I just ran a bat out of my house
Terry
I had to chase it with a blanked until it got too tired to fly.
I then threw it outside.
It made a vibrating sound when I had the blanket over it.
boi...@bellsouth.net
So, that's where my electronic spy-bat went!
Boikat
John Wilkins
Vibrated? You sure it wasn't just an overcharged novelty vibrator?
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Philosophy
University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts
"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor,
bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."
Bodega
If I recall right from "Abbot and Costello Meet Dracula," you just
had a very close call.
J. J. Lodder
That's is silly way to do it.
Just open some windows, and it will just fly back out.
Bats are much better at it than birds,
who will continue to hit the one window that isn't open.
Echo location really helps,
Jan
tgde...@earthlink.net
Only works if they *want* to leave. I once lived in a house with attic
bat-cave. At one point, we found a long-undusted vase in the living
room to be a baby-bat nursery. The little things are actually cute.
But bats are apparently able to squeeze through small openings, which
may explain all the times people say "I can't figure out how it got
in."
-tg
Edwin Pawlowski
"Terry" <kilo...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Try to find out where it got in or it may come back again. I had that
happen a few years ago. In my case, it was the window with an air
conditioner that was not properly sealed at the top. They only need a very
tiny hole to get through.
Walter Bushell
j.wil...@uq.edu.au (John Wilkins) wrote:
> Vibrated? You sure it wasn't just an overcharged novelty vibrator?
The Hello Kitty kind? I saw an ad. for those once; later I read they
were not meant to be sold outside Japan.
Geoff
Um...what?
boi...@bellsouth.net
Truely, "Say what?" It would have been more cruel to know that bat
was in the house and not do anything about it, since there would
likely not be enough food around for the bat to eat, and it would have
starved after a day or so.
Boikat
Robert Carnegie
Going by an episode of _House, M.D._, you may have to think about
rabies an' stuff like that. (I hope you get to read this reasonably
promptly.)
In the United Kingdom, bats are legally protected and generally you
can't remove them from property, but they are unlikely to set up home
in human living space - and if a building is properly maintained, they
usually won't get in.
Terry
wrote:
That may be where the bat came in at. I lost site of it when I was
getting the blanket. It had landed on the window in my bedroom that
has the window AC unit.
After reading your message I checked and the insulation that goes
between the window may have been pushed up a small amount.
Thanks
BTW if it gets in again it has to die. I would rather not kill living
things. The ones that stay outside are safe, but the ones inside have
to go.
boi...@bellsouth.net
> from starvation you don't throw it outside, you release it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'm sure that's what he meant. I doubt he meant he threw it out like
he was throwing a fast ball.
Boikat
boi...@bellsouth.net
>
> Now he says the bat must die if it dares inconvenience him again. Like if
> he is talking about a mosquito or something (killing mosquitos I can
> understand).
Bad Terry! No biscuit!
>
> Killing bats is like killing puppies or kittens, people. You shouldn't do
> it if you want children to love and respect you ;)
>
> I am biased of course. I have been bitten several times by bats that I
> caught when I was a volunteer in a research project, many years ago. Only
> made me admire them more. They are such fragile little things, but with a
> lot of character.- Hide quoted text -
>
Agreed. Bats come under the heading of "So ugly, they're cute". I
did not see his (her) earlier post on Google when I posted earlier. :P
Boikat
ch
> On 15 Feb, 04:48, Terry <kilow...@charter.net> wrote:
>> I had to chase it with a blanked until it got too tired to fly.
>>
>> I then threw it outside.
> Going by an episode of _House, M.D._, you may have to think about
> rabies an' stuff like that. (I hope you get to read this reasonably
> promptly.)
Rabies is no fun.
In case you were bitten, please go to a health specialist NOW.
Not monday, tuesday. Really honestly NOW.
Jeff Wisnia
AFAIK it's the same in the USA.
Or so it would seem by what's said by this aptly named firm:
A friend in Florida hired them to "evict" a mess of bats which took up
residence under the tiles on his home's his "Spanish tile" roof. The
company used their "one way doors" to let the bats out and then keep
them out
Jeff
--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.
Terry
>I see no reason to be so sure / doubtful as you describe.
