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wiki trix
Feb 27, 2012, 10:58:20 PM2/27/12
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I am surely, as you all must know by now, a very educated, rational,
erudite, level-headed, and scientifically minded individual with
parsimonious tendencies. So what happened to me last Friday, while
listening to KFOG, driving after dark in my white VW Cabriolet
convertible , was just a bit startling, to say the least. Driving over
the bridge heading up to Sausalito for a cup of coffee at a friend’s
house, I looked straight up, with the California oceanic wind blowing
through my thinning thrashing white hair, with my pet snapping turtle
on my lap… and what did I see? Why it was two stellar objects in the
night sky that were aligned in a perfectly linear alignment. It took
me by such surprise, so much so that that I almost caused an accident
with myself by me not remaining in alignment with my own lane which I
was needing to stay un-straying from within. But to see that the
linearityness manifested itself so perfectly, forming a line
straighter than any man-made straight edge… well, it just to jump out
of me in the middle of the darkness… and it was virtually a
spiritually emergent experience, suffocating in the depths of truth
and beauty. After pondering that night and the ensuing epiphany that
gradually revealed itself over the last two days for me, I now can
only ask… why are there still humans?
erudite, level-headed, and scientifically minded individual with
parsimonious tendencies. So what happened to me last Friday, while
listening to KFOG, driving after dark in my white VW Cabriolet
convertible , was just a bit startling, to say the least. Driving over
the bridge heading up to Sausalito for a cup of coffee at a friend’s
house, I looked straight up, with the California oceanic wind blowing
through my thinning thrashing white hair, with my pet snapping turtle
on my lap… and what did I see? Why it was two stellar objects in the
night sky that were aligned in a perfectly linear alignment. It took
me by such surprise, so much so that that I almost caused an accident
with myself by me not remaining in alignment with my own lane which I
was needing to stay un-straying from within. But to see that the
linearityness manifested itself so perfectly, forming a line
straighter than any man-made straight edge… well, it just to jump out
of me in the middle of the darkness… and it was virtually a
spiritually emergent experience, suffocating in the depths of truth
and beauty. After pondering that night and the ensuing epiphany that
gradually revealed itself over the last two days for me, I now can
only ask… why are there still humans?
Jenny6833A
Feb 27, 2012, 11:51:35 PM2/27/12
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Michael Siemon
Feb 28, 2012, 1:16:04 AM2/28/12
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In article
<32653231-ad61-47bb...@1g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
> > of me in the middle of the darknessŠ and it was virtually a
>
> eh?
Heh, heh... I sort of second that "eh"! What seems to me _most_ odd is
that, the two points (Jupiter and Venus) _of course_ establish a
"perfectly linear alignment". I find myself wondering if wiki trix
has trouble, generally, with elementary geometry (though, indeed, the
spectacle of the two planets, with the crescent moon moving past them
the last couple of days has been quite delightful).
<32653231-ad61-47bb...@1g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
Jenny6833A <Jenny...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Feb 27, 8:58 pm, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am surely, as you all must know by now, a very educated, rational,
> > erudite, level-headed, and scientifically minded individual with
> > parsimonious tendencies. So what happened to me last Friday, while
> > listening to KFOG, driving after dark in my white VW Cabriolet
> > convertible , was just a bit startling, to say the least. Driving over
> > the bridge heading up to Sausalito for a cup of coffee at a friend¹s
> > house, I looked straight up, with the California oceanic wind blowing
> > through my thinning thrashing white hair, with my pet snapping turtle
> > on my lapŠ and what did I see? Why it was two stellar objects in the
> On Feb 27, 8:58 pm, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am surely, as you all must know by now, a very educated, rational,
> > erudite, level-headed, and scientifically minded individual with
> > parsimonious tendencies. So what happened to me last Friday, while
> > listening to KFOG, driving after dark in my white VW Cabriolet
> > convertible , was just a bit startling, to say the least. Driving over
> > the bridge heading up to Sausalito for a cup of coffee at a friend¹s
> > house, I looked straight up, with the California oceanic wind blowing
> > through my thinning thrashing white hair, with my pet snapping turtle
> > night sky that were aligned in a perfectly linear alignment. It took
> > me by such surprise, so much so that that I almost caused an accident
> > with myself by me not remaining in alignment with my own lane which I
> > was needing to stay un-straying from within. But to see that the
> > linearityness manifested itself so perfectly, forming a line
> > straighter than any man-made straight edgeŠ well, it just to jump out
> > me by such surprise, so much so that that I almost caused an accident
> > with myself by me not remaining in alignment with my own lane which I
> > was needing to stay un-straying from within. But to see that the
> > linearityness manifested itself so perfectly, forming a line
> > of me in the middle of the darknessŠ and it was virtually a
> > spiritually emergent experience, suffocating in the depths of truth
> > and beauty. After pondering that night and the ensuing epiphany that
> > gradually revealed itself over the last two days for me, I now can
> > only askŠ why are there still humans?
> > and beauty. After pondering that night and the ensuing epiphany that
> > gradually revealed itself over the last two days for me, I now can
>
> eh?
Heh, heh... I sort of second that "eh"! What seems to me _most_ odd is
that, the two points (Jupiter and Venus) _of course_ establish a
"perfectly linear alignment". I find myself wondering if wiki trix
has trouble, generally, with elementary geometry (though, indeed, the
spectacle of the two planets, with the crescent moon moving past them
the last couple of days has been quite delightful).
jillery
Feb 28, 2012, 1:48:43 AM2/28/12
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jillery
Feb 28, 2012, 1:48:56 AM2/28/12
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Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Feb 28, 2012, 6:14:16 AM2/28/12
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Kleuskes & Moos
Feb 28, 2012, 6:18:36 AM2/28/12
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between two planets? Especially if they're on either side of the sun?
His "perfectly linear alignment" may still be curved.
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Ron O
Feb 28, 2012, 7:07:44 AM2/28/12
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On Feb 28, 12:16 am, Michael Siemon <mlsie...@sonic.net> wrote:
> In article
> <32653231-ad61-47bb-961a-86a4e5a73...@1g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
He said three points, Can there ever be a Venusian eclipse of Jupiter
or any two of the other planets involved in one covering the other
relative to earth? That has to be rarer than hens teeth.
