God Uses Evolution
cjs...@gmail.com
God drowned man. Then God attempted to save man. Why I believe that
God is evolving.
My soul or consciousness if you will proves to me that God
exists. I believe that God may be everything. What better way for each
of us to have a chance to be, than a Universe in a state of eternal
evolution. Given a few billion years, I am proof that I can exist.
Death is not a punishment. It is a result of change. Perhaps God has
given us all an intermittent immortality. If I happened once, I can
happen again, and again. Assuming of course that time goes on
forever, and the Universe (GOD) evolves forever. Excuse me I have to
change. CJS
Therion Ware
On 26 Apr 2007 05:51:48 -0700, cjs...@gmail.com wrote in message
<1177591908....@o40g2000prh.googlegroups.com>:
>God evolved in God's dealing with man. First God threw man out. Then
>God drowned man. Then God attempted to save man. Why I believe that
>God is evolving.
What are the selection pressures on God. Discuss.
> My soul or consciousness if you will proves to me that God
>exists. I believe that God may be everything. What better way for each
>of us to have a chance to be, than a Universe in a state of eternal
>evolution. Given a few billion years, I am proof that I can exist.
>Death is not a punishment. It is a result of change. Perhaps God has
>given us all an intermittent immortality. If I happened once, I can
>happen again, and again. Assuming of course that time goes on
>forever, and the Universe (GOD) evolves forever. Excuse me I have to
>change. CJS
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John Wilkins
> On 26 Apr 2007 05:51:48 -0700, cjs...@gmail.com wrote in message
> <1177591908....@o40g2000prh.googlegroups.com>:
>
>
> >God evolved in God's dealing with man. First God threw man out. Then
> >God drowned man. Then God attempted to save man. Why I believe that
> >God is evolving.
>
> What are the selection pressures on God. Discuss.
Well, there are all those other gods competing for worship time...
>
> > My soul or consciousness if you will proves to me that God
> >exists....
> >Excuse me I have to
> >change. CJS
Yeah, nappies do get dirty when you are so full of shit.
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts
"He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor,
bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."
Therion Ware
Wilkins) wrote:
>Therion Ware <autod...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
>
>> On 26 Apr 2007 05:51:48 -0700, cjs...@gmail.com wrote in message
>> <1177591908....@o40g2000prh.googlegroups.com>:
>>
>>
>> >God evolved in God's dealing with man. First God threw man out. Then
>> >God drowned man. Then God attempted to save man. Why I believe that
>> >God is evolving.
>>
>> What are the selection pressures on God. Discuss.
>
>Well, there are all those other gods competing for worship time...
True. Come to think of it, Mr Pratchett discusses this at some length
in his tome "Small Gods," which IMO is well worth a read, although I
imagine you probably know it.
>>
>> > My soul or consciousness if you will proves to me that God
>> >exists....
>
>> >Excuse me I have to
>> >change. CJS
>
>Yeah, nappies do get dirty when you are so full of shit.
Alas, where there is an excess in the plumbing system, it tends to
back up, hence the phrase "verbal diarrhoea"! I think South Park
addressed this unfortunate condition at one time, although the
bastards still killed Kenny...
Conspiracy of Doves
> God evolved in God's dealing with man.
How do you know god exists?
> First God threw man out.
Again, how do you know?
> Then God drowned man.
The evidence says no.
> Then God attempted to save man.
Save man from what, exactly? His own wrath?
> Why I believe that God is evolving.
> My soul or consciousness if you will proves to me that God
> exists.
You have a very low standard for proof. Show that souls exist please.
And how is consciousness evidence of god?
Peter_W
God does not evolve and the Universe as you know it is not evolving
ether. Humanity with out the skills to seed new world is just apes
with doom of ignorance over them. I know! Humans are so weak minded
and so vain that the truth in front of them is rejected for fantasies
of life after life and glory for doing nothing but being an ape. When
any of you learn the basics you will shed all this nonsene and start
to live like children of God that none of you are doing on this
planet. You all act like apes thinking you know something but know
nothing. All the claims and wants of the apes wants for life after
death is exactly what we been telling you since the start of this
planet's breeding program... "You are to record all, and all be
recorded so you not die". What you have done is made up houses out of
the ape mind and cities out of the ape mind proving you understand
nothing of God or his will ANY OF YOU!
