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Pontherion

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Dec 8, 2005, 12:33:45 AM12/8/05
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I am a Creationist and very much Anti-Evolutionist. Hope that wont be a
problem in this Group. I couldnt tell is this a Google owned Group or
one of the old news groups. I'd like to here from other pro-Creationism
subscribers either email of here. Fill me in on which of the
evolutionists are the usuel hacks and abusive anals, and which may even
try to debate me? Very likly I'll convert a few evolutes back to
humanity and to God even. Debating my brother and law, he says I'm one
of the strongest creationists he has ever met, though they're may even
be stronger creationist scientists on this group. Seems like evolution
has been given up for the dead but now I just may stirr the bones a
little.

Mark VandeWettering

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Dec 8, 2005, 12:41:57 AM12/8/05
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Heh. My Loki-o-meter is tweaking, but on the odd case that you are sincere,
bring it on.

Mark

P.S. It really wouldn't take much to be the strongest creationist poster.
A one-eyed man is king in the land of the blind.


Rodjk #613

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Dec 8, 2005, 12:46:04 AM12/8/05
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Ed Conrad.
But he does not post here much anymore.

Rodjk #613

Thurisaz the Einherjer

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Dec 8, 2005, 12:44:29 AM12/8/05
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Pontherion wrote:

> Very likly I'll convert a few evolutes back to
> humanity and to God even.

Hardly, considering that many "evolutionists" are religious.

> Debating my brother and law, he says I'm one
> of the strongest creationists he has ever met, though they're may even
> be stronger creationist scientists on this group.

Yeah right. Like pretty much every cretinist or IDiot brags about having
studied science for x years, about having this-and-that degree, just to
impress the uneducated.

> Seems like evolution
> has been given up for the dead but now I just may stirr the bones a
> little.

Cretinism/IDiocy is a bankrupt cult, live with it. The vast majority of the
population doesn't even know what "creationism" is. You have already lost,
and the sooner you finally admit the obvious, the less harm you will do to
those believers who aren't braindead and are inevitably caught in the
crossfire every now and then.

--
Romans 2:24 revised:
"For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you
cretinists, as it is written on aig."

Deadrat

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Dec 8, 2005, 12:50:30 AM12/8/05
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"Mark VandeWettering" <wett...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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Let's see:

wont for won't
couldnt for couldn't
here for hear
of for or
usuel for usual
likly for likely
brother and law for brother-in-law
they're for there
stirr for stir

My Loki-o-meter is pegged.

Deadrat

Deadrat

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Dec 8, 2005, 12:59:35 AM12/8/05
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"Martin Kess" <Marti...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Welcome to TO. What would you like to debate?

Translation:

Which ass cheek would you like to have handed to you first?

Deadrat


Steven J.

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Dec 8, 2005, 1:02:34 AM12/8/05
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"Pontherion" <Ponth...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>I am a Creationist and very much Anti-Evolutionist.
>
Why are you anti-evolutionist? Did a mathematical geneticist kick your
puppy once?

>
>
> Hope that wont be a
> problem in this Group. I couldnt tell is this a Google owned Group or
> one of the old news groups. I'd like to here from other pro-Creationism
> subscribers either email of here. Fill me in on which of the
> evolutionists are the usuel hacks and abusive anals, and which may even
> try to debate me?
>
Usually it's recommended that you read various threads for a few days before
posting to the group. That way you'll get an idea, both of which posters
are worth responding to, and which arguments have been advanced (and, in the
case of creationist arguments, generally shredded) already.

>
>Very likly I'll convert a few evolutes back to humanity and to God even.
>
An "evolute" is defined as "the locus of the centers of curvature of a given
curve." It does not seem to be the sort of thing that could be brought to
humanity or God.

>
>Debating my brother and law, he says I'm one
> of the strongest creationists he has ever met, though they're may even
> be stronger creationist scientists on this group. Seems like evolution
> has been given up for the dead but now I just may stirr the bones a
> little.
>
At the moment the local crop of creationists are somewhat inadequate.
>
-- Steven J.


Reason in Rhyme

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Dec 8, 2005, 1:23:22 AM12/8/05
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This is just a thought, but, should you, if you're truly serious about
taking on some heavily opinionated heavyweights of evolution, let your
debate speak for itself? Actions speak louder than an introductory
nothing. Go back to the farm, faux deacon.

revp

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Dec 8, 2005, 1:57:56 AM12/8/05
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Pontherion wrote:
> Debating my brother and law, he says I'm one
> of the strongest creationists he has ever met, though they're may even
> be stronger creationist scientists on this group.

