<snip crap>
Yawn. Is it full moon again?
--
Seppo P.
What's wrong with Theocracy? (a Finnish Taliban, Oct 1, 2005)
Well, yes, of course! There is a mention in Shakespeare of Falstaff
dining on leg of dragon. Dragons were killed off by overhunting and by
hopeless battles with the deadly unicorn. And there were fauns and
satyrs and mermaids, oh my!
-- Mike Palmer
Where are they? hiding behind the furniture?
How do you explain that the remains that we find are fossilized?
--
The whole religious complexion of the modern world is due to the absence
from Jerusalem of a lunatic asylum.
Thomas Paine
'cuse me - do you happen to know a Mr. E. Conrad?
(signed) marc
.
Loon
I agree entirely. And there is also excellent scientific evidence for
the existence of winged bulls with human heads, leprechauns, fairies,
unicorns, and everything else anyone has ever told a story about or
drawn a picture of.
> The Bombardier Beetle is only a half an inch long and it can explode a
> jet of hot, noxious fumes at its enemies from its back end. Imagine a
> creature thousands of times larger than the beetle with the same type
> of mechanism!
Wouldn't that be a steam-farting dragon, not a fire-breathing dragon?
> The T-Rex's skull has many hollow compartments all
> connected to its sinus cavities. These compartments might have held
> explosive chemicals which were needed to breath-fire.
I am at a loss to figure out what these "compartments" are supposed to be.
> This is a logical
> reason of how some dinosaurs became extinct. They were a menace to
> society and people hunted them. This explains why so many ancient
> stories describe humans slaying dragons for wealth, pride, and honor.
> Many dinosaurs died from a worldwide flood, and the fossils are
> evidence of that. For better evidence proving dinosaurs lived with
> people, go to www.TrueAuthority.com
Boy, let's hope it's better evidence. But somehow I doubt it.
> Dinosaurs Always Lived With People! Dinosaur wasn't a word until 1841
> when the first dinosaur fossil was discovered.
.... Folderol omitted...
Seems to me that History can prove that Mohammad ascended to Allah from the
site of the Dome of the Rock and, according to the official dispatches,
Napoleon actually won the battle of Eylau.
Maybe that's why Science doesn't accept papers, at least that I've ever
read, that rely solely on references to Shakespeare and the Upanishads to
prove their point?
.
Don't forget Saint George! He killed a dragon didn't he? After all he
must have done, if it didn't really happen then where did the story
come from? ...........
Seriously, what makes you think ancient tales and fables are evidence
for true events? Mind you, as this is probably written by people who
take every word of the Bible as unquestionable truth, I don't know why
I'm even asking that question.
Don't forget Harry Potter as well, there are dragons in that! Maybe
they were dinosaurs too...
I think he's talking about the basic skull architecture which (compared
to a mammal's skull) does have large holes. Dinosaurs, like their
avian kin, frequently used hollowing as a means of reducing the weight
of their skeletons. This is one reason why they were able to be both
large and agile. There is absolutely no reason to believe that
dinosaurs could project fire (or steam), or used these holes to hold
chemical sacs for any such purpose.
Admittedly, it is _possible_ that some dinosaurs might have had
chemical weapons. No living vertebrate can spray steam like a
bombardier beetle, though (and that is a rare ability even among
arthopods). Some birds eat poisonous plants or animals and concentrate
the toxins to make themselves poisonous; and there are quite a lot of
poisonous reptiles (most notably snakes). Dinosaurs are not very
closely related to snakes, but they are to birds. Perhaps some
dinosaurs could inject or spit venom?
However, there is no way short of time travel or some improbable
long-term survivals that any living humans (or indeed other great apes)
could have met non-avian dinosaurs. The last non-avian dinosaurs died
out, as far as the fossil record can tell us, around 65 million years
ago. The first true apes did not evolve until 20-25 million years ago
(depending on one's definition of a "true" ape); the first great apes
evolved around 12 million years ago; the human lineage began separating
from the chimpanzee and bonobo lineages around 6 million years ago; the
first anatomically modern humans appear around 200 thousand years ago;
and the first culturally modern humans around 50 thousand years ago.
