Take the creationist Challenge
TONY
Pangea <xxpa...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
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> This one is for all the Paganos' and Karls' that frequently troll this
NG.
> I'm going to ask a VERY straightforward question and want a VERY
> straightforward response.
>
> Please provide a list of the TOP 5 EVIDENCES FOR SPECIAL CREATION.
>
1. Look around you, man! How could you have existed without a loving
creator?
2. The city of Jericho was found, and yes, it was in RUINS, because God
struck it down!
3. Evolution is impossible-it violates one of the foundamental laws of
the universe, the second law of thermodinamics!
4. Earth has all of the water in the solar system, due to the worldwide
flood. Find another planet that has so much water....
5. It takes more faith to beleive in evolution, and it cuases things like
racism, and ideas like Hitlerism.
> That is all I ask. It's very simple. I'm not asking for you to attack
> evolutionary theory; I'm asking you to support your incessant belief in
> what you apparently view as absolute scientific truth. When you have
> listed these evidences supporting Creationism it will then provide us an
> opportunity to peer review them.
>
> A warning: DO NOT think that simply attacking various aspects of
> evolutionary theory is going to be acceptable (i.e. "There are no
> transitional fossils...." etc.) Your list must strictly point to a
> supernatural creation.
>
> Thank you kindly....
>
> Pangea
>
> --
> - "Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for everyone but a
> fundamentalist minority, whose objections are based not on reasoning but
on
> doctrinaire adherence to religious principles." (James D. Watson)
>
> To reply, please remove "xx" from my address
>
>
David C. Fritzinger
In article <01bd161c$b0b6b060$38f6...@RR2G255.US.DELL.COM>, "TONY"
<TONY_W...@DELL.COM> wrote:
> Pangea <xxpa...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
> <01bd15c2$b1c29500$1789d9cf@vucqpqlj>...
> > This one is for all the Paganos' and Karls' that frequently troll this
> NG.
> > I'm going to ask a VERY straightforward question and want a VERY
> > straightforward response.
> >
> > Please provide a list of the TOP 5 EVIDENCES FOR SPECIAL CREATION.
> >
> 1. Look around you, man! How could you have existed without a loving
> creator?
Evolution
> 2. The city of Jericho was found, and yes, it was in RUINS, because God
> struck it down!
And, your proof for this?
> 3. Evolution is impossible-it violates one of the foundamental laws of
> the universe, the second law of thermodinamics!
First, it's thermodynamics. Second, this strawman has been struck down so
many times that I don't need to do so again. Look in DejaNews
> 4. Earth has all of the water in the solar system, due to the worldwide
> flood. Find another planet that has so much water....
What about the water on Europa? And, besides, even if that is so, what
does that prove? BTW, Show me how the flood happened. Also, show how Noah
fit the millions of species on the Ark. And, no, Karl. No more
Woodmorappe!!!
> 5. It takes more faith to beleive in evolution, and it cuases things like
> racism, and ideas like Hitlerism.
No one "believes" in evolution. Scientists, and the science minded look at
the evidence and find that evolution is the best explanation of the
evidence. Racism has been around in the human race long before Darwin.
Hitler got most of his ideas from German antisemites.
Now, try answering the question. Support your beliefs. Don't just try to
put down evolution.
>
> > That is all I ask. It's very simple. I'm not asking for you to attack
> > evolutionary theory; I'm asking you to support your incessant belief in
> > what you apparently view as absolute scientific truth. When you have
> > listed these evidences supporting Creationism it will then provide us an
> > opportunity to peer review them.
> >
> > A warning: DO NOT think that simply attacking various aspects of
> > evolutionary theory is going to be acceptable (i.e. "There are no
> > transitional fossils...." etc.) Your list must strictly point to a
> > supernatural creation.
> >
> > Thank you kindly....
> >
> > Pangea
> >
> > --
> > - "Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for everyone but a
> > fundamentalist minority, whose objections are based not on reasoning but
> on
> > doctrinaire adherence to religious principles." (James D. Watson)
> >
> > To reply, please remove "xx" from my address
> >
> >
Dave Fritzinger
Bill Caldecutt
TONY wrote in message <01bd161c$b0b6b060$38f6...@RR2G255.US.DELL.COM>...
>> Please provide a list of the TOP 5 EVIDENCES FOR SPECIAL CREATION.
>>
>1. Look around you, man! How could you have existed without a loving
>creator?
>2. The city of Jericho was found, and yes, it was in RUINS, because God
>struck it down!
