In the News: 'Creationism' school opens its doors
Jason Spaceman
---------------------------------
The King's Academy in Middlesbrough, is a partnership between the
Department for Education and the Wearside-based Vardy Foundation.
It is a sister facility to Gateshead's Emmanuel College, which already
has a "creationism" curriculum.
The boss of Sunderland-based car dealership Reg Vardy has provided
much of the cash for the school - and plans more throughout the UK.
Pupils there are taught biblical creationism - the belief that the Old
Testament account of creation is true - along with evolutionary
theory.
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Read it at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tees/3088444.stm
J. Spaceman
Steven Carr
(Jason Spaceman) wrote:
>From the article:
>---------------------------------
>The King's Academy in Middlesbrough, is a partnership between the
>Department for Education and the Wearside-based Vardy Foundation.
>It is a sister facility to Gateshead's Emmanuel College, which already
>has a "creationism" curriculum.
>The boss of Sunderland-based car dealership Reg Vardy has provided
>much of the cash for the school - and plans more throughout the UK.
>Pupils there are taught biblical creationism - the belief that the Old
>Testament account of creation is true - along with evolutionary
>theory.
>Read it at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tees/3088444.stm
One wonders how well evolutionary theory is taught there.
Steven Carr
ste...@bowness.demon.co.uk
http://www.bowness.demon.co.uk/
Christopher A. Lee
This is actually quite old news, and is another nail in the coffin of
Bliar's re-election hopes. It surfaced when Emmanuel College hosted an
international creationism convention addressed by Ken Ham.
Which means they had been operating under cover until they felt
confident enough to go public.
These City Technology Colleges were set up by Margaret Thatcher as a
way of using market forces to reduce government funding in schools. It
was supposed to be a partnership with local industry providing some of
the funding, and teaching kids the skills the industry required. The
"industry" was a chain of used-car dealerships.
Thatcher had this phobia against government involvement and
expenditure, and removed these schools from the regular inspection
process. Instead she formed an independent body called Ofsted which
was supposed to be self-regulating. It turned out that the Ofsted
inspector who gave Emmanuel College a glowing report was the
headmaster of a small Seventh Day Adventist school in North London.
When it was discovered, questions were asked in parliament, and Bliar
sounded just like Bush or Lieberman - waffling about creationism being
a valid alternative that a lot of people believed.
You get this sort of thing happening when proper oversight is removed.
J Yossarian
Interesting -- despite extensive lobbying and legal action, not to
mention substantial public support, creationists in the USA have not
achieved this much. Score one for a written constitution and mandated
separation between church and state.
Cheers,
J
JPG
I can't be absolutely certain, but I believe the school is private,
and I also believe that American private schools can push whatever
religion they want.
However, many British State (Public) schools are nominally "faith"
schools where the faith in question (usually Anglican and Catholic
with a few Jewish in big cities) contributes some money and the school
is expected to provide collective acts of worship and other such
time-wasting activities.
These schools are usually popular with parents as they retain a
smattering of the old-style discipline absent from many schools today
and they also attract better teachers. They can usually be
distinguished by strict rules of dress (school uniform).
Apart from a clamour from Moslems for their own faith schools the
schools are usually supported by fairly liberal religions and
therefore there is no chance that "creation science" would be taught.
JPG
>
>Cheers,
>J
Chris Wiswell
"Steven Carr" <ste...@bowness.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3f5c6921...@news.demon.co.uk...
> On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:29:13 +0000 (UTC), jspa...@linuxquestions.net
> (Jason Spaceman) wrote:
>
> >From the article:
> >Testament account of creation is true - along with evolutionary
> >theory.
>
> >Read it at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tees/3088444.stm
>
> One wonders how well evolutionary theory is taught there.
>
I'm sure they get at least a day or so...
"Evilutionists believe that a bunch of organic molecules were made by
lightning (Frankenstein-style) and randomly came together to make fish,
which turned into monkeys, which turned into people. Now on to taxonomy..."
Daniel Kolle
>From the article:
>
>---------------------------------
>The King's Academy in Middlesbrough, is a partnership between the
>Department for Education and the Wearside-based Vardy Foundation.
>
>It is a sister facility to Gateshead's Emmanuel College, which already
>has a "creationism" curriculum.
>
>The boss of Sunderland-based car dealership Reg Vardy has provided
>much of the cash for the school - and plans more throughout the UK.