Is this a newsgroup post or an episode of Dragonball Z?

- Eric

nbenami

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Dec 8, 2005, 2:25:55 AM12/8/05
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> Is this a newsgroup post or an episode of Dragonball Z?

Heh, "I can hold ten misconceptions, fifteen non sequiturs, and thirty
flawed assumptions, and still not have a damn clue as to what evolution
actually is."

Robert J. Kolker

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Dec 8, 2005, 3:11:45 AM12/8/05
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Pontherion wrote:

> I am a Creationist and very much Anti-Evolutionist. Hope that wont be a
> problem in this Group. I couldnt tell is this a Google owned Group or
> one of the old news groups. I'd like to here from other pro-Creationism
> subscribers either email of here. Fill me in on which of the
> evolutionists are the usuel hacks and abusive anals, and which may even
> try to debate me? Very likly I'll convert a few evolutes back to
> humanity and to God even.

Why don't you leave the thinking of other people alone and do no
converting. Converting is mind-fucking. Not nice.

Now if you want to argue a point in a debate in which the oponent is a
willing participant that is one thing. To go after the beliefs of
another is a nasty form of aggression.

Bob Kolker

Bobby D. Bryant

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Dec 8, 2005, 3:18:10 AM12/8/05
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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005, "Pontherion" <Ponth...@aol.com> wrote:

> I am a Creationist and very much Anti-Evolutionist. Hope that wont
> be a problem in this Group. I couldnt tell is this a Google owned
> Group or one of the old news groups.

s/old/real/


> I'd like to here from other pro-Creationism subscribers either email
> of here. Fill me in on which of the evolutionists are the usuel
> hacks and abusive anals, and which may even try to debate me? Very
> likly I'll convert a few evolutes back to humanity and to God
> even. Debating my brother and law, he says I'm one of the strongest
> creationists he has ever met, though they're may even be stronger
> creationist scientists on this group. Seems like evolution has been
> given up for the dead but now I just may stirr the bones a little.

Obviously a Loki.

--
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas

Mike Dworetsky

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Dec 8, 2005, 3:41:42 AM12/8/05
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"Pontherion" <Ponth...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Hmm, I smell a Loki, or maybe a sub-pontine (troll).

However, the fact that it is getting impossible to top the self-parody of
creationists may mean I am missing the point here.

No, Google does not "own" this group, no one owns it. It is moderated to
eliminate excessive cross-posting, obscene posters, spammers, etc but that's
about it.

--
Mike Dworetsky

(Remove "pants" spamblock to send e-mail)

Dogma Discharge

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"Pontherion" <Ponth...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I'm sure once you've hung out here a few days and realise the 'Calibre' of
the folks you will be up against you'll quietly put your tail between your
legs and skulk away. If you're arguing for creationism you have already lost
the battle anyway.
--
Kind Regards
Cameron


Ye Old One

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Dec 8, 2005, 3:56:07 AM12/8/05
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On 7 Dec 2005 21:33:45 -0800, "Pontherion" <Ponth...@aol.com>

"Creationist scientists" is a bit of a misnomer since there is no
science at all in creationism.

--
Bob.

SeppoP

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Dec 8, 2005, 4:07:39 AM12/8/05
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Ability to write coherently might help your case...

--
Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)

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Sverker Johansson

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Dec 8, 2005, 4:54:50 AM12/8/05
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nmp wrote:
> Op Thu, 08 Dec 2005 08:41:42 +0000, schreef Mike Dworetsky:

>
>
> > No, Google does not "own" this group, no one owns it. It is moderated to
> > eliminate excessive cross-posting, obscene posters, spammers, etc but that's
> > about it.
>
> Moderated? By whom?

Automated moderation. No human filtering. See:
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/fd59941cef8d98c

--
Best regards, HLK, Physics
Sverker Johansson U of Jonkoping
----------------------------------------------
Science: Truth without certainty
Creationism: Certainty without truth

Katt

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Dec 8, 2005, 6:19:59 AM12/8/05
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"Mark VandeWettering" <wett...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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>
> P.S. It really wouldn't take much to be the strongest creationist poster.
> A one-eyed man is king in the land of the blind.

What about someone with half an eye...?

;-)

K.

Homo Sapiens and then some

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Dec 8, 2005, 7:12:24 AM12/8/05
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Not a good start. Go away, come back and be civil and respectful. If
you return with the above attitude, I personally guarantee you will
get taken to pieces.

It's up to you.