I was chosen and touched by God only to rise up to look at my own
people like apes that never evolved and still war and act just like
apes next to they I met that are God's real children that say I am one
too born on this world to serve one duty doom or save you all and all
life of it... it is obey or die time.
They that obey will repent for life and build the cities of the
children of God in most meek servitude to God for the sins of the
fathers over too many generations to count just and true.
Is man the child of God or just and ape? By what mankind build that is
perfect for each and all I judge you!
I know perfection and it mocks the entire planet that is brainwashed
to follow the constructed ways of the ape mankind too dumb to know how
to build correctly.
You that think God said you should breed in families like you have are
but the liars of the Universe for you were not told to be like apes
but like God!
All that touched the Holy Books and did not learn how to build in the
circle/seals or did not learn the true name of God or the true "word"
are but apes THAT TO THIS DAY ARE STILL APES UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND GOD
OR HOS OR ANYTHING OF HOS WILL BY THE INFERIOR LEVEL OF THE APE MIND
TO CONSTANTLY LIMIT THINGS TO VANITY.
Where is your perfect city? your perfected education and raising of
children? You equality to all Humans by physical constructions? Where
are you seals? How can you understand perfection if you run from it
like apes with out wisdom to use it?
I pity you all
Peter
cjs...@gmail.com
> Therion Ware <autodel...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
> > On 26 Apr 2007 05:51:48 -0700, cjs1...@gmail.com wrote in message
> > <1177591908.118214.37...@o40g2000prh.googlegroups.com>:
>
> > >God evolved in God's dealing with man. First God threw man out. Then
> > >God drowned man. Then God attempted to save man. Why I believe that
> > >God is evolving.
>
> > What are the selection pressures on God. Discuss.
>
> Well, there are all those other gods competing for worship time...
>
>
>
> > > My soul or consciousness if you will proves to me that God
> > >exists....
> > >Excuse me I have to
> > >change. CJS
>
> Yeah, nappies do get dirty when you are so full of shit.
> --
> John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
> University of Queensland - Blog: scienceblogs.com/evolvingthoughts
> "He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony, metaphor,
> bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious."
No sense of humor?
Therion Ware
Voice Over: And now a choice of viewing on BBC Television. Just
started on BBC2, the semi final of Episode 3 of 'Kierkegaard's
Journals', staring Richard Chamberlain, Peggy Mount and Billy Bremer,
and on BBC1, 'Ethel the Frog'
Introduction sort of music with Caption 'ETHEL THE FROG' Cut to
Presenter sitting behind desk)
Presenter: Good evening. On 'Ethel the Frog' tonight we look at
violence The violence of British Gangland. Last Tuesday a reign of
terror was ended when the notorious Wilkin's brothers, John and
Dinsdale, after one of the most extraordinary trials in British legal
history, were sentenced to 400 years imprisonment for crimes of
violence. We examined the rise to power of the Wilkins', the methods
they used to subjugate rival gangs and their subsequent tracking down
and capture by the brilliant Superintendent Harry 'Snapper' Organs of
Q Division. John and Dinsdale Wilkins were born, on probation, in a
small house in Kipling Road, Southwark, the eldest sons in a family of
sixteen. Their father Arthur Wilkin, a scrap metal dealer and TV
quizmaster, was well known to the police, and a devout Catholic. In
1928 he had married Kitty Malone, an up-and-coming East End boxer.
John was born in February 1929 and Dinsdale two weeks later; and again
a week after that. Someone who remembers them well was their next door
neighbour, Mrs April Simnel.
Mrs Simmel: Oh yes Kipling Road was a typical East End Street, people
were in and out of each other's houses with each other's property all
day. They were a cheery lot.