Pre-industrial humans, of course, sometimes stumbled across dinosaur
fossils, and struggled to interpret them absent an awareness of the
true age and history of the Earth. They could tell that they were some
sort of huge beasts: sometimes they correctly noted the structural
affinities with birds and reptiles. Some legends of dragons almost
certainly came from ancient discoveries of fossilized dinosaurs. It is
interesting in this regard that many dragon legends speak of creatures
that live _underground_, since of course large creatures in general do
_not_ live underground.
Other possible sources of dragon legends are the giant lizards (such as
the Komodo dragon) which until human rendered most of them extinct were
fairly common in Indonesia and Australia; and the various giant birds
of South America, Madagascar, and Indonesia (which are almost certainly
also the source of the legends about rocs and simurghs). Humans saw
these creatures living, and many of them survived into historic times
(Now, alas, only the Komodo dragon, ostrich, rhea and emu still live).
Arguing strongly against the survival of dinosaurs into human times is
one simple fact: we have _never_ found a non-fossilized non-avian
dinosaur bone. That's the melancholy reality.
Too bad: I _wish_ there were still dinosaurs.
Sincerely Yours,
Jordan
OK so what is all this supposed to mean? Are we to believe now that
the Bible is correct after all, that creation is true?
Creation is true because we walked with dinosaurs!
Terrific headline to be posted on the Sunday topic sign outside the
church.
Seriously Mr. gist2, all these stories you mention prove nothing. You
had best study and find out what constitutes "proof". This sort of
speech is fun and interesting but mature adults know fantasy from
reality.
Kindly give us some solid evidence or go away.
and the universe revolves around the earth...yeah we know.
Paragraphs are your friend.
Chris
Of course dinosaurs co-exist with humans. I saw some of them this
morning.
James
The fire breathing dragons must have been THERAPODS. T-RXX had
enourmous nasal cavities.
josephus
> Dinosaurs Always Lived With People!
"Always?" Do you see any dinosaurs in your garage?
By the way--- birds are dinosaurs.
Jesus is the answer!
Er, ah, sorry.... I don't know what came over me. One need not posit a
(currently non-phastic) full moon to explain the lunacy that
talk.origins gravatically pulls in as regular as the tides; one need
only recognize the fact that raving, howling lunatics number in the
millions and some of them can work a keyboard, alas.
"Salem's Lot" insists there are vampires in New York, and I for one
believe it entirely.
> > The Bombardier Beetle is only a half an inch long and it can explode a
> > jet of hot, noxious fumes at its enemies from its back end. Imagine a
> > creature thousands of times larger than the beetle with the same type
> > of mechanism!
> Wouldn't that be a steam-farting dragon, not a fire-breathing dragon?
LOL!
> > The T-Rex's skull has many hollow compartments all
> > connected to its sinus cavities. These compartments might have held
> > explosive chemicals which were needed to breath-fire.
ROTFL!!! "Mister Babbington, run up more canister from the second
stomach!" Just where was the slow match or flint kept.... in the
arsehole?
> I am at a loss to figure out what these "compartments" are supposed to be.
Apparently they were used to yell through, much like a horn or bag
pipe.
(Cut)
> > Dinosaurs Always Lived With People! Dinosaur wasn't a word until 1841
> > when the first dinosaur fossil was discovered.
I suspect dinosaur fossils have been discovered for at least 100,000
years.
> .... Folderol omitted...
> Seems to me that History can prove that Mohammad ascended to Allah from the
> site of the Dome of the Rock and, according to the official dispatches,
> Napoleon actually won the battle of Eylau.
Yes; and Hitler "liberated" Poland; Bush2 "liberated" Iraq.
