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odin

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Nov 11, 2009, 10:23:47 PM11/11/09
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You don't need terrorists to destroy america, just bankers.

spintronic

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Nov 11, 2009, 10:34:00 PM11/11/09
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On 12 Nov, 03:23, odin <odinoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You don't need terrorists to destroy america, just bankers.

According to Darwin, it all works out in the end.

odin

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Nov 11, 2009, 11:32:36 PM11/11/09
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Nope. Invisible hand of the pseudo free market.

spintronic

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Nov 11, 2009, 11:56:20 PM11/11/09
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Guess you missed my sarcasm.

The only invisible hand, I see affecting world affairs is gods,

bpuharic

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Nov 12, 2009, 6:17:37 AM11/12/09
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:34:00 -0800 (PST), spintronic
<spint...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 12 Nov, 03:23, odin <odinoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> You don't need terrorists? to destroy america, just bankers.


>
>According to Darwin, it all works out in the end.

spoken like a religious fanatic who supports terrorists

spintronic

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Nov 12, 2009, 7:06:49 AM11/12/09
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On 12 Nov, 11:17, bpuharic <w...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:34:00 -0800 (PST), spintronic
>
> <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On 12 Nov, 03:23, odin <odinoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> You don't need terrorists? to destroy america, just bankers.
>
> >According to Darwin, it all works out in the end.
>
> spoken like a religious fanatic who supports terrorists

Who are you to judge terrorists?

Evolution says they are a necesssary evil.

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Burkhard

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Nov 12, 2009, 8:33:46 AM11/12/09
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On 12 Nov, 13:22, nmp <addr...@is.invalid> wrote:

> spintronic wrote:
> > The only invisible hand, I see affecting world affairs is gods,
>
> If it is invisible how can you see it?

The hand is invisible, the blood dripping from it isn't? Like in the
Invisible Man films?

rossum

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Nov 12, 2009, 8:42:19 AM11/12/09
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:23:47 -0800 (PST), odin <odin...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>You don't need terrorists? to destroy america, just bankers.
Who needs terrorists when you have Greek Orthodox Priests instead?

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/article1050707.ece

What a maroon!

rossum

Mitchell Coffey

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Nov 12, 2009, 10:15:02 AM11/12/09
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Great use of metaphor.

Mitchell Coffey

Desertphile

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Nov 12, 2009, 10:41:07 AM11/12/09
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On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:17:37 -0500, bpuharic <wf...@comcast.net>
wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:34:00 -0800 (PST), spintronic
> <spint...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >On 12 Nov, 03:23, odin <odinoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>> You don't need terrorists? to destroy america, just bankers.

All it took was a political party claiming to be "conservatives."

>> According to Darwin, it all works out in the end.

Appears Mental.



> spoken like a religious fanatic who supports terrorists


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odin

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Nov 12, 2009, 10:51:26 AM11/12/09
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He knows all the tricks...

Ye Old One

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Nov 12, 2009, 11:25:38 AM11/12/09
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:23:47 -0800 (PST), odin <odin...@yahoo.com>
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>You don't need terrorists? to destroy america, just bankers.

In reality creationists will do a better job.


--
Bob.

Theists think all gods but theirs are false. Atheists simply don't
make an exception for the last one.

Kermit

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Nov 12, 2009, 12:04:43 PM11/12/09
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Looking outside my window at the clouds, I see a bunny rabbit.

Kermit

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odin

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Nov 12, 2009, 12:40:49 PM11/12/09
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Oh yah... I see it too now.

Kermit

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Nov 12, 2009, 1:34:35 PM11/12/09
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[..]

OK, evidence is verified. Now I just need a testable model.

Kermit

John Wilkins

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Nov 12, 2009, 5:37:02 PM11/12/09
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In article
<4e441a45-e71e-44c9...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Kermit <unrestra...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Nov 11, 8:56�pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On 12 Nov, 04:32, odin <odinoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Nov 11, 7:34�pm, spintronic <spintro...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > On 12 Nov, 03:23, odin <odinoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >

> > > > > You don't need terrorists? to destroy america, just bankers.


> >
> > > > According to Darwin, it all works out in the end.
> >
> > > Nope. Invisible hand of the pseudo free market.
> >
> > Guess you missed my sarcasm.
> >
> > The only invisible hand, I see affecting world affairs is gods,
>
> Looking outside my window at the clouds, I see a bunny rabbit.
>

I was going to say I saw a ducky and a horsey, but I changed my mind.

Jack Frieze

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Nov 12, 2009, 6:01:28 PM11/12/09
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On Nov 12, 4:37 pm, John Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
> In article
> <4e441a45-e71e-44c9-9fc8-2f449d248...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,

>
>
> I was going to say I saw a ducky and a horsey, but I changed my mind.

"Peanuts" RFTW.

J.F

heekster

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Nov 12, 2009, 6:43:53 PM11/12/09
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On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 09:37:02 +1100, John Wilkins <jo...@wilkins.id.au>
wrote:

I tawt I taw a Higgs bosom.

bpuharic

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Nov 14, 2009, 8:11:58 PM11/14/09
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:34:00 -0800 (PST), spintronic
<spint...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 12 Nov, 03:23, odin <odinoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> You don't need terrorists? to destroy america, just bankers.


