[OT] perhaps parting ways DIG(David Iain Greig) (because crossposting)

[Dale]

I seem to be having an IP problem with my newsreader

haven't I made it clear before alt.usenet.kooks that the cabal is
breakable and I broke it? Echelon is NOT pale.

I am having a group indexing problem with talk.origins

no other group

I am using current stable Debian Linux as my OS and IceDove as my
newsreader, Debian was the downloaded binary 386 ISO and IceDove was
installed from Synaptic on Debian, I have checked NO binaries against source

I have also had "various" other problems beside the indexing

I also had the "various" problems with Ubuntu Linux LTS updated from the
previous LTS, and Thunderbird newsreader with no binary checks

I suspect IP tunneling but have no proof

who wants to start from the beginning again?

propaganda and politics should prevail

from the looks at megalithic structures like the pyramids I get the idea
that a more advanced civilization existed here, like Atlantis perhaps,
and faced this decision before

please comply whoever is the source of this IRE or I will leave the group

--
Dale

[Ron O]

It sounds like the problem with the connection isn't with TO or your
computer hard and software. Based on the last bit of your post it is
more likely a wetware problem.

Ron Okimoto

[raven1]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 03:11:07 -0400, Dale <inv...@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>please comply whoever is the source of this IRE or I will leave the group

Promise?

[Paul J Gans]

Dale, first take your meds. Second, look up how moderated newsgroups
work. Third, most of the rest of us Linux users using the same
software you are have no problems at all.

Now take a deep breath and start with item one.

And oh yes, quit crossposting.

--
--- Paul J. Gans

[Bob Casanova]

On Fri, 10 May 2013 03:11:07 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by Dale <inv...@invalid.invalid>:

>I seem to be having an IP problem with my newsreader

That's not all you have problems with.

>haven't I made it clear before alt.usenet.kooks that the cabal is
>breakable and I broke it? Echelon is NOT pale.
>
>I am having a group indexing problem with talk.origins
>
>no other group
>
>I am using current stable Debian Linux as my OS and IceDove as my
>newsreader, Debian was the downloaded binary 386 ISO and IceDove was
>installed from Synaptic on Debian, I have checked NO binaries against source
>
>I have also had "various" other problems beside the indexing

Yes, you have. But they're unrelated to your computer's
software.

>I also had the "various" problems with Ubuntu Linux LTS updated from the
>previous LTS, and Thunderbird newsreader with no binary checks
>
>I suspect IP tunneling but have no proof
>
>who wants to start from the beginning again?
>
>propaganda and politics should prevail
>
>from the looks at megalithic structures like the pyramids I get the idea
>that a more advanced civilization existed here, like Atlantis perhaps,
>and faced this decision before
>
>please comply whoever is the source of this IRE or I will leave the group

Promises, promises...
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

[jonathan]

"Dale" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:6iervq....@news.alt.net...

>I seem to be having an IP problem with my newsreader
>
> haven't I made it clear before alt.usenet.kooks that the cabal is
> breakable and I broke it? Echelon is NOT pale.
>
> I am having a group indexing problem with talk.origins
>
> no other group

Crossposting to a moderated ng is prabably the cause.
When I've done that in the past usually my posts
wouldn't even show up.

[jillery]

On Sat, 11 May 2013 03:59:57 -0400, "jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com>
wrote:

That depends on the moderated newsgroup, and the newsgroups you
crossposted to.

[Ron O]

On May 11, 2:59�am, "jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Dale" <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

Somewhere you can read about the moderation. You can't crosspost to
more than 4 groups at the same time and there may be instances where
you can't crosspost to some groups, probably, because they don't want
posts from TO etc..

http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/0fd59941cef8d98c


Ron Okimoto

[chris thompson]

This being the legacy of a particularly vile poster (who no longer
posts to talk.origins, thank goodness). He would post crap to support
groups, specifically groups intended to support rape victims, and it
got to the point where the moderator stopped all cross-posting to
those groups.

Chris

[Bob Casanova]

On Sat, 11 May 2013 04:17:57 -0400, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jp...@gmail.com>:

....and how many; the limit is four, including t.o.

[jillery]

On Sat, 11 May 2013 10:09:08 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
wrote:

>On Sat, 11 May 2013 04:17:57 -0400, the following appeared
>in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jp...@gmail.com>:
>
>>On Sat, 11 May 2013 03:59:57 -0400, "jonathan" <wr...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Dale" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>>news:6iervq....@news.alt.net...
>>>>I seem to be having an IP problem with my newsreader
>>>>
>>>> haven't I made it clear before alt.usenet.kooks that the cabal is
>>>> breakable and I broke it? Echelon is NOT pale.
>>>>
>>>> I am having a group indexing problem with talk.origins
>>>>
>>>> no other group
>>>
>>>
>>>Crossposting to a moderated ng is prabably the cause.
>>>When I've done that in the past usually my posts
>>>wouldn't even show up.
>>
>>
>>That depends on the moderated newsgroup, and the newsgroups you
>>crossposted to.
>
>....and how many; the limit is four, including t.o.

That's an arbitrary limit for T.O. That can change at any time at the
moderator's discretion. Other moderated groups can have entirely
different limits.

[Bob Casanova]

On Sat, 11 May 2013 16:55:19 -0400, the following appeared

Point, but currently crossposting to five *will* get the
post cancelled if one of them is t.o.

[jillery]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 09:11:02 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>

To be precise, according to the current rules, it won't be posted in
T.O. If the other newsgroups are not moderated, it will appear there
regardless.

[Bob Casanova]

On Sun, 12 May 2013 18:40:52 -0400, the following appeared

I wasn't aware of that; I thought the post was actually
cancelled. My thanks for the correction.