>
>Pupils there are taught biblical creationism - the belief that the Old
>Testament account of creation is true - along with evolutionary
>theory.
Well, at least they are also taught evolution. The smart students can
filter the Creationism out.
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PeteM
>et
>> (Jason Spaceman) wrote:
>>
>> >From the article:
>> >Pupils there are taught biblical creationism - the belief that the Old
>> >Testament account of creation is true - along with evolutionary
>> >theory.
>>
>> >Read it at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tees/3088444.stm
>>
>> One wonders how well evolutionary theory is taught there.
>>
>
>I'm sure they get at least a day or so...
>"Evilutionists believe that a bunch of organic molecules were made by
>lightning (Frankenstein-style) and randomly came together to make fish,
>which turned into monkeys, which turned into people. Now on to taxonomy..."
To comment usefully one would have to know just what they *do* teach.
The BBC story does not go into sufficient detail to judge.
--
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KelvynT
UK State schools are not publicly-funded schools - Public schools are
private schools. Yes, I know, we're eccentric.. State schools are
*not* 'faith' schools, but many private (Public) schools are.
Kelvyn
Frank J
Exerpt from the article:
"Pupils there are taught biblical creationism - the belief that the
Old Testament account of creation is true - along with evolutionary
theory. "
Obvious questions:
1. Which account? Young-earth? day-age? gap?
2. Does evolution get equal time with one version, or many?
3. Is intra-creationism debating allowed?
4. Where is the Discovery Institite on this? Since this is exactly the
approach they take pains not to use, would I be off-base to think that
they should object even more strongly than mainstream science?
Frank J
> jspa...@linuxquestions.net (Jason Spaceman) thought hard and said:
>
> >From the article:
> >
> >---------------------------------
> >The King's Academy in Middlesbrough, is a partnership between the
> >Department for Education and the Wearside-based Vardy Foundation.
> >
> >It is a sister facility to Gateshead's Emmanuel College, which already
> >has a "creationism" curriculum.
> >
> >The boss of Sunderland-based car dealership Reg Vardy has provided
> >much of the cash for the school - and plans more throughout the UK.
> >
> >Pupils there are taught biblical creationism - the belief that the Old
> >Testament account of creation is true - along with evolutionary
> >theory.
>
> Well, at least they are also taught evolution. The smart students can
> filter the Creationism out.
Not if they teach the creationist caricature of evolution instead of
the real thing. One thing that the mutually contradictory creationist
strategies have eerily in common is how they misrepresent evolution.
Al Klein
<DKo...@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
>Well, at least they are also taught evolution.
Depends on what they're taught about it.
> The smart students can filter the Creationism out.
Not if it's taught "right".
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Al Klein
<postm...@bermuda.triangle> posted in alt.atheism:
>Chris Wiswell <cwis...@speakeasy.org> averred
>>"Steven Carr" <ste...@bowness.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:3f5c6921...@news.demon.co.uk...
>>> On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:29:13 +0000 (UTC), jspaceman@linuxquestions.n
>>et
>>> (Jason Spaceman) wrote:
>>> >From the article:
>>> >Pupils there are taught biblical creationism - the belief that the Old
>>> >Testament account of creation is true - along with evolutionary
>>> >theory.
>>> >Read it at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tees/3088444.stm
>>> One wonders how well evolutionary theory is taught there.
>>I'm sure they get at least a day or so...
>>"Evilutionists believe that a bunch of organic molecules were made by
>>lightning (Frankenstein-style) and randomly came together to make fish,
>>which turned into monkeys, which turned into people. Now on to taxonomy..."
>To comment usefully one would have to know just what they *do* teach.
>The BBC story does not go into sufficient detail to judge.
From the story one can hear the strains of "evolution is only a theory
...."
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JPG
I tried to avoid the eccentricity and used "public" and "private"
schools in the American sense, as most of the newsgroup contributors
will be more familiar with this usage.
JPG
J Yossarian
Note the first line of the article -- "...a partnership between the
Department for Education and the Wearside-based Vardy Foundation."
This is a school with partial government support pushing creationism.
Cheers,
J
Colin Davidson
> Well, at least they are also taught evolution. The smart students can
> filter the Creationism out.
Lets put this into the perspective of Emmanuel CTC's curriculum.
