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Metspitzer

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Feb 10, 2012, 7:45:53 PM2/10/12
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5h7LbH4byUlqSuWIjHofWSIkFQagQ?docId=N0452241328879816245A

It says they are going to stream it Feb 23 but no link.
Anyone know how to find the stream?

Karel

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Feb 11, 2012, 11:51:51 AM2/11/12
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On 11 feb, 01:45, Metspitzer <kilow...@charter.net> wrote:
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5h7LbH4byUlqSuW...
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> It says they are going to stream it Feb 23 but no link.
> Anyone know how to find the stream?

http://www.originsofnature.com/

Regards,

Karel

AGWFacts

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Feb 11, 2012, 12:13:57 PM2/11/12
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:45:53 -0500, Metspitzer
<kilo...@charter.net> wrote:

> Archbishop takes on atheist Dawkins

And in other news Don Knotts takes on Lennox Lewis

> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5h7LbH4byUlqSuWIjHofWSIkFQagQ?docId=N0452241328879816245A
>
> It says they are going to stream it Feb 23 but no link.
> Anyone know how to find the stream?


--
"I am not ignorant simply because I choose to believe one
theory over another." -- Madison Murphy

Harry K

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Feb 11, 2012, 1:22:49 PM2/11/12
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On Feb 11, 9:13 am, AGWFacts <AGWFa...@ipcc.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:45:53 -0500, Metspitzer
>
> <kilow...@charter.net> wrote:
> > Archbishop takes on atheist Dawkins
>
> And in other news Don Knotts takes on Lennox Lewis
>
> >http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5h7LbH4byUlqSuW...
>
> > It says they are going to stream it Feb 23 but no link.
> > Anyone know how to find the stream?
>
> --
> "I am not ignorant simply because I choose to believe one
> theory over another." -- Madison Murphy

Sure wish I had a fast internet connection. I'd be listening. I hope
there is a link to a transcript.

Harry K

Metspitzer

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Feb 11, 2012, 2:11:11 PM2/11/12
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Thanks

Mike Lyle

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Feb 11, 2012, 4:19:00 PM2/11/12
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On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 10:13:57 -0700, AGWFacts <AGWF...@ipcc.org>
wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:45:53 -0500, Metspitzer
><kilo...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Archbishop takes on atheist Dawkins
>
>And in other news Don Knotts takes on Lennox Lewis

Brain cell for brain cell it's an even match, with Archbish Rowan the
more flexible. There may even be moments when they talk the same
language.

>
>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5h7LbH4byUlqSuWIjHofWSIkFQagQ?docId=N0452241328879816245A
>>
>> It says they are going to stream it Feb 23 but no link.
>> Anyone know how to find the stream?

--
Mike.

Ray Martinez

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Feb 11, 2012, 5:23:57 PM2/11/12
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On Feb 10, 4:45 pm, Metspitzer <kilow...@charter.net> wrote:
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5h7LbH4byUlqSuW...
>
> It says they are going to stream it Feb 23 but no link.
> Anyone know how to find the stream?

Since the Archbishop bows to Darwin, why is a debate taking place? The
Archbishop holds the exact position that Darwinism encourages
Christians to have, namely that God created the evolutionary process.
Dawkins, while talking with Bill O' Reilly on his show, saw no problem
with the position.

Ray

Metspitzer

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Feb 11, 2012, 6:17:59 PM2/11/12
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Here is a short interview the two a few years back. I don't think he
answered Dawkins last question satisfactorily.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DcySbAt-l4

BTW on a light side note, I think the Archbishop looks exactly like
what my image of a D&D mage looked like before it was adopted to
computers.

Dana Tweedy

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Feb 12, 2012, 12:01:56 AM2/12/12
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On 2/11/12 3:23 PM, Ray Martinez wrote:
> On Feb 10, 4:45 pm, Metspitzer<kilow...@charter.net> wrote:
>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5h7LbH4byUlqSuW...
>>
>> It says they are going to stream it Feb 23 but no link.
>> Anyone know how to find the stream?
>
> Since the Archbishop bows to Darwin, why is a debate taking place?

Accepting a scientific theory is not 'bowing to Darwin'. Darwin
doesn't control science.

> The
> Archbishop holds the exact position that Darwinism encourages
> Christians to have, namely that God created the evolutionary process.

"Darwinism" doesn't encourage anyone to have any particular religious
position. Evolution is an explanation of the evidence, in a scientific
manner.

If one believes in God, and accepts the findings of science, the idea
that God created, and creates, via evolutionary mechanisms is the only
rational position to hold.



> Dawkins, while talking with Bill O' Reilly on his show, saw no problem
> with the position.

As a religious belief, that is. Theistic evolution is a religious
belief, not a scientific position.

DJT

Arkalen

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Feb 12, 2012, 3:14:31 AM2/12/12
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You're conflating accepting evolution with being an atheist. Dawkins is
both, but in this case I'll guess they're debating Christianity/atheism,
not evolution.

>
> Ray
>


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Arkalen
Praise be to magic Woody-Allen zombie superhero telepathic vampire
quantum hovercraft Tim! Jesus.