Ron Okimoto
> In article
> <32653231-ad61-47bb-961a-86a4e5a73...@1g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
or any two of the other planets involved in one covering the other
relative to earth? That has to be rarer than hens teeth.
Ron Okimoto
Walter Bushell
Feb 28, 2012, 8:06:26 AM2/28/12
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In article
<b9f14f22-7953-4b33...@i6g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
"Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.org"
> > of me in the middle of the darknessŠ and it was virtually a
>
> Airbags.
We survived as a species just fine without seat belts even and even with
three lane highways. (One lane in either direction and a suicide lane in
the middle. They were cheaper than 4 lane or especially divided high
ways and kept the cost of Social Security down and also provided for
spare parts for organ transplants. I wonder why we widened them.)
--
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<b9f14f22-7953-4b33...@i6g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
"Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.org"
<rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
> On Feb 28, 3:58 am, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am surely, as you all must know by now, a very educated, rational,
> > erudite, level-headed, and scientifically minded individual with
> > parsimonious tendencies. So what happened to me last Friday, while
> > listening to KFOG, driving after dark in my white VW Cabriolet
> > convertible , was just a bit startling, to say the least. Driving over
> > the bridge heading up to Sausalito for a cup of coffee at a friend¹s
> > house, I looked straight up, with the California oceanic wind blowing
> > through my thinning thrashing white hair, with my pet snapping turtle
> > on my lapŠ and what did I see? Why it was two stellar objects in the
> On Feb 28, 3:58 am, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am surely, as you all must know by now, a very educated, rational,
> > erudite, level-headed, and scientifically minded individual with
> > parsimonious tendencies. So what happened to me last Friday, while
> > listening to KFOG, driving after dark in my white VW Cabriolet
> > convertible , was just a bit startling, to say the least. Driving over
> > the bridge heading up to Sausalito for a cup of coffee at a friend¹s
> > house, I looked straight up, with the California oceanic wind blowing
> > through my thinning thrashing white hair, with my pet snapping turtle
> > night sky that were aligned in a perfectly linear alignment. It took
> > me by such surprise, so much so that that I almost caused an accident
> > with myself by me not remaining in alignment with my own lane which I
> > was needing to stay un-straying from within. But to see that the
> > linearityness manifested itself so perfectly, forming a line
> > straighter than any man-made straight edgeŠ well, it just to jump out
> > me by such surprise, so much so that that I almost caused an accident
> > with myself by me not remaining in alignment with my own lane which I
> > was needing to stay un-straying from within. But to see that the
> > linearityness manifested itself so perfectly, forming a line
> > of me in the middle of the darknessŠ and it was virtually a
> > spiritually emergent experience, suffocating in the depths of truth
> > and beauty. After pondering that night and the ensuing epiphany that
> > gradually revealed itself over the last two days for me, I now can
> > only askŠ why are there still humans?
> > and beauty. After pondering that night and the ensuing epiphany that
> > gradually revealed itself over the last two days for me, I now can
>
> Airbags.
We survived as a species just fine without seat belts even and even with
three lane highways. (One lane in either direction and a suicide lane in
the middle. They were cheaper than 4 lane or especially divided high
ways and kept the cost of Social Security down and also provided for
spare parts for organ transplants. I wonder why we widened them.)
--
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alextangent
Feb 28, 2012, 8:28:29 AM2/28/12
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occultation require the foremost planet to obscure the rearmost, and
given the relative sizes involved... Interestingly, there are no
transits or occultations of any of the planets between the 1818 Venus/
Jupiter event, and 2065 -- again, Venus/Jupiter.
chris thompson
Feb 28, 2012, 8:29:09 AM2/28/12
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On Feb 28, 1:16 am, Michael Siemon <mlsie...@sonic.net> wrote:
> In article
> <32653231-ad61-47bb-961a-86a4e5a73...@1g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
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> In article
> <32653231-ad61-47bb-961a-86a4e5a73...@1g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
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Chris
Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org
Feb 28, 2012, 9:16:57 AM2/28/12
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On Feb 28, 12:07 pm, Ron O <rokim...@cox.net> wrote:
(hypothetically drawn on the sky) straight line.
And, you know, I don't think that that proves very much.
Josh
Feb 28, 2012, 10:05:17 AM2/28/12
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responses from Philistines who wouldn't know the depths of truth and
beauty even if they were turning blue from cyanosis as they smothered
within them. Personally, I can hardly walk through a redwood grove
without finding myself completely submerged at least for a moment or
two. Anything that majestic has got to be designed!
I read your evocative commentary with much joy and only a few instants
of terror while I considered the possibility that it might be some
kind of snarky evolutionist satire. Keep the faith, my brother!
David Canzi
Feb 28, 2012, 11:10:28 AM2/28/12
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evolutionary stage. The new post-human being, having evolved
from humans, wonders why humans still exist.
--
David Canzi | TIMTOWWTDI (tim-toe-woe-dee): There Is More Than One
| Wrong Way To Do It
Josh
Feb 28, 2012, 11:23:16 AM2/28/12
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have to destroy him before he breeds and his superior progeny
supercede us.
Mitchell Coffey
Feb 28, 2012, 12:20:14 PM2/28/12
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keeping upon their laps snapping turtles, which so located maintain
the capacity of denying men all progeny.
Mitchell Coffey
Bob Casanova
Feb 28, 2012, 12:45:11 PM2/28/12
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On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 19:58:20 -0800 (PST), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by wiki trix
<wiki...@gmail.com>:
>I am surely, as you all must know by now, a very educated, rational,
>erudite, level-headed, and scientifically minded individual with
>parsimonious tendencies. So what happened to me last Friday, while
>listening to KFOG, driving after dark in my white VW Cabriolet
>convertible , was just a bit startling, to say the least. Driving over
>the bridge heading up to Sausalito for a cup of coffee at a friend’s
>house, I looked straight up, with the California oceanic wind blowing
>through my thinning thrashing white hair, with my pet snapping turtle
>on my lap… and what did I see? Why it was two stellar objects in the
>night sky that were aligned in a perfectly linear alignment.
Wow, two objects in perfect alignment! *That* can't happen
very often.
Oy...
