OT: R.I.P. J.D. Salinger
Mitchell Coffey
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
Mitchell Coffey
Kleuskes & Moos
I heard it. Time to read "The Catcher in the Rye" again as a fitting
farewell to a great author.
Ray Martinez
He's an on-fire Creationist, now.
Ray
Kleuskes & Moos
Disgusting...
Mitchell Coffey
My 15 year old son just read and enthused about it a few months ago.
It's still assigned in high schools. I re-read it when I was 30, back
in Reagan's first term, expecting to be disappointed by a book I'd
read when Lyndon Johnson was President. I wasn't.
I had a similar experience recently with To Kill a Mockingbird, which
I'd also read when I was 15. Both my kids had read it in school, and
loved it, and there was a piece on it in the New Yorker last summer,
asserting that it was contrary to reputation racially reactionary. I
re-read it, then, a month ago, discovering the New Yorker article had
been lame. Discussions with my family after the re-read made me
determine to read Catcher again. I must now hurry up and get to it.
I happen to respect Salinger for his avoidance of the public, which is
presented in the US as suggestive of mental instability. Reminds me
of comments by other creative types who are similarly suspect. Gary
Trudeau has remarked "Only in America would it be seen as arrogant to
be unwilling to publicize yourself." Thomas Pynchon told CNN, which
was planning to run film of him picking up his son at school, "my
belief is that recluse is a code word generated by journalists ...
meaning, 'doesn't like to talk to reporters.'"
Mitchell Coffey
Mitchell Coffey
Why, because he's Jewish?
Mitchell Coffey
Kleuskes & Moos
> On Jan 28, 4:34�pm, "Kleuskes & Moos" <kleu...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 28, 10:27�pm, Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote:
>
> > > J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
>
> > >http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
>
> > > Mitchell Coffey
>
> > I heard it. Time to read "The Catcher in the Rye" again as a fitting
> > farewell to a great author.
<snip interesting bits for clarity>
> I happen to respect Salinger for his avoidance of the public, which is
> presented in the US as suggestive of mental instability.
Given the nature of the media these days, it strikes me as anything
but
mentally unstable. You're right. Authors (IMHO) should stay out of the
limelight and let their stories and characters do the talking.
Kalkidas
a64e-44b...@h2g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:
> J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
>
> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
>
> Mitchell Coffey
I'm sure Mark David Chapman is sad....
magicus
Thanks for the heads up.
ciao,
f
--
aa #2301
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god
than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible
gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
-- Stephen Roberts
Mitchell Coffey
> Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote in news:7be93ddb-21f9-4c6e-
> a64e-44b8e9beb...@h2g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:
>
> > J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
>
> >http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
>
> > Mitchell Coffey
>
> I'm sure Mark David Chapman is sad....
What's wrong with you people!
Mitchell Coffey
_Arthur
> J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
Where do I send flowers ?
chris thompson
These are the people who would complain about their teen-aged kids
being assigned _Catcher_ because of the naughty words.
Chris
John Wilkins
<6f85bfaa-a077-4354...@q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Mitchell Coffey <m.co...@starpower.net> wrote:
They are religious enthusiasts, and so all common decency is ignored by
them.
Eric Root
God punishes people by turning them creationist? I always wondered
what caused it.
Eric Root
Earle Jones
<fadc57c8-eec3-4c5e...@n7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Mitchell Coffey <m.co...@starpower.net> wrote:
*
Roses are reddish,
Violets are bluish,
If it weren't for Jesus,
We'd all be Jewish.
earle
*
Burkhard
Kalkidas has a point here. I mean, after all Salinger famously
followed some Indian guru and engaged with all sorts of heathen
practises like Yoga. You can't trust a person who falls for false
teachers like that , just ask Ray
Augray
wrote in
<fd1def63-dcf5-47b6...@k35g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> :
Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.