Interviewer: Was it a terribly violent area
Mrs Simmel: Oh no......yes. Cheerful and violent. I remember John was
keen on boxing, but when he learned to walk he took up putting the
boot in the groin. He was very interested in that. His mother had a
terrible job getting him to come in for tea. Putting his little boot
in he'd be, bless him. All the kids were like that then, they didn't
have their heads stuffed with all this Cartesian dualism.
Presenter: At the age of fifteen John and Dinsdale started attending
the Ernest Pythagoras Primary School in Clerkenwell. When the Wilkins
left school they were called up but were found by an Army Board to be
too unstable even for National Service. Denied the opportunity to use
their talents in the service of their country, they began to operate
what they called 'The Operation'... They would select a victim and
then threaten to beat him up if he paid the so-called protection
money. Four months later they started another operation which the
called 'The Other Operation'. In this racket they selected another
victim and threatened not to beat him up if he didn't pay them. One
month later they hit upon 'The Other Other Operation'. In this the
victim was threatened that if he didn't pay them, they would beat him
up. This for the Wilkin brothers was the turning point.
(Cut to Superintendent Organs - Subtitle: Harry "Snapper" Organs)
Organs: John and Dinsdale Wilkins now formed a gang, which the called
'The Gang' and used terror to take over night clubs, billiard halls,
gaming casinos and race tracks. When they tried to take over the MCC
they were for the only time in their lives, slit up a treat. As their
empire spread however, Q Division were keeping tabs on their every
move by reading the colour supplements.
Presenter: One small-time operator who fell foul of Dinsdale Wilkins
was Vince Snetterton-Lewis.
Vince: "Well one day I was at home threatening the kids when I looks
out through the hole in the wall and sees this tank pull up and out
gets one of Dinsdale's boys, so he comes in nice and friendly and says
Dinsdale wants to have a word with me, so he chains me to the back of
the tank and takes me for a scrape round to Dinsdale's place and
Dinsdale's there in the conversation pit with John and Charles
Paisley, the baby crusher, and two film producers and a man they
called 'Kierkegaard', who just sat there biting the heads of whippets
and Dinsdale says 'I hear you've been a naughty boy Clement' and he
splits me nostrils open and saws me leg off and pulls me liver out and
I tell him my name's not Clement and then... he loses his temper and
nails me head to the floor."
Interviewer: He nailed your head to the floor?
Vince: At first yeah
Presenter: Another man who had his head nailed to the floor was Stig
O' Tracy.
Interviewer: I've been told Dinsdale Wilkins nailed your head to the
floor.
Stig: No. Never. He was a smashing bloke. He used to buy his mother
flowers and that. He was like a brother to me.
Interviewer: But the police have film of Dinsdale actually nailing
your head to the floor.
Stig: (pause) Oh yeah, he did that.
Interviewer: Why?
Stig: Well he had to, didn't he? I mean there was nothing else he
could do, be fair. I had transgressed the unwritten law.
Interviewer: What had you done?
Stig: Er... well he didn't tell me that, but he gave me his word that
it was the case, and that's good enough for me with old Dinsy. I mean,
he didn't *want* to nail my head to the floor. I had to insist. He
wanted to let me off. He'd do anything for you, Dinsdale would.
Interviewer: And you don't bear him a grudge?
Stig: A grudge! Old Dinsy. He was a real darling.
Interviewer: I understand he also nailed your wife's head to a coffee
table. Isn't that true Mrs O' Tracy?
Mrs O' Tracy: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Stig: Well he did do that, yeah. He was a hard man. Vicious but fair
(Cut back to vince)
Interviewer: Vince, after he nailed your head to the floor, did you
ever see him again
Vince: Yeah.....after that I used to go round his flat every Sunday
lunchtime to apologise and we'd shake hands and then he'd nail my head
to the floor
Interviewer: Every Sunday?
Vince: Yeah but he was very reasonable. Once, one Sunday I told him my
parents were coming round to tea and would he mind very much not
nailing my head that week and he agreed and just screwed my pelvis to
a cake stand.
Presenter: Clearly Dinsdale inspired tremendous fear among his
business associates. But what was he really like?