> It took
>me by such surprise, so much so that that I almost caused an accident
>with myself by me not remaining in alignment with my own lane which I
>was needing to stay un-straying from within. But to see that the
>linearityness manifested itself so perfectly, forming a line
>straighter than any man-made straight edge… well, it just to jump out
>of me in the middle of the darkness… and it was virtually a
>spiritually emergent experience, suffocating in the depths of truth
>and beauty. After pondering that night and the ensuing epiphany that
>gradually revealed itself over the last two days for me, I now can
>only ask… why are there still humans?
Who else is there to make jokes like the above?
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
appeared in talk.origins, posted by wiki trix
<wiki...@gmail.com>:
>I am surely, as you all must know by now, a very educated, rational,
>erudite, level-headed, and scientifically minded individual with
>parsimonious tendencies. So what happened to me last Friday, while
>listening to KFOG, driving after dark in my white VW Cabriolet
>convertible , was just a bit startling, to say the least. Driving over
>the bridge heading up to Sausalito for a cup of coffee at a friend’s
>house, I looked straight up, with the California oceanic wind blowing
>through my thinning thrashing white hair, with my pet snapping turtle
>on my lap… and what did I see? Why it was two stellar objects in the
>night sky that were aligned in a perfectly linear alignment.
very often.
Oy...
> It took
>me by such surprise, so much so that that I almost caused an accident
>with myself by me not remaining in alignment with my own lane which I
>was needing to stay un-straying from within. But to see that the
>linearityness manifested itself so perfectly, forming a line
>straighter than any man-made straight edge… well, it just to jump out
>of me in the middle of the darkness… and it was virtually a
>spiritually emergent experience, suffocating in the depths of truth
>and beauty. After pondering that night and the ensuing epiphany that
>gradually revealed itself over the last two days for me, I now can
>only ask… why are there still humans?
--
Bob C.
"Evidence confirming an observation is
evidence that the observation is wrong."
- McNameless
Bob Casanova
Feb 28, 2012, 12:46:40 PM2/28/12
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 11:18:36 +0000 (UTC), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Kleuskes & Moos
<kle...@somewhere.else.net>:
>On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:16:04 -0800, Michael Siemon wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <32653231-ad61-47bb...@1g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
>> Jenny6833A <Jenny...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 27, 8:58 pm, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > I am surely, as you all must know by now, a very educated, rational,
>>> > erudite, level-headed, and scientifically minded individual with
>>> > parsimonious tendencies. So what happened to me last Friday, while
>>> > listening to KFOG, driving after dark in my white VW Cabriolet
>>> > convertible , was just a bit startling, to say the least. Driving
>>> > over the bridge heading up to Sausalito for a cup of coffee at a
>>> > friendšs house, I looked straight up, with the California oceanic
>>> > jump out of me in the middle of the darkness? and it was virtually a
the observation.
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Kleuskes & Moos
<kle...@somewhere.else.net>:
>On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:16:04 -0800, Michael Siemon wrote:
>
>> In article
>> <32653231-ad61-47bb...@1g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
>> Jenny6833A <Jenny...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 27, 8:58 pm, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > I am surely, as you all must know by now, a very educated, rational,
>>> > erudite, level-headed, and scientifically minded individual with
>>> > parsimonious tendencies. So what happened to me last Friday, while
>>> > listening to KFOG, driving after dark in my white VW Cabriolet
>>> > convertible , was just a bit startling, to say the least. Driving
>>> > over the bridge heading up to Sausalito for a cup of coffee at a
>>> > wind blowing through my thinning thrashing white hair, with my pet
>>> > snapping turtle on my lap? and what did I see? Why it was two stellar
>>> > objects in the night sky that were aligned in a perfectly linear
>>> > alignment. It took me by such surprise, so much so that that I almost
>>> > caused an accident with myself by me not remaining in alignment with
>>> > my own lane which I was needing to stay un-straying from within. But
>>> > to see that the linearityness manifested itself so perfectly, forming
>>> > a line straighter than any man-made straight edge? well, it just to
>>> > alignment. It took me by such surprise, so much so that that I almost
>>> > caused an accident with myself by me not remaining in alignment with
>>> > my own lane which I was needing to stay un-straying from within. But
>>> > to see that the linearityness manifested itself so perfectly, forming
>>> > jump out of me in the middle of the darkness? and it was virtually a
>>> > spiritually emergent experience, suffocating in the depths of truth
>>> > and beauty. After pondering that night and the ensuing epiphany that
>>> > gradually revealed itself over the last two days for me, I now can
>>> > only ask? why are there still humans?
>>> > and beauty. After pondering that night and the ensuing epiphany that
>>> > gradually revealed itself over the last two days for me, I now can
>>>
>>> eh?
>>
>> Heh, heh... I sort of second that "eh"! What seems to me _most_ odd is
>> that, the two points (Jupiter and Venus) _of course_ establish a
>> "perfectly linear alignment". I find myself wondering if wiki trix has
>> trouble, generally, with elementary geometry (though, indeed, the
>> spectacle of the two planets, with the crescent moon moving past them
>> the last couple of days has been quite delightful).
>
>Just nitpicking here, but does Einstein not object to straight lines
>between two planets? Especially if they're on either side of the sun?
>
>His "perfectly linear alignment" may still be curved.
But not visibly so, since the alignment is an artifact of
>>> eh?
>>
>> Heh, heh... I sort of second that "eh"! What seems to me _most_ odd is
>> that, the two points (Jupiter and Venus) _of course_ establish a
>> "perfectly linear alignment". I find myself wondering if wiki trix has
>> trouble, generally, with elementary geometry (though, indeed, the
>> spectacle of the two planets, with the crescent moon moving past them
>> the last couple of days has been quite delightful).
>
>Just nitpicking here, but does Einstein not object to straight lines
>between two planets? Especially if they're on either side of the sun?
>
>His "perfectly linear alignment" may still be curved.
the observation.
David Canzi
Feb 28, 2012, 12:47:03 PM2/28/12
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Bob Casanova
Feb 28, 2012, 12:48:47 PM2/28/12
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 04:07:44 -0800 (PST), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Ron O
<roki...@cox.net>:
He did? Where? What I read was "...two stellar objects in
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Ron O
<roki...@cox.net>:
the night sky that were aligned in a perfectly linear
alignment".
alignment".