>
>Now he says the bat must die if it dares inconvenience him again. Like if
>he is talking about a mosquito or something (killing mosquitos I can
>understand).
>
>Killing bats is like killing puppies or kittens, people. You shouldn't do
>it if you want children to love and respect you ;)
>
>I am biased of course. I have been bitten several times by bats that I
>caught when I was a volunteer in a research project, many years ago. Only
>made me admire them more. They are such fragile little things, but with a
>lot of character.
>
Ok. Next time he comes in I will bring him to your house.
I hope your shots are up to date.
Doug Brown
your bat.
I have hoped to attract them for a while now, with little obvious success.
Bat's is neat and cool!
"Terry" <kilo...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Floyd L. Davidson
>Terry wrote:
>> I hope your shots are up to date.
>
The US Department for Health and Social Services
operates the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), which
has a very interesting article on bats and rabies:
http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/bats.html
Here are two short quotes:
"Most of the recent human rabies cases in the United
States have been caused by rabies virus from bats."
"... any bat that is active by day, is found in a
place where bats are not usually seen (for example, in
a room in your home or on the lawn), or is unable to
fly, is far more likely than others to be rabid."
Of course it is your pets that should have up to date
rabies shots...
--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) fl...@apaflo.com
Robert Carnegie
> nmp <add...@is.invalid> wrote:
> >Terry wrote:
> >> I hope your shots are up to date.
> >
> >I hardly see a reason for that.
>
> The US Department for Health and Social Services
> operates the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), which
> has a very interesting article on bats and rabies:
>
> http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/bats.html
>
> Here are two short quotes:
>
> "Most of the recent human rabies cases in the United
> States have been caused by rabies virus from bats."
>
> "... any bat that is active by day, is found in a
> place where bats are not usually seen (for example, in
> a room in your home or on the lawn), or is unable to
> fly, is far more likely than others to be rabid."
>
> Of course it is your pets that should have up to date
> rabies shots...
I remember Snoopy in the cartoons grimacing and clutching at his "arm"
after the shot... Back to _House, M.D._, this is one where ol' Greg's
magic did not work (homeless woman; cardboard shelter full of bats;
this they figured out later). Dr Foreman found the bats and got the
shots, I think. Patient died.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-11-24-girl-survives-rabies_x.htm
asserts that (in Wisconsin) you "should seek treatment after any
possible contact with a bat or a bite from any other wild animal.
Symptoms of the disease usually do not appear until about a month
after exposure, and by then it is too late to get the vaccine." /Any/
posible contact with a bat? Ri-ight.
Some people handle bats for fun or as a job, and presumably they, like
garbage workers, get the shots first, appropriate to each situation.
Floyd L. Davidson
>Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
>
>> nmp <add...@is.invalid> wrote:
>>>Terry wrote:
>>>> I hope your shots are up to date.
>>>
>>>I hardly see a reason for that.
>>
>> The US Department for Health and Social Services operates the Centers
>> for Disease Control (CDC), which has a very interesting article on bats
>> and rabies:
>>
>> http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/bats.html
>>
>> Here are two short quotes:
>>
>> "Most of the recent human rabies cases in the United States have been
>> caused by rabies virus from bats."
>>
>> "... any bat that is active by day, is found in a place where bats are
>> not usually seen (for example, in a room in your home or on the lawn),
>> or is unable to fly, is far more likely than others to be rabid."
>
>likely exactly? It does not say.
>
>I do admit, after a bit of reading (wikipedia and such), that perhaps
>bats in the Americas (and a few other regions) are indeed "more likely"
>to have (and transmit) rabies. Compared to other regions, that is.
You've totally missed the point. There is nothing there
comparing regions. It just says, without equivocation,
that bats are a *very* *common* vector for human rabies.
In the US it happens to be the most common (for a reason,
as explained below).
If you do even more research what you'll find is that
bats are one of the several types of animals in which
rabies is very commonly endemic. That means in any
given population it is always present (and is not
necessarily always fatal for every animal which has it).
>> Of course it is your pets that should have up to date rabies shots...
>
>Rabies kills people, too.
Pre-exposure human rabies vaccination is not routine. On
the other hand, for people like a veterinarian or a
researcher working with bats, they would in fact get a
pre-exposure vaccination.