Start by reading the simple statements here:
http://www.emmanuelctc.org.uk/curriculum.htm
Look also at 'Christianity and the Curriculum'
http://www.emmanuelctc.org.uk/curriculum-candc.htm
And the more specific references to science teaching in the school:
http://www.emmanuelctc.org.uk/curriculum-candc-science.htm
There's little room for doubt as to what's being taught in that school. It
saddens me to see such an establishment becoming regarded by many as the
best school in the town I grew up in.
Further digging about will produce this document by the principal and former
principal of that institution:
http://www.christian.org.uk/html-publications/schoolcu.htm
Thought that might help you chaps here get up to speed on how things are
done at this school.
Ernest Major
<ca...@biotech.cam.ac.uk> writes
>> filter the Creationism out.
>
>
>Start by reading the simple statements here:
>http://www.emmanuelctc.org.uk/curriculum.htm
>
>Look also at 'Christianity and the Curriculum'
>http://www.emmanuelctc.org.uk/curriculum-candc.htm
>
>And the more specific references to science teaching in the school:
>http://www.emmanuelctc.org.uk/curriculum-candc-science.htm
>
>
>There's little room for doubt as to what's being taught in that school. It
>saddens me to see such an establishment becoming regarded by many as the
>best school in the town I grew up in.
>
>Further digging about will produce this document by the principal and former
>principal of that institution:
>http://www.christian.org.uk/html-publications/schoolcu.htm
>
>Thought that might help you chaps here get up to speed on how things are
>done at this school.
>
>
I was trying to find other news stories on this, to find out who's to
blame. (In the case of Emmanuel College, maybe they introduced the
anticurriculum by stealth, and only Reg Vardy and cohorts are to blame,
but with this second school in Middlesborough, some official or
politician must bear some responsibility.) Didn't find much, but there
was a story in the local press putting a positive spin on it.
<URL:http://icteesside.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0001head/page.cfm?object
id=13383979&method=full&siteid=50080>
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KelvynT
Exactly - that's why it sucks and made the headlines. Sign the
petition here, although it's a bit old and limp now and I don't know
whether it ever went anywhere..
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/justscience/petition.htm
Kelvyn
KelvynT
Excerpt from 'Science'
[one of the 'Biblical Truths' the colllege upholds]
"The Creator is separate from His Creation but is intrinsically bound
up with its support and ongoing workings; "
So basically God is a non-executive director of the Universe.
Kelvyn
Jeremy Martin
people out into the world. What the fuck does that have to do
with whether you believe in evolution or creationism?
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Robin Levett
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> The goal of the school, as stated in the article, is to
turn good
> people out into the world. What the fuck does that have to
do
> with whether you believe in evolution or creationism?
>
>
Well, since there are scientifically knowledgeable
creationists and there are honest creationists, but no
discernible overlap between the sets, one does wonder what
sort of teacher the school finds to teach creationism - and
what moral example they will set the children.
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Clell Harmon
<ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
>On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:39:27 +0000 (UTC), Daniel Kolle
><DKo...@hotmail.com> posted in alt.atheism:
>
>>Well, at least they are also taught evolution.
>
>Depends on what they're taught about it.
>
>> The smart students can filter the Creationism out.
>
>Not if it's taught "right".
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Nick Keighley
> >On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 12:42:36 +0000 (UTC), jyoss...@onebox.com (J
> >Yossarian) wrote:
> >>jspa...@linuxquestions.net (Jason Spaceman) wrote in message
> >>news:<b9401f8a.03090...@posting.google.com>...
> >>> From the article:
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------
> >>> The King's Academy in Middlesbrough, is a partnership between the
> >>> Department for Education and the Wearside-based Vardy Foundation.
> >>>
> >>> It is a sister facility to Gateshead's Emmanuel College, which already
> >>> has a "creationism" curriculum.
> >>>
> >>> The boss of Sunderland-based car dealership Reg Vardy has provided
> >>> much of the cash for the school - and plans more throughout the UK.
> >>>
> >>> Pupils there are taught biblical creationism - the belief that the Old
> >>> Testament account of creation is true - along with evolutionary
> >>> theory.
> >>> ----------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Read it at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tees/3088444.stm
> >>
> >>Interesting -- despite extensive lobbying and legal action, not to
> >>mention substantial public support, creationists in the USA have not
> >>achieved this much. Score one for a written constitution and mandated
> >>separation between church and state.
> >
> >I can't be absolutely certain, but I believe the school is private,
> >and I also believe that American private schools can push whatever
> >religion they want.
