Baptism or Marriage in San Diego
David Sienkiewicz
> Do you need to be baptized? Or are you wanting to get married?
Jason, what are you doing?
> My name is Jason Gastrich and I'm an ordained minister and the founder of a
> Christian organization called Jesus Christ Saves Ministries. It is an
> inter-denominational, non-profit organization that is committed to leading
> people into a life changing relationship with Jesus Christ. You can see our
> ministry by clicking the link below.
>
> If you need to be baptized or married, please contact me by email
> (Ja...@jcsm.org) or by phone (1-877-850-3878). I'm happy to help.
Oh, dear!
So now you're actually huckstering religious services like some cheap,
ambulance-chasing schyster usually seen on late-night TV or during
commercial breaks from Jerry Springer?
Jason, have you no shame at all? Now you're going to use Usenet as an
advertising medium to sell pastoral services?
How low can you go?
< snip >
Clothaire
Jason knows that religion is a business. He is just trying to find
his niche.
Clothaire
"Science has proof without any certainty. Creationists have certainty
without any proof." -- Ashley Montague
Jason Gastrich
> Do you need to be baptized? Or are you wanting to get married?
>
> founder of a Christian organization called Jesus Christ Saves
> Ministries. It is an inter-denominational, non-profit organization
> that is committed to leading people into a life changing relationship
> with Jesus Christ. You can see our ministry by clicking the link
> below.
>
> If you need to be baptized or married, please contact me by email
> (Ja...@jcsm.org) or by phone (1-877-850-3878). I'm happy to help.
>
> Jason Gastrich
Today, I baptized a college student named Farnam. He is a new believer and
was very excited and thankful. I baptized him in San Diego's Mission Bay.
I don't charge anything to people who want me to baptism or marry them. A
couple people claimed that I did, but they are wrong. Baptism and marriage
ceremonies are about giving and blessing; not taking.
I was happy to give Farnam a free copy of my book, my workbook, and a
certificate of baptism. To God be the glory.
Serving Him,
Jason Gastrich
Jesus Christ Saves Ministries
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free indeed."
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AC
Jason Gastrich <newsg...@jcsm.org> wrote:
> Jason Gastrich wrote:
>> Do you need to be baptized? Or are you wanting to get married?
>>
>> My name is Jason Gastrich and I'm an ordained minister and the
>> founder of a Christian organization called Jesus Christ Saves
>> Ministries. It is an inter-denominational, non-profit organization
>> that is committed to leading people into a life changing relationship
>> with Jesus Christ. You can see our ministry by clicking the link
>> below.
>>
>> If you need to be baptized or married, please contact me by email
>> (Ja...@jcsm.org) or by phone (1-877-850-3878). I'm happy to help.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Jason Gastrich
>
> Today, I baptized a college student named Farnam. He is a new believer and
> was very excited and thankful. I baptized him in San Diego's Mission Bay.
Oh rapture!
>
> I don't charge anything to people who want me to baptism or marry them.
You're a real saint, Jason.
> A
> couple people claimed that I did, but they are wrong. Baptism and marriage
> ceremonies are about giving and blessing; not taking.
Yeah, you can always hook 'em later.
>
> I was happy to give Farnam a free copy of my book, my workbook, and a
> certificate of baptism.
And a gift certificate for a free mind wiping too, no doubt.
> To God be the glory.
And a little for "Dr." Jason Gastrich too, no doubt.
Did you tell your new convert to Jasonism about the lies you have on your
website?
--
Aaron Clausen
tao_of_cow/\alberni.net (replace /\ with @)
David Sienkiewicz
> William Kronert wrote:
> > Jason Gastrich (newsg...@jcsm.org) wrote:
> >> Jeff Makey wrote:
> >>> In article <qNX2c.15232$4o3....@twister.socal.rr.com>,
> >>> Jason Gastrich <newsg...@jcsm.org> wrote:
> >>>> If you need to be baptized or married, please contact me by email
>
> >>> to sdnet.misc, but here you are doing it again. Please show a
> >>> little respect for your fellow San Diego residents.
>
> >> Is Jeff right? Or was this the correct place to mention baptism and
> >> marriage? I know that sdnet.misc is for topics that don't fit into
> >> the other sdnet groups and I couldn't find a more appropriate sdnet
> >> group for my message. However, I'd like your input because I do
> >> respect the sdnet hierarchy and your administration of it.