Ron O

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Dec 8, 2005, 7:30:12 AM12/8/05
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You can start off by telling us if you have ever found an honest
creationist source for information on this topic. You know, a source
where you have been able to take their arguments and verify that they
really mean what they claim. Go for it, we'd all like to check out
such a source.

This guy is a troll or incompetent, about 50:50 odds of one or the
other.

Ron Okimoto

NashtOn

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Dec 8, 2005, 7:51:31 AM12/8/05
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:)

Nicola

Cubist

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Dec 8, 2005, 8:07:02 AM12/8/05
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What *about* such a person? I mean, what good is someone with half
an eye?

Homo Sapiens and then some

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Dec 8, 2005, 8:33:22 AM12/8/05
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In talk.origins , Homo Sapiens and then some said:

>It's up to you, Nicola

------------------------------------------------
Look at the logo and tell me Christianity isn't a death cult.

D Silverman BAAWA and bar.

AA #2208

R Brown

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Dec 8, 2005, 8:55:05 AM12/8/05
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"Pontherion" <Ponth...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Run for the hills!!!!!

Frank J

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Dec 8, 2005, 9:26:22 AM12/8/05
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So which of the mutually contradictory creationist positions do you
favor?:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wic.html

Note: If you say "ID" please tell us which of the other positions is
closest to yours.

Then please give positive evidence to support your position. If you
have such, you should be able to defend your position without any
reference to evolution. If you must contrast it to a conclusion that
you find infereior, pick one of the other creationist positions. It's
that simple.

Otherwise how are we to know that you aren't a "Darwinist" who wants to
have a little fun with words? Like "evolutes" and "brother and law"?

Mark VandeWettering

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Dec 8, 2005, 10:38:41 AM12/8/05
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Half an eye is obviously of no use whatsoever.

Mark
>
> ;-)
>
> K.
>

Mark VandeWettering

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Dec 8, 2005, 10:40:08 AM12/8/05
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How could we tell? :-)

Mark
>
> - Eric
>

Robert J. Kolker

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Dec 8, 2005, 11:02:15 AM12/8/05
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Mark VandeWettering wrote:
>
>
> Half an eye is obviously of no use whatsoever.

A partially formed eye is still sensitive to light, even if it cannot
focus, so it is useful to some degree.

Bob Kolker

John Harshman

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Dec 8, 2005, 11:24:22 AM12/8/05
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Pontherion wrote:

> I am a Creationist and very much Anti-Evolutionist. Hope that wont be a
> problem in this Group. I couldnt tell is this a Google owned Group or
> one of the old news groups. I'd like to here from other pro-Creationism
> subscribers either email of here. Fill me in on which of the
> evolutionists are the usuel hacks and abusive anals, and which may even
> try to debate me? Very likly I'll convert a few evolutes back to

> humanity and to God even. Debating my brother and law, he says I'm one


> of the strongest creationists he has ever met, though they're may even

> be stronger creationist scientists on this group. Seems like evolution
> has been given up for the dead but now I just may stirr the bones a
> little.
>

Your arrogance does you credit. I forget -- is pride still a sin?

But nevertheless, go ahead. Give us all your best arguments. You might
want to make it clear just what you do and don't like. Are you a
young-earth creationist? An old-earth creationist? Do your views come
closer to Henry Morris or Michael Behe? Etc.

Matchstick

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Dec 8, 2005, 11:54:29 AM12/8/05
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In article <slrndpgl7f.1...@fishtank.brainwagon.org>,
wett...@attbi.com says...

> > Is this a newsgroup post or an episode of Dragonball Z?
>
> How could we tell? :-)

If it takes more than a month to finish a single fight it's usually a
good indication.

--
Contact Address matchstick a t oofg d o t com
"The wages of sin are death... but the hours are good and the perks are
fantastic."

er...@swva.net

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Dec 8, 2005, 12:04:09 PM12/8/05
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Pontherion wrote:
>
(snip)

The strongest creationist poster in recent times has been Old Man. He
was strong enough to admit he was wrong and give up creationism.

Eric Root

APOCALYPSE

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Dec 8, 2005, 1:27:18 PM12/8/05
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You are a narcissist who needs to over-inflate his credentials like a
schlong in need of viagra. Go take your self-congragulating somewhere
else. No one cares you can type "I'm so popular in r/l" all that
matters is what you say, and you haven't said anything.

Stuart

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Dec 8, 2005, 1:46:20 PM12/8/05
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Pontherion wrote:
> I am a Creationist and very much Anti-Evolutionist. Hope that wont be a
> problem in this Group. I couldnt tell is this a Google owned Group or
> one of the old news groups. I'd like to here from other pro-Creationism
> subscribers either email of here. Fill me in on which of the
> evolutionists are the usuel hacks and abusive anals, and which may even
> try to debate me? Very likly I'll convert a few evolutes back to
> humanity and to God even.


