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Ron O
Sep 26, 2012, 7:24:42 AM9/26/12
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I just posted a response and it was added to TO in seconds. Just in
the time that it took to hit the return button it was already listed
when the discussion list came up. Literally, I just hit send and then
return to TO in rapid succession (probably less than 2 seconds) and
the post was already listed when the discussion list came up in the
couple seconds that it takes to do that. How are posts going through
moderation that quickly?
the time that it took to hit the return button it was already listed
when the discussion list came up. Literally, I just hit send and then
return to TO in rapid succession (probably less than 2 seconds) and
the post was already listed when the discussion list came up in the
couple seconds that it takes to do that. How are posts going through
moderation that quickly?
Mike Duffy
Sep 26, 2012, 8:01:37 AM9/26/12
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Ron O <roki...@cox.net> wrote in news:85cdf30f-6ad5-4fd1-a3a9-
a58f5b...@ro10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
> I just posted a response and it was added to TO in seconds. Just in
> .... How are posts going through moderation that quickly?
There is a moderator, but I understand that the moderation is done by a
script. (Probably a blacklist, whitelist, forbidden topic keywords, etc.)
Perhaps you are now "closer" to the moderating server in terms of path hops
or perhaps network infrastructure improvements have improved transit times
of the hops involved for you to make a post.
BTW Ron, I have always found your postings to be informative, unbiased,
free of unwarranted personal attacks, and free of condescention towards
those who are ignorant. (Kudos!)
--
http://pages.videotron.ca/duffym/index.htm
a58f5b...@ro10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
> I just posted a response and it was added to TO in seconds. Just in
There is a moderator, but I understand that the moderation is done by a
script. (Probably a blacklist, whitelist, forbidden topic keywords, etc.)
Perhaps you are now "closer" to the moderating server in terms of path hops
or perhaps network infrastructure improvements have improved transit times
of the hops involved for you to make a post.
BTW Ron, I have always found your postings to be informative, unbiased,
free of unwarranted personal attacks, and free of condescention towards
those who are ignorant. (Kudos!)
--
http://pages.videotron.ca/duffym/index.htm
prawnster
Sep 26, 2012, 8:38:30 AM9/26/12
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On Sep 26, 5:05 am, Mike Duffy <Use_guestbook_p...@website.in.sig>
wrote:
> [...]
again ad diarrheum to be informative.
Unbiased? Heh.
Free of unwarranted personal attacks? Maybe. His attacks are as
personal as possible.
Free of condescension toward those who are ignorant? Wrong. Ronnie
displays maximum condescension towards those he disagrees with.
(Bullcrap!)
wrote:
> [...]
> BTW Ron, I have always found your postings to be informative, unbiased,
> free of unwarranted personal attacks, and free of condescention towards
> those who are ignorant. (Kudos!)
>
Informative? Yes, if you consider the same information again and
> free of unwarranted personal attacks, and free of condescention towards
> those who are ignorant. (Kudos!)
>
again ad diarrheum to be informative.
Unbiased? Heh.
Free of unwarranted personal attacks? Maybe. His attacks are as
personal as possible.
Free of condescension toward those who are ignorant? Wrong. Ronnie
displays maximum condescension towards those he disagrees with.
(Bullcrap!)
Richard Norman
Sep 26, 2012, 9:41:28 AM9/26/12
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 04:24:42 -0700 (PDT), Ron O <roki...@cox.net>
wrote:
Others here certainly have more knowledge than I about the workings of
usenet but my impression is that the moderation is entirely automatic
with a script reviewing the headers for key words but not the content.
(That may have changed in recent years -- a link to the script used to
be posted here twice a month). From then on it gets added to the
darwin - ediacara server (or whatever it is called).
Then there is some black magic by which news servers around the world
share information and update their own message lists. I believe the
delays are pretty much completely in the sharing of the messages. How
long does it take for google groups (apparently your server) to
realize that darwin has a new message and process it for display
compared with how long does it take eternal-september (my server)?
Sometimes messages appear quickly because you happened to catch an
update.
wrote:
usenet but my impression is that the moderation is entirely automatic
with a script reviewing the headers for key words but not the content.
(That may have changed in recent years -- a link to the script used to
be posted here twice a month). From then on it gets added to the
darwin - ediacara server (or whatever it is called).
Then there is some black magic by which news servers around the world
share information and update their own message lists. I believe the
delays are pretty much completely in the sharing of the messages. How
long does it take for google groups (apparently your server) to
realize that darwin has a new message and process it for display
compared with how long does it take eternal-september (my server)?
Sometimes messages appear quickly because you happened to catch an
update.