> >
> > Jason,
> >
> > Your article advertising yourself as an ordained minister and
> > seeking people who want to be baptized or married is a advertisement.
> >
> > Advertisements are off topic for sdnet.misc and are usually off topic
> > for most discussion newsgroups. The more appropriate newsgroup would
> > be: sdnet.jobs.wanted.
>
> Thanks, Bill. I'll take note for future reference.
I'm still curious as to what you charge for these services, Jason, and
why you feel the need to advertise these sorts of things like a Vegas
wedding chapel, a "personal injury attorney" or an 800 dating service.
< my reply redirected to talk.origins and free.christians >
David Sienkiewicz
> Jason Gastrich wrote:
> > Do you need to be baptized? Or are you wanting to get married?
> >
> > My name is Jason Gastrich and I'm an ordained minister and the
> > founder of a Christian organization called Jesus Christ Saves
> > Ministries. It is an inter-denominational, non-profit organization
> > that is committed to leading people into a life changing relationship
> > with Jesus Christ. You can see our ministry by clicking the link
> > below.
> >
> > If you need to be baptized or married, please contact me by email
> > (Ja...@jcsm.org) or by phone (1-877-850-3878). I'm happy to help.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Jason Gastrich
>
> Today, I baptized a college student named Farnam. He is a new believer and
> was very excited and thankful. I baptized him in San Diego's Mission Bay.
And naturally, you waind to pridefully announce this in an
international newsgroup.
Did this "Farnam," assuming he exists at all and this isn't some story
you made up in a pathetic attempt to divert some heat, agree to your
announcing this in the newsgroups?
> I don't charge anything to people who want me to baptism or marry them. A
> couple people claimed that I did, but they are wrong.
How do we know THAT, Jason?
We have you - an obvious huckter and modern snake-oil salesman who
seems to think that christianity is a road to wealth and who also has
no qualms about resorting to dishonest means to attract attention to
himself - claiming these things in something of a vacuum.
So why should anyone believe you?
> Baptism and marriage
> ceremonies are about giving and blessing; not taking.
For you, Jason, it's all about feeding your ego.
> I was happy to give Farnam a free copy of my book, my workbook, and a
> certificate of baptism. To God be the glory.
You're not interested in God's glory, Jason - only your own, with YOUR
book and YOUR workbook.
In the end, it's all about self-promotion, isn't it?
You bet it is.
< snip >
Lab Rat
> Today, I baptized a college student named Farnam. He is a new believer and
> was very excited and thankful. I baptized him in San Diego's Mission Bay.
>
> I don't charge anything to people who want me to baptism or marry them. A
> couple people claimed that I did, but they are wrong. Baptism and marriage
> ceremonies are about giving and blessing; not taking.
>
> I was happy to give Farnam a free copy of my book, my workbook, and a
> certificate of baptism. To God be the glory.
In the Anglican church in the UK we get a candle. We don't get a book
by the Bishop.
Wow. I'm feeling hard done by now... Can I have a free copy of your
book too?
Ratty
KelvynT
>I don't charge anything to people who want me to baptism or marry them.
Ah, the old loss-leader.
Kelvyn
KelvynT
I got a prayer mat and a copy of the Koran (no, not from the
Anglicans..). Surely Jason could have at least coughed up a free
Bible. But obviously his book is more important.
Kelvyn
Uncle Davey
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Presumably he only practices believer's baptisms, and so the approach is a
brilliant intro to do some evangelism face to face.
I doubt he takes a penny for it. You just completely misjudge and
njisunderstand the guy. I think you get some sadistic pleasure out of
continually misinterpreting his evangelistic approaches as if they were in
someway fraudulent or there to make money.
With his brain, he could make more money doing just about anything else.
Uncle Davey
David Sienkiewicz
"Presumably?"
I see that I have a few responses from you in threads in which I have
challenged Jason, who has run from me. Do you presume, or did you
have a bit of a conversation in email discussing this before you
mustered up the courage to enter these exchanges?