> Maybe that's why Science doesn't accept papers, at least that I've ever
> read, that rely solely on references to Shakespeare and the Upanishads to
> prove their point?
Methinks OP's a weasel.
> John Harshman wrote:
>
>>>The T-Rex's skull has many hollow compartments all
>>>connected to its sinus cavities. These compartments might have held
>>>explosive chemicals which were needed to breath-fire.
>
>
> I think he's talking about the basic skull architecture which (compared
> to a mammal's skull) does have large holes. Dinosaurs, like their
> avian kin, frequently used hollowing as a means of reducing the weight
> of their skeletons. This is one reason why they were able to be both
> large and agile. There is absolutely no reason to believe that
> dinosaurs could project fire (or steam), or used these holes to hold
> chemical sacs for any such purpose.
You're talking about the antorbital and temporal fenestrae?
> Admittedly, it is _possible_ that some dinosaurs might have had
> chemical weapons. No living vertebrate can spray steam like a
> bombardier beetle, though (and that is a rare ability even among
> arthopods). Some birds eat poisonous plants or animals and concentrate
> the toxins to make themselves poisonous; and there are quite a lot of
> poisonous reptiles (most notably snakes). Dinosaurs are not very
> closely related to snakes, but they are to birds. Perhaps some
> dinosaurs could inject or spit venom?
Conceivably, though there are no anatomical correlates, like grooved
fangs, known in any theropod.
[snip]
My cat brought one in this morning, and I hate when they shit my car.
>
> James
>
Danniel Soares
> Dinosaurs Always Lived With People! Dinosaur wasn't a word until 1841
> when the first dinosaur fossil was discovered. Before that time they
> were known as dragons. There are thousands of dragon legends throughout
> history. Encyclopedias in the 1500's describe dragons as rare living
> animals. There are many ancient drawings and artifacts of dinosaurs
Dinosaurs were not dragons. There ARE dragons, however. You don't want
to tangle with a large Komodo, believe me.
But there are lots of mythical animals in the annals of mythology. Most
of them never existed anywhere.
To support a claim that (non-avian) dinos and humans coexisted, you will
need to produce some real, physical evidence. So far, I've seen no good
evidence of dino remains anywhere above the K-T boundary. And no good
evidence of non-intrusive human remains anywhere down NEAR it.
Rest of useless drivel deleted for brevity.
> The Bombardier Beetle is only a half an inch long and it can explode a
> jet of hot, noxious fumes at its enemies from its back end. Imagine a
> creature thousands of times larger than the beetle with the same type
> of mechanism! The T-Rex's skull has many hollow compartments all
> connected to its sinus cavities. These compartments might have held
You have been reading way too much Duane Gish.
Try breathing air. Methane is bad for your brain.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
Or, if you want to actually learn something, read _The First Fossil
Hunters_ by
Adrienne Mayor. Mayor's notion is that ancient peoples found fossil
bones and
interpreted them as "monsters" using the knowledge they had as hunters
and slaugtherers
of animals.
-John
This post triggered a mental picture of a T-Rex taking a dump on a porsche.
Because they evolved to have exploding heads? Good theory guy.
I actually have a dragon in my garage, although unlike the original
poster I do not count it as a dinosaur. For one thing it is made of
paper mache for the purpose of mildly frightening children on halloween.
lol.
CT
But that would explain why most dinosaur fossils are extremely fragmentary,
and most nearly complete specimens are missing their heads.
Boikat
--
"I reject your reality, and substitute my own"
-Adam Savage, Mythbusters-
This meshes with a theory put forth by one T. Pratchett,
who determined that the leading cause of death of these
beasts was self-destruction by way of explosive chemistry.
Noelie Alito
Library Matron and Pterry Archivist
University of Ediacara
--
"I always make it a point of business ethics never to tell
a lie unless I think I can get away with it."
--The Film-Makers, 1983
Ook!
I've got a short story around here someplace that has spaceships with
dinosaurs returning to earth to see how it survived the meteorite that ended
their civilization.