>3. Evolution is impossible-it violates one of the foundamental laws of
>the universe, the second law of thermodinamics!
>4. Earth has all of the water in the solar system, due to the worldwide
>flood. Find another planet that has so much water....
>5. It takes more faith to beleive in evolution, and it cuases things like
>racism, and ideas like Hitlerism.
Bwwwwwaaaaahahhaaaaaaahhhhhaaaa!!!!! Sorry... whew.... ok, here is a list
of the top 5 evidences for evolution.
1. It's cool.
2. I like it better than creationism.
3. Creationism is silly.
4. Only doody-heads think evolution is dumb.
5. Creationism causes things like the Inquisition.
So there you have it. The above list clearly refutes the validity of
creationism.
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Dept. of Ecology and Evolution
State University of New York at Stony Brook
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Bill Caldecutt
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wf...@enter.netxx
On 31 Dec 1997 13:47:35 -0500, "TONY" <TONY_W...@DELL.COM> wrote:
>
>> Please provide a list of the TOP 5 EVIDENCES FOR SPECIAL CREATION.
>>
>1. Look around you, man! How could you have existed without a loving
>creator?
>2. The city of Jericho was found, and yes, it was in RUINS, because God
>struck it down!
>3. Evolution is impossible-it violates one of the foundamental laws of
>the universe, the second law of thermodinamics!
>4. Earth has all of the water in the solar system, due to the worldwide
>flood. Find another planet that has so much water....
>5. It takes more faith to beleive in evolution, and it cuases things like
>racism, and ideas like Hitlerism.
these are precious little gems...hard to believe people actually
believe them, aint it?
Bill Stuart
"TONY" (TONY_W...@DELL.COM) writes:
> Pangea <xxpa...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
> <01bd15c2$b1c29500$1789d9cf@vucqpqlj>...
>> This one is for all the Paganos' and Karls' that frequently troll this
> NG.
>> I'm going to ask a VERY straightforward question and want a VERY
>> straightforward response.
>>
>>
> 1. Look around you, man! How could you have existed without a loving
> creator?
That is a fallacy. There are many other routes to existance, one
of which is creationism, the other is evolution.
> 2. The city of Jericho was found, and yes, it was in RUINS, because God
> struck it down!
Thousands of ruins have been found, this means nothing.
> 3. Evolution is impossible-it violates one of the foundamental laws of
> the universe, the second law of thermodinamics!
The second law has nothing to do with evolution. We aren't a
closed system.
> 4. Earth has all of the water in the solar system, due to the worldwide
> flood. Find another planet that has so much water....
Jupiter has more water in it than earth does. Some of the moons,
such as Europa and Callisto have ice on them, in some cases a crust
several miles thick.
> 5. It takes more faith to beleive in evolution, and it cuases things like
> racism, and ideas like Hitlerism.
Creationism does not lead to racism any more than Evolution does.
What is hitlerism anyways?
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Adam Noel Harris
Bill Stuart <ah...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote:
:"TONY" (TONY_W...@DELL.COM) writes:
[...]
:> 2. The city of Jericho was found, and yes, it was in RUINS, because God
:> struck it down!
:
: Thousands of ruins have been found, this means nothing.
Obviously, it is evidence for the power of God!
-Adam
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Darren Cooper
On 31 Dec 1997 13:47:35 -0500, TONY wrote:
|4. Earth has all of the water in the solar system, due to the worldwide
|flood. Find another planet that has so much water....
Ha! What a joke. Earth has a bugger all proportion of the water in the
solar system. In fact it is very much devoid of water when you take a
look at any object either outside the asteroid belt or originating
from the outer solar system. Most of the moons of the outer planets
and all the comets are half made of water ice and I must add that the
interiors of the outer planets contain a large proportion of water.
PS. Your other arguments are complete crap too.
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BSc University of Sydney
Australia
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Dick
In article <34b51da2...@news.bigpond.com>, drc-...@WriteMe.com (Darren Cooper) wrote:
>On 31 Dec 1997 13:47:35 -0500, TONY wrote:
>
>|4. Earth has all of the water in the solar system, due to the worldwide
>|flood. Find another planet that has so much water....
>
>Ha! What a joke. Earth has a bugger all proportion of the water in the
>
>PS. Your other arguments are complete crap too.
>
>Email replies to this post are welcome (no spamblocks present).
>Senders of Unsolicited Commercial Email will be forcefed live maggots.
>
Tony, I find few things funnier than a totally serious response to a humorous
post. Congrats, you caught 2 of em, as I write this.