Josh
Feb 28, 2012, 1:24:37 PM2/28/12
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:47:03 +0000 (UTC), "David Canzi"
We need to get that snapping turtle, too. It's probably his alien
confederate.
confederate.
jillery
Feb 28, 2012, 1:49:00 PM2/28/12
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:06:26 -0500, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com>
wrote:
Wider spare parts are a consequence of an ever larger adult
population.
wrote:
population.
Mitchell Coffey
Feb 28, 2012, 1:43:38 PM2/28/12
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On Feb 28, 1:16 am, Michael Siemon <mlsie...@sonic.net> wrote:
[snip]
Snob.
Mitchell
[snip]
> I find myself wondering if wiki trix
> has trouble, generally, with elementary geometry
[snip]
> has trouble, generally, with elementary geometry
Snob.
Mitchell
Mitchell Coffey
Feb 28, 2012, 3:23:38 PM2/28/12
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when I lived in Berkeley - it was not uncommon to see stars aligned as
tesseracts.
Mitchell
wiki trix
Feb 28, 2012, 6:05:35 PM2/28/12
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On Feb 27, 10:16 pm, Michael Siemon <mlsie...@sonic.net> wrote:
> In article
> <32653231-ad61-47bb-961a-86a4e5a73...@1g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
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> In article
> <32653231-ad61-47bb-961a-86a4e5a73...@1g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
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yellow manta ray geometry, my dear Watson. But yes, it was nice to see
those planets play alongside the crescent moon’s path as it descended
to the horizon. Those planets indeed were the two objects that I was
referring to.
wiki trix
Feb 28, 2012, 6:12:09 PM2/28/12
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On Feb 28, 3:18 am, Kleuskes & Moos <kleu...@somewhere.else.net>
wrote:
Einstein does not object to straight lines between planets. In GR, a
geodesic a generalization of the straight line, defined as the
shortest path between two points in curved space-time. If there does
exist a shortest path between two planets, then voila. When things get
very twisted at the subatomic level, there may even be multiple
distinct straight lines between point pairs. But I was not referring
to that scenario.
> His "perfectly linear alignment" may still be curved.
True. But that would only be a projection into the newtonian model.
Gay Relativity would still call it straight.
wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 22:16:04 -0800, Michael Siemon wrote:
> > In article
> > <32653231-ad61-47bb-961a-86a4e5a73...@1g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
> > In article
geodesic a generalization of the straight line, defined as the
shortest path between two points in curved space-time. If there does
exist a shortest path between two planets, then voila. When things get
very twisted at the subatomic level, there may even be multiple
distinct straight lines between point pairs. But I was not referring
to that scenario.
> His "perfectly linear alignment" may still be curved.
Gay Relativity would still call it straight.
wiki trix
Feb 28, 2012, 6:13:22 PM2/28/12
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wiki trix
Feb 28, 2012, 6:16:25 PM2/28/12
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On Feb 28, 10:24 am, Josh <J...@none.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:47:03 +0000 (UTC), "David Canzi"
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> <dmca...@uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:47:03 +0000 (UTC), "David Canzi"
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wiki trix
Feb 28, 2012, 6:23:47 PM2/28/12
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On Feb 28, 12:23 pm, Mitchell Coffey <mitchell.cof...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Cool... bumping it up a notch... But how about an E8 (weighing in at
248 dimensions). That would be cool. I would expect you would need to
be a rider on the storm on a horse with no name to see that on the
inside.
wrote:
248 dimensions). That would be cool. I would expect you would need to
be a rider on the storm on a horse with no name to see that on the
inside.
*Hemidactylus*
Feb 28, 2012, 10:58:39 PM2/28/12
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In the category of "Accidental Testudines Mishaps"
*Hemidactylus*
Feb 28, 2012, 11:05:23 PM2/28/12
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Walter Bushell
Feb 29, 2012, 10:21:20 AM2/29/12
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In article
<2344e768-dbaf-4513...@n12g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
> > of me in the middle of the darknessŠ and it was virtually a
under the banks of creeks and rivers etcetera. The next sentence that if
you wanted to hear about it, you could go to one of those old style gas
stations in the South which serve as hangouts for the local men, and ask
for Lefty.
<2344e768-dbaf-4513...@n12g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
Mitchell Coffey <mitchel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 27, 10:58 pm, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am surely, as you all must know by now, a very educated, rational,
> > erudite, level-headed, and scientifically minded individual with
> > parsimonious tendencies. So what happened to me last Friday, while
> > listening to KFOG, driving after dark in my white VW Cabriolet
> > convertible , was just a bit startling, to say the least. Driving over
> > the bridge heading up to Sausalito for a cup of coffee at a friendąs
> On Feb 27, 10:58 pm, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am surely, as you all must know by now, a very educated, rational,
> > erudite, level-headed, and scientifically minded individual with
> > parsimonious tendencies. So what happened to me last Friday, while
> > listening to KFOG, driving after dark in my white VW Cabriolet
> > convertible , was just a bit startling, to say the least. Driving over
> > house, I looked straight up, with the California oceanic wind blowing
> > through my thinning thrashing white hair, with my pet snapping turtle
> > on my lapŠ and what did I see? Why it was two stellar objects in the
> > through my thinning thrashing white hair, with my pet snapping turtle
> > night sky that were aligned in a perfectly linear alignment. It took
> > me by such surprise, so much so that that I almost caused an accident
> > with myself by me not remaining in alignment with my own lane which I
> > was needing to stay un-straying from within. But to see that the
> > linearityness manifested itself so perfectly, forming a line
> > straighter than any man-made straight edgeŠ well, it just to jump out
> > me by such surprise, so much so that that I almost caused an accident
> > with myself by me not remaining in alignment with my own lane which I
> > was needing to stay un-straying from within. But to see that the
> > linearityness manifested itself so perfectly, forming a line
> > of me in the middle of the darknessŠ and it was virtually a
> > spiritually emergent experience, suffocating in the depths of truth
> > and beauty. After pondering that night and the ensuing epiphany that
> > gradually revealed itself over the last two days for me, I now can
> > only askŠ why are there still humans?
> > and beauty. After pondering that night and the ensuing epiphany that
> > gradually revealed itself over the last two days for me, I now can
>
> There are still humans because most men do not make a practice of
> keeping upon their laps snapping turtles, which so located maintain
> the capacity of denying men all progeny.