> >
> >However, many British State (Public) schools are nominally "faith"
> >schools where the faith in question (usually Anglican and Catholic
> >with a few Jewish in big cities) contributes some money and the school
> >is expected to provide collective acts of worship and other such
> >time-wasting activities.
hevn't you (Kelvyn) got some of this backwards?
> UK State schools are not publicly-funded schools
yes they are. State schools are funded from general taxation, that is
from public funds. Therefore state schools are publically funded.
Or am I missing something?
> - Public schools are private schools.
yes. For historical reasons. When they were founded they were for
anyone who could afford the fees (hence "public"). I believe they
were for the merchant classes whose children couldn't attend
the schools or private tutors of the aristocracy.
> Yes, I know, we're eccentric.. State schools are
> *not* 'faith' schools,
well he said "nominally". I attended a Church of England Primary
school (5-11). It was state funded. Why was it not a State school
or why wasn't it a faith school?
> but many private (Public) schools are.
<snip>
--
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Therion Ware
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:20:42 +0000 (UTC) in alt.atheism, JPG (JPG
<m...@privacy.net>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
Point of Order:
In the UK a "Public" school is a fee-paying private school so named
with the express intention of confusing foreigners and started,
largely in the 19th century (though we have some 3 or 4 times older
than the US) in order to provide well educated but obedient
administrators for the empire.
Many of the less savoury despots in the world are products of the
British Public School system.
>schools are nominally "faith"
>schools where the faith in question (usually Anglican and Catholic
>with a few Jewish in big cities) contributes some money and the school
>is expected to provide collective acts of worship and other such
>time-wasting activities.
>
>These schools are usually popular with parents as they retain a
>smattering of the old-style discipline absent from many schools today
>and they also attract better teachers. They can usually be
>distinguished by strict rules of dress (school uniform).
>
>Apart from a clamour from Moslems for their own faith schools the
>schools are usually supported by fairly liberal religions and
>therefore there is no chance that "creation science" would be taught.
>
>JPG
>
>
>
>>
>>Cheers,
>>J
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Robin Levett
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Point of information - 6-7 times older than the US; King's
Canterbury is 4 years older than my old school (King's
Rochester), having been founded (originally) in 600AD.
Apparently the roads between Canterbury and Rochester
weren't very good in those days...
> in order to provide well educated but obedient
> administrators for the empire.
>
> Many of the less savoury despots in the world are products
of the
> British Public School system.
>
True, but they are well-educated...
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KelvynT
>> >However, many British State (Public) schools are nominally "faith"
>> >schools where the faith in question (usually Anglican and Catholic
>> >with a few Jewish in big cities) contributes some money and the school
>> >is expected to provide collective acts of worship and other such
>> >time-wasting activities.
>
>hevn't you (Kelvyn) got some of this backwards?
Of course I have. I'm an idiot. Thanks.
>> UK State schools are not publicly-funded schools
>
>yes they are. State schools are funded from general taxation, that is
>from public funds. Therefore state schools are publically funded.
>Or am I missing something?
No you're not. I'm still an idiot.
>> - Public schools are private schools.
>
>yes. For historical reasons. When they were founded they were for
>anyone who could afford the fees (hence "public"). I believe they
>were for the merchant classes whose children couldn't attend
>the schools or private tutors of the aristocracy.
>
>> Yes, I know, we're eccentric.. State schools are
>> *not* 'faith' schools,
>
>well he said "nominally". I attended a Church of England Primary
>school (5-11). It was state funded. Why was it not a State school
>or why wasn't it a faith school?
And of course my first school was the Driffield Church of England
Infants School. But entry wasn't linked to denomination (it was the
only school in the town) and the curriculum was no different from any
other state school of the time. Maybe the name was a relic..anyway,
they partly made me the idiot that I am.
One of these days I'll proof read my own posts.
Kelvyn
Mike Dworetsky
"KelvynT" <takethisof...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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I believe the school in question is "grant-maintained" which means that it
is basically a taxpayer-funded school. Religious groups can found a school
and ask for state support, and if the quality of teaching passes inspection,
such support is normally forthcoming. This is entirely possible and normal
in the UK but would be strictly forbidden in the USA. A small amount of
funding comes from the religious community. For example, the Church of
England has to pay the insurance bills for church related schools, because
they are not publicly owned (though they are publicly funded).
> >However, many British State (Public) schools are nominally "faith"
> >schools where the faith in question (usually Anglican and Catholic
> >with a few Jewish in big cities) contributes some money and the school
> >is expected to provide collective acts of worship and other such
> >time-wasting activities.