Yeah. We've heard that before.

LOL.

unrestra...@hotmail.com

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Dec 8, 2005, 2:01:03 PM12/8/05
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Steven J. wrote:
> "Pontherion" <Ponth...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1134020025.4...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

<snip>

> >Very likly I'll convert a few evolutes back to humanity and to God even.
> >

> An "evolute" is defined as "the locus of the centers of curvature of a given
> curve." It does not seem to be the sort of thing that could be brought to
> humanity or God.
> >

Hey! He *said he was good...

<snip>

> -- Steven J.

Kermit

unrestra...@hotmail.com

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Dec 8, 2005, 2:04:01 PM12/8/05
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I hope that's not an exclusive "or".

>
> Ron Okimoto

Kermit

chris.li...@gmail.com

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Dec 8, 2005, 2:42:17 PM12/8/05
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Pontherion wrote:
> I am a Creationist and very much Anti-Evolutionist. Hope that wont be a
> problem in this Group. I couldnt tell is this a Google owned Group or
> one of the old news groups. I'd like to here from other pro-Creationism
> subscribers either email of here. Fill me in on which of the
> evolutionists are the usuel hacks and abusive anals, and which may even
> try to debate me? Very likly I'll convert a few evolutes back to
> humanity and to God even. Debating my brother and law, he says I'm one
> of the strongest creationists he has ever met, though they're may even
> be stronger creationist scientists on this group. Seems like evolution
> has been given up for the dead but now I just may stirr the bones a
> little.

Well, pardner, we seen 'em come and we seen 'em go. The Talk Origins
Graveyard is full o' folks who rode in thinking they were the fastest
creationist around. When it came down to it, most of 'em turned out to
be shootin' blanks.

So why not jest get back on that nag o' your'n, and hightail it outta
here, back to whatever farm you was brought up on. Either that, or if
you get rid o' that dern chip on yer shoulder, we can all head into th'
Oriental for a beer. If'n yer sure you're desirous o' lookin' fer
trouble, I'm here t'tell ya it'll come lookin' fer you, sure 'nuff.

And if yer mighty unlucky on your partickelar day, you jest might run
into one o' the Talk Origins Gurlz, 'n' ya won't be sittin' a horse fer
about a month.

eyelessgame

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Pontherion wrote:
> I am a Creationist and very much Anti-Evolutionist. Hope that wont be a
> problem in this Group. I couldnt tell is this a Google owned Group or
> one of the old news groups. I'd like to here from other pro-Creationism
> subscribers either email of here. Fill me in on which of the
> evolutionists are the usuel hacks and abusive anals, and which may even
> try to debate me? Very likly I'll convert a few evolutes back to
> humanity and to God even. Debating my brother and law, he says I'm one
> of the strongest creationists he has ever met, though they're may even
> be stronger creationist scientists on this group. Seems like evolution
> has been given up for the dead but now I just may stirr the bones a
> little.

Hi, Pontherion. Are you ever going to respond to anything anyone says
to you? 'Debate' is a two-way street. You haven't shown any evidence
of being a 'strong' creationist, and in fact your use of languge is bad
enough that a number of people think you may be an evolution-supporter,
possibly one well-known in this group, masquerading as a creationist in
order to stir up trouble and make creationists look bad.

So if you're actually a creationist, and interested in debating in
favor of creationism, I recommend you use a spellchecker, think through
your posts, and respond to some of the polite people who answer you.

If there's anything to what your 'brother and law' (sic) says, you need
to show some of it. What are your objections to evolutionary science?

eyelessgame

Geoff

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"NashtOn" <na...@na.ca> wrote in message
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Wipe that smile off your face you freak.


shane

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Dec 8, 2005, 3:55:44 PM12/8/05
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Robert J. Kolker wrote:

> Pontherion wrote:
>
>
>>I am a Creationist and very much Anti-Evolutionist. Hope that wont be a
>>problem in this Group. I couldnt tell is this a Google owned Group or
>>one of the old news groups. I'd like to here from other pro-Creationism
>>subscribers either email of here. Fill me in on which of the
>>evolutionists are the usuel hacks and abusive anals, and which may even
>>try to debate me? Very likly I'll convert a few evolutes back to
>>humanity and to God even.
>
>

> Why don't you leave the thinking of other people alone and do no
> converting. Converting is mind-fucking. Not nice.
>
> Now if you want to argue a point in a debate in which the oponent is a
> willing participant that is one thing. To go after the beliefs of
> another is a nasty form of aggression.
>
> Bob Kolker
>

Yet nuking entire countries is not a nasty form of aggression! Come on
Bob, lets have some consistency from you please. To a creationist an
evolution supporter may be his enemy, and by your comments anything you
do to your enemy is ok, so why are you so particular about a bit of
converting?