>
> Mitchell Coffey
I heard about the practice of fishing for snapping turtles by reaching
> There are still humans because most men do not make a practice of
> keeping upon their laps snapping turtles, which so located maintain
> the capacity of denying men all progeny.
>
> Mitchell Coffey
under the banks of creeks and rivers etcetera. The next sentence that if
you wanted to hear about it, you could go to one of those old style gas
stations in the South which serve as hangouts for the local men, and ask
for Lefty.
Mitchell Coffey
Feb 29, 2012, 10:28:13 AM2/29/12
to
Mitchell
Bob Casanova
Feb 29, 2012, 1:24:32 PM2/29/12
to
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 10:24:37 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Josh <Jo...@none.com>:
Leave it alone. It's actually working undercover; at the
appropriate time it will twist its head and...SNAP!...take
his mind off anything he may be planning regarding
supersession. Not to mention removing the means.
in talk.origins, posted by Josh <Jo...@none.com>:
appropriate time it will twist its head and...SNAP!...take
his mind off anything he may be planning regarding
supersession. Not to mention removing the means.
Josh
Feb 29, 2012, 1:38:37 PM2/29/12
to
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:24:32 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
Take THAT, Wiki Trix! That'll teach you not to get all uppity and try
to advance to the next evolutionary level!
to advance to the next evolutionary level!
Josh
Feb 29, 2012, 2:10:55 PM2/29/12
to
>Mitchell
Mitchell Coffey
Feb 29, 2012, 2:43:10 PM2/29/12
to
Mitchell
Mike L
Feb 29, 2012, 2:55:05 PM2/29/12
to
we in the cheap seats think you're ace. Keep 'em coming.
--
Mike.
Josh
Feb 29, 2012, 2:58:02 PM2/29/12
to
existence of hippy chicks.
>Mitchell
Mitchell Coffey
Feb 29, 2012, 4:11:20 PM2/29/12
to
counter-culture is greatly underestimated.
Mitchell Coffey
Josh
Feb 29, 2012, 4:18:28 PM2/29/12
to
that apparently were plastered everywhere.
>Mitchell Coffey
Paul J Gans
Feb 29, 2012, 4:34:55 PM2/29/12
to
no other reason than curiosity.
--
--- Paul J. Gans
Josh
Feb 29, 2012, 4:50:08 PM2/29/12
to
Mitchell Coffey
Feb 29, 2012, 5:06:29 PM2/29/12
to
Mitchell
Mike L
Feb 29, 2012, 6:08:24 PM2/29/12
to
On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:58:02 -0800, Josh <Jo...@none.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:43:10 -0800 (PST), Mitchell Coffey
><mitchel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Feb 29, 2:10 pm, Josh <J...@none.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 07:28:13 -0800 (PST), Mitchell Coffey
>>> <mitchell.cof...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:23:47 PM UTC-5, wiki trix wrote:
[...]
>On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:43:10 -0800 (PST), Mitchell Coffey
><mitchel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Feb 29, 2:10 pm, Josh <J...@none.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 29 Feb 2012 07:28:13 -0800 (PST), Mitchell Coffey
>>> <mitchell.cof...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:23:47 PM UTC-5, wiki trix wrote:
>>> >> Cool... bumping it up a notch... But how about an E8 (weighing in at
>>> >> 248 dimensions). That would be cool. I would expect you would need to
>>> >> be a rider on the storm on a horse with no name to see that on the
>>> >> inside.
>>>
>>> >You lie! That just sounds like any typical night at Filmore West.
>>>
>>> Dude! You guys knew how to party back then!
>>
>>And in those days all STDs were curable.
>
>But you had the pill, right? Those two things probably explain the
>existence of hippy chicks.
>
It really annoyed the Bible-belters, which explained the existence of
>>> >> 248 dimensions). That would be cool. I would expect you would need to
>>> >> be a rider on the storm on a horse with no name to see that on the
>>> >> inside.
>>>
>>> >You lie! That just sounds like any typical night at Filmore West.
>>>
>>> Dude! You guys knew how to party back then!
>>
>>And in those days all STDs were curable.
>
>But you had the pill, right? Those two things probably explain the
>existence of hippy chicks.
>
chippy hicks.
--
Mike.
wiki trix
Mar 2, 2012, 7:29:59 AM3/2/12
to
wiki trix
Mar 2, 2012, 7:18:22 AM3/2/12
to
"Ah, yes, Penicillin and the Pill. The importance of drug use to the
counter-culture is greatly underestimated. -Mitchell Coffey
" ... that is perfect... I am thinking of using that as my first and only tagline sig.
gregwrld
Mar 2, 2012, 11:58:37 AM3/2/12
to
gregwrld
AGWFacts
Mar 3, 2012, 2:08:08 PM3/3/12
to
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:58:39 -0500, *Hemidactylus*
<ecph...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In the category of "Accidental Testudines Mishaps"
> > I looked straight up, with the California oceanic wind blowing
> > through my thinning thrashing white hair, with my pet snapping turtle
> > on my lap... and what did I see?
<ecph...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In the category of "Accidental Testudines Mishaps"
> > I looked straight up, with the California oceanic wind blowing
> > through my thinning thrashing white hair, with my pet snapping turtle
Ouch.
--
"I said that I believe in GOOD SCIENCE, not scientific THEORIES made
up by the antichrist. In order for one creature to EVOLVE into another,
the DNA has to change. How do you explain that?" -- dusty...@aol.com
James Beck
Mar 11, 2012, 9:12:12 PM3/11/12
to
On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:06:26 -0500, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com>
wrote:
>In article
><b9f14f22-7953-4b33...@i6g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
> "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.org"
> <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>> > of me in the middle of the darknessŠ and it was virtually a
>>
>> Airbags.
>
>We survived as a species just fine without seat belts even and even with
>three lane highways. (One lane in either direction and a suicide lane in
>the middle. They were cheaper than 4 lane or especially divided high
>ways and kept the cost of Social Security down and also provided for
>spare parts for organ transplants. I wonder why we widened them.)
Contented city dwellers often wonder that. Superficially, there are
too many people and too much traffic. In a motorized city, roads make
up about 30% of the surface area.