>
Non-religious state schools also have to have a "collective act of worship"
and religious studies form part of the curriculum.
So far, no atheist schools have asked for g-m status. Could be
interesting...
> UK State schools are not publicly-funded schools - Public schools are
> private schools. Yes, I know, we're eccentric.. State schools are
> *not* 'faith' schools, but many private (Public) schools are.
The confusing term "public school" refers to private schools in the UK. The
state equivalent is (or should I say was) the "Grammar school" where the
"deserving poor" could once receive an education about as good as that of
the toffs of Eton and Harrow.
>
> Kelvyn
>
> >These schools are usually popular with parents as they retain a
> >smattering of the old-style discipline absent from many schools today
> >and they also attract better teachers. They can usually be
> >distinguished by strict rules of dress (school uniform).
Ordinary state schools (not just public schools) have uniforms. This makes
it easier for shopkeepers to identify troublemakers and shoplifters. But
the best reason for uniforms is to end competition between pupils to be
"stylish", and as a parent I can state that it is also a lot cheaper to
clothe your kids if most of the time they have to wear uniforms.
> >
> >Apart from a clamour from Moslems for their own faith schools the
> >schools are usually supported by fairly liberal religions and
> >therefore there is no chance that "creation science" would be taught.
> >
Most of the faith schools teach science in a straightforward manner, and
keep science and religion separate. Emmanuel College is a notable
exception.
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KelvynT
> But the best reason for uniforms is to end competition between pupils to be
>"stylish", and as a parent I can state that it is also a lot cheaper to
>clothe your kids if most of the time they have to wear uniforms.
Not necessarily, if there are several 'approved' manufacturers of the
uniform, which there were in my school days, some of which were much
'better' (expensive) than the others...it was neither cheaper nor did
it end competition. Especially when you had to wear handed-down items.
<sniff>
Kelvyn
Frank J
> "Jeremy Martin" <mrbu...@pattonisgod.com> wrote in message
> news:6u0tlvo7gaugqq2j9...@4ax.com...
> > The goal of the school, as stated in the article, is to
> turn good
> > people out into the world. What the fuck does that have to
> do
> > with whether you believe in evolution or creationism?
> >
> >
>
> Well, since there are scientifically knowledgeable
> creationists and there are honest creationists, but no
> discernible overlap between the sets, one does wonder what
> sort of teacher the school finds to teach creationism - and
> what moral example they will set the children.
I agree that there's no overlap between the sets, but I detect a third
set - one that has little or no scientific knowledge, but seems to
know that they wrong anyway.
Nick Keighley
> >> >However, many British State (Public) schools are nominally "faith"
> >> >schools where the faith in question (usually Anglican and Catholic
> >> >with a few Jewish in big cities) contributes some money and the school
> >> >is expected to provide collective acts of worship and other such
> >> >time-wasting activities.
> >
> >[havn't] you (Kelvyn) got some of this backwards?
>
> Of course I have. I'm an idiot. Thanks.
I don't think anyone from Britain would have been confused, but you
were trying to clarify things for furriners...
> >> UK State schools are not publicly-funded schools
> >
> >yes they are. State schools are funded from general taxation, that is
> >from public funds. Therefore state schools are publically funded.
> >Or am I missing something?
>
> No you're not. I'm still an idiot.
<snip>
> >> [...] State schools are *not* 'faith' schools,
> >
> >well he said "nominally". I attended a Church of England Primary
> >school (5-11). It was state funded. Why was it not a State school
> >or why wasn't it a faith school?
>
> And of course my first school was the Driffield Church of England
> Infants School.
Driffield Yorkshire or Driffield Gloucestershire? Actually the
Gloucestershire one looks to be about four houses and a church.
Does have a school though. The wonders of Ordnance Survey maps.
> [...] But entry wasn't linked to denomination (it was the
> only school in the town)
at my school non-C-of-E were exempt from the religious instruction
(lucky buggers...)
> [...] and the curriculum was no different from any
> other state school of the time. Maybe the name was a relic..anyway,
> they partly made me the idiot that I am.
>
> One of these days I'll proof read my own posts.