Kalkidas
According to Darwinism, the organism formerly known as "J.D. Salinger"
was just a soulless bag of chemicals. Why grieve for that?
Mitchell Coffey
If the term "Darwinism" means anything, it obviously doesn't say
that. Another thing about your statement is this: you make claims,
which your are unwilling and unable to defend, about the moral
consequences of "Darwinism." Even if your undefended claims were
true, why would that justify your astonishingly immoral post, which is
the issue here? And why would it justify your changing the subject to
deflect attention from the immorality of your post?
Mitchell Coffey
Nashton
I see that Ray has managed to get under your collective evo-goon skins.
He seems to be a very popular subject in these parts.
Burkhard
> Augray wrote:
> > On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:31:28 -0800 (PST), Eric Root <er...@swva.net>
> > wrote in
>
> >> On Jan 28, 4:38 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> On Jan 28, 1:27 pm, Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote:
>
> >>>> J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
> >>>>http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
> >>>> Mitchell Coffey
> >>> He's an on-fire Creationist, now.
>
> >>> Ray
> >> God punishes people by turning them creationist? �I always wondered
> >> what caused it.
>
> > Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.
>
> I see that Ray has managed to get under your collective evo-goon skins.
So you think a sense for common human decency is reserved for evo-
goons? I surmised as much from your own posting behaviour, but thanks
for the confirmation.
Frank J
Yeah, Gene Scott told me too. Right now Salinger is busy convincing
Henry Morris to go with the big tent strategy. Not may people "up
there" have been listening to Morris. And most of the ID guys, being
relatively young, sre still down here doing their dirty work. ;-)
Burkhard
"And if we ourselves were not able to arrive at these advantages, nor
even taste them with our senses, still we ought to admire them, even
when we saw them in others. Who of us was of so ignorant and brutal a
disposition as not lately to be grieved at the death of Roscius? who,
though he was an old man when he died, yet on account of the
excellence and beauty of his art, appeared to be one who on every
account ought not to have died."
We grieve our loss, not his.
Frank J
> Augray wrote:
> > On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:31:28 -0800 (PST), Eric Root <er...@swva.net>
> > wrote in
>
> >> On Jan 28, 4:38 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> On Jan 28, 1:27 pm, Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote:
>
> >>>> J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
> >>>>http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
> >>>> Mitchell Coffey
> >>> He's an on-fire Creationist, now.
>
> >>> Ray
> >> God punishes people by turning them creationist? �I always wondered
> >> what caused it.
>
> > Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.
>
> I see that Ray has managed to get under your collective evo-goon skins.
>
> He seems to be a very popular subject in these parts.
I actually like Ray. I don't consider him evil at all. And woundn't
even if he were an *effective* misrepresenter of science.
Unfortunately Ray is not popular among anti-evolutionists. They rarely
discuss anything with him. He's even been banned from anti-evolution
websites for daring to criticize their strategy.
Maybe you can be the first creationist to say more to Ray than a "you
go, dude." A healthy debate about your disagreements regarding what
God did, when and how would be nice.
Frank J
That may be according to your "Darwinism" caricature, but not
according to evolutionary biology.
But I suspect you and most anti-evolution activists know that, given
how you refer to "Darwinism" and "Darwinists" whenever possible.
Eric Root
In Nashlish, "goon" means "honest, decent person who exhibits
admirable personality traits." When he's not namecalling the many of
us he envies, he kisses up to (using lots of tongue) twisted, hate-
filled sickos like Ray.
Eric Root
Mitchell Coffey
Doesn't count, Cicero was a pagan!
Mitchell Coffey
Mitchell Coffey
>
> >> On Jan 28, 4:38 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> On Jan 28, 1:27 pm, Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote:
>
> >>>> J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
> >>>>http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
> >>>> Mitchell Coffey
> >>> He's an on-fire Creationist, now.
>
> >>> Ray
> >> God punishes people by turning them creationist? �I always wondered
> >> what caused it.
>
> > Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.