>
>According to Darwin, it all works out in the end.

guess spinny's forgotten all terrorists believe in god. and kill in
the name of god

bpuharic

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Nov 14, 2009, 11:52:15 PM11/14/09
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evolution also says ballet dancing is necessary and that wendy's makes
the best burgers

anything else you wanna blame on evolution?

guess you forgot that all terrorists are religious fanatics...just l
ike you.

Mike Lyle

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Nov 15, 2009, 10:31:26 AM11/15/09
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bpuharic wrote:
[...]
>
> guess you forgot that all terrorists are religious fanatics[...]

I suppose we need to take it in turns to tell you to stop going over the
top like that, and I did wait till you repeated it. You do your cause
harm. Not much harm, I admit, but it would be better if you didn't do
it.

--
Mike.


bpuharic

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Nov 15, 2009, 4:26:16 PM11/15/09
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fine. you go find me a worldwide terrorist group that is not islamist,
OK?

Burkhard

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Nov 15, 2009, 4:53:19 PM11/15/09
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Isn't that rather moving the goalposts? "Worldwide" wasn't in the post
of you to which Mike replied.

As for secular terrorist organisations, off the top of my head I'd say
there is ETA, the various splinter groups that came from the
Revolutionary Organization 17 November, Shining Path, UNLF, FARC, ELF
(which would even meet your new requirement of being worldwide),
the Red Brigades-PCC (another potential candidate for an
internationally linked organisation, NLA, a Leninist group in Turkey
with a name too long to remember, and undoubtedly a long list of racist,
communist or nationalist groups.

Mike Lyle

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Nov 16, 2009, 10:27:45 AM11/16/09
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Burkhard wrote:
> bpuharic wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:31:26 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
>> <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> bpuharic wrote: [...]
>>>> guess you forgot that all terrorists are religious fanatics[...]
>>> I suppose we need to take it in turns to tell you to stop going
>>> over the top like that, and I did wait till you repeated it. You do
>>> your cause harm. Not much harm, I admit, but it would be better if
>>> you didn't do it.
>>
>> fine. you go find me a worldwide terrorist group that is not
>> islamist, OK?
>>
> Isn't that rather moving the goalposts? "Worldwide" wasn't in the post
> of you to which Mike replied.

Nor "Islamist", for that matter, as far as I remember.


>
> As for secular terrorist organisations, off the top of my head I'd say
> there is ETA, the various splinter groups that came from the
> Revolutionary Organization 17 November, Shining Path, UNLF, FARC, ELF
> (which would even meet your new requirement of being worldwide),
> the Red Brigades-PCC (another potential candidate for an
> internationally linked organisation, NLA, a Leninist group in Turkey
> with a name too long to remember,

TKP-MLetc? They're prone enough to fission and recombination under
assorted names to keep an evolutionary sociologist happy for a lifetime.

> and undoubtedly a long list of
> racist, communist or nationalist groups.

Those'll do for now! Some others are perhaps too controversial to
mention here.

--
Mike.


bpuharic

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Nov 17, 2009, 7:27:57 PM11/17/09
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On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:53:19 +0000, Burkhard <b.sc...@ed.ac.uk>
wrote:

>bpuharic wrote:
>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:31:26 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
>> <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> bpuharic wrote: [...]
>>>> guess you forgot that all terrorists are religious fanatics[...]
>>> I suppose we need to take it in turns to tell you to stop going
>>> over the top like that, and I did wait till you repeated it. You do
>>> your cause harm. Not much harm, I admit, but it would be better if
>>> you didn't do it.
>>
>> fine. you go find me a worldwide terrorist group that is not
>> islamist, OK?
>>
>Isn't that rather moving the goalposts? "Worldwide" wasn't in the post

>of you to which Mike replied.''

ocal guys don't bother me. no one knows what a 'local' terrorist is.
the worldwider terrorist groups threatening peace today are all
religious

>
>As for secular terrorist organisations, off the top of my head I'd say
>there is ETA

although i agree ETA is a terrorist group, they're certainly confined
to the pyrenees...and they threaten no one who isn't spanish or french
and in 'their' homeland

the various splinter groups that came from the
>Revolutionary Organization 17 November, Shining Path, UNLF, FARC, ELF
>(which would even meet your new requirement of being worldwide),

most of these are gone.

>the Red Brigades-PCC (another potential candidate for an
>internationally linked organisation, NLA, a Leninist group in Turkey
>with a name too long to remember, and undoubtedly a long list of racist,
>communist or nationalist groups.

these are all basically local bankrobbers. they're not anything like
al qaida or lashkar e taiba or hezbollah, etc

bpuharic

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Nov 17, 2009, 7:29:00 PM11/17/09
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:27:45 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
<mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>Burkhard wrote:
>> bpuharic wrote:
>>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:31:26 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
>>> <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> bpuharic wrote: [...]
>>>>> guess you forgot that all terrorists are religious fanatics[...]
>>>> I suppose we need to take it in turns to tell you to stop going
>>>> over the top like that, and I did wait till you repeated it. You do
>>>> your cause harm. Not much harm, I admit, but it would be better if
>>>> you didn't do it.
>>>
>>> fine. you go find me a worldwide terrorist group that is not
>>> islamist, OK?
>>>
>> Isn't that rather moving the goalposts? "Worldwide" wasn't in the post
>> of you to which Mike replied.
>
>Nor "Islamist", for that matter, as far as I remember.

any religoius fanatics who are terrorists who ARENT islamists?