<snip>
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JPG
>
>
>"KelvynT" <takethisof...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>news:kg1qlvkm9esphe6v7...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:20:42 +0000 (UTC), JPG wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 12:42:36 +0000 (UTC), jyoss...@onebox.com (J
>> >Yossarian) wrote:
>> >
>> >>jspa...@linuxquestions.net (Jason Spaceman) wrote in message
>news:<b9401f8a.03090...@posting.google.com>...
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>
>Ordinary state schools (not just public schools) have uniforms. This makes
>it easier for shopkeepers to identify troublemakers and shoplifters. But
>the best reason for uniforms is to end competition between pupils to be
>"stylish", and as a parent I can state that it is also a lot cheaper to
>clothe your kids if most of the time they have to wear uniforms.
>
Imaginative pupils have a way of "modifying" school uniform so that it
approximates to current modes.
I was in a shopping mall yesterday in the UK just after school finished and some
of the lengths of the school uniform skirts were frankly - well, they would make
Christina Agilera look like a nun - "pussy pelmet" would be a very apt
description.
JPG
KelvynT
<snip>
>>
>> And of course my first school was the Driffield Church of England
>> Infants School.
>
>Driffield Yorkshire or Driffield Gloucestershire? Actually the
>Gloucestershire one looks to be about four houses and a church.
>Does have a school though. The wonders of Ordnance Survey maps.
Great Driffield, Yorkshire.
>> [...] But entry wasn't linked to denomination (it was the
>> only school in the town)
>
>at my school non-C-of-E were exempt from the religious instruction
>(lucky buggers...)
My family were Primitive Methodists. We sang the school into
submission with a foot-pumped organ.
Kelvyn
Jari Anttila
[snip]
>
> Most of the faith schools teach science in a straightforward manner, and
> keep science and religion separate. Emmanuel College is a notable
> exception.
>
I guess this is the common policy in European schools generally;
to keep science and religion separate. It's the US where they get mixed.
Jari
Jari Anttila
[snip]
>
> There are advantages to centrally defined education standards.
>
And to centrally defined election standards also
(G.W.Bush might disagree).
Jari
Lorrill Buyens
abducted "Colin Davidson" <ca...@biotech.cam.ac.uk>, who protested:
>"Daniel Kolle" <DKo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:hhfplv48oo5d6v7mi...@4ax.com...
>
>> Well, at least they are also taught evolution. The smart students can
>> filter the Creationism out.
>
>Lets put this into the perspective of Emmanuel CTC's curriculum.
>
>Start by reading the simple statements here:
>http://www.emmanuelctc.org.uk/curriculum.htm
>
>Look also at 'Christianity and the Curriculum'
>http://www.emmanuelctc.org.uk/curriculum-candc.htm
I loved this snippet from the Art section:
"In practice, we should actively promote exercises which restore the positive,
creative aspects of Art. For example, in a society where human life has become
cheap and worthless, the artist should avoid an approach that would further
degrade man and should seek instead to restore the value of human life. Figure
drawing and life classes should enhance life rather than twist and distort the
human form."
So much for the whole of abstract art, then.
--
"No collection of individuals is less vindictive than
an audience at amateur theatricals."
- P. G. Wodehouse, _The Intrusion of Jimmy_
Steven Carr
<buy...@interlacken.com> wrote:
>>Look also at 'Christianity and the Curriculum'
>>http://www.emmanuelctc.org.uk/curriculum-candc.htm
>I loved this snippet from the Art section:
>"In practice, we should actively promote exercises which restore the positive,
>creative aspects of Art. For example, in a society where human life has become
>cheap and worthless, the artist should avoid an approach that would further
>degrade man and should seek instead to restore the value of human life. Figure
>drawing and life classes should enhance life rather than twist and distort the
>human form."
Down with this 'Entartate Kunst'!
Steven Carr
ste...@bowness.demon.co.uk
http://www.bowness.demon.co.uk/
maff
>
> ---------------------------------
> The King's Academy in Middlesbrough, is a partnership between the
> Department for Education and the Wearside-based Vardy Foundation.
>
> It is a sister facility to Gateshead's Emmanuel College, which already
> has a "creationism" curriculum.
>
> The boss of Sunderland-based car dealership Reg Vardy has provided
> much of the cash for the school - and plans more throughout the UK.
>
> Pupils there are taught biblical creationism - the belief that the Old
> Testament account of creation is true - along with evolutionary
> theory.
> ----------------------------------
>
> Read it at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tees/3088444.stm
Vardy Foundation
http://tinyurl.com/amy5
>
>
>
> J. Spaceman
M
says...