Shane

Geoff

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Dec 8, 2005, 3:56:25 PM12/8/05
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"Robert J. Kolker" <now...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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*whooooosh*


david ford

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Dec 8, 2005, 4:30:49 PM12/8/05
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Pontherion wrote:
> I am a Creationist and very much Anti-Evolutionist. Hope that wont be a
> problem in this Group. I couldnt tell is this a Google owned Group or
> one of the old news groups. I'd like to here from other pro-Creationism
> subscribers either email of here.

Reality vs. worldview philosophy of materialism/ atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-3813ksF5ggkc3U1%40individual.net

On the Origin of Life
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-39oh33F63riraU1%40individual.net

go away, young-earthism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=Pine.LNX.4.44L.01.0310190200530.8725-100000%40linux1.gl.umbc.edu

> Fill me in on which of the
> evolutionists are the usuel hacks and abusive anals, and which may even
> try to debate me?

Different people are often different things at different times.

Tell John I said 'hi.'

At one point, John was trying to have his plonk and eat it too:
John's erroneous beliefs can't hide.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127704575.828237.280060%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Don't make me laugh.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1127877013.477499.48130%40g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
August 2005 John Wilkins:
[Snip David's self-referential links and other crap.
I know arguing with this guy is like attacking a
stone with wet tissue paper, but There Are Lurkers]
Ref:
1990 Lynn Margulis
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1125116281.603256.38930%40g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com

> Very likly I'll convert a few evolutes back to

> humanity and to God even. Debating my brother and law, he says I'm one
> of the strongest creationists he has ever met, though they're may even
> be stronger creationist scientists on this group. Seems like evolution
> has been given up for the dead but now I just may stirr the bones a
> little.

1999 Leigh: "creationists and antidarwinians are multiplying"
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b1c67abe.0406141942.49257583%40posting.google.com

godlessness in trouble: science, 'frauds' trigger decline in atheism
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-38r8v3F5qkkv1U1%40individual.net

from atheism: Alister McGrath
http://www.stnews.org/News-2452.htm
to atheism: E.O. Wilson, Michael Shermer, H.G. Wells
from atheism: C.S. Lewis, William Murray, C.E.M. Joad
http://www.stnews.org/News-2448.htm

<yournamehere>'s personal Cthulhu

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Dec 8, 2005, 5:54:34 PM12/8/05
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On 8 Dec 2005 13:30:49 -0800, david ford wrote:

> Different people are often different things at different times.

If only you knew....
--

Look at the logo and tell me Christianity isn't a death cult

D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN

AA #2208

DaveJr

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Dec 8, 2005, 6:33:50 PM12/8/05
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> > Different people are often different things at different times.
>
> If only you knew....
> --
> Look at the logo and tell me Christianity isn't a death cult
>
They idolize a torture devise! Perhaps little gold plated iron maidens and
racks would round out the complete christmas set.

satyr

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On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:33:50 -0700, "DaveJr" <daves...@qwest.net>
wrote:

I've always said that if Jesus returns we have to beat him to death
with a dildo. Then women will have to wear little gold dildos around
their necks for the next 2000 years.

--
satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab

Robert J. Kolker

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Dec 8, 2005, 8:36:33 PM12/8/05
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DaveJr wrote:

> They idolize a torture devise! Perhaps little gold plated iron maidens and
> racks would round out the complete christmas set.

It the Romans had discovered electricity, Catholics would go around with
little electric chair hung on a chain about their necks. Salvation comes
by sitting in the chair.

Bob Kolker

bob young

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david ford wrote:

> Pontherion wrote:
> > I am a Creationist and very much Anti-Evolutionist. Hope that wont be a
> > problem in this Group. I couldnt tell is this a Google owned Group or
> > one of the old news groups. I'd like to here from other pro-Creationism
> > subscribers either email of here.

Then you will be able to explain why, down at three miles below Pacific Ocean, living things can be
found only next to the hot lava spouts which were discovered there recently. These living things cannot
exist enywhere else without the combination of high temperature and high water pressure.