--
Mike Painter
Head Coach
Chairman of the department of karlmath
Dean of the Raytard/peat college of asstrollogy
Dean of The Daniel N. Adams memorial college of Thinking Out Of The Box.
Holds the Max G. Arnold chair of Scientific Jurisprudence
Only person ever to be nominated for Pope at U. of E.
EAC chief of correcting the mispelled word "pray" to "prey"
Sadly, he is still peppering sci.geo.geology with his blatherings.
Has he got any new blatherings, or is he just doing a permanent re-run
of Conra*'s Greatest Misses?
No, man! Poland conquered Germany; and as Bush2, I hear Mr Hussein is
preparing to execute him as we speak....
I actually took a peek over there are a message from Ed was indeed
on the screen before my eyes. Don F. was also in a number of the
threads there, so that's a group to avoid at the moment for sure.
The message listed lots of newspapers listed by circulation or by
being from PA, with a subject line that evolution was soon to go
belly-up. The funny thing was that when I clicked on his profile
(a google-group feature) there was a message I haven't seen
before: "This account has been banned because it violated
the Google Groups Terms of Use.", so I can't tell you how many
posts a month he was making. (Like I *really* wanted to know.)
(signed) marc
.
Google Groups actually banned someone?! Bloody hell, what did he _do_? I've
seen truly noxious behaviour simply be ignored. An idiot who shall not be
named, because he is known to Google for his name and to come when called, is
currently indulging in an anti-gay crusade over on uk.comp.sys.mac, using
Google Groups to post anti-gay screeds and gay porn. (Yes, he's posting gay
porn to a Mac discussion group to attack gays. I said he was an idiot...)
For those who want to know, the idiot in question's last name is the same as
that of a province in the Kingdom of the Netherlands which many English
speakers use to refer to the Netherlands as a whole. He shares a first name
with actors named Reeve (deceased) and Walken (scary).
In any case, he's been at it for a while now and all efforts to get Google to
make him stop have been fruitless. Example reply:
"Thank you for your note. Google does not regularly monitor or censor
postings sent to Google Groups, but we do try to prevent wide-scale spam
and other forms of Usenet abuse. Please be assured that the information
you sent to us is being collected and taken into account. While we
understand how annoying off-topic posts can be, we aren't able to pursue
most complaints we receive about them. We are using the information you
provide to make large-scale improvements in preventing abuse. We
appreciate your help in our efforts to increase the quality of Google
Groups."
While Google is sitting on its hands, some of the regulars have adopted a
policy of noting that the idiot has a new nym and is posting a new porn image
by replying with the subject line 'Pornographic Image' or something close and
then adding the new nym to their killfiles. Conman Ed must have been truly
outrageous to get a ban.
--
email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
Your aversion to using the "enter" key gives you away.
But thanks for playing.
He's alive and well, and a quick google shows that he's posting on many
NGs, including - ta-da - "alt.fan.ed-conrad."
I like to think that I chased him away from TO by hounding him to
expand on his criticism of YEC. But a more likely reason he left TO is
because he does not want to play the "don't ask, don't tell" ID game.
Really I kind of miss him much the same as I miss my ex-wife of course
my aim is getting better all the time.
I will have to look at that if only for a few laughs. There are so many
from the YEC and OEC crowd and the New ID are just a hoot.
I heard that marriage is on the way out, as it's a lot cheaper to find
someone you hate and buy them a house...
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts
"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor,
bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."
That is so very true my friend it would have been easier to do that
mine told me she wanted a divorce in a thousand little ways, but having
a thousand little boyfriends, and a few hundred girlfriends.
Is it "The Homecoming" by Barry Longyear, by any chance? I
think the cover of my copy of "It Came From Schenectady" shows some
dinosaurs in a space ship looking down at Earth.
--
Andrew Arensburger, Systems guy University of Maryland
arensb.no-...@umd.edu Office of Information Technology
Time has little to do with infinity and jelly doughnuts.