And what's really funny is neither one of them are creationists.
PS to Bill and Darren,
Tony's post was humurous, his arguements were crap because they were
tongue in cheek, They were however better than any creationists is likely to
post.
Dick (Chris) Craven
Professor of Modern Humor from the ICR
University of Ediacara
email: di...@oz.net
Homepage http:/www.oz.net/~dickc
Mark Bare
Your facts sir are as poor as your spelling. Read the second law again and
you will see the phrase 'close system' ..... does the earth look like a
bubble with nothing coming in or going out to you.????
TONY wrote in message <01bd161c$b0b6b060$38f6...@RR2G255.US.DELL.COM>...
>
>Pangea <xxpa...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
><01bd15c2$b1c29500$1789d9cf@vucqpqlj>...
>> This one is for all the Paganos' and Karls' that frequently troll this
>NG.
>> I'm going to ask a VERY straightforward question and want a VERY
>> straightforward response.
>>
>> Please provide a list of the TOP 5 EVIDENCES FOR SPECIAL CREATION.
>>
>1. Look around you, man! How could you have existed without a loving
>creator?
>2. The city of Jericho was found, and yes, it was in RUINS, because God
>struck it down!
>3. Evolution is impossible-it violates one of the foundamental laws of
>the universe, the second law of thermodinamics!
>4. Earth has all of the water in the solar system, due to the worldwide
>flood. Find another planet that has so much water....
>5. It takes more faith to beleive in evolution, and it cuases things like
>racism, and ideas like Hitlerism.
>
Bill Stuart
Dick (nospam...@oz.net) writes:
> Tony, I find few things funnier than a totally serious response to a humorous
> post. Congrats, you caught 2 of em, as I write this.
>
> And what's really funny is neither one of them are creationists.
>
> PS to Bill and Darren,
> Tony's post was humurous, his arguements were crap because they were
> tongue in cheek, They were however better than any creationists is likely to
> post.
Where was the radioactive Halo? That's my favorite one.
Mark Isaak
>creator?
You have it backwards. Your God was created by you. After all, YOU are
the one defining how God had to do things; God gets no say in the matter
according to you.
>2. The city of Jericho was found, and yes, it was in RUINS, because God
>struck it down!
So now "God" is another name for erosion?
>3. Evolution is impossible-it violates one of the foundamental laws of
>the universe, the second law of thermodinamics!
This, of course, has nothing to do with creationism. In fact, it has
nothing to do with evolution or thermodynamics (the real things, not your
misunderstandings of them).
>4. Earth has all of the water in the solar system, due to the worldwide
>flood. Find another planet that has so much water....
Why does the Bible say nothing about the Flood on Mars?
>5. It takes more faith to beleive in evolution, and it cuases things like
>racism, and ideas like Hitlerism.
Creationism is built on a foundation of immorality. Its two most basic
tenants are hubris ("God did things like WE say; He is subordinant to us")
and bigotry ("OUR version of God is the only one that counts"). Its evil
fruits are apparent in your own post (your lies about thermodynamics,
e.g.). Go look at the mote in your own eye.
--
Mark Isaak atta @ best.com http://www.best.com/~atta
"That which you know, you ignore because it is inconvenient. That
which you do not know, you invent." - J. Michael Straczynski
Tim Branan
wf...@enter.netxx wrote:
>On 31 Dec 1997 13:47:35 -0500, "TONY" <TONY_W...@DELL.COM> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Please provide a list of the TOP 5 EVIDENCES FOR SPECIAL CREATION.
>>>
>>1. Look around you, man! How could you have existed without a loving
>>creator?
>>2. The city of Jericho was found, and yes, it was in RUINS, because God
>>struck it down!
>>3. Evolution is impossible-it violates one of the foundamental laws of
>>the universe, the second law of thermodinamics!
>>4. Earth has all of the water in the solar system, due to the worldwide
>>flood. Find another planet that has so much water....
>>5. It takes more faith to beleive in evolution, and it cuases things like
>>racism, and ideas like Hitlerism.
>
>these are precious little gems...hard to believe people actually
>believe them, aint it?
oh, they are certainly very funny. has tony ever read anything that
wasn't written by a creationist? These points of his would seem to
suggest not.
I have a few qestions for "TONY" about number 4...
What about Mars?
here is a little something I found on the "Views of the solar system"
web page. this paragraph discusses the Viking lander, paragraph 4
http://www.hawastsoc.org/solar/eng/marssurf.htm
Without prior knowledge, the terrain at the landing sites could be
mistaken for some of Earth's rocky deserts. Lander 1
pictures showed a gently rolling landscape that is a yellow-brown in
color with rocks of all sizes strewn through out the scene.
