The pernicious effect of Darwinism
Logos
1859, the publication date of the nefarious Origin, we see something rather
remarkable. Whole power structures, rationalizations for power grabs, etc,
built on the edifice of this one book. As the airy breezes of secularism,
atheism, liberal humanism, post modernism, deconstructionism, reductionism,
etc., etc., ushered forth from the book's dreary passages and infected whole
epochs, a new breed of leader ascended thrones throughout the world. To
name a few: Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Saddam, bin Laden, Lamy, etc.
Today, there are lesser despots the world over who are their progeny: Chavez
in Venezuala, Ahmadinijad in Iran, the Alawite despots in Syria, Jong Il in
North Korea and others in Sudan, Bolivia, etc. All these leaders are part
in parcel born of the same inclinations: Darwinism, and the relief he seems
to offer in their escape from G_d. The genie's out of the bottle, and it
will be tough to put back in, but the global effort to annhilate this
invidious rot that threatens our existence and life style is clear: we must
attack in a two pronged effort, both of which will be messy. The first
effort is abroad, where we've already started in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Before you get all bent out of shape about fighting more wars, let me just
say that not each of these instances will require a full-out war effort and
occupation. Some may fold under a display of air power. Others may fold
under economic persuasion. But whatever the case, the back of this movement
must be broken before it undermines the entire world order. The second
effort is at home, where the atheists, secularists and others who fancy
themselves mini-Stalins, or the Hitlers of their social groups, must drop
these pretenses and join the over 90% of American Christians who are full on
board. Thankfully the rot hasn't spread as extensively as Western Europe,
where decaying societies in France, the Netherlands and Germany hear the
ticking clock of demographic cataclysm, and where a clear majority lack any
adherence to G_d. Our final showdown may ultimately be with them. But
whatever the result, we can labor on knowing full well that He is on our
side, and we follow the course He has charted for us.
shane
> If we take a step back and look at what has happened to the world since
> 1859, the publication date of the nefarious Origin, we see something rather
> remarkable. Whole power structures, rationalizations for power grabs, etc,
> built on the edifice of this one book.
I don't see that, care to provide some evidence.
> As the airy breezes of secularism,
> atheism, liberal humanism, post modernism, deconstructionism, reductionism,
> etc., etc., ushered forth from the book's dreary passages and infected whole
> epochs,
Millions of years, hey, I thought you said it only came out in 1859?
> a new breed of leader ascended thrones throughout the world. To
> name a few:
> Lenin,
No throne.
> Hitler,
No throne, + was a theist.
> Stalin,
No throne.
> Mao,
No throne.
> Saddam,
No throne, + is a theist.
> bin Laden,
No throne, and not even a country, and is a theist.
> Lamy,
No throne.
> etc.
> Today, there are lesser despots the world over who are their progeny: Chavez
> in Venezuala,
Theist?
Ahmadinijad in Iran,
Theist
> the Alawite despots in Syria,
Theists.
> Jong Il in
> North Korea and others in Sudan, Bolivia, etc. All these leaders are part
> in parcel born of the same inclinations: Darwinism, and the relief he seems
> to offer in their escape from G_d.
Of course they keep this well hidden from the world and you can search
their writings and speeches in vain for any mention of Darwinism,
(whatever that is).
> The genie's out of the bottle, and it
> will be tough to put back in, but the global effort to annhilate this
> invidious rot that threatens our existence and life style is clear: we must
> attack in a two pronged effort, both of which will be messy.
Given the creationist ability to kick own goals, I shudder to think what
they can do to themselves with two prongs, but "messy" undoubtedly
describes it.
> The first
> effort is abroad, where we've already started in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Started what? You are fighting theistic govenrments, which is probably a
good thing, but it's relevance to evolution would therefore be negligible.
> Before you get all bent out of shape about fighting more wars, let me just
> say that not each of these instances will require a full-out war effort and
> occupation.
Yeah, just a part effort that is being so successful in Iraq will
undoubtedly suffice.