I personally don't care what he "presumably" might do. What prompted
my comments was the tactic of posting in the newsgroups and
advertising the services as if he were some cheap, ambulance-chaser or
900 talk line. It cheapens the alleged beliefs to which you both
profess. It makes him look like a cheap huckster, and given his past
antics, it's a shoe that fits.
> and so the approach is a
> brilliant intro to do some evangelism face to face.
If you think that baptism is "brilliant," I submit that you need to
get out more.
> I doubt he takes a penny for it.
I doubt that he does it for free.
However, let's assume that some of these sucker services are done for
free, such as baptism. He's already made a boast about one such
episode in which he claims to have baptised some unfortunate and then
provided a "free" copy of his materials.
Any decent salesman knows that this sort of practice is a "cost of
doing business." Give one or two things away for free, allow that
"customer" to pass the word and, poof! Web site visits go up, web
hosting contracts go up, book sales go up...
Even snake oil salesman would give a free taste now and then.
> You just completely misjudge and
> njisunderstand the guy.
Oh, no. I understand Jason all too well.
He knows it, too. That's why he's ducked all of my challenges and
whines that he's being "stalked" and picked on.
> I think you get some sadistic pleasure out of
> continually misinterpreting his evangelistic approaches as if they were in
> someway fraudulent or there to make money.
Oh, he's a fraud, all right. And it's nothing to do with sadism.
I've never much cared for frauds of any sort; and none of them can
safely conduct their "business" as long as I'm around.
Ask Ed Conrad.
> With his brain, he could make more money doing just about anything else.
I think you overestimate Jason's intellectual capabilities but, then
again, you tend to do that with your own, too.
Uncle Davey
Just know this, when you attack one Christian, you attack the whole church,
and God himself.
>
> I personally don't care what he "presumably" might do. What prompted
> my comments was the tactic of posting in the newsgroups and
> advertising the services as if he were some cheap, ambulance-chaser or
> 900 talk line. It cheapens the alleged beliefs to which you both
> profess. It makes him look like a cheap huckster, and given his past
> antics, it's a shoe that fits.
>
> > and so the approach is a
> > brilliant intro to do some evangelism face to face.
>
> If you think that baptism is "brilliant," I submit that you need to
> get out more.
>
> > I doubt he takes a penny for it.
>
> I doubt that he does it for free.
I expect he hardly covers expenses, if that.
>
> However, let's assume that some of these sucker services are done for
> free, such as baptism. He's already made a boast about one such
> episode in which he claims to have baptised some unfortunate and then
> provided a "free" copy of his materials.
>
> Any decent salesman knows that this sort of practice is a "cost of
> doing business." Give one or two things away for free, allow that
> "customer" to pass the word and, poof! Web site visits go up, web
> hosting contracts go up, book sales go up...
>
> Even snake oil salesman would give a free taste now and then.
>
Irrelevant.
> > You just completely misjudge and
> > njisunderstand the guy.
>
> Oh, no. I understand Jason all too well.
>
> He knows it, too. That's why he's ducked all of my challenges and
> whines that he's being "stalked" and picked on.
>
He is just amazed by the intensity of your personal hate. Well, bring it on,
pixie, I'm no stranger to venom.
> > I think you get some sadistic pleasure out of
> > continually misinterpreting his evangelistic approaches as if they were
in
> > someway fraudulent or there to make money.
>
> Oh, he's a fraud, all right. And it's nothing to do with sadism.
> I've never much cared for frauds of any sort; and none of them can
> safely conduct their "business" as long as I'm around.
>
> Ask Ed Conrad.
>
Cut it, moron. You're talking with someone who really does unravel real
fraud, and gets well paid for doing it.
What do you think I'm doing in Moscow? Visiting the Tretyakov gallery
everyday to see my favorite painting?
> > With his brain, he could make more money doing just about anything else.
>
> I think you overestimate Jason's intellectual capabilities but, then
> again, you tend to do that with your own, too.
>
You're not even qualified to make that assessment.
Uncle Davey
David Sienkiewicz
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> Just know this, when you attack one Christian, you attack the whole church,
> and God himself.
In other words, you're not going to answer the question.
Okay, fair enough. But let's get a couple of points of order ready.
First, neither you nor Jason are christians.