>
> I see that Ray has managed to get under your collective evo-goon skins.
>
> He seems to be a very popular subject in these parts.
I don't understand your point. If he didn't wished to be remarked
upon he shouldn't have responded to my post. Are you saying that his
post was objectionable, but ceased to be so when other people objected
to it? Or do you claim his post was objectionable, but it is morally
unjustified to object to objectionable posts? Or do you not think his
post was objectionable?
Mitchell Coffey
Desertphile
<m.co...@starpower.net> wrote:
> J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
It amazes me that some people still write about people having died
in the present tense. The title should be "Novelist J.D. Salinger
died at aged 91."
--
http://desertphile.org
Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
"Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
Desertphile
Religion happened to them. The best way to turn a person into an
ugly, repulsive, degrated shell of a human being is to inflict
religion upon her or him.
el cid
Does this mean that if we believe in gravity we should all
lay down on the ground?, go hide in the basement? or should
I migrate to Death Valley?
jillery
> On Jan 28, 4:34�pm, "Kleuskes & Moos" <kleu...@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> > On Jan 28, 10:27�pm, Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote:
>
> > > J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
>
> > >http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
>
> > > Mitchell Coffey
>
> > farewell to a great author.
>
> My 15 year old son just read and enthused about it a few months ago.
> It's still assigned in high schools. �I re-read it when I was 30, back
> in Reagan's first term, expecting to be disappointed by a book I'd
> read when Lyndon Johnson was President. �I wasn't.
>
> I had a similar experience recently with To Kill a Mockingbird, which
> I'd also read when I was 15. �Both my kids had read it in school, and
> loved it, and there was a piece on it in the New Yorker last summer,
> asserting that it was contrary to reputation racially reactionary. �I
> re-read it, then, a month ago, discovering the New Yorker article had
> been lame. �Discussions with my family after the re-read made me
> determine to read Catcher again. �I must now hurry up and get to it.
>
> I happen to respect Salinger for his avoidance of the public, which is
> presented in the US as suggestive of mental instability. �Reminds me
> of comments by other creative types who are similarly suspect. �Gary
> Trudeau has remarked "Only in America would it be seen as arrogant to
> be unwilling to publicize yourself." �Thomas Pynchon told CNN, which
> was planning to run film of him picking up his son at school, "my
> belief is that recluse is a code word generated by journalists ...
> meaning, 'doesn't like to talk to reporters.'"
>
> Mitchell Coffey
Please keep in mind that opinions about publicity are publicized by
people whose jobs depend on other people seeking publicity. IOW their
objectivity on this point is particularly suspect.
Free Lunch
in talk.origins:
I wasn't aware that you were so profoundly unable to show empathy with
your fellow man. There are treatments for this.
Free Lunch
talk.origins:
He's every bit as proud of his foolish, lying ignorance as you are,
Nashton. Why do you celebrate how little you know?
Kalkidas
news:501af006-ac43-4794...@l30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
Then we ought to grieve for the ridiculous triviality of our affections
toward a bag of chemicals, the "beauty of [whose] art" is a mere illusion
fabricated by impersonal neural processes.
Of course, even our grief is biochemistry, according to Darwin's heirs.
Free Lunch
in talk.origins:
>Burkhard <b.sc...@ed.ac.uk> wrote in
It is too bad for you that you have never experienced feelings. Your
loss.
chris thompson
You are truly pathetic. All you can do is make up things about
something you don't understand, have never understood, and make no
attempt to understand. Then you ridicule the lies you've constructed.
Chris
raven1
<pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Jan 28, 1:27�pm, Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote:
>> J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
>>
>> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
>>
>> Mitchell Coffey
>
>He's an on-fire Creationist, now.
What a vile little man you are.
gregwrld
wrote:
> On Jan 28, 6:09�pm, Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 28, 5:29�pm, Kalkidas <e...@joes.pub> wrote:
>
> > > Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote in news:7be93ddb-21f9-4c6e-
> > > a64e-44b8e9beb...@h2g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:
>
>
> > > >http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
>
> > > > Mitchell Coffey
>
>
> > What's wrong with you people!