Regardless of that, around the world 99% of human rabies
cases are the result of contact with rabid dogs. That
is not true in the US because a dogs commonly receive a
rabies vaccine...
>The CDC article seems very well balanced. At least it says that not all
I cited that particular article for good reason.
>bats have rabies and the method they describe to catch bats in your house
>is quite humane.
They recommend that bats caught in your home be tested
for rabies. The bat does not survive that test...
Terry
Davidson) wrote:
>
>Regardless of that, around the world 99% of human rabies
>cases are the result of contact with rabid dogs. That
>is not true in the US because a dogs commonly receive a
>rabies vaccine...
>
I am sure that 99% of all shark bites happen in water too. Which is
why sharks are going to have to learn how to walk before I get bit.
I am giving the bat one extra chance.
Floyd L. Davidson
>
><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies#Rabies_and_bats>
>
>> It just says, without equivocation, that bats are a *very*
>> *common* vector for human rabies. In the US it happens to be the most
>> common (for a reason, as explained below).
>>
>> If you do even more research what you'll find is that bats are one of
>> the several types of animals in which rabies is very commonly endemic.
>> That means in any given population it is always present (and is not
>> necessarily always fatal for every animal which has it).
>
>hundred) animals *will* have the virus, in other words, how much risk
>does one little bat really pose to you if you know nothing about it?
>
>It can be a very common infection for bats, and still be quite rare.
Which is made insignificant by the simple fact that,
rare or not, if you catch it... you die. *EVERY TIME*.
>>>> Of course it is your pets that should have up to date rabies shots...
>>>
>>>Rabies kills people, too.
>>
>> Pre-exposure human rabies vaccination is not routine. On the other
>> hand, for people like a veterinarian or a researcher working with bats,
>> they would in fact get a pre-exposure vaccination.
>
>I don't remember vaccination but it was like 20 years ago, in Belgium. I
>wasn't the researcher, but a sort of batcatcher. With a big scoop net ;)
Twenty years ago they may not have had a suitable
vaccination.
>> Regardless of that, around the world 99% of human rabies cases are the
>> result of contact with rabid dogs. That is not true in the US because a
>> dogs commonly receive a rabies vaccine...
>>
>>>The CDC article seems very well balanced. At least it says that not all
>>
>> I cited that particular article for good reason.
>>
>>>bats have rabies and the method they describe to catch bats in your
>>>house is quite humane.
>>
>> They recommend that bats caught in your home be tested for rabies. The
>> bat does not survive that test...
>
>They recommend this if you think you may have been bitten. Otherwise, it
How sure can you be though? One story I read was of a
young girl that woke up to find a bat in her bedroom,
and while she didn't think she had been bitten, she was
examined throughly anyway. They found no indication
that she had been bitten.
She died of rabies.
(The bat had been killed and tossed outside. They
actually found the carcass, and it tested positive.)
Taking risks with rabies is like playing Russian
Roulette.
>says: "If you see a bat in your home and you are sure no human or pet
>exposure has occurred, confine the bat to a room by closing all doors and
>windows leading out of the room except those to the outside. The bat will
>probably leave soon. If not, it can be caught, as described, and released
>outdoors away from people and pets."
Incidentally, my perspective on this is from living in
an area where we have rabies quarantines almost every
spring. The disease is endemic in Arctic foxes, which
like bats start showing up in places they should not be
and acting in ways that are not normal. I don't know
what the percentages are with bats, but with foxes they
are virtually *all* rabid if they exhibit those
characteristics.
gregwrld
The hi-rise I live in gets bats all the time and the method
you suggest works every time.
gregwrld
Geoff
> bat from starvation you don't throw it outside, you release it.
Who said it was starving?
Robert Carnegie
> Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
> > Taking risks with rabies is like playing Russian Roulette.
>
> We are talking about, what, a thousand chambers here?
>
> Ten thousand? We still don't know.
Technically, I believe the original "Russian roulette" is fictional or
hear-say - I think it's conditions in an army bar near the front in
_War and Peace_ or something - and a single chamber in the revolver
is /not/ loaded. If you hit that one chamber, you lose. You have to
go on living.