Secondly, when I "attack" either of you, it is only by the most
simplistic form of "thinking" that I attack anything other than either
of you.
That may go over your head, but I can't make it any simpler.
Finally, an "attack" on you may, in your own amazingly inflated ego,
be an attack on God, but God doesn't care any more about you than I
do.
> > I personally don't care what he "presumably" might do. What prompted
> > my comments was the tactic of posting in the newsgroups and
> > advertising the services as if he were some cheap, ambulance-chaser or
> > 900 talk line. It cheapens the alleged beliefs to which you both
> > profess. It makes him look like a cheap huckster, and given his past
> > antics, it's a shoe that fits.
> >
> > > and so the approach is a
> > > brilliant intro to do some evangelism face to face.
> >
> > If you think that baptism is "brilliant," I submit that you need to
> > get out more.
> >
> > > I doubt he takes a penny for it.
> >
> > I doubt that he does it for free.
>
> I expect he hardly covers expenses, if that.
You don't seem to get the point here, Davey, so let me make it
explicit.
We disagree. You say he doesn't. I say he does.
Since Jason, himself, refuses to answer at any level, where does that
leave us?
Jason has established that he is something of a snake-oil salesman and
self-promoter. Both of you have justified dishonesty if it leads to
winning souls.
This means that there really isn't much that either of you can say
that can be trusted at face value.
Let me know if you still have trouble understanding that.
> > However, let's assume that some of these sucker services are done for
> > free, such as baptism. He's already made a boast about one such
> > episode in which he claims to have baptised some unfortunate and then
> > provided a "free" copy of his materials.
> >
> > Any decent salesman knows that this sort of practice is a "cost of
> > doing business." Give one or two things away for free, allow that
> > "customer" to pass the word and, poof! Web site visits go up, web
> > hosting contracts go up, book sales go up...
> >
> > Even snake oil salesman would give a free taste now and then.
>
> Irrelevant.
In what way is it "irrelevant?"
I ILLUSTRATED my point. You waved it off. It's perfectly relevant
and I have supported the relevance.
If you can show that it's irrelevant, do so. Just blowing it off
isn't going to be good enough.
> > > You just completely misjudge and
> > > njisunderstand the guy.
> >
> > Oh, no. I understand Jason all too well.
> >
> > He knows it, too. That's why he's ducked all of my challenges and
> > whines that he's being "stalked" and picked on.
>
> He is just amazed by the intensity of your personal hate. Well, bring it on,
> pixie, I'm no stranger to venom.
Oh, dear, so we're back to name-calling. What a marvelously loving
christian spirit you show this morning, Davey.
Oh, well. I guess a 203 cm, 140 kg pixie would be quite a site. I'll
try to keep it in mind for my grandchildren's next Halloween party.
And, Davey, I harbor no personal hate for you or for Jason. You
fellows are far better at illustrations of hate than I am,
particularly with your virtiolic messages and the associated threats
that we have seen this morning.
To me, you're just a couple of faceless lunatics, but Jason is, so
far, a fraud, as well - using the Internet to bilk unsuspecting
people. I confess that I've never much cared for that and it does get
my juices going, but only in an abstract sense. I don't hate Jason
because he's no one to me. He's just another fraud.
> > > I think you get some sadistic pleasure out of
> > > continually misinterpreting his evangelistic approaches as if
> > > they were in
> > > someway fraudulent or there to make money.
> >
> > Oh, he's a fraud, all right. And it's nothing to do with sadism.
> > I've never much cared for frauds of any sort; and none of them can
> > safely conduct their "business" as long as I'm around.
> >
> > Ask Ed Conrad.
>
> Cut it, moron. You're talking with someone who really does unravel real
> fraud, and gets well paid for doing it.
I'm not impressed. And by the way, did Jesus ever allow you to call
someone else a "moron?"
Amazing how that phony christian veneer disappears when someone gets
your goat, eh?
> What do you think I'm doing in Moscow? Visiting the Tretyakov gallery
> everyday to see my favorite painting?
For all I know, yes.
You see, Davey, we have another example of that self-importance of
yours - that pathetic ego that is so desiring of attention that you
actually created a Usenet group to feed that ego.