Von Thünen's (1826) land rent theory, with its concentric rings of
economic activity reflecting the users' bidding power, the cost
(friction) of distance, and market competition among users, still
describes the spatial-economic architecture of the city very well.
Modern students are more likely to have studied Alonso (1964), Muth
(1969), and/or Mills (1972), as the 'classic' land use models, but
since they all do much the same thing, they're similarly descriptive.
Recently, someone described the land use decision as an optimization
problem. To some extent it is, but only in a very restricted sense.
The classic model implies a smooth, monotonic rent gradient that
declines with distance from the central business district. At
equilibrium all households attain the same level of utility, so what
people are really jockeying for is not optimal happiness, but the same
amount of happiness as everyone else. [In case you're wondering, the
same smooth gradient still applies when those further out are using
more land and when cities are polycentric rather than monocentric.] In
the classic model, urbanization ends when the rent gradient minus the
cost of construction reaches zero.
It's easist to start with the monocentric, circular city; people find
it intuitive. In the case of your question, road surface expands by
approximately the city radius squared. Currently, the US has about 4
million linear miles of roads covering a surface area of more than
30,000 square miles. Cities face opposing forces of agglomeration and
spread. In the US, the combination of abundant cheap land, tax
incentives, and the flow of price subsidies from the city centers all
favor sprawl.
Unfortunately, as the city expands the marginal population density
tends to fall. In other words, the affluent commonly try to live
further apart, i.e., the population density is approximately negative
exponential. Most of the affluent who want to live in
low-population-density neighborhoods also want to commute by car, so a
heavily disproportionate amount of the existing road surface benefits
a relatively small fraction of the population. Nevertheless, if
everyone faced the same road conditions, they could all still be
equally happy.
That's the non-political version, but as always, reality is different.
Aside from the static nature of the classic models (and the obviously
empirical fact that cities aren't round), they ignore externalities.
Affluent interest groups like to have their cake and eat it, too. In
this case, that means cheating the average-happiness rule by voting
themselves positive externalities. That is, they get to both consume
extra land at lower marginal cost, and drive on nice, wide roads with
less traffic.
Meanwhile, one of our political parties (predominantly) tells them
that they shouldn't have to pay either for the benefits they receive
from that, or for the negative externalities they impose on others in
the form of pollution, loss of recreational space, etc. The people who
vote to enhance their enjoyment of land use at the expense of others
aren't all Republicans, of course. Democrats who live in low-
population-density areas vote for people who tell them pretty much the
same thing. In affluent political districts, it can be very difficult
to tell the major parties apart because their interests are so
similar. For example, the Democrat who represents my old Congressional
district in Colorado is the son of a major real estate developer. Roy
Romer, Democrat and three-term governor of Colorado, was also a real
estate developer.
Regardless, together, the relatively affluent form a majority
coalition that effectively blocks most political action(s) targeted at
charging them for the direct and indirect benefits they receive. As
group norms go, coalition-based rent seeking is one of the more
pernicious aspects of, for lack of a better term 'socialism.'
Similarly, the affluent suburbanites vote to extend the municipal
service infrastructure to accommodate their land use. The cost of
providing municipal services rises faster than the increase in linear
distance from the source. Naturally, the affluent, suburban-dwelling,
power company president, or water magnate also votes to pay the same
amount for water and electricity as someone who lives close to the
pumping station (aka 'postage stamp pricing'). This amounts to a
subsidy paid by those close in, who over pay for utilities, to those
farther out, which in turn raises suburban property values. So the
rich get richer, pay subsidized prices for their services, and drive
on nice, wide roads. Good deal, if you can get it.
On the downside, successful rent seeking behavior both encourages
sprawl and inevitably leads to urban decay, not to mention things like
pressure on social security. The cost of those outward flowing
subsidies has to be made up somehow. The obvious, though not
necessarily best, alternative to taxing the beneficiaries of the
subsidies is to cut benefits elsewhere, and those cuts fall heavily on
people who are *already* subsidizing the suburbs. It's worse than a
vicious circle. Unchecked, it's more like a slow death spiral. Sadly,
interrupting the circle usually comes in the form of offsetting
subsidies, much of which winds up flowing toward the suburbs, further
inflates property values, and encourages more sprawl.
Repeating successful strategies has survival value, at least in the
short run. Consequently while in economic terms a house is a
durable-but-depreciating consumer good, homebuyers and real estate
sales people view it as an investment. Given the nature of the system,
that is often true, and it's much more likely in some neighborhoods
than in others.
As with other forms of market failure (education, health care,
investment, R&D, pollution, and other externalities, etc.), there is
absolutely no reason to expect the market to solve the problem of
urban sprawl. The current situation is an excellent example of a
situation where the market makes things worse; only a diehard free
market capitalist would expect the market to produce an optimal
result. Not that there's a shortage of them.
On the other hand, competing political solutions have been
breathtakingly bad, too. Negative measures, like trying to zone out
sprawl, or establish green belts make sprawl worse as builders play
leap frog to move beyond them to previously marginal land that is
suddenly both more valuable now and likely to appreciate rapidly under
subsidy. Worse, political institutions at the urban margin tend to be
weaker and more naive, so development tends to be largely unplanned.
Anyway, taken together theory and experience tell you to do three
things to neutralize urban sprawl and stabilize the cost of road
maintenance:
1) Ban the use of eminent domain to widen roads
2) Ban the use of level pricing of city services. To the greatest
extent possible, prices should reflect delivery costs
Each of these should be possible under federal law for any states that
receive federal funding for roads. If you want to reverse course, that
will be more difficult. Closing lanes and/or whole roads, as well as,
carbon, usage taxes or (tolls) spring to mind. Even getting to
neutrality will be difficult. The suburbs like their subsidies and the
interests there are entrenched.