Gloria: I walked out with Dinsdale on many occasions and found him a
charming and erudite companion. He was wont to introduce one to
eminent celebrities, celebrated American singers, members of the
aristocracy and other gang leaders,
Interviewer (off screen): How had he met them?
Gloria: Through his work for charities. He took a warm interest in
Boys' Clubs, Sailors' Homes, Choristers' Associations and the
Grenadier Guards.
Interviewer: Was there anything unusual about him?
Gloria: Not him. I should say not. Except, that Dinsdale was convinced
that he was being watched by a giant hedgehog whom he referred to as
'Spiny Norman'.
Interviewer: How big was Norman supposed to be?
Gloria: Normally Spiny Norman was wont to be about twelve feet from
snout to tail, but when Dinsdale was depressed Norman could be
anything up to eight hundred yards long. When Norman was about
Dinsdale would go very quiet and start wobbling and his nose would
swell up and his teeth would move about and he'd get very violent and
claim that he'd laid Stanley Baldwin."
Interviewer: "Did it worry you that he, for example, stitched people's
legs together?"
Gloria: "Well it's better than bottling it up isn't it. He was a
gentleman, Dinsdale, and what's more he knew how to treat a female
impersonator."
Presenter: But what do the criminologists think? We asked The Amazing
Kargol and Janet:
Ciminologist: It is easy for us to judge Dinsdale Wilkin too harshly.
After all he only did what many of us simply dream of doing... I'm
sorry. After all we should remember that a murderer is only an
extroverted suicide. Dinsdale was a loony, but he was a happy loony.
Lucky bugger."
Presenter: Most of the strange tales concern Dinsdale, but what about
John? One man who met him was Luigi Vercotti.
Vercotti: I had been running a successful escort agency -- high class,
no really, high class girls -- we didn't have any of *that* -- that
was right out. And I decided (phone rings) Excuse me (he answers
phone) Hello......no, not now......shtoom...shtoom....right......yes,
we'll have the watch ready for you at midnight.......the watch.....the
Chinese watch....yes, right-oh, bye-bye.....mother (he hangs up phone)
Anyway I decided to open a high class night club for the gentry at
Biggleswade with International cuisine and cooking and top line acts,
and not a cheap clip joint for picking up tarts -- that was right out,
I deny that completely --, and one evening in walks Dinsdale with a
couple of big lads, one of whom was carrying a tactical nuclear
missile. They said I had bought one of their fruit machines and would
I pay for it
2nd Interviewer: How much did they want?
Vercotti: They wanted three quarters of a million pounds.
2nd Interviewer: Why didn't you call the police?
Vercotti: Well I had noticed that the lad with the thermonuclear
device was the chief constable for the area. So a week later they
called again and told me the cheque had bounced and said... I had to
see... John.
2nd Interviewer: John?
Vercotti: John (takes a drink) Well, I was terrified. Everyone was
terrified of John. I've seen grown men pull their own heads off rather
than see John. Even Dinsdale was frightened of John.
2nd Interviewer: What did he do?
Vercotti: He used... sarcasm. He knew all the tricks, dramatic irony,
metaphor, bathos, puns, parody, litotes and... satire. He was vicious.
Presenter: By a combination of violence and sarcasm, the Wilkins
brothers by February 1966 controlled London and the Southeast of
England. It was in February, though, that Dinsdale made a big mistake.
Gloria: Latterly Dinsdale had become increasingly worried about Spiny
Norman. He had come to the conclusion that Norman slept in an
aeroplane hangar at Luton Airport.
Presenter: And so on Feb 22nd 1966, Dinsdale blew up Luton. (shot of a
H-Bomb exploding) Even the police began to sit up and take notice.