The fact is that I had no idea that you were in Moscow and I don't
care. For all I know, you're sitting in an Internet Cafe in Riga
because you couldn't pay for your connection and it got cut off. The
fact is that once you justify lying, as you have done, nothing you say
can be taken as true at face value.
So spare me your boasts. Even if they are true, they are remarkably
unimpressive.
> > > With his brain, he could make more money doing just about anything else.
> >
> > I think you overestimate Jason's intellectual capabilities but, then
> > again, you tend to do that with your own, too.
>
> You're not even qualified to make that assessment.
Of course I am. If I were not, I would not have MADE the
"assessment."
catshark
wrote:
[...]
>> I see that I have a few responses from you in threads in which I have
>> challenged Jason, who has run from me. Do you presume, or did you
>> have a bit of a conversation in email discussing this before you
>> mustered up the courage to enter these exchanges?
>
>
>Just know this, when you attack one Christian, you attack the whole church,
>and God himself.
Ah! So when you and Jason attack some Christians for not being Biblical
literalists, you are attacking the whole church and god himself?
[...]
---------------
J. Pieret
---------------
There has been only one Christian.
They caught him and crucified him -- early.
-- Mark Twain --
Uncle Davey
If that's your idea of proof, then my point stands.
Uncle Davey
David Sienkiewicz
> > < sdnet.misc removed >
> >
> > "Uncle Davey" <no...@jose.com> wrote in message
> news:c2uti6$fm6$0...@pita.alt.net...
> > >
> > > > "Uncle Davey" <no...@jose.com> wrote in message
> > > news:<c2pq5t$68b$0...@pita.alt.net>...
> > > >
> > > > I see that I have a few responses from you in threads in which I have
> > > > challenged Jason, who has run from me. Do you presume, or did you
> > > > have a bit of a conversation in email discussing this before you
> > > > mustered up the courage to enter these exchanges?
> > >
> > > Just know this, when you attack one Christian, you attack the whole
> church,
> > > and God himself.
> >
> > In other words, you're not going to answer the question.
> >
> > Okay, fair enough. But let's get a couple of points of order ready.
> >
> > First, neither you nor Jason are christians.
> >
> > Secondly, when I "attack" either of you, it is only by the most
> > simplistic form of "thinking" that I attack anything other than either
> > of you.
> >
> > That may go over your head, but I can't make it any simpler.
> >
> > Finally, an "attack" on you may, in your own amazingly inflated ego,
> > be an attack on God, but God doesn't care any more about you than I
> > do.
> >
> > > > I personally don't care what he "presumably" might do. What prompted
> > > > my comments was the tactic of posting in the newsgroups and
> > > > advertising the services as if he were some cheap, ambulance-chaser or
> > > > 900 talk line. It cheapens the alleged beliefs to which you both
> > > > profess. It makes him look like a cheap huckster, and given his past
> > > > antics, it's a shoe that fits.
> > > >
> > > > > brilliant intro to do some evangelism face to face.
> > > >
> > > > get out more.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > njisunderstand the guy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > He knows it, too. That's why he's ducked all of my challenges and
> > > > whines that he's being "stalked" and picked on.
> > >
> > > He is just amazed by the intensity of your personal hate. Well, bring it
> on,
> > > pixie, I'm no stranger to venom.
> >
> > Oh, dear, so we're back to name-calling. What a marvelously loving
> > christian spirit you show this morning, Davey.
> >
> > Oh, well. I guess a 203 cm, 140 kg pixie would be quite a site. I'll
> > try to keep it in mind for my grandchildren's next Halloween party.
> >
> > And, Davey, I harbor no personal hate for you or for Jason. You
> > fellows are far better at illustrations of hate than I am,
> > particularly with your virtiolic messages and the associated threats
> > that we have seen this morning.
> >
> > To me, you're just a couple of faceless lunatics, but Jason is, so
> > far, a fraud, as well - using the Internet to bilk unsuspecting
> > people. I confess that I've never much cared for that and it does get
> > my juices going, but only in an abstract sense. I don't hate Jason
> > because he's no one to me. He's just another fraud.
> >
> > > > > continually misinterpreting his evangelistic approaches as if
> > > > > they were in
> > > > > someway fraudulent or there to make money.
> > > >
> > > > I've never much cared for frauds of any sort; and none of them can
> > > > safely conduct their "business" as long as I'm around.