Metspitzer

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Feb 27, 2012, 10:10:26 PM2/27/12
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:45:53 -0500, Metspitzer <kilo...@charter.net>
wrote:

>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5h7LbH4byUlqSuWIjHofWSIkFQagQ?docId=N0452241328879816245A
>
>It says they are going to stream it Feb 23 but no link.
>Anyone know how to find the stream?

Here is the debate for anyone that missed it.
http://www.youtube.com/v/HfQk4NfW7g0?version=3&hl=en_US

nando_r...@yahoo.com

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Feb 28, 2012, 5:08:51 AM2/28/12
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On 12 feb, 06:01, Dana Tweedy <reddfrog...@gmail.com> wrote:

>   If one believes in God, and accepts the findings of science, the idea
> that God created, and creates, via evolutionary mechanisms is the only
> rational position to hold.

It's not rational. If you believe in God, then you must accept the
fact that free will is real, and that the universe with everything in
it, is created in freedom by God.

Robert Carnegie: Fnord: cc talk-origins@moderators.isc.org

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Feb 28, 2012, 6:22:07 AM2/28/12
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On Feb 11, 11:17 pm, Metspitzer <kilow...@charter.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 14:23:57 -0800 (PST), Ray Martinez
>
> <pyramid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 10, 4:45 pm, Metspitzer <kilow...@charter.net> wrote:
> >>http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5h7LbH4byUlqSuW...
>
> >> It says they are going to stream it Feb 23 but no link.
> >> Anyone know how to find the stream?
>
> >Since the Archbishop bows to Darwin, why is a debate taking place? The
> >Archbishop holds the exact position that Darwinism encourages
> >Christians to have, namely that God created the evolutionary process.
> >Dawkins, while talking with Bill O' Reilly on his show, saw no problem
> >with the position.
>
> >Ray
>
> Here is a short interview the two a few years back.  I don't think he
> answered Dawkins last question satisfactorily.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DcySbAt-l4
>
> BTW on a light side note, I think the Archbishop looks exactly like
> what my image of a D&D mage looked like before it was adopted to
> computers.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tsr_logo_wizard.png> ?!

Yeah, okay.
<http://www.thelandofunlikeness.com/2007/12/29/abp-williams-christmas-
day-sermon/rowan-williams/>

J. J. Lodder

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Feb 28, 2012, 7:18:53 AM2/28/12
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The existence of Calvinism, with its belief in predestination,
falsifies your clAim.

Unless you are going to the absurdity
of claiming that Calvin didn't believe in god,

Jan

Walter Bushell

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Feb 28, 2012, 8:40:08 AM2/28/12
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In article <1kg6e6n.1l3...@de-ster.xs4all.nl>,
Calvin did not believe in the right god?

--
This space unintentionally left blank.

J. J. Lodder

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Feb 28, 2012, 3:00:13 PM2/28/12
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Doesn't matter. Whatever god Calvin believed in,
he falsifies Nando's silly assertion,

Jan

John S. Wilkins

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Feb 29, 2012, 4:27:21 PM2/29/12
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Straight modus tollens, yes. But it's not just Calvinism, as Luther also
thought the will was in "bondage" as he famously put it.

Some versions of Hinduism are predestinarian:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination#Hinduism

Much of Islam rests on predestination. Some Jewish thinkers also hold
it. I am unaware of Buddhist views.

--
John S. Wilkins, Associate, Philosophy, University of Sydney
http://evolvingthoughts.net
But al be that he was a philosophre,
Yet hadde he but litel gold in cofre

Ernest Major

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Mar 3, 2012, 9:49:32 AM3/3/12
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In message <1kg9qng.xzz03zsvi17iN%jo...@wilkins.id.au>, John S. Wilkins
<jo...@wilkins.id.au> writes
As I said before, if he's worried about free will (or non-determinism)
he should be directing his ire at priests, philosophers and physicists
(some members of those groups anyway), and not evolutionary biologists -
biology is sufficiently remote from the ontological foundations that
biologists can sidestep the questions.
--
alias Ernest Major

J. J. Lodder

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Mar 3, 2012, 11:01:47 AM3/3/12
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The theory of evolution is inherently a statistical theory.
No need to sidestep, the question can't enter,

Jan

John S. Wilkins

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Mar 3, 2012, 4:38:59 PM3/3/12
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J. J. Lodder <nos...@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:

> Ernest Major <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
...
> > As I said before, if he's worried about free will (or non-determinism)
> > he should be directing his ire at priests, philosophers and physicists
> > (some members of those groups anyway), and not evolutionary biologists -
> > biology is sufficiently remote from the ontological foundations that
> > biologists can sidestep the questions.
>
> The theory of evolution is inherently a statistical theory.
> No need to sidestep, the question can't enter,
>
If every event in a population is determined, the ensemble may still be
statistically distributed.

J. J. Lodder

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Mar 6, 2012, 3:48:51 AM3/6/12
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Ockham be praised.
One counter-example should do for the sane,
and for Nando an infinity won't help,

Jan

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