(Cut back to 'Harry Snapper' Organs)
Organs: The Wilkins realised they had gone too far and that the hunt
was on. They went into hiding. I decided on a subtle approach, viz.
some form of disguise, as the old helmet and boots are a bit of a
giveaway. Luckily my years with Bristol Rep. stood me in good stead,
as I assumed a bewildering variety of disguises. I tracked them to
Cardiff, posing as the Reverend Smiler Egret. Hearing they'd gone back
to London, I assumed the identity of a pork butcher, Brian Stoats. On
my arrival in London, I discovered they had returned to Cardiff, I
followed as Gloucester from _King Lear_. Acting on a hunch I spent
several months in Buenos Aires as Blind Pew, returning through the
Panama Canal as Ratty, in _Toad of Toad Hall_. Back in Cardiff, I
relived my triumph as Sancho Panza in _Man of la Mancha_ which the
"Bristol Evening Post" described as 'a glittering performance of rare
perception', although the "Bath Chronicle" was less than enthusiastic.
In fact it gave me a right panning. I quote
Voice Over: As for the performance of Superintendent Harry "Snapper"
Organs as Sancho Panza, the audience were bemused by his high-pitched
Welsh accent and intimidated by his abusive ad-libs.
Organs (off screen):The "Western Daily News" said......
Voice over (John Cleese): 'Sancho Panza (Mr Organs) spoilt an
otherwise impeccably choreographed rape scene by his unscheduled
appearance and persistent cries of "What's all this then?"'
John Wilkins
Me brother Dinsy and I want to have a quiet word with you about the
spelling of our last name. Wilkins is singular, *or* plural, or if you
like Wilkinses is a plural acceptable to me old mam.
Dinsy will bring his chainsaw, and I... I will just whisper in your
ears.
Therion Ware
Wilkins) wrote:
[snip]
>Me brother Dinsy and I want to have a quiet word with you about the
>spelling of our last name. Wilkins is singular, *or* plural, or if you
>like Wilkinses is a plural acceptable to me old mam.
>
>Dinsy will bring his chainsaw, and I... I will just whisper in your
>ears.
Well, I mean you've got to. Hard but fair I've always said..!
Ian Chua
Incorrect use of the word "evolved" in this context.
God does not evolve and does not change.
His love for humanity has been very consistent.
Tachyglossus
news:1177607530.275420.166390@t39g2000prd.
>
>> Then God attempted to save man.
>
> Save man from what, exactly? His own wrath?
You can't have been paying attention! Surely you know that God sacrificed
himself to himself so he would no longer have to direct his wrath against
his own creations for acting in the way he always knew they would act as a
result of the way he created them...?
I mean, what could *possibly* make more or better sense than that...?
T.
cjs...@gmail.com
You , your consciousness is the living proof of God. You fail to see
that. Your loss. Actually I don't believe the bible. I am just trying
to show creationists that everything evolves. If religion fails to
recognize science facts and denies the truth, than it is a lie. Most
organized religions are based on archaic misinterpretations .
Conspiracy of Doves
HOW is consciousness proof of god? Explain your 'reasoning'. What is
it about consciousness that proves that god exists? If you come in
here, make a purely nonsensical statement, and then insult us we we
ask for clarification (yes, feigned pity is an insult), you will get
lumped in with the like of Duke, J Young, and other lunatics.
cjs...@gmail.com
My existence proves to me that there is a God. My existence proves
nothing to you. You have to make your own mind up about God.
Conspiracy of Doves
Stop dodging the question. Your exact words were "your consciousness
is the living proof of God". Explain HOW anyone's consciousness could
be proof of god. To themselves or anyone else.
nmp
Cemtech
cjs...@gmail.com says...
> God evolved in God's dealing with man. First God threw man out. Then
> God drowned man. Then God attempted to save man. Why I believe that
> God is evolving.
"I don't know, maybe God took an Anger Management course. Or maybe the
birth of his son calmed him down." - Lewis Black
--
"You don't see a rabbi interpeting the New Testament,
do you?" - Lewis Black_Red, White & Screwed
Cemtech
ic...@purdue.edu says...
> On Apr 26, 8:51 am, cjs1...@gmail.com wrote:
> > God evolved in God's dealing with man.
>
> Incorrect use of the word "evolved" in this context.
> God does not evolve and does not change.
> His love for humanity has been very consistent.