1) Your god did that for a joke, or

2) They are the result of the evolutionary process.

bob
humanist brit.
Hong kong

I suppose somewhere in the bible these minute transparent creatures are mentioned? I cannot find it.

bob young

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satyr wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:33:50 -0700, "DaveJr" <daves...@qwest.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> > Different people are often different things at different times.
> >>
> >> If only you knew....
> >> --
> >> Look at the logo and tell me Christianity isn't a death cult
> >>
> >They idolize a torture devise! Perhaps little gold plated iron maidens and
> >racks would round out the complete christmas set.
>
> I've always said that if Jesus returns we have to beat him to death
> with a dildo. Then women will have to wear little gold dildos around
> their necks for the next 2000 years.

If it means that certain people gain power and influence over others, then it is
more than likely.

"When I survey the wondrous dildo
On which the prince of glory sucked
My richest gain I count but loss
And pour contempt on all my pride.

[with aplogies to Isaac Watts 1674-1784]

Noelie S. Alito

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"Cubist" <Xub...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Katt wrote:
>> "Mark VandeWettering" <wett...@attbi.com> wrote in message
>> news:slrndpfi5r.1ap0.wettering@fishtank.

>> >
>> > P.S. It really wouldn't take much to be the strongest creationist poster.
>> > A one-eyed man is king in the land of the blind.
>>
>> What about someone with half an eye...?
> What *about* such a person? I mean, what good is someone with half
> an eye?

Hmm...carrying a snack for a raven?


AC

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On 7 Dec 2005 21:33:45 -0800,
Pontherion <Ponth...@aol.com> wrote:
> I am a Creationist and very much Anti-Evolutionist. Hope that wont be a
> problem in this Group. I couldnt tell is this a Google owned Group or
> one of the old news groups. I'd like to here from other pro-Creationism
> subscribers either email of here. Fill me in on which of the

> evolutionists are the usuel hacks and abusive anals, and which may even
> try to debate me? Very likly I'll convert a few evolutes back to

> humanity and to God even. Debating my brother and law, he says I'm one
> of the strongest creationists he has ever met, though they're may even
> be stronger creationist scientists on this group. Seems like evolution
> has been given up for the dead but now I just may stirr the bones a
> little.

I call Loki!

--
Aaron Clausen
mightym...@hotmail.com

david ford

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Robert J. Kolker wrote:
> DaveJr wrote:

> > <yournamehere>'s personal Cthulhu wrote:
> > > Look at the logo and tell me Christianity isn't a death cult
> >

Heinrich Himmler, in
Hitler opposed Christianity
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=dford3-1117657689.616680.167840%40g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Which of us, wandering through the lovely German
countryside and coming unawares upon a Crucifix,
does not feel deep in his heart . . . a strange but
enduring sense of shame? The gods of our ancestors
were different. They were men and carried in their
hands a weapon which typified the natural
characteristics of our race, namely readiness to act
and self-reliance. How different is yonder pale
figure on the Cross, whose passivity and emphasized
mien of suffering express only humility and self-
abnegation, qualities which, we, conscious of our
heroic blood, utterly deny. . . . The corruption of our
blood caused by the intrusion of this alien
philosophy must be ended.83

david ford

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Dec 9, 2005, 1:23:48 PM12/9/05
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bob young wrote:
> david ford wrote:
> > Pontherion wrote:
> > > I am a Creationist and very much Anti-Evolutionist. Hope that wont be a
> > > problem in this Group. I couldnt tell is this a Google owned Group or
> > > one of the old news groups. I'd like to here from other pro-Creationism
> > > subscribers either email of here.
>
> Then you will be able to explain why, down at three miles below Pacific Ocean, living things can be
> found only next to the hot lava spouts which were discovered there recently. These living things cannot
> exist enywhere else without the combination of high temperature and high water pressure.
>
> 1) Your god did that for a joke, or
>
> 2) They are the result of the evolutionary process.

Does anything eat "these living things"?
If so, what eats "these living things"?

Do you think "the evolutionary process" can and did give rise to
biological life, starting with simply non-living matter?

> bob
> humanist brit.
> Hong kong
>
> I suppose somewhere in the bible these minute transparent creatures are mentioned?

Not that I know of.
Cars aren't mentioned.

> I cannot find it.