Mike Dworetsky
Sep 26, 2012, 9:51:54 AM9/26/12
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propagation can send it. The return journey may take longer depending on
the host for your usenet.
Still, that's pretty fast turnaround. Sometimes I find it is much slower.
--
Mike Dworetsky
(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)
Richard Norman
Sep 26, 2012, 10:18:23 AM9/26/12
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http://www.tcpipguide.com/free/t_NNTPInterServerCommunicationProcessNewsArticleProp.htm
Bob Casanova
Sep 26, 2012, 2:30:17 PM9/26/12
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 05:38:30 -0700 (PDT), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by prawnster
<zweib...@ymail.com>:
Every one of your whines applies to nearly all of your
posts, with the exception that you are condescending toward
those who are your intellectual superiors. Hardly
surprising, since your inferiors seem to agree with many of
your prejudices.
Been staring into a mirror again, Prawnarcissus?
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
appeared in talk.origins, posted by prawnster
<zweib...@ymail.com>:
posts, with the exception that you are condescending toward
those who are your intellectual superiors. Hardly
surprising, since your inferiors seem to agree with many of
your prejudices.
Been staring into a mirror again, Prawnarcissus?
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
jillery
Sep 26, 2012, 5:38:32 PM9/26/12
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 10:18:23 -0400, Richard Norman
I didn't see any mention of moderated newsgroups. All Usenet servers,
even GoogleGroups, send posts to Darwin via email. That's why T.O.
becomes Read Only when Darwin is down. Once Darwin receives a post, I
imagine it runs script checking rather quickly, and then passes it on
using NNTP as per your cite.
even GoogleGroups, send posts to Darwin via email. That's why T.O.
becomes Read Only when Darwin is down. Once Darwin receives a post, I
imagine it runs script checking rather quickly, and then passes it on
using NNTP as per your cite.
Richard Norman
Sep 26, 2012, 7:00:13 PM9/26/12
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 17:38:32 -0400, jillery <69jp...@gmail.com>
I didn't bother to cite the references to how moderation works. Yes
when servers receive a post for a moderated group they must send it as
an email to the registered moderation email address. It is all
described at
http://pages.swcp.com/~dmckeon/mod-faq.html
I left it out because if you are not reading news from the same server
that a message was posted to there is one extra step: the email to the
moderator. Since t.o. is robomoderated just as you say that should
make very little difference in how the posting spreads through the
news server community.
If you are reading from the server that receives an unmoderated post,
it should immediately appear because no propagation is then needed.
when servers receive a post for a moderated group they must send it as
an email to the registered moderation email address. It is all
described at
http://pages.swcp.com/~dmckeon/mod-faq.html
I left it out because if you are not reading news from the same server
that a message was posted to there is one extra step: the email to the
moderator. Since t.o. is robomoderated just as you say that should
make very little difference in how the posting spreads through the
news server community.
If you are reading from the server that receives an unmoderated post,
it should immediately appear because no propagation is then needed.
Paul J Gans
Sep 26, 2012, 8:23:38 PM9/26/12
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four times a week I'll see a response to a post ahead of the post
being responded to.
--
--- Paul J. Gans
Ron O
Sep 26, 2012, 8:53:46 PM9/26/12
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On Sep 26, 7:05 am, Mike Duffy <Use_guestbook_p...@website.in.sig>
wrote:
> Ron O <rokim...@cox.net> wrote in news:85cdf30f-6ad5-4fd1-a3a9-
> a58f5b6aa...@ro10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
Several minutes is about as fast as my posts usually show up, so a
couple of seconds was a surprise. It often takes hours for a post to
show up.
You must catch me on my good days. If a person askes an honest
question I give them an honest answer. For trolls and Loki I usually
don't cut then much slack. Guys like Prawnster usually don't even
rate a reply.
Ron Okimoto
wrote:
> Ron O <rokim...@cox.net> wrote in news:85cdf30f-6ad5-4fd1-a3a9-
> a58f5b6aa...@ro10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com:
couple of seconds was a surprise. It often takes hours for a post to
show up.
You must catch me on my good days. If a person askes an honest
question I give them an honest answer. For trolls and Loki I usually
don't cut then much slack. Guys like Prawnster usually don't even
rate a reply.
Ron Okimoto
Ron O
Sep 26, 2012, 8:55:44 PM9/26/12
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On Sep 26, 8:45 am, Richard Norman <r_s_nor...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 04:24:42 -0700 (PDT), Ron O <rokim...@cox.net>
The message just propagated so fast that it surprised me and I was
wondering if something had changed. This thread post propagated in
less than a minute. That is unusually fast for what I am used to.