>
> > Mitchell Coffey
>
> being assigned _Catcher_ because of the naughty words.
>
> Chris
I remember reading "Catcher" some 40+ya.
The next book I read was "Candy" and it had
a larger effect on me...
gregwrld
Desertphile
Actually, there are treatments for sociopaths, but none of them
work.
Desertphile
<elcid...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 29, 10:00�am, Kalkidas <e...@joes.pub> wrote:
> > Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote innews:6f85bfaa-a077-4354...@q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 28, 5:29�pm, Kalkidas <e...@joes.pub> wrote:
> > >> Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote in
> > >> news:7be93ddb-21f9-4c6e-
> > >> a64e-44b8e9beb...@h2g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > >> > J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
> > >> >http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
> > >> I'm sure Mark David Chapman is sad....
> > > What's wrong with you people!
> > According to Darwinism, the organism formerly known as "J.D. Salinger"
> > was just a soulless bag of chemicals. Why grieve for that?
> Does this mean that if we believe in gravity we should all
> lay down on the ground?, go hide in the basement? or should
> I migrate to Death Valley?
We don't want you in Death Valley. But don't take it personally:
we don't want anyone in Death Valley.
gregwrld
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:00:56 +0000 (UTC), Kalkidas <e...@joes.pub> wrote
> in talk.origins:
>
>
>
> >news:6f85bfaa-a077-4354...@q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> On Jan 28, 5:29�pm, Kalkidas <e...@joes.pub> wrote:
> >>> Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote in
> >>> news:7be93ddb-21f9-4c6e-
> >>> a64e-44b8e9beb...@h2g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:
>
> >>> > J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
>
> >>> >http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
>
> >>> > Mitchell Coffey
>
> >>> I'm sure Mark David Chapman is sad....
>
> >> What's wrong with you people!
>
> >> Mitchell Coffey
>
> >According to Darwinism, the organism formerly known as "J.D. Salinger"
> >was just a soulless bag of chemicals. Why grieve for that?
>
> I wasn't aware that you were so profoundly unable to show empathy with
> your fellow man. There are treatments for this.
Can they do a lobotomy on a single
brain cell?
gregwrld
raven1
<m.co...@starpower.net> wrote:
>J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
>
>http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
>
>Mitchell Coffey
Is there anyone else here who wanted to bitch-slap Holden Caufield and
shout "stop whining, preppie!"?
Mitchell Coffey
Understandable, but you were circa 15, right?
Mitchell Coffey
Free Lunch
<m.co...@starpower.net> wrote in talk.origins:
Yes, how did you know?
Free Lunch
wrote in talk.origins:
Not when I read it. I was the age of the character, going to a prep
school, though mine was thoroughly religious. I even had a teacher who
said it was a very good book (though he was teaching physics, so we
didn't read it for English class).
gregwrld
I was 16-17 when dog-eared copies began
being passed around my high school. It was
at least as popular (among teen boys, anyway)
as "Catcher" and spoken of (requisite chuckles
and guffaws) much more frequently.
gregwrld
Mitchell Coffey
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 13:53:10 -0800 (PST), Mitchell Coffey
Been there, done that.
Mitchell Coffey
Mitchell Coffey
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:54:37 -0500, raven1 <quoththera...@nevermore.com>
Remember, his sibling had just died, he had transferred those feelings
into his every-ones-a-phony shtick, which teenagers might identify
with, and others may roll their eyes at, without under standing the
tragedy underneath.