How thoroughly have you looked "in the bible" for mention of "these
minute transparent creatures"?

bob young

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Dec 9, 2005, 11:39:08 PM12/9/05
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david ford wrote:

> bob young wrote:
> > david ford wrote:
> > > Pontherion wrote:
> > > > I am a Creationist and very much Anti-Evolutionist. Hope that wont be a
> > > > problem in this Group. I couldnt tell is this a Google owned Group or
> > > > one of the old news groups. I'd like to here from other pro-Creationism
> > > > subscribers either email of here.
> >
> > Then you will be able to explain why, down at three miles below Pacific Ocean, living things can be
> > found only next to the hot lava spouts which were discovered there recently. These living things cannot
> > exist enywhere else without the combination of high temperature and high water pressure.
> >
> > 1) Your god did that for a joke, or
> >
> > 2) They are the result of the evolutionary process.
>
> Does anything eat "these living things"?

No idea, hardly matters really. They are obviously part of the evolutionary process, possible similar to
what the whole planet was like billions of years ago when volcanic activity was at it's height. That is all
that matters.

>
> If so, what eats "these living things"?

See above. I think you are diverting from the subject matter, being who or what put them there?

>
>
> Do you think "the evolutionary process" can and did give rise to
> biological life, starting with simply non-living matter?

Everything points in that direction. we are much further on now than we were in my grandfather's day, no
doubt man 'will' get to the bottom of it eventually.

>
>
> > bob
> > humanist brit.
> > Hong kong
> >
> > I suppose somewhere in the bible these minute transparent creatures are mentioned?
>
> Not that I know of.
> Cars aren't mentioned.
>
> > I cannot find it.
>
> How thoroughly have you looked "in the bible" for mention of "these
> minute transparent creatures"?

You serious? My sarcasm was lost on you? If you can find mention you will have an immediate apology in
writing from 'yours truly'. After all, if there is mention in that old book a god *must* have done it.
Right.

But frankly, when the books of the bible were first written it is highly unlikely that the scribes of the
day had any idea of the existence of the Pacific Ocean, let alone how deep it was !

Cheers

David Iain Greig

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Dec 10, 2005, 5:46:21 PM12/10/05
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Pontherion <Ponth...@aol.com> wrote:
> I am a Creationist and very much Anti-Evolutionist. Hope that wont be a
> problem in this Group. I couldnt tell is this a Google owned Group or
> one of the old news groups. I'd like to here from other pro-Creationism
> subscribers either email of here. Fill me in on which of the

> evolutionists are the usuel hacks and abusive anals, and which may even
> try to debate me? Very likly I'll convert a few evolutes back to

> humanity and to God even. Debating my brother and law, he says I'm one
> of the strongest creationists he has ever met, though they're may even
> be stronger creationist scientists on this group. Seems like evolution
> has been given up for the dead but now I just may stirr the bones a
> little.

I hear the sound of a door slamming shut to keep out the facts.

'strong creationist' == 'tall dwarf'

--D.

--
david iain greig gr...@ediacara.org
sp4 kox
http://www.ediacara.org/~greig arbor plena alouattarum

David Iain Greig

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Dec 10, 2005, 5:47:57 PM12/10/05
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Robert J. Kolker <now...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Mark VandeWettering wrote:
>>
>>
>> Half an eye is obviously of no use whatsoever.
>
> A partially formed eye is still sensitive to light, even if it cannot
> focus, so it is useful to some degree.

*thud*

Watch out for the low door-frame there.

--D.

David Iain Greig

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Dec 10, 2005, 5:51:33 PM12/10/05
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bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
>
> satyr wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 16:33:50 -0700, "DaveJr" <daves...@qwest.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> > Different people are often different things at different times.
>> >>
>> >> If only you knew....
>> >> --
>> >> Look at the logo and tell me Christianity isn't a death cult
>> >>
>> >They idolize a torture devise! Perhaps little gold plated iron maidens and
>> >racks would round out the complete christmas set.
>>
>> I've always said that if Jesus returns we have to beat him to death
>> with a dildo. Then women will have to wear little gold dildos around
>> their necks for the next 2000 years.
>
> If it means that certain people gain power and influence over others, then it is
> more than likely.
>
> "When I survey the wondrous dildo
> On which the prince of glory sucked
> My richest gain I count but loss
> And pour contempt on all my pride.

I was thinking the fourth line should be redone to rhyme with 'sucked'.

--D.

bob young

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David Iain Greig wrote:

And before He came, I ducked !


Pontherion

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Dec 11, 2005, 12:23:51 AM12/11/05
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In re my recent post received about 60 replies. And that filled in me
in on who the crank evolutionist posters are and who is legitmate. Only
one person was gracious enough to address my questions, that was David
Ford. I continue to examine the group and assess. I have another
question now that I will post in a new thread.

Ron O

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You won't be glad Ford is on your side if you stick around for a couple
of days. What a loser.