> > > >
> > > > Ask Ed Conrad.
> > >
> > > Cut it, moron. You're talking with someone who really does unravel real
> > > fraud, and gets well paid for doing it.
> >
> > I'm not impressed. And by the way, did Jesus ever allow you to call
> > someone else a "moron?"
> >
> > Amazing how that phony christian veneer disappears when someone gets
> > your goat, eh?
> >
> > > What do you think I'm doing in Moscow? Visiting the Tretyakov gallery
> > > everyday to see my favorite painting?
> >
> > For all I know, yes.
> >
> > You see, Davey, we have another example of that self-importance of
> > yours - that pathetic ego that is so desiring of attention that you
> > actually created a Usenet group to feed that ego.
> >
> > The fact is that I had no idea that you were in Moscow and I don't
> > care. For all I know, you're sitting in an Internet Cafe in Riga
> > because you couldn't pay for your connection and it got cut off. The
> > fact is that once you justify lying, as you have done, nothing you say
> > can be taken as true at face value.
> >
> > So spare me your boasts. Even if they are true, they are remarkably
> > unimpressive.
> >
> else.
> > > >
> > > > again, you tend to do that with your own, too.
> > >
> > > You're not even qualified to make that assessment.
> >
> > Of course I am. If I were not, I would not have MADE the
> > "assessment."
>
> If that's your idea of proof, then my point stands.
I see.
So your argument, in the end, boils down to "because I say so."
You blow off all rebuttal and have nothing else to say, eh?
Considering all of the noise you've made thus far, that's pretty
pathetic, Davey. You've shown me that you are just another in a long
line of intellectual lightweights.
You've got nothing.
You're nothing.
Have a nice day.
Uncle Davey
Who switched the projector on, I didn't get my coffee.
Uncle Davey
David Sienkiewicz
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< snip >
> > > If that's your idea of proof, then my point stands.
> >
> > I see.
> >
> > So your argument, in the end, boils down to "because I say so."
> >
> > You blow off all rebuttal and have nothing else to say, eh?
> >
> > Considering all of the noise you've made thus far, that's pretty
> > pathetic, Davey. You've shown me that you are just another in a long
> > line of intellectual lightweights.
> >
> > You've got nothing.
> >
> > You're nothing.
> >
> >
> > Have a nice day.
>
> Who switched the projector on, I didn't get my coffee.
You didn't get anything else, either, I see.
AC
> wiadomości news:35fa3772.04031...@posting.google.com...
>>
>> challenged Jason, who has run from me. Do you presume, or did you
>> have a bit of a conversation in email discussing this before you
>> mustered up the courage to enter these exchanges?
>
> Just know this, when you attack one Christian, you attack the whole church,
> and God himself.
It seems to me that Jason is hardly representative of all Christians. Do
you really think people like my wife are going to come to the defense of
that two-bit con man? Grow up DAvey. Your pal keeps taking part in these
questionable activities, and what, you think the Church (whatever that
means) is going to come out in your con-artist web host's defense? I'd
rather think there are more than a few questions who wouldn't mind seeing
"Dr." Gastrich get a bit of what's coming to him. As to God, it seems
pretty amazing to me that you equate giving Gastrich a little of what he
deserves could be considered an attack on God.
Think of it this way. This is one of those wages of sin we're always being
told about.
<snip>
Dick C
> Just know this, when you attack one Christian, you attack the whole
> church, and God himself.
How funny. The reality is that when we point out that some person
doesn't know what he is talking about, or that is a bigot, it is not
attacking anyone but the person involved. And if that person is
claiming that his ignorance and/or bigotry is based on his religion then
we will of course be attacking his religious beliefs. But that says
nothing about what the other few billions of people believe, or about
the god that they believe in. It only pertains to the person in
question.
--
Dick #1349
Damn it . . . Don't you dare ask God to help me.
To her housekeeper, who had begun to pray aloud.
~~ Joan Crawford, actress, d. May 10, 1977
Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com
email: dic...@comcast.net
Jason Gastrich
from further messages.
Jason
catshark
Don't want this discussion interfering with your advertisements?
[Hint: You should remove it yourself if you are serious that it is
off-topic.]