The rocks have rough surfaces and are pitted from wind carried
particles. Drifts of fine-grained debris can also be seen in the
pictures. During the Viking 1 winter, a thin layer of water frost
formed on the ground for approximately 100 days out of the
year.
here is another one, taken from a press release (Jan. 17, 1997) from
NASA about the gallielo flyby of Europa:
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/status970117.html
"There are three main criteria to consider when you are looking for
the possibility of life outside the Earth -- the presence of
water, organic compounds and adequate heat," said Greeley. "Europa
obviously has substantial water ice, and organic
compounds are known to be prevalent in the Solar System. The big
question mark has been how much heat is generated in
the interior.
If I am not mistaken, comets are known to contain water ice, as well
as other frozen gasses and bits of debris.
I also found reference on the NASA Cassini project page of their plan
for scientific study of the Icy satellites of Saturn.
they however, did not secifically mention water ice, so this one is a
little iffy.
lastly, I must ask... what is "Hitlerisim" ?
Brent Howatt
TONY (TONY_W...@DELL.COM) wrote:
: Pangea <xxpa...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
: <01bd15c2$b1c29500$1789d9cf@vucqpqlj>...
: > Please provide a list of the TOP 5 EVIDENCES FOR SPECIAL CREATION.
: >
: 1. Look around you, man! How could you have existed without a loving
: creator?
: 2. The city of Jericho was found, and yes, it was in RUINS, because God
: struck it down!
: 3. Evolution is impossible-it violates one of the foundamental laws of
: the universe, the second law of thermodinamics!
: 4. Earth has all of the water in the solar system, due to the worldwide
: flood. Find another planet that has so much water....
: 5. It takes more faith to beleive in evolution, and it cuases things like
: racism, and ideas like Hitlerism.
KABLAAAAMMMM!!!! My Troll-O-Meter just exploded!
On the other hand, if this is not a troll, I can only say that if someone
this stupid is for something; I'm against it.
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Darren Cooper
On 1 Jan 1998 09:46:45 -0500, Dick wrote:
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|PS to Bill and Darren,
|Tony's post was humurous, his arguements were crap because they were
|tongue in cheek, They were however better than any creationists is likely to
|post.
You're right! I must've have still had a hangover from the New Year's
Celebrations the previous night. It wasn't helped by the fact that
arguments from genuine creationists are just as stupid. Happy trolling
TONY.
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Darren Cooper
BSc University of Sydney
Australia
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Tony McGraw
TONY<TONY_W...@DELL.COM wrote in
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OK Tony, have seen in some of your previous threads that
you are not a creationist but here you give us an
opportunity to think.
>1. Look around you, man! How could you have existed
without a loving
>creator?
A loving creator is a matter of opinion. Considering what
we have to go on love is an emotion that has evolved from
a need to keep a particular group together. This is an
adaptation.
>2. The city of Jericho was found, and yes, it was in
RUINS, because God
>struck it down!
This was an earth quake prone area. The walls came
tumbling down many times.
>3. Evolution is impossible-it violates one of the
foundamental laws of
>the universe, the second law of thermodinamics!
That would be true of life in general. However, life is a
solar powered reaction. It has constant input to keep
building on complexity.
>4. Earth has all of the water in the solar system, due to the
worldwide
>flood. Find another planet that has so much water....
Not an astronomer but there is a lot of water out there
(moons, comets, ect.). Wouldn't it be foolish to say that all
the water from the solar system resulted in the flood? What
possible mechanisms would be involved?
>5. It takes more faith to beleive in evolution, and it cuases
things like
>racism, and ideas like Hitlerism.
Faith is blind. If the evidence for a 6000 year old world
existed then I would not think that evolution was possible
and would probably be in a bible ng right now. The causes
for sociological and historical phenomena are complex.
Did Darwin have anything to do with the holocaust?
Probably as much as Adam Smith. It is extremely difficult
to ferret out causes and effects when it comes to the
behavioral sciences. Would it have happened without any
working theory on evolution? Probably, ethnic pride has
been with us for thousands of years.
Good learning tool Tony. Now I'm not sure why some have
been hostile to you; the way I understand this thread is that
you are trying to get us to show what we think and why we
do so.
Tony McGraw
Gods are peripheral phenomena produced by evolution
Sir Julian Huxley
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