Even when he drowned them all! Well except for a couple of em.
Peter_W
> "Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1177607530.275420.166390@t39g2000prd.
>
>
>
> >> Then God attempted to save man.
>
> > Save man from what, exactly? His own wrath?
>
> You can't have been paying attention! Surely you know that God sacrificed
> himself to himself so he would no longer have to direct his wrath against
> his own creations for acting in the way he always knew they would act as a
> result of the way he created them...?
>
> I mean, what could *possibly* make more or better sense than that...?
>
> T.
God sacrificed? what? Not one single proof that God sacrificed
anything at all in any way shape or form.
Jesus himself is not a sacrifice but an example of the path God wanted
man to obey. Things like not to carry money and share all things and
to live as individual and not families like apes that man has chosen
over all the effort of God and his kingdom to teach better.
Consciousness is just a level of perception and we do share this with
all advanced beings but as only life form on this planet with this
level of perception, we also get the massif responsibility that goes
with it and in our case it is to hold life in massif plenty and to
carry any kind of life to any place it can take hold on any other
world. In this act we are like God but then you worship money and
false leaders like Bush when you have not the right to choose anyone
but Jesus as a Christian or by lkaw of God be vomited out!
So, God is real and he is perfect in his ways and does not evolve in
the perfection BUT DOES COLLECT RECORDS OF LIFE OF ANY KIND AS PROOF
IT WAS/IS. Life after death is very much an exageration of follish
people that understand not the ability to be recorded up to perfectly
like in Jesus that can't die even if he wanted to for all he is is not
dead and can be remade over and over or just left to be proof by
itself... ether way he lives and the not recorded properly of this
world reguardless of personal belief die off by pure lack of recording
the event of life or the flavour of it.
Humans are clever apes trying to pretend they understand what is more
advanced than they are.
Martin Hutton
On 27-Apr-2007, Ian Chua <ic...@purdue.edu> wrote:
> On Apr 26, 8:51 am, cjs1...@gmail.com wrote:
[Following statements made with the assumption that
your holy book is inerrant and is to be read literally]
> > God evolved in God's dealing with man.
>
> Incorrect use of the word "evolved" in this context.
Perhaps not..."evolve" originally meant "unrolling" and
was a term used in developmental biology.
> God does not evolve and does not change.
God is so unchangable that he never regrets any decision
or changes his mind. He is so unchangable that the hairy
thunderer of the Hebrew testament did not change to the
cosmic muffin of the Greek testament to the "non interfering
deity" of today.
I don't know how you Christians can make such inane statements.
> His love for humanity has been very consistent.
True...but it's quite a leap to call it "love".
Your god has loved humanity so much that "He" drowned
all but 8 people. "He" killed an entire generation of
Egyptians after ensuring that the Pharaoh's heart was
hardened. Genocide had been committed under "His" orders,
except in one case "He" did permit young virgins to live
so that they could become sex slaves. And, to cap it all,
"He" condemns billions of "souls" to an eternity of agony.
This is a description of the love of an abusive parent or
spouse, and like the abusee often does, you and your ilk
place the blame for the abuse on yourself to appease the
abuser.
>
> >First God threw man out. Then
> > God drowned man. Then God attempted to save man. Why I believe that
> > God is evolving.
> > My soul or consciousness if you will proves to me that God
> > exists. I believe that God may be everything. What better way for each
> > of us to have a chance to be, than a Universe in a state of eternal
> > evolution. Given a few billion years, I am proof that I can exist.
> > Death is not a punishment. It is a result of change. Perhaps God has
> > given us all an intermittent immortality. If I happened once, I can
> > happen again, and again. Assuming of course that time goes on
> > forever, and the Universe (GOD) evolves forever. Excuse me I have to
> > change. CJS
--
Martin Hutton
coaster
Ah, but if you were to go over to CoD's house and punch him in the
face then your existence would prove something to him right away, and
bet it would mean a great deal. You ignore the principle of
interconnectedness in your arguments. God exists for you, not because
you exist, but because the concept of God works.