Mitchell Coffey
el cid
wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:24:12 -0800 (PST), el cid
>
>
>
>
>
> <elcidbi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 29, 10:00�am, Kalkidas <e...@joes.pub> wrote:
> > > Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote innews:6f85bfaa-a077-4354...@q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > > On Jan 28, 5:29�pm, Kalkidas <e...@joes.pub> wrote:
> > > >> Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote in
> > > >> news:7be93ddb-21f9-4c6e-
> > > >> a64e-44b8e9beb...@h2g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > >> > J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
> > > >> >http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
> > > >> I'm sure Mark David Chapman is sad....
> > > > What's wrong with you people!
> > > According to Darwinism, the organism formerly known as "J.D. Salinger"
> > > was just a soulless bag of chemicals. Why grieve for that?
> > Does this mean that if we believe in gravity we should all
> > lay down on the ground?, go hide in the basement? or should
> > I migrate to Death Valley?
>
> We don't want you in Death Valley. But don't take it personally:
> we don't want anyone in Death Valley.
I was making my saddle for a rock on the raceway. Heard it was
a real E-ticket ride.
But my next trip was going to defy gravity anyway, biking from
Badwater to Whitney Portal. Well, either defy gravity or put
me 6 feet under.
chris thompson
uhh, "Candide"?
I found an illustrated edition in my dad's office and it entertained
me for months. And yes I was about 15.
Chris
bpuharic
wrote:
>Mitchell Coffey <m.co...@starpower.net> wrote in
>news:6f85bfaa-a077-4354...@q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Jan 28, 5:29�pm, Kalkidas <e...@joes.pub> wrote:
>>> Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote in
>>> news:7be93ddb-21f9-4c6e-
>>> a64e-44b8e9beb...@h2g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>> > J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
>>>
>>> >http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
>>>
>>> > Mitchell Coffey
>>>
>>> I'm sure Mark David Chapman is sad....
>>
>> What's wrong with you people!
>>
>> Mitchell Coffey
>
>According to Darwinism, the organism formerly known as "J.D. Salinger"
>was just a soulless bag of chemicals. Why grieve for that?
according to creationists, he conjured demons and caused earthquakes.
looks like kalkidas wants to sit around the campfire telling stories
bpuharic
>Augray wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:31:28 -0800 (PST), Eric Root <er...@swva.net>
>> wrote in
>> <fd1def63-dcf5-47b6...@k35g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> :
>>
>>> On Jan 28, 4:38 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jan 28, 1:27 pm, Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
>>>>> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
>>>>> Mitchell Coffey
>>>> He's an on-fire Creationist, now.
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>> God punishes people by turning them creationist? I always wondered
>>> what caused it.
>>
>> Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.
>>
>
>
>I see that Ray has managed to get under your collective evo-goon skins.
why. what did he say?
i generally ignore him. even for a creationist he's insane
bpuharic
wrote:
>
>Then we ought to grieve for the ridiculous triviality of our affections
>toward a bag of chemicals, the "beauty of [whose] art" is a mere illusion
>fabricated by impersonal neural processes.
>
>Of course, even our grief is biochemistry, according to Darwin's heirs.
could be worse. if he was a member of your religion he could have been
an untouchable.
i'd rather be a bag of chemicals than a subhuman like your creationist
religion teaches
el cid
Well yeah, our grief is a function of biochemistry.
Isn't biochemistry neat. Seriously, how amazing that it can
produce what you feel so profoundly as grief, love, sadness,
happiness.
If that doesn't fill you with wonderment, well then you ought to
ask why it does for some but not you.
It turns out it's a matter of conditioning. People can block
out things, or train themselves to experience things. You ought
to know about that. Perhaps you should consider opening yourself
up to being able to share the wonderment of understanding that
biochemistry can accomplish such profound things.
haiku jones
> On Jan 28, 1:27�pm, Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote:
>
>
> >http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
>
> > Mitchell Coffey
>
Au contraire. To edit Auden slightly:
[Time] worships language,
and forgives, everyone by whom it lives....
Time], which with this strange excuse
pardoned Kipling and his views
and will pardon Paul Claudel
Now pardons J.D. for writing well.