[David Iain Greig]

Dale <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> I seem to be having an IP problem with my newsreader
>
> haven't I made it clear before alt.usenet.kooks that the cabal is
> breakable and I broke it? Echelon is NOT pale.

Well I can start by blocking you from crossposting if you don't
smarten the fuck up.

--D.

--
david iain greig gr...@ediacara.org
moderator, talk.origins sp4 kox
http://www.ediacara.org/~greig arbor plena alouattarum

[David Iain Greig]

Not actually correct.

Any post made to one or more moderated groups is *immediately*
emailed by news server programs to the moderator of the 'first'
moderated newsgroup. That moderator can then Approve: or not, and
is supposed, in theory, to pass any posts to other moderated
groups to the *next* moderator in line to Approve: it. The news server
receiving the article from the poster does NOT propagate the article
as it cannot pass articles to moderated newsgroups lacking an Approved:
header, it emails it to the moderation address.

If a post is crossposted to two or more moderated groups, it will
in general simply be dropped; this is convention among moderators
as 'approving' would be grossly impolite and generally passing it
along to the next moderator isn't really deemed worth the effort.

Any post to a moderated newsgroup that is not Approved: will simply
vanish. It will *not* appear in other unmoderated Newsgroups as it
is not posted to USENET for propagation, and even if it was, it
would not propagate as it lacks an Approved: header.

I neglect the ancient practive of forged Approved: headers.

Further, I have configured *my* news server to drop all posts to
t.o exceeding 4 newsgroups; even if I post an article to 5+ groups,
it will not propagate.

[jillery]

I stand corrected. I had assumed incorrectly that Usenet rules would
appear to the unmoderated groups on the list regardless of the
individual requirements of moderated groups. In the case of
crossposts to multiple moderated groups, apparently Usenet mails the
post only to the first moderated group in the cross post list.

Had I googled this before I posted to Bob, I might have found this:

<http://pages.swcp.com/~dmckeon/mod-faq.html>

"An attempt to cross-post a message to a moderated group and to other
newsgroups will go to the moderation address for the moderated group,
and will not show up in any of the other groups on the local server
unless and until the moderator approves it as a cross-post.

An attempt to cross-post a message to more than one moderated group
will go to the moderation address for one group, in most cases, the
moderated group that appears first on the Newsgroups: line, and will
be handled further as that moderator chooses."

So a crosspost list which includes a moderated group has the effect of
applying that group's rules to all the groups on the list for that
post.

I apologize to Bob Casanova specifically, and everybody else
generally, for my incorrect reply, and for any confusion that might
have resulted from it. Bob's original reply is correct. Thank you
DIG for taking the time to set the record straight.

This counts as the one new thing I learned today.

[Bob Casanova]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 10:50:44 -0400, the following appeared

Same here. No apology necessary (but cheerfully accepted),
and my thanks to both of you for taking the time to address
this.

[Bob Casanova]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:44:41 +0000 (UTC), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by David Iain Greig
<dgr...@ediacara.org>:

OK, and thanks for describing the process, and especially
for the info that the first step when a moderated group is
involved is via email, which I definitely did *not* know.

[jillery]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 10:14:27 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>
wrote:

>On Wed, 15 May 2013 10:50:44 -0400, the following appeared
>in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jp...@gmail.com>:

>>I stand corrected. I had assumed incorrectly that Usenet rules would

[let a post]

I've been on Usenet for over 20 years. I ought to have figured out
how how it works by now. This is a classic case of it ain't what I
didn't know, but what I knew for sure that ain't so.

[Paul J Gans]

DIG posts the process every five years or so. I've read it
before and never remember it.

But it does make sense. Given that we are here to collect
nuts, which makes us either howler monkeys or squirrels, the
rules keep some of their drivel from propagating over the
rest of usenet, or what is left of it.

[Glenn]

"jillery" <69jp...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:rl67p8pkppiu1f9aq...@4ax.com...

What is that? Not assuming too much?

[Glenn]

"Paul J Gans" <gan...@panix.com> wrote in message news:kn13eo$1h8$1...@reader1.panix.com...

That makes you a nut.

[Paul J Gans]

And your post makes you a person who spends time talking to
folks you consider nuts.

[Bob Casanova]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 16:22:20 -0400, the following appeared

I suspect it's more a case of "since it works, I don't
really need to know the details". Sort of like, for most
people, HVAC, satellite TV or the family car.

[jillery]

On Thu, 16 May 2013 10:30:24 -0700, Bob Casanova <nos...@buzz.off>

I'm not that kind of person.

[Glenn]

"Paul J Gans" <gan...@panix.com> wrote in message news:kn1ctn$5ga$3...@reader1.panix.com...

Good try, but just talking to or with a nut doesn't make me one. With some it may be a contributing factor, though.

[Bob Casanova]

On Thu, 16 May 2013 14:41:21 -0400, the following appeared

I try not to be, but it's impossible to know everything
about everything, even if the latter is restricted to those
things I use/do on a regular basis, and those in which I've
had some formal education. It *is*, however, possible to
learn more about them, as you and I have both just done.

[Desertphile]

On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:24:24 +0000 (UTC), David Iain Greig
<dgr...@ediacara.org> wrote:

> Dale <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > I seem to be having an IP problem with my newsreader
> >
> > haven't I made it clear before alt.usenet.kooks that the cabal is
> > breakable and I broke it? Echelon is NOT pale.
>
> Well I can start by blocking you from crossposting if you don't
> smarten the fuck up.
>
> --D.

You already banned him twice.


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