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hersheyh  
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 More options Apr 29 2012, 6:44 pm
Newsgroups: talk.origins
From: hersheyh <hershe...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 15:44:55 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Apr 29 2012 6:44 pm
Subject: Re: Is evolution immune to Hegel's dialectic?

On Sunday, April 29, 2012 4:27:41 AM UTC-4, prawnster wrote:
> The vast majority of Muslims have no use for evolution; polls have
> shown that only about 20% believe in it, at best, and even that may be
> optimistic because respondents may be thinking of something like
> "survival of the fittest" or other such caricatured or obsolescent
> notions of evolution.

> Thanks to widespread acceptance of Darwinism in Europe, the authority
> of churches was undermined and replaced by materialist atheism and
> juicy government-run welfare states.

> Now having no purpose in their lives greater than eating, shitting,
> fucking, and dying, Europeans have lost interest in having children or
> sustaining their civilization -- they probably doubt it's worth it.
> Europe now is basically one giant museum/tourist trap, all its glories
> in the past; even its churches are basically tourist traps now since
> Chuck D proved God's existence redundant.

> But Muslims, riding the strong ideological horse, confident in their
> beliefs, are reproducing like a-crazy and will within two or three
> generations control most or all of Europe, and will democratically and
> legally vote for governments based on Sharia law.  And I predict with
> confidence that Eurabian schools will not bother teaching evolution
> anymore.  So goodbye Europe, goodbye Darwinism.

> Does even Darwinism contain within itself the seeds of its own
> destruction, a la Hegel's dialectic?  I say yes: just as Marxism
> eventually destroys itself through unrestrained money-printing,
> Darwinism kills a man's inspiration to sustain his civilization,
> leaving him ripe for the conquering by men who believe their lives
> have cosmic, eternal significance.

> So keep at it, Darwinistas: every convert to your faith hastens the
> death of your faith.

IOW, your argument is that the truth will make you lazy and hedonistic?  
Better that  societies lie about reality to make the stupid workers work?  Lies
are better than truth in your view?  There are, in fact, "thinkers"
(neoconservatives like Irving Kristol, via Leo Strauss) who agree with
Karl Marx that religion is the opiate of the masses and say "Thank God
for that."  
They think that societies' rulers (the philosopher-king model) should
 intentionally lie to the masses of adults.
"There are different kinds of truths for different kinds of people,"
Irving says in an interview. "There are truths appropriate for children;
truths that are appropriate for students; truths that are appropriate
for educated adults; and truths that are appropriate for highly educated
adults, and the notion that there should be one set of truths available
to everyone is a modern democratic fallacy. It doesn't work."
Dangerous knowledge of reality should only be limited to the masters
of the universe, all the better to keep the rest of the fools in line
 (aka, people like Kristol can handle the truth; most people can only
handle lies).

 
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