Ron Okimoto
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 04:24:42 -0700 (PDT), Ron O <rokim...@cox.net>
wondering if something had changed. This thread post propagated in
less than a minute. That is unusually fast for what I am used to.
Ron Okimoto
Richard Norman
Sep 26, 2012, 10:32:56 PM9/26/12
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 17:55:44 -0700 (PDT), Ron O <roki...@cox.net>
wrote:
I, too, have been surprised by exactly the same phenomenon. But the
only explanation I can think of given the mechanism of news server
propagation is that sometimes the timing just clicks.
wrote:
only explanation I can think of given the mechanism of news server
propagation is that sometimes the timing just clicks.
Ray Martinez
Sep 26, 2012, 10:38:27 PM9/26/12
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the same renders him intellectually superior automatically.
Ray
jillery
Sep 26, 2012, 11:22:55 PM9/26/12
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:00:13 -0400, Richard Norman
It's a significant distinction. It explains why T.O. becomes
read-only when Darwin is down, and why all T.O. headers identify
darwin.ediacara.org!.POSTED!there.is.no.cabal
as their Path source.
>If you are reading from the server that receives an unmoderated post,
>it should immediately appear because no propagation is then needed.
AIUI it's the Group which defines whether it's moderated, not the post
or the server.
read-only when Darwin is down, and why all T.O. headers identify
darwin.ediacara.org!.POSTED!there.is.no.cabal
as their Path source.
>If you are reading from the server that receives an unmoderated post,
>it should immediately appear because no propagation is then needed.
or the server.
jillery
Sep 27, 2012, 12:15:31 AM9/27/12
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appears that posts report their time based on the source computer.
jillery
Sep 27, 2012, 12:20:43 AM9/27/12
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 17:55:44 -0700 (PDT), Ron O <roki...@cox.net>
wrote:
That's nothing. I've seen messages replied to *before* they were
posted.
wrote:
posted.
Glenn
Sep 27, 2012, 12:18:49 AM9/27/12
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"jillery" <69jp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2vk768p06544mpemf...@4ax.com...
Rolf
Sep 27, 2012, 12:39:48 AM9/27/12
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"Ray Martinez" <pyram...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e647aa0a-e45c-4d4f...@s9g2000pbh.googlegroups.com...
best and can put us all in our place somewhere far below his exalted self.
> Ray
>
*Hemidactylus*
Sep 27, 2012, 5:03:59 AM9/27/12
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Walter Bushell
Sep 27, 2012, 8:37:47 AM9/27/12
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In article <k406aa$8pk$4...@reader1.panix.com>,
--
This space unintentionally left blank.
> Propagation delays, on the other hand, are easy to spot. Three or
> four times a week I'll see a response to a post ahead of the post
> being responded to.
It does have to be kept in mind that USENET asynchronous.
> four times a week I'll see a response to a post ahead of the post
> being responded to.
--
This space unintentionally left blank.
Paul J Gans
Sep 27, 2012, 12:07:18 PM9/27/12
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Paul J Gans
Sep 27, 2012, 12:14:34 PM9/27/12
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Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <k406aa$8pk$4...@reader1.panix.com>,
> Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>> Propagation delays, on the other hand, are easy to spot. Three or
>> four times a week I'll see a response to a post ahead of the post
>> being responded to.
>It does have to be kept in mind that USENET asynchronous.
Sure. I know that. It was just an example that time of arrival of
>In article <k406aa$8pk$4...@reader1.panix.com>,
> Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>> Propagation delays, on the other hand, are easy to spot. Three or
>> four times a week I'll see a response to a post ahead of the post
>> being responded to.
>It does have to be kept in mind that USENET asynchronous.
a post proves almost nothing.
jillery
Sep 27, 2012, 11:47:32 PM9/27/12
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 08:37:47 -0400, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com>
wrote:
>In article <k406aa$8pk$4...@reader1.panix.com>,
> Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> Propagation delays, on the other hand, are easy to spot. Three or
>> four times a week I'll see a response to a post ahead of the post
>> being responded to.
>
>It does have to be kept in mind that USENET asynchronous.
Let's see how asynchronous it can be :)
wrote:
>In article <k406aa$8pk$4...@reader1.panix.com>,
> Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> Propagation delays, on the other hand, are easy to spot. Three or
>> four times a week I'll see a response to a post ahead of the post
>> being responded to.
>
>It does have to be kept in mind that USENET asynchronous.
Walter Bushell
Sep 27, 2012, 8:23:52 PM9/27/12
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In article <glennsheldon-k40kae$c26$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Glenn" <glenns...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> I've seen pink elephants crossing the road in west Texas.
Communist Republicans?
> I've seen pink elephants crossing the road in west Texas.