>
>> and undoubtedly a long list of
>> racist, communist or nationalist groups.
>
>Those'll do for now! Some others are perhaps too controversial to
>mention here.

mostly local bankrobbers and drug dealers.

Mike Lyle

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Nov 18, 2009, 5:49:03 PM11/18/09
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bpuharic wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:27:45 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
> <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Burkhard wrote:
>>> bpuharic wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:31:26 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
>>>> <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> bpuharic wrote: [...]
>>>>>> guess you forgot that all terrorists are religious fanatics[...]
>>>>> I suppose we need to take it in turns to tell you to stop going
>>>>> over the top like that, and I did wait till you repeated it. You
>>>>> do your cause harm. Not much harm, I admit, but it would be
>>>>> better if you didn't do it.
>>>>
>>>> fine. you go find me a worldwide terrorist group that is not
>>>> islamist, OK?
>>>>
>>> Isn't that rather moving the goalposts? "Worldwide" wasn't in the
>>> post of you to which Mike replied.
>>
>> Nor "Islamist", for that matter, as far as I remember.
>
> any religoius fanatics who are terrorists who ARENT islamists?

You're doing a fine job of narrowing it down after your initial broad
statement: you could have done that to start with. There are, of course,
Catholic, Protestant, Hindu, Muslim-but-not-Islamist, LRA; no Jewish or
Sikh ones at present that I know of. But you'll say you only meant the
ones you meant.


>
>>
>>> and undoubtedly a long list of
>>> racist, communist or nationalist groups.
>>
>> Those'll do for now! Some others are perhaps too controversial to
>> mention here.
>
> mostly local bankrobbers and drug dealers.

Perhaps; but I wouldn't be so confident about it. You could have said
the same about the IRA.

--
Mike.


Burkhard

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Nov 18, 2009, 6:04:26 PM11/18/09
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bpuharic wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:27:45 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
> <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Burkhard wrote:
>>> bpuharic wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:31:26 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
>>>> <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> bpuharic wrote: [...]
>>>>>> guess you forgot that all terrorists are religious fanatics[...]
>>>>> I suppose we need to take it in turns to tell you to stop going
>>>>> over the top like that, and I did wait till you repeated it. You do
>>>>> your cause harm. Not much harm, I admit, but it would be better if
>>>>> you didn't do it.
>>>> fine. you go find me a worldwide terrorist group that is not
>>>> islamist, OK?
>>>>
>>> Isn't that rather moving the goalposts? "Worldwide" wasn't in the post
>>> of you to which Mike replied.
>> Nor "Islamist", for that matter, as far as I remember.
>
> any religoius fanatics who are terrorists who ARENT islamists?


Sure, have those as well:

"During 2008 and 2009, dissident Irish Republican terrorists have
targeted the Police Service of Northern Ireland, carrying out gun, bomb
and rocket attacks against police patrols and individual officers. The
Real IRA and Continuity IRA claimed responsibility for the killings of
two soldiers and a police officer in March 2009." (from MI5 webpage)

and increasingly deadly Hindu terrorist groups - which in one case
managed to get Muslims blamed:

http://tinyurl.com/5ndenp

>

Burkhard

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Nov 18, 2009, 6:14:21 PM11/18/09
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Mike Lyle wrote:
> bpuharic wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:27:45 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
>> <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Burkhard wrote:
>>>> bpuharic wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 15:31:26 -0000, "Mike Lyle"
>>>>> <mike_l...@REMOVETHISyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> bpuharic wrote: [...]
>>>>>>> guess you forgot that all terrorists are religious fanatics[...]
>>>>>> I suppose we need to take it in turns to tell you to stop going
>>>>>> over the top like that, and I did wait till you repeated it. You
>>>>>> do your cause harm. Not much harm, I admit, but it would be
>>>>>> better if you didn't do it.
>>>>> fine. you go find me a worldwide terrorist group that is not
>>>>> islamist, OK?
>>>>>
>>>> Isn't that rather moving the goalposts? "Worldwide" wasn't in the
>>>> post of you to which Mike replied.
>>> Nor "Islamist", for that matter, as far as I remember.
>> any religoius fanatics who are terrorists who ARENT islamists?
>
> You're doing a fine job of narrowing it down after your initial broad
> statement: you could have done that to start with. There are, of course,
> Catholic, Protestant, Hindu, Muslim-but-not-Islamist, LRA; no Jewish or
> Sikh ones at present that I know of.


Couple of Sikh ones - and they even tick the "international" box,with
groups in the UK and Canada involved at least in fundraising


There was a BBC documentary about this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/26_02_08_fo4_sikh.pdf

see also
http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/oct/14punjab1.htm

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