker just
like they do the propaganda today.
Herman
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juvenile gang that's posting on my trends have any bearing on my
thoughts and beliefs? .. If you do, your even more stupid than I
thought. Anyone can Google if they know what to look for. I am the one
the one who give the date and name of the magazine that contained this
article.. All you did was Google it up. If your trying to make someone
think that you already knew about this then the person that believes
you does not have half a brain to start with.
For your small shell of a world, there is only one God and he is
made up of the laws of nature and love and has a son named Jesus
Christ. If you have any other god he is a false god and a false god
will lead you straight to hell... If your dumb enough to let yourself
be taken in by a lie, then don't try to say that I did not try to
warren you or that I withheld the Truth from you. God is our witness,
and he is going to be the one that you stand before to present your
case. ... You've already lost.
Ernest Major
<13f6b414-391d-491a...@a12g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
Herman <Dusty...@aol.com> writes
And why aren't you concerned about God's response to the effort you are
putting into discrediting Christianity?
--
alias Ernest Major
Glenn
alextangent
alextangent
on this trend[sic] will have any effect on our thoughts and beliefs?
If so, you're beyond stupid; you're brain dead.
> Anyone can Google if they know what to look for. I am the one
> the one who give the date and name of the magazine that contained this
> article.. All you did was Google it up. If your trying to make someone
> think that you already knew about this then the person that believes
> you does not have half a brain to start with.
> For your small shell of a world, there is only one God and he is
> made up of the laws of nature and love and has a son named Jesus
> Christ. If you have any other god he is a false god and a false god
> will lead you straight to hell...
sticky as the Devil's backside.
> If your dumb enough to let yourself
> be taken in by a lie, then don't try to say that I did not try to
> warren you or that I withheld the Truth from you.
> God is our witness,
> and he is going to be the one that you stand before to present your
> case. ... You've already lost.
Burkhard
> In message
> <13f6b414-391d-491a-b9d0-1163ea511...@a12g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
> Herman <Dusty55...@aol.com> writes
might need to use John Wilkin's name in vain - remember the discussion
on Plantigna and whether or not believing evolutionary t beneficial
propositions is "truth tracking"? Depending in the size of the stick,
accepting arguments ad baculum seems an evolutionary advantageous
strategy, so why don't we?
Herman
> In message
> <13f6b414-391d-491a-b9d0-1163ea511...@a12g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
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Earle Jones
<13f6b414-391d-491a...@a12g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
Herman <Dusty...@aol.com> wrote:
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>
> What a small shell you live in. Do you think for any moment that this
> juvenile gang that's posting on my trends have any bearing on my
> thoughts and beliefs?
What's a "trend", Herman?
earle
*
alextangent
hardly seems like a baculum. He might as well be shouting "If you
don't stop using the supermarket, the local butcher will go out of
business!" to a vegetarian. Now, if he invited himself round to my
place and started waving his fists at me, then perhaps. But this is
Usenet. It's about as real as heaven or hell.
Herman
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Herman
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one knows how close. It could be the next second, or the next minute,
or the next hour, or the next day, or the next year, etc. The moment
you die, its all over, no more choices for you.