The official recommendation seems to be, if the bat that you handled
has flown away then let it worry about itself, but you, get the damn
vaccination. It's a couple of bucks, I assume. And if you don't get
it, then stay the hell away from me, till, let's say June. Will that
be about right?
Floyd L. Davidson
A rabies vaccination series might cost $1500-2000.
Robert Carnegie
> Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
> >On 17 Feb, 23:07, nmp <addr...@is.invalid> wrote:
> >> Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
> >> > Taking risks with rabies is like playing Russian Roulette.
>
> >> Russian roulette is one bullet in six or seven chambers.
> >> We are talking about, what, a thousand chambers here?
>
> >> Ten thousand? We still don't know.
>
> >Technically, I believe the original "Russian roulette" is fictional or
> >hear-say - I think it's conditions in an army bar near the front in
> >_War and Peace_ or something - and a single chamber in the revolver
> >is /not/ loaded. If you hit that one chamber, you lose. You have to
> >go on living.
>
> >The official recommendation seems to be, if the bat that you handled
> >has flown away then let it worry about itself, but you, get the damn
> >vaccination. It's a couple of bucks, I assume. And if you don't get
> >it, then stay the hell away from me, till, let's say June. Will that
> >be about right?
>
> A rabies vaccination series might cost $1500-2000.
For real? Man. Okay, go bite a cop or something. I bet you get it
for free. There may be drawbacks, however.
(Google) http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/08/23/rabies.shots.ap/
from 2000, refers to getting $1500 worth of shots at the 2000 price if
bitten, and a study where 40 per cent of patients getting the shots
didn't need them, presumably having been not bitten by a rabid
animal. Often having been bitten by an animal of undetermined
condition, I suppose.
Floyd L. Davidson
The significance of the price tag seems to be flying over
a few heads...
Pre-exposure immunization, due to the cost, is not
practical for the general population. People with a
very high potential for exposure, however, certainly
should get a vaccination. That includes, for example,
veterinarians and others who normally work with animals
that have a high incidence (bat researchers being an
example).
Otherwise, only post-exposure vaccination is likely to
be considered reasonable by most people. My position
all along has been that if there is even the slightest
possibility, vaccination is the only sensible route.
aemeijers
days. Managed to gash my hand doing some plumbing last year- the ER
charged me over 100 bucks just for the tetanus shot, on top of what the
stitches cost.
aem sends...
Mark Isaak
> Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
>> nmp <add...@is.invalid> wrote:
>> >Terry wrote:
>> >> I hope your shots are up to date.
>> >
>> >I hardly see a reason for that.
>>
>> The US Department for Health and Social Services
>> operates the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), which
>> has a very interesting article on bats and rabies:
>>
>> http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/bats.html
>>
>> Here are two short quotes:
>>
>> "Most of the recent human rabies cases in the United
>> States have been caused by rabies virus from bats."
>>
>> "... any bat that is active by day, is found in a
>> place where bats are not usually seen (for example, in
>> a room in your home or on the lawn), or is unable to
>> fly, is far more likely than others to be rabid."
>>
>> Of course it is your pets that should have up to date
>> rabies shots...
>
> I remember Snoopy in the cartoons grimacing and clutching at his "arm"
> after the shot... Back to _House, M.D._, this is one where ol' Greg's
> magic did not work (homeless woman; cardboard shelter full of bats;
> this they figured out later). Dr Foreman found the bats and got the
> shots, I think. Patient died.
Dr. Foreman needed the shots because he got bit by the patient.
In the old days (don't know how old), rabies shots were horribly painful,
so people really wanted to be sure they were needed. That excuse has
diminished substantially.
--
Mark Isaak eciton (at) earthlink (dot) net
"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of
the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are
being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and
exposing the country to danger." -- Hermann Goering
Dave Bugg
> The significance of the price tag seems to be flying over
> a few heads...
>
> Pre-exposure immunization, due to the cost, is not
> practical for the general population. People with a
> very high potential for exposure, however, certainly
> should get a vaccination. That includes, for example,
> veterinarians and others who normally work with animals
> that have a high incidence (bat researchers being an
> example).
