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Friar Broccoli
Apr 7, 2012, 9:03:09 AM4/7/12
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http://cbc.ca/quirks/media/2011-2012/qq-2012-04-07_04.mp3
Source:
http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/episode/2012/04/07/april-7-2012/
Title: Quantum Biology
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Friar Broccoli (Robert Keith Elias), Quebec Canada
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Ron O
Apr 7, 2012, 10:28:43 AM4/7/12
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receptors are polypeptides and the quantum vibrations have to alter
the structure of the polypeptide enough to activate the receptor and
send a signal. Wouldn't the polypeptides own quantum fluctuations be
sending false signals constantly?
One of the ways to detect receptors is to look for concentration
differences of the ligand (the peptide or molecule being detected)
around the receptors. The concentration of ligand is higher around
the receptors than where there are no receptors. This is due to the
binding of the ligand to the receptor and there being an equilibrium
of the ligand binding and becoming unstuck so the concentration of
ligand increases around receptors. Apparently smell receptors do not
have detectable binding. If there is no lock and key binding,
detection would be more like a barcode laser pass. This would be more
transitory (faster reset?) and more sensitive to concentration of the
ligand.
Sounds plausible. Why wouldn't communication between neurons use the
same detectors?
Ron Okimoto
Friar Broccoli
Apr 7, 2012, 11:40:58 AM4/7/12
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find someone to bet with, I would bet very very heavily that they use
the same basic procedure.
Richard Norman
Apr 7, 2012, 12:25:46 PM4/7/12
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On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 09:03:09 -0400, Friar Broccoli <eli...@gmail.com>
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>http://cbc.ca/quirks/media/2011-2012/qq-2012-04-07_04.mp3
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>Source:
>http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/episode/2012/04/07/april-7-2012/
>Title: Quantum Biology
Perhaps a better source articles is
Physics of life: The dawn of quantum biology
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110615/full/474272a.html
It includes the following nice caveat:
Are such examples widespread enough to justify a whole new discipline,
though? Robert Blankenship, a photosynthesis researcher at Washington
University in St Louis, Missouri, and a co-author with Fleming on the
C. tepidium paper, admits to some scepticism. "My sense is that there
may well be a few cases, like the ones we know about already, where
these effects are important," he says, "but that many, if not most,
biological systems will not utilize quantum effects like these." But
Scholes believes that there are grounds for optimism, given a suitably
broad definition of quantum biology. "I do think there are other
examples in biology where an understanding at the quantum-mechanical
level will help us to appreciate more deeply how the process works,"
he says.
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>http://cbc.ca/quirks/media/2011-2012/qq-2012-04-07_04.mp3
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>Source:
>http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/episode/2012/04/07/april-7-2012/
>Title: Quantum Biology
Physics of life: The dawn of quantum biology
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110615/full/474272a.html
It includes the following nice caveat:
Are such examples widespread enough to justify a whole new discipline,
though? Robert Blankenship, a photosynthesis researcher at Washington
University in St Louis, Missouri, and a co-author with Fleming on the
C. tepidium paper, admits to some scepticism. "My sense is that there
may well be a few cases, like the ones we know about already, where
these effects are important," he says, "but that many, if not most,
biological systems will not utilize quantum effects like these." But
Scholes believes that there are grounds for optimism, given a suitably
broad definition of quantum biology. "I do think there are other
examples in biology where an understanding at the quantum-mechanical
level will help us to appreciate more deeply how the process works,"
he says.
Richard Norman
Apr 7, 2012, 12:39:13 PM4/7/12
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On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 11:40:58 -0400, Friar Broccoli <eli...@gmail.com>
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You can bet with me but I would hate to take your money so easily.
Except in special cases, there is a sizable gap, about 20 nm, between
neurons at the synapse although there are weird and totally
non-accepted arguments to the contrary. For example, see
http://www.quantummechanicsandreality.com/Primer/iia8_brain.htm
which specifies a gap an order of magnitude smaller than generally
accepted.
No doubt there are all sorts of quantum events taking place in
molecular interactions, the covalent chemical bond being a prime
example but other more subtle processes must be happening. However
communication between neurons is a cellular level process. Now if you
want to talk about the molecular processes involved with
neurotransmitter binding at a receptor, then certainly quantum
mechanics plays a role. And it is quite likely that there are
amplification mechanisms such that quantum uncertainty at the level of
a single molecular event can influence the behavior or a large
(macroscopic) cellular process and, ultimately, the behavior of a
whole organism. But that is different from "communication between
neurons."
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Except in special cases, there is a sizable gap, about 20 nm, between
neurons at the synapse although there are weird and totally
non-accepted arguments to the contrary. For example, see
http://www.quantummechanicsandreality.com/Primer/iia8_brain.htm
which specifies a gap an order of magnitude smaller than generally
accepted.
No doubt there are all sorts of quantum events taking place in
molecular interactions, the covalent chemical bond being a prime
example but other more subtle processes must be happening. However
communication between neurons is a cellular level process. Now if you
want to talk about the molecular processes involved with
neurotransmitter binding at a receptor, then certainly quantum
mechanics plays a role. And it is quite likely that there are
amplification mechanisms such that quantum uncertainty at the level of
a single molecular event can influence the behavior or a large
(macroscopic) cellular process and, ultimately, the behavior of a
whole organism. But that is different from "communication between
neurons."
John Vreeland
Apr 7, 2012, 1:37:33 PM4/7/12
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On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 09:03:09 -0400, Friar Broccoli <eli...@gmail.com>
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Did I miss a joke or something?
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>http://cbc.ca/quirks/media/2011-2012/qq-2012-04-07_04.mp3
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>Source:
>http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/episode/2012/04/07/april-7-2012/
>Title: Quantum Biology
not getting it.
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>Source:
>http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/episode/2012/04/07/april-7-2012/
>Title: Quantum Biology
Did I miss a joke or something?
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Some aspects of life would be a lot easier if Creationists were required to carry warning signs. Fortunately, many of them already do.
Ron O
Apr 7, 2012, 2:16:33 PM4/7/12
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On Apr 7, 10:40 am, Friar Broccoli <elia...@gmail.com> wrote:
Don't put any money on it. The receptors that I know of are standard
ligand binding signal receptors. You can even get mimic neurotoxins
that bind and will not release.
Ron Okimoto
ligand binding signal receptors. You can even get mimic neurotoxins
that bind and will not release.
Ron Okimoto
Friar Broccoli
Apr 8, 2012, 1:06:12 PM4/8/12
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On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 13:37:33 -0400, John Vreeland
<john.v...@ieee.org> wrote:
>On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 09:03:09 -0400, Friar Broccoli <eli...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
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>>http://cbc.ca/quirks/media/2011-2012/qq-2012-04-07_04.mp3
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>>Source:
>>http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/episode/2012/04/07/april-7-2012/
>>Title: Quantum Biology
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<john.v...@ieee.org> wrote:
>On Sat, 07 Apr 2012 09:03:09 -0400, Friar Broccoli <eli...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
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>>http://cbc.ca/quirks/media/2011-2012/qq-2012-04-07_04.mp3
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>>Source:
>>http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/episode/2012/04/07/april-7-2012/
>>Title: Quantum Biology
>not getting it.
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>Did I miss a joke or something?
together with a description of the test used to confirm the new
vibration detection model that replaces the chemical lock and key model.
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