Haiku Jones
>
> Ray
Augray
<hjuvi3$til$3...@speranza.aioe.org> :
>Augray wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:31:28 -0800 (PST), Eric Root <er...@swva.net>
>> wrote in
>> <fd1def63-dcf5-47b6...@k35g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> :
>>
>>> On Jan 28, 4:38 pm, Ray Martinez <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Jan 28, 1:27 pm, Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
>>>>> http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
>>>>> Mitchell Coffey
>>>> He's an on-fire Creationist, now.
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>> God punishes people by turning them creationist? I always wondered
>>> what caused it.
>>
>> Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad.
>
>
>I see that Ray has managed to get under your collective evo-goon skins.
You don't think that acting like a jerk is deserving of ridicule? Oh
wait, I forgot who I was talking to.
>He seems to be a very popular subject in these parts.
I think everyone is astonished about how far he'll go to avoid
reality. Heck, I bet he'd even label *you* as an evolutionist.
Burkhard
Why would neuronal processes make it an illusion?
>
> Of course, even our grief is biochemistry, according to Darwin's heirs.
And why would make this the grief less real?
Note, these are hypotheticals. I'm a dualist myself and have no
problems with the ToE, that's just your strawmen, but even were it
true it would matter not a bit. .
Desertphile
Ugh! Shudder! Real men do it that way; modern men do it the
opposite direction.
Desertphile
Very tiny tweezers?
Desertphile
<chris.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 29, 4:23�pm, gregwrld <GCzeba...@msn.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 28, 7:42�pm, chris thompson <chris.linthomp...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 28, 6:09�pm, Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Jan 28, 5:29�pm, Kalkidas <e...@joes.pub> wrote:
> >
> > > > > Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote in news:7be93ddb-21f9-4c6e-
> > > > > a64e-44b8e9beb...@h2g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > > > > > J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
> >
> > > > > >http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
> >
> > > > > > Mitchell Coffey
> >
> > > > > I'm sure Mark David Chapman is sad....
> >
> > > > What's wrong with you people!
> >
> > > > Mitchell Coffey
> >
> > > These are the people who would complain about their teen-aged kids
> > > being assigned _Catcher_ because of the naughty words.
> >
> > > Chris
> >
> > I remember reading "Catcher" some 40+ya.
> > The next book I read was "Candy" and it had
> > a larger effect on me...
> uhh, "Candide"?
>
> I found an illustrated edition in my dad's office and it entertained
> me for months. And yes I was about 15.
The torture mill I was subjected to did "Catcher in the Rye" and
"A Separate Peace" and "To Kill A Mockingbird" and "The Warriors"
and "Candide" and "Red Badge of Courage." All I really wanted to
read was "The Stoy of 'O.'"
Kalkidas
news:lpb6m5d3dmfedbj2o...@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:51:52 +0000 (UTC), Kalkidas <e...@joes.pub>
> wrote in talk.origins:
>
>>Burkhard <b.sc...@ed.ac.uk> wrote in
>>news:501af006-ac43-4794...@l30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> On Jan 29, 3:00�pm, Kalkidas <e...@joes.pub> wrote:
>>>> Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote
>>>> innews:6f85bfaa-a077-4354...@q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.
>>>> co m:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > On Jan 28, 5:29�pm, Kalkidas <e...@joes.pub> wrote:
>>>> >> Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote in
>>>> >> news:7be93ddb-21f9-4c6e-
>>>> >> a64e-44b8e9beb...@h2g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:
>>>>
>>>> >> > J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
>>>>
>>>> >> >http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
>>>>
>>>> >> > Mitchell Coffey
>>>>
>>>> >> I'm sure Mark David Chapman is sad....
>>>>
>>>> > What's wrong with you people!
>>>>
>>>> > Mitchell Coffey
>>>>
>>>> According to Darwinism, the organism formerly known as "J.D.