wrote:
>In article
><b9f14f22-7953-4b33...@i6g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
> "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.org"
> <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 28, 3:58 am, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I am surely, as you all must know by now, a very educated, rational,
>> > erudite, level-headed, and scientifically minded individual with
>> > parsimonious tendencies. So what happened to me last Friday, while
>> > listening to KFOG, driving after dark in my white VW Cabriolet
>> > convertible , was just a bit startling, to say the least. Driving over
>> > the bridge heading up to Sausalito for a cup of coffee at a friend¹s
>> > house, I looked straight up, with the California oceanic wind blowing
>> On Feb 28, 3:58 am, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I am surely, as you all must know by now, a very educated, rational,
>> > erudite, level-headed, and scientifically minded individual with
>> > parsimonious tendencies. So what happened to me last Friday, while
>> > listening to KFOG, driving after dark in my white VW Cabriolet
>> > convertible , was just a bit startling, to say the least. Driving over
>> > the bridge heading up to Sausalito for a cup of coffee at a friend¹s
>> > through my thinning thrashing white hair, with my pet snapping turtle
>> > on my lapŠ and what did I see? Why it was two stellar objects in the
>> > night sky that were aligned in a perfectly linear alignment. It took
>> > me by such surprise, so much so that that I almost caused an accident
>> > with myself by me not remaining in alignment with my own lane which I
>> > was needing to stay un-straying from within. But to see that the
>> > linearityness manifested itself so perfectly, forming a line
>> > straighter than any man-made straight edgeŠ well, it just to jump out
>> > me by such surprise, so much so that that I almost caused an accident
>> > with myself by me not remaining in alignment with my own lane which I
>> > was needing to stay un-straying from within. But to see that the
>> > linearityness manifested itself so perfectly, forming a line
>> > of me in the middle of the darknessŠ and it was virtually a
>> > spiritually emergent experience, suffocating in the depths of truth
>> > and beauty. After pondering that night and the ensuing epiphany that
>> > gradually revealed itself over the last two days for me, I now can
>> > only askŠ why are there still humans?
>> > and beauty. After pondering that night and the ensuing epiphany that
>> > gradually revealed itself over the last two days for me, I now can
>>
>> Airbags.
>
>We survived as a species just fine without seat belts even and even with
>three lane highways. (One lane in either direction and a suicide lane in
>the middle. They were cheaper than 4 lane or especially divided high
>ways and kept the cost of Social Security down and also provided for
>spare parts for organ transplants. I wonder why we widened them.)
Contented city dwellers often wonder that. Superficially, there are
too many people and too much traffic. In a motorized city, roads make
up about 30% of the surface area.
Von Thünen's (1826) land rent theory, with its concentric rings of
economic activity reflecting the users' bidding power, the cost
(friction) of distance, and market competition among users, still
describes the spatial-economic architecture of the city very well.
Modern students are more likely to have studied Alonso (1964), Muth
(1969), and/or Mills (1972), as the 'classic' land use models, but
since they all do much the same thing, they're similarly descriptive.
Recently, someone described the land use decision as an optimization
problem. To some extent it is, but only in a very restricted sense.
The classic model implies a smooth, monotonic rent gradient that
declines with distance from the central business district. At
equilibrium all households attain the same level of utility, so what
people are really jockeying for is not optimal happiness, but the same
amount of happiness as everyone else. [In case you're wondering, the
same smooth gradient still applies when those further out are using
more land and when cities are polycentric rather than monocentric.] In
the classic model, urbanization ends when the rent gradient minus the
cost of construction reaches zero.
It's easist to start with the monocentric, circular city; people find
it intuitive. In the case of your question, road surface expands by
approximately the city radius squared. Currently, the US has about 4
million linear miles of roads covering a surface area of more than
30,000 square miles. Cities face opposing forces of agglomeration and
spread. In the US, the combination of abundant cheap land, tax
incentives, and the flow of price subsidies from the city centers all
favor sprawl.
Unfortunately, as the city expands the marginal population density
tends to fall. In other words, the affluent commonly try to live
further apart, i.e., the population density is approximately negative
exponential. Most of the affluent who want to live in
low-population-density neighborhoods also want to commute by car, so a
heavily disproportionate amount of the existing road surface benefits
a relatively small fraction of the population. Nevertheless, if
everyone faced the same road conditions, they could all still be
equally happy.
That's the non-political version, but as always, reality is different.
Aside from the static nature of the classic models (and the obviously
empirical fact that cities aren't round), they ignore externalities.
Affluent interest groups like to have their cake and eat it, too. In
this case, that means cheating the average-happiness rule by voting
themselves positive externalities. That is, they get to both consume
extra land at lower marginal cost, and drive on nice, wide roads with
less traffic.
Meanwhile, one of our political parties (predominantly) tells them
that they shouldn't have to pay either for the benefits they receive
from that, or for the negative externalities they impose on others in
the form of pollution, loss of recreational space, etc. The people who
vote to enhance their enjoyment of land use at the expense of others
aren't all Republicans, of course. Democrats who live in low-
population-density areas vote for people who tell them pretty much the
same thing. In affluent political districts, it can be very difficult
to tell the major parties apart because their interests are so
similar. For example, the Democrat who represents my old Congressional
district in Colorado is the son of a major real estate developer. Roy
Romer, Democrat and three-term governor of Colorado, was also a real
estate developer.
Regardless, together, the relatively affluent form a majority
coalition that effectively blocks most political action(s) targeted at
charging them for the direct and indirect benefits they receive. As
group norms go, coalition-based rent seeking is one of the more
pernicious aspects of, for lack of a better term 'socialism.'
Similarly, the affluent suburbanites vote to extend the municipal
service infrastructure to accommodate their land use. The cost of
providing municipal services rises faster than the increase in linear
distance from the source. Naturally, the affluent, suburban-dwelling,
power company president, or water magnate also votes to pay the same
amount for water and electricity as someone who lives close to the
pumping station (aka 'postage stamp pricing'). This amounts to a
subsidy paid by those close in, who over pay for utilities, to those
farther out, which in turn raises suburban property values. So the
rich get richer, pay subsidized prices for their services, and drive
on nice, wide roads. Good deal, if you can get it.
On the downside, successful rent seeking behavior both encourages
sprawl and inevitably leads to urban decay, not to mention things like
pressure on social security. The cost of those outward flowing
subsidies has to be made up somehow. The obvious, though not
necessarily best, alternative to taxing the beneficiaries of the
subsidies is to cut benefits elsewhere, and those cuts fall heavily on
people who are *already* subsidizing the suburbs. It's worse than a
vicious circle. Unchecked, it's more like a slow death spiral. Sadly,
interrupting the circle usually comes in the form of offsetting
subsidies, much of which winds up flowing toward the suburbs, further
inflates property values, and encourages more sprawl.