Walter Bushell
Sep 27, 2012, 8:24:46 PM9/27/12
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Walter Bushell
Sep 27, 2012, 8:25:28 PM9/27/12
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> *Hemidactylus* <ecph...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Most of my posts appear on t.o. before I finish them completely.
>
> Mine get posted with typos inserted all over the plate.
And people dish out abuse for them.
>
> >Most of my posts appear on t.o. before I finish them completely.
>
> Mine get posted with typos inserted all over the plate.
Paul J Gans
Sep 27, 2012, 9:34:48 PM9/27/12
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Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <glennsheldon-k40kae$c26$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Glenn" <glenns...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> I've seen pink elephants crossing the road in west Texas.
>Communist Republicans?
No. Drunk Texans.
>In article <glennsheldon-k40kae$c26$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Glenn" <glenns...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> I've seen pink elephants crossing the road in west Texas.
>Communist Republicans?
Paul J Gans
Sep 27, 2012, 9:35:44 PM9/27/12
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Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <k41tjm$e8k$5...@reader1.panix.com>,
> Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>> *Hemidactylus* <ecph...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Most of my posts appear on t.o. before I finish them completely.
>>
>> Mine get posted with typos inserted all over the plate.
>And people dish out abuse for them.
That's because of the high utensile strength of them.
>In article <k41tjm$e8k$5...@reader1.panix.com>,
> Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>> *Hemidactylus* <ecph...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Most of my posts appear on t.o. before I finish them completely.
>>
>> Mine get posted with typos inserted all over the plate.
>And people dish out abuse for them.
jillery
Sep 27, 2012, 10:29:54 PM9/27/12
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 23:47:32 -0400, jillery <69jp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Apparently pretty darn asynchronous!
wrote:
John S. Wilkins
Sep 28, 2012, 12:49:38 AM9/28/12
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Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
> Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
> >In article <k41tjm$e8k$5...@reader1.panix.com>,
> > Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>
> >> *Hemidactylus* <ecph...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Most of my posts appear on t.o. before I finish them completely.
> >>
> >> Mine get posted with typos inserted all over the plate.
>
> >And people dish out abuse for them.
>
> That's because of the high utensile strength of them.
Use the Fork, Luke.
> Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
> >In article <k41tjm$e8k$5...@reader1.panix.com>,
> > Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>
> >> *Hemidactylus* <ecph...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Most of my posts appear on t.o. before I finish them completely.
> >>
> >> Mine get posted with typos inserted all over the plate.
>
> >And people dish out abuse for them.
>
> That's because of the high utensile strength of them.
--
John S. Wilkins, Associate, Philosophy, University of Sydney
http://evolvingthoughts.net
But al be that he was a philosophre,
Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre
James Beck
Sep 28, 2012, 2:21:49 AM9/28/12
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On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 14:49:38 +1000, jo...@wilkins.id.au (John S.
Wilkins) wrote:
>Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>> >In article <k41tjm$e8k$5...@reader1.panix.com>,
>> > Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> *Hemidactylus* <ecph...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Most of my posts appear on t.o. before I finish them completely.
>> >>
>> >> Mine get posted with typos inserted all over the plate.
>>
>> >And people dish out abuse for them.
>>
>> That's because of the high utensile strength of them.
>
>Use the Fork, Luke.
Mon Dieu! Here's mote in your eye.
Wilkins) wrote:
>Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>> >In article <k41tjm$e8k$5...@reader1.panix.com>,
>> > Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> *Hemidactylus* <ecph...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Most of my posts appear on t.o. before I finish them completely.
>> >>
>> >> Mine get posted with typos inserted all over the plate.
>>
>> >And people dish out abuse for them.
>>
>> That's because of the high utensile strength of them.
>
>Use the Fork, Luke.
Paul J Gans
Sep 28, 2012, 12:09:14 PM9/28/12
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John S. Wilkins <jo...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
>Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>> Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>> >In article <k41tjm$e8k$5...@reader1.panix.com>,
>> > Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> *Hemidactylus* <ecph...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Most of my posts appear on t.o. before I finish them completely.
>> >>
>> >> Mine get posted with typos inserted all over the plate.
>>
>> >And people dish out abuse for them.
>>
>> That's because of the high utensile strength of them.
>Use the Fork, Luke.
I don't hold with any of them modren inventions like forks.
>Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>> Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:
>> >In article <k41tjm$e8k$5...@reader1.panix.com>,
>> > Paul J Gans <gan...@panix.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> *Hemidactylus* <ecph...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Most of my posts appear on t.o. before I finish them completely.
>> >>
>> >> Mine get posted with typos inserted all over the plate.
>>
>> >And people dish out abuse for them.
>>
>> That's because of the high utensile strength of them.
>Use the Fork, Luke.
Glenn
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