Ron Okimoto

John Drayton

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Dec 11, 2005, 4:23:07 AM12/11/05
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Pontherion wrote:

I'm so glad I wasn't drinking when I read this ...

--
John Drayton

Augray

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Dec 11, 2005, 8:40:08 AM12/11/05
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On 10 Dec 2005 21:23:51 -0800, "Pontherion" <Ponth...@aol.com>
wrote:

>In re my recent post received about 60 replies. And that filled in me
>in on who the crank evolutionist posters are and who is legitmate. Only
>one person was gracious enough to address my questions, that was David
>Ford.

Considering that you addressed your single question to pro-creationism
posters, and that they're few and far between, it's hardly surprising
that you only got one response from a creationist.

>I continue to examine the group and assess. I have another
>question now that I will post in a new thread.

If you want a debate, then start one. So far, you're all bark and no
bite.

Cheezits

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Dec 11, 2005, 9:07:48 AM12/11/05
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"Pontherion" <Ponth...@aol.com> wrote:
> I have another
> question now that I will post in a new thread.

The only questions you ever ask are "where are creationist sites?" I
thought you were going to "debunk" evolution. Where's that legendary
debating skill we heard so much about? :-D

Sue
--
Full bibliographic references to the peer-reviewed
scientific literature, please. - Herb Huston

Dana Tweedy

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"John Drayton" <bitbu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1134292987.5...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Personally, it makes me want to take up drinking when I read posts like
this......

DJT

Ray Martinez

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Dec 11, 2005, 6:57:05 PM12/11/05
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Pontherion wrote:
> I am a Creationist and very much Anti-Evolutionist. Hope that wont be a
> problem in this Group. I couldnt tell is this a Google owned Group or
> one of the old news groups. I'd like to here from other pro-Creationism
> subscribers either email of here. Fill me in on which of the
> evolutionists are the usuel hacks and abusive anals, and which may even
> try to debate me? Very likly I'll convert a few evolutes back to
> humanity and to God even. Debating my brother and law, he says I'm one
> of the strongest creationists he has ever met, though they're may even
> be stronger creationist scientists on this group. Seems like evolution
> has been given up for the dead but now I just may stirr the bones a
> little.

They are all the same here: God senseless idiots hiding behind the
Emperors New Clothes metaphor.

Ray Martinez, Protestant Evangelical Paulinist

Navillus

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Dec 11, 2005, 6:58:39 PM12/11/05
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When Wall of Sleep posts, his threads receive hundreds of replies. And
unlike anything you've ever posted here, his discussions are
constructive and (almost) everyone respects the way he debates.

Sean Pittman's threads are equally well-received. The genetic algorithm
people write 3 page responses back and forth to each other. Everyone
else learns something.

You're in the dunce corner with Logos and Kant.

Ray Martinez

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Don't fall off the wagon Dana - your 6 month chip is only 2 weeks away.

Ray

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unrestra...@hotmail.com

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You haven't posed a question about evolution yet. You claimed to be a
powerful debater, then insulted us. Did you actually assert anything
else? I assume by "crank" you mean those who do not acknowledge your
debating prowess. If you actually assert anything, preferably regarding
evolutionary science or why you diagree with some aspect of it, then
most of us would be happy to agree with you, or explain why we do not.

Kermit

Dana Tweedy

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"Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1134345425.6...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

Aww, Ray, don't get mad just because you can't present your views without
resorting to ad hominem.

BTW, how is your "article" coming? What's your excuse for not finnishing
it this time?


DJT

Dana Tweedy

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"Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hey, look, it's "Run away Ray". Where've you been Ray? Still working on
your "article"?


DJT

Augray

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Dec 11, 2005, 9:08:16 PM12/11/05
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On 11 Dec 2005 15:57:05 -0800, "Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Ray, if you truly believed that, you'd have no fears debating me on
bird evolution. But since you haven't taken me up on my offer, I can
only assume that you're the one hiding.

Richard Clayton

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Maybe while he's here, he'll tell us what he expects a transitional
form to look like.
--
[The address listed is a spam trap. To reply, take off every zig.]
Richard Clayton
"During wars laws are silent." -- Cicero

AC

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Dec 19, 2005, 7:54:14 PM12/19/05
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On 11 Dec 2005 15:57:05 -0800,
Ray Martinez <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

More like "Ray Martinez, product of an incestuous union"

--
Aaron Clausen
mightym...@hotmail.com

AC

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On 10 Dec 2005 21:23:51 -0800,
Pontherion <Ponth...@aol.com> wrote:

And how did [DF] answer your "question"?

--
Aaron Clausen
mightym...@hotmail.com

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