Repeating successful strategies has survival value, at least in the
short run. Consequently while in economic terms a house is a
durable-but-depreciating consumer good, homebuyers and real estate
sales people view it as an investment. Given the nature of the system,
that is often true, and it's much more likely in some neighborhoods
than in others.
As with other forms of market failure (education, health care,
investment, R&D, pollution, and other externalities, etc.), there is
absolutely no reason to expect the market to solve the problem of
urban sprawl. The current situation is an excellent example of a
situation where the market makes things worse; only a diehard free
market capitalist would expect the market to produce an optimal
result. Not that there's a shortage of them.
On the other hand, competing political solutions have been
breathtakingly bad, too. Negative measures, like trying to zone out
sprawl, or establish green belts make sprawl worse as builders play
leap frog to move beyond them to previously marginal land that is
suddenly both more valuable now and likely to appreciate rapidly under
subsidy. Worse, political institutions at the urban margin tend to be
weaker and more naive, so development tends to be largely unplanned.
Anyway, taken together theory and experience tell you to do three
things to neutralize urban sprawl and stabilize the cost of road
maintenance:
1) Ban the use of eminent domain to widen roads
2) Ban the use of level pricing of city services. To the greatest
extent possible, prices should reflect delivery costs
Each of these should be possible under federal law for any states that
receive federal funding for roads. If you want to reverse course, that
will be more difficult. Closing lanes and/or whole roads, as well as,
carbon, usage taxes or (tolls) spring to mind. Even getting to
neutrality will be difficult. The suburbs like their subsidies and the
interests there are entrenched.
*Hemidactylus*
Mar 11, 2012, 9:37:16 PM3/11/12
to
non-existent, but your pet turtle is well fed and happy. Covey says
win-win with some agony.
--
*Hemidactylus*
-Victory? Victory you say? Master Obi-Wan, not victory. The shroud of
the dark side has fallen. Begun the Privacy War has.
John S. Wilkins
Mar 11, 2012, 9:50:08 PM3/11/12
to
James Beck <jdbec...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:06:26 -0500, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article
> ><b9f14f22-7953-4b33...@i6g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.org"
> > <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Feb 28, 3:58 am, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I am surely, as you all must know by now, a very educated, rational,
> >> > erudite, level-headed, and scientifically minded individual with
> >> > parsimonious tendencies. So what happened to me last Friday, while
> >> > listening to KFOG, driving after dark in my white VW Cabriolet
> >> > convertible , was just a bit startling, to say the least. Driving over
> >> > the bridge heading up to Sausalito for a cup of coffee at a friend's
> >> > house, I looked straight up, with the California oceanic wind blowing
> >> > through my thinning thrashing white hair, with my pet snapping turtle
> >> > on my lap… and what did I see? Why it was two stellar objects in the
> On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:06:26 -0500, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article
> ><b9f14f22-7953-4b33...@i6g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-o...@moderators.isc.org"
> > <rja.ca...@excite.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Feb 28, 3:58 am, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I am surely, as you all must know by now, a very educated, rational,
> >> > erudite, level-headed, and scientifically minded individual with
> >> > parsimonious tendencies. So what happened to me last Friday, while
> >> > listening to KFOG, driving after dark in my white VW Cabriolet
> >> > convertible , was just a bit startling, to say the least. Driving over
> >> > the bridge heading up to Sausalito for a cup of coffee at a friend's
> >> > house, I looked straight up, with the California oceanic wind blowing
> >> > through my thinning thrashing white hair, with my pet snapping turtle
> >> > night sky that were aligned in a perfectly linear alignment. It took
> >> > me by such surprise, so much so that that I almost caused an accident
> >> > with myself by me not remaining in alignment with my own lane which I
> >> > was needing to stay un-straying from within. But to see that the
> >> > linearityness manifested itself so perfectly, forming a line
> >> > straighter than any man-made straight edge… well, it just to jump out
> >> > me by such surprise, so much so that that I almost caused an accident
> >> > with myself by me not remaining in alignment with my own lane which I
> >> > was needing to stay un-straying from within. But to see that the
> >> > linearityness manifested itself so perfectly, forming a line
> >> > of me in the middle of the darkness… and it was virtually a
> >> > spiritually emergent experience, suffocating in the depths of truth
> >> > and beauty. After pondering that night and the ensuing epiphany that
> >> > gradually revealed itself over the last two days for me, I now can
> >> > only ask… why are there still humans?
> >> > and beauty. After pondering that night and the ensuing epiphany that
> >> > gradually revealed itself over the last two days for me, I now can
--
John S. Wilkins, Associate, Philosophy, University of Sydney
http://evolvingthoughts.net
But al be that he was a philosophre,
Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre
James Beck
Mar 12, 2012, 9:28:06 AM3/12/12
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On Mar 11, 9:50 pm, j...@wilkins.id.au (John S. Wilkins) wrote:
> > > "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-orig...@moderators.isc.org"
> If this were on-topic it would be a clear POTM
Thanks, but I'm more likely to get ch'watted either for implying again
that there's no such thing as socialism, or for saying that there are
three things you need to do to neutralize urban sprawl and only giving
two. I left off the third, planning, because the body of the post
implies that most 'planning' has made things worse. Sorting out why
that's true and what to do about it would bring this on-topic, but
just saying that you need to do it opens a can of worms and invites a
firestorm.
> James Beck <jdbeck11...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:06:26 -0500, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >In article
> > ><b9f14f22-7953-4b33-949d-9ac766808...@i6g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
> > On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 08:06:26 -0500, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >In article
> > > "Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-orig...@moderators.isc.org"
> > > <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
>
> > >> On Feb 28, 3:58 am, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
[snip]
>
> > >> On Feb 28, 3:58 am, wiki trix <wikit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If this were on-topic it would be a clear POTM
that there's no such thing as socialism, or for saying that there are
three things you need to do to neutralize urban sprawl and only giving
two. I left off the third, planning, because the body of the post
implies that most 'planning' has made things worse. Sorting out why
that's true and what to do about it would bring this on-topic, but
just saying that you need to do it opens a can of worms and invites a
firestorm.
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