> Scríobh "Jari Anttila" <jata...@removethis.saunalahti.fi>:
As candidates I hope ;)
M
autod...@city-of-dis.com says...
> In the UK a "Public" school is a fee-paying private school so named
> with the express intention of confusing foreigners
I assume you know the real reason for the naming. For other readers, the
schools were called public since they were open to anyone regardless of
location or other restrictions. The term was coined before the
introduction of fees for attendance of such schools.
> and started,
> largely in the 19th century (though we have some 3 or 4 times older
> than the US) in order to provide well educated but obedient
> administrators for the empire.
The first public school (Eton) was established in the 15th century as a
charity to teach the poor. It was only later that it went for fee paying
students.
> Many of the less savoury despots in the world are products of the
> British Public School system.
True, Blair is a product of the British public school system. ;)
M
Robin Levett
news:MPG.19cfe25b5...@news.theplanet.net...
> In article <7i8plvo929ss3d9mr...@4ax.com>,
> autod...@city-of-dis.com says...
> > In the UK a "Public" school is a fee-paying private
school so named
> > with the express intention of confusing foreigners
>
> I assume you know the real reason for the naming. For
other readers, the
> schools were called public since they were open to anyone
regardless of
> location or other restrictions. The term was coined before
the
> introduction of fees for attendance of such schools.
>
> > and started,
> > largely in the 19th century (though we have some 3 or 4
times older
> > than the US) in order to provide well educated but
obedient
> > administrators for the empire.
>
> The first public school (Eton) was established in the 15th
century as a
> charity to teach the poor.
Not even close to being the first. The oldest (currently
public school) is King's Canterbury - founded 597AD; the
second oldest (but the oldest choir school), King's
Rochester, 604AD; both as monastic schools following St
Augustine's evangelisation. The oldest extant public school
in the next wave is Westminster, founded 1179AD. Even
Winchester was founded ahead of Eton.
> It was only later that it went for fee paying
> students.
>
> > Many of the less savoury despots in the world are
products of the
> > British Public School system.
>
> True, Blair is a product of the British public school
system. ;)
Not quite - he was educated from 14 at Fettes College,
Edinburgh, a fee-paying independent school - and Scottish
schools are poles apart from English schools.
M
says...
[snip]
> > The first public school (Eton) was established in the 15th
> century as a
> > charity to teach the poor.
>
> Not even close to being the first. The oldest (currently
> public school) is King's Canterbury - founded 597AD; the
> second oldest (but the oldest choir school), King's
> Rochester, 604AD; both as monastic schools following St
> Augustine's evangelisation. The oldest extant public school
> in the next wave is Westminster, founded 1179AD. Even
> Winchester was founded ahead of Eton.
Eton was itself also established much earlier than that stated. But the
term public school (as defined in the sense relevant to discussion) was
first used at the time suggested in connection with Eton regardless of
the prior incarnation of the institution.
Just because an institution has been around for over a millenium and is
currently a public school does not mean it has existed as a public
school since inception so providing a list of old school in no way
supports your claim.
> > > Many of the less savoury despots in the world are
> products of the
> > > British Public School system.
> >
> > True, Blair is a product of the British public school
> system. ;)
>
> Not quite - he was educated from 14 at Fettes College,
> Edinburgh, a fee-paying independent school - and Scottish
> schools are poles apart from English schools.
He previously attended Chorister School, Durham, a public school, ergo
he is a product of the British public school system.
Robin Levett
All three schools mentioend were established as charitable
educational institutions. If we are going to argue about
the specifics of that purpose, which in large part were
related to the particular era under discussion, then you may
be right that Eton changed to its current status slightly
ahead of the other three. Your original statement, however,
becomes misleading in that context.
>
> > > > Many of the less savoury despots in the world are
> > products of the
> > > > British Public School system.
> > >
> > > True, Blair is a product of the British public school
> > system. ;)
> >
> > Not quite - he was educated from 14 at Fettes College,
> > Edinburgh, a fee-paying independent school - and
Scottish
> > schools are poles apart from English schools.
>
> He previously attended Chorister School, Durham, a public
school, ergo
> he is a product of the British public school system.
>
Thanks - I'd not been able to establish where he was in
Durham before he went to Fettes, and drew the (incorrect)
conclusion that he'd been within the state system until
then.
Having said that - The Chorister School is a prep school,
therefore not strictly a public school by the current
definition... ;-)