>>>> Salinger" was just a soulless bag of chemicals. Why grieve for
>>>> that?
>>>
>>> "And if we ourselves were not able to arrive at these advantages,
>>> nor even taste them with our senses, still we ought to admire them,
>>> even when we saw them in others. Who of us was of so ignorant and
>>> brutal a disposition as not lately to be grieved at the death of
>>> Roscius? who, though he was an old man when he died, yet on account
>>> of the excellence and beauty of his art, appeared to be one who on
>>> every account ought not to have died."
>>>
>>> We grieve our loss, not his.
>>
>>Then we ought to grieve for the ridiculous triviality of our
>>affections toward a bag of chemicals, the "beauty of [whose] art" is a
>>mere illusion fabricated by impersonal neural processes.
>>
>>Of course, even our grief is biochemistry, according to Darwin's
>>heirs.
>
> It is too bad for you that you have never experienced feelings. Your
> loss.
And this coming from a meat eater....It don't get any more ironic!
LOL!!!!!
Eric Root
Yeah, I totally cannot understand the shallowness of someone who
denigrates the marvel of feelings, _whatever_ their explanation. If
feelings, art, etc. are marvels, how can their being of natural origin
cancel that marvelousness in any way? Is it fair of me to accuse a
person like Kalkidas of hating nature? Or of hating feelings and art,
if he allows a natural explanation to spoil them for him?
Eric Root
Eric Root
> in talk.origins:
>
>
>> >news:6f85bfaa-a077-4354...@q4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> On Jan 28, 5:29�pm, Kalkidas <e...@joes.pub> wrote:
> >>> Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote in
> >>> news:7be93ddb-21f9-4c6e-
> >>> a64e-44b8e9beb...@h2g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:
>
> >>> > J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
>
> >>> >http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
>
> >>> > Mitchell Coffey
>
> >>> I'm sure Mark David Chapman is sad....
>
> >> What's wrong with you people!
>
> >> Mitchell Coffey
>
> >According to Darwinism, the organism formerly known as "J.D. Salinger"
> >was just a soulless bag of chemicals. Why grieve for that?
>
> your fellow man. There are treatments for this.
Unfortunately, I don't think there are treatments for it, especially
if the person doesn't recognize it as a flaw in himself.
Eric Root
Walter Bushell
<8ca8d859-3fb4-46ec...@l19g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Burkhard <b.sc...@ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> On 28 Jan, 23:09, Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote:
> > On Jan 28, 5:29�pm, Kalkidas <e...@joes.pub> wrote:
> >
> > > Mitchell Coffey <m.cof...@starpower.net> wrote in news:7be93ddb-21f9-4c6e-
> > > a64e-44b8e9beb...@h2g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > > > J.D. Salinger died earlier this afternoon.
> >
> > > >http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Novelist_J.D._Salinger_dies_aged_91
> >
> > > > Mitchell Coffey
> >
> > > I'm sure Mark David Chapman is sad....
> >
> > What's wrong with you people!
> >
> > Mitchell Coffey
>
> Kalkidas has a point here. I mean, after all Salinger famously
> followed some Indian guru and engaged with all sorts of heathen
> practises like Yoga. You can't trust a person who falls for false
> teachers like that , just ask Ray
You do lay on the irony with a dump truck, don't you?
--
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gregwrld
Uh, er-, "Candy", I think: written by Shel
Silverstein under a nom de plume.
It was a long time ago, though...now I'm
reading "Endless Forms Most Beautiful"
by Sean B. Carroll. Some sex involved in
both but a different narrative.
gregwrld
bpuharic
wrote:
>Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in
>news:lpb6m5d3dmfedbj2o...@4ax.com:
>
>>
>>
>> It is too bad for you that you have never experienced feelings. Your
>> loss.
>
>And this coming from a meat eater....It don't get any more ironic!
>LOL!!!!!
he's a believer in the gordon gecko view of wasps...they love animals.
can't stand people