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J. Pieret
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It ain't the parts of the Bible
that I can't understand that bother me,
it is the parts that I do understand.
- Mark Twain -
Seppo Pietikainen
Let's not. Since Davey originally included sdnet.misc we should
continue to keep it included. If not for anything else, just to
keep also them informed about what kind of dishonest snakeoil
peddlers you and Davey really are, "Dr." Jason.
Seppo P.
Ernest Major
Pietikainen <s.piet...@kolumbus.fi> writes
>
>Let's not. Since Davey originally included sdnet.misc we should
>continue to keep it included. If not for anything else, just to
>keep also them informed about what kind of dishonest snakeoil
>peddlers you and Davey really are, "Dr." Jason.
>
Point of order - it was David the lawyer that started the crossposting,
not Davey the accountant.
--
alias Ernest Major
Uncle Davey
Użytkownik "Seppo Pietikainen" <s.piet...@kolumbus.fi> napisał w
wiadomości news:c30tmh$22c295$1...@ID-137900.news.uni-berlin.de...
I did no such thing.
Uncle Davey
Uncle Davey
Użytkownik "Ernest Major" <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> napisał w wiadomości
news:dcYLxQAj...@meden.demon.co.uk...
Thank you for that.
Uncle Davey
Uncle Davey
Użytkownik "AC" <mightym...@hotmail.com> napisał w wiadomości
news:slrnc57gfj.464....@alder.alberni.net...
Why do you continually expect me to turn my back on my brother?
Uncle Davey
Seppo Pietikainen
Yes, you're right and I apologize you for my post.
My apology does not extend to "Dr" Jason, anyhow.
Seppo P.
Seppo Pietikainen
Yes, I was overly hasty in my judgement and I apologize Davey for my post.
Seppo P.
AC
I don't expect you to turn your back on your brother. But if my brother was
taking part in such dishonest activities then you would be right to assume
that I'd take him to the mat over it. My personal opinion is that David
Sienkiewicz probably doesn't have much of a case, but only because
talkorigins.org is not trademarked, leaving it vulnerable to hucksters
trying to fool the unwary. That's the key here, Davey. Jason is trying to
fool people, and I hardly think that is conduct of someone whose stated
mission is to spread the word of God.
Has it ever crossed your mind that Jason is treated the way he is around
here because he does things to deserve it?
David Jensen
<c31o5q$dm0$0...@pita.alt.net>:
When you let people who claim to be Christians act in a very
un-Christian manner, you are turning your back on them.
David Sienkiewicz
>
> Since this message was off-topic for sdnet.misc, let's remove that group
> from further messages.
So...why didn't you do that, Jason?
I confess that though I intended to do that, and actually did a couple
of times, I forgot to do that the other times.
Still, that's easily remedied:
< sdnet.misc removed >
So, why don't you EVER seem to practice what you preach, Jason?
David Sienkiewicz
Jason's original post was posted to sdnet.misc and cross-posted to
free.christians. Considering that it provides more evidence of
huckterism, I added talk.origins. So yes, I added a cross-post, even
if the original post was posted and cross-posted by Jason. I simply
added a group.
A few times when I intended to, I still neglected to remove
sdnet.misc. Once, when I'm sure I DID remove it, it still
cross-posted there. Not being an expert, I'm not sure why.
Regardless, I accept my responsibility, and we cannot hold Davey
responsible for the cross-posting in this thread. Davey added his
vanity group to ONE message, but did not start the cross-posting.
Neither did I. Fair is fair.
Ernest Major
Sienkiewicz <david.si...@attbi.com> writes
>
>Regardless, I accept my responsibility, and we cannot hold Davey
>responsible for the cross-posting in this thread. Davey added his
>vanity group to ONE message, but did not start the cross-posting.
>
>Neither did I. Fair is fair.
>
imprecision.
--
alias Ernest Major
David Sienkiewicz
Not at all. You are correct and I fully accept my responsibility for
the cross-post into talk.origins.
I felt at the time that it was fair to do; but I'm unsure now,
particularly since Jason appears to have all but retreated from the
group in the last week. In light of that and the rather excessive
cross-post of off-topic material in the group for quite some time,
now, I should apologize to you and the other readers, so I do
apologize.