>
> Otherwise, only post-exposure vaccination is likely to
> be considered reasonable by most people. My position
> all along has been that if there is even the slightest
> possibility, vaccination is the only sensible route.
Pre exposure vaccination still requires post-exposure vaccination if
exposure occurs. Those who have had pre-exposure vaccination require fewer
doses post exposure (usually two or three).
--
Dave
Dave Bugg
> The significance of the price tag seems to be flying over
> a few heads...
>
> Pre-exposure immunization, due to the cost, is not
> practical for the general population. People with a
> very high potential for exposure, however, certainly
> should get a vaccination. That includes, for example,
> veterinarians and others who normally work with animals
> that have a high incidence (bat researchers being an
> example).
>
> Otherwise, only post-exposure vaccination is likely to
> be considered reasonable by most people. My position
> all along has been that if there is even the slightest
> possibility, vaccination is the only sensible route.
Pre exposure vaccination still requires post-exposure vaccination if
Dave Bugg
> The significance of the price tag seems to be flying over
> a few heads...
>
> Pre-exposure immunization, due to the cost, is not
> practical for the general population. People with a
> very high potential for exposure, however, certainly
> should get a vaccination. That includes, for example,
> veterinarians and others who normally work with animals
> that have a high incidence (bat researchers being an
> example).
>
> Otherwise, only post-exposure vaccination is likely to
> be considered reasonable by most people. My position
> all along has been that if there is even the slightest
> possibility, vaccination is the only sensible route.
Pre exposure vaccination still requires post-exposure vaccination if
Dave Bugg
> The significance of the price tag seems to be flying over
> a few heads...
>
> Pre-exposure immunization, due to the cost, is not
> practical for the general population. People with a
> very high potential for exposure, however, certainly
> should get a vaccination. That includes, for example,
> veterinarians and others who normally work with animals
> that have a high incidence (bat researchers being an
> example).
>
> Otherwise, only post-exposure vaccination is likely to
> be considered reasonable by most people. My position
> all along has been that if there is even the slightest
> possibility, vaccination is the only sensible route.
Pre exposure vaccination still requires post-exposure vaccination if
Chemical Pete
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You need some of that socialist medicine that we have over this side of the
pond
>
> aem sends...
>
Robert Carnegie
> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:11:16 -0800 (PST), Robert Carnegie
>
>
>
>
>
> <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
> >On 18 Feb, 14:14, fl...@apaflo.com (Floyd L. Davidson) wrote:
> >> Robert Carnegie <rja.carne...@excite.com> wrote:
> >> >On 17 Feb, 23:07, nmp <addr...@is.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
> >> >> > Taking risks with rabies is like playing Russian Roulette.
>
> >> >> Russian roulette is one bullet in six or seven chambers.
> >> >> We are talking about, what, a thousand chambers here?
>
> >> >> Ten thousand? We still don't know.
>
> >> >Technically, I believe the original "Russian roulette" is fictional or
> >> >hear-say - I think it's conditions in an army bar near the front in
> >> >_War and Peace_ or something - and a single chamber in the revolver
> >> >is /not/ loaded. If you hit that one chamber, you lose. You have to
> >> >go on living.
>
> >> >The official recommendation seems to be, if the bat that you handled
> >> >has flown away then let it worry about itself, but you, get the damn
> >> >vaccination. It's a couple of bucks, I assume. And if you don't get
> >> >it, then stay the hell away from me, till, let's say June. Will that
> >> >be about right?
>
> >> A rabies vaccination series might cost $1500-2000.
>
> >For real? Man. Okay, go bite a cop or something. I bet you get it
> >for free. There may be drawbacks, however.
>
> >from 2000, refers to getting $1500 worth of shots at the 2000 price if
> >bitten, and a study where 40 per cent of patients getting the shots
> >didn't need them, presumably having been not bitten by a rabid
> >animal. Often having been bitten by an animal of undetermined
> >condition, I suppose.
>
Further reading on bats supports this... So I wonder how they
determined whether subjects had or had not needed the shots. I
suppose it can only be on whether or not the animal had rabies in
fact? Which the ER didn't know, and, I am going to say, couldn't
reasonably determine for sure?
Huh. A lot of research is pretty poor...