> Some may fold under a display of air power. Others may fold
> under economic persuasion.
Note all the great examples here? Iraq bent under a display of air power
in 1991, and 14 years later thoudands more have to die. Talk about being
ignorant of the lessons of history.
> But whatever the case, the back of this movement
> must be broken before it undermines the entire world order.
I agree. Rampant theism is a curse.
> The second
> effort is at home, where the atheists, secularists and others who fancy
> themselves mini-Stalins, or the Hitlers of their social groups, must drop
> these pretenses and join the over 90% of American Christians who are full on
> board.
If 90% are fully on board, why is the U.S. in such poor shape morally?
And why are the fundamentalists in the U.S. the ones that want to
emulate governments like Iraq, USSR, Afghanistan etc.?
> Thankfully the rot hasn't spread as extensively as Western Europe,
That's right, they generally reject fundamentalism.
> where decaying societies in France, the Netherlands and Germany hear the
> ticking clock of demographic cataclysm,
And look to the U.S. to see the results of that cataclysm when people
finally work out how perfidious fundamentalism is.
> and where a clear majority lack any
> adherence to G_d.
A lot believe in God though, a far more powerful deity.
> Our final showdown may ultimately be with them. But
> whatever the result, we can labor on knowing full well that He is on our
> side, and we follow the course He has charted for us.
Is "He" your god, if he is then I am not worried. Any god who is too
scared to have his name mentioned is no match for the god of the Bible
who trumps all other gods.
Shane
The truth will set you free.
Nic
Yeah, it's all Darwin' s fault that Hitler and Stalin couldn't see what
you see in the shape of a banana.
flon...@longship.net
Hmmph! How typical.
A.Carlson
I'm sure Freud could have!
ttambo...@gmail.com
> If we take a step back and look at what has happened to the world since
> 1859,
Shouldn't we examine the world between 1BCE and 1859 CE as an
appropriate comparison?
>the publication date of the nefarious Origin, we see something rather
> remarkable.
People who don't understand science making long-winded diatribes
against it? Or creating a rather lame and tenuous link between the
publication of a book detailing the change of species over time with
criminal-tyrants and oppressors who seized power for themselves and
also probably haven't read the book in the first place?
>Whole power structures, rationalizations for power grabs, etc,
> built on the edifice of this one book.
Ah, yes. Let's go back to 1BCE to 1859 CE: Divine Right of Kings,
theocracy or church supported/infiltrated monarchy, the Crusades,
slavery, oppression of minority groups, anti-Semitism, & etc.
authorized by one book as well.
>As the airy breezes of secularism,
> atheism, liberal humanism, post modernism, deconstructionism, reductionism,
> etc., etc., ushered forth from the book's dreary passages and infected whole
> epochs, a new breed of leader ascended thrones throughout the world.
As the airy breezes of fundamentalism Xianity ushered forth from the
book's dreary passages and infected whole epochs, a new breed of leader
ascended thrones throughout the world.
>To
> name a few: Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Saddam, bin Laden, Lamy, etc.
To name a few: Emperor Constantine, Edward I (exile's England's Jews),
Pope Nicholas V (authorised the Portuguese to make war on muslims and
pagans, and to make them slaves, applauded the trade in negroes),
Oliver Cromwell, Robespierre, Catherine the Great, Aleksander III of
Russia, etc.
> Today, there are lesser despots the world over who are their progeny: Chavez
> in Venezuala, Ahmadinijad in Iran, the Alawite despots in Syria, Jong Il in
> North Korea and others in Sudan, Bolivia, etc.
Today, there are lesser despots the world over who have hijacked a
religion that was founded by someone called "The Prince of Peace,"
like:
Pat Robertson ("if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think
that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper
than starting a war.")
Jerry Falwell ("I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists,
and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively
trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the
American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I
point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen.") & Pat
Robertson ("Well, I totally concur"),
Liberian Dictator Charles Taylor (friend and business partner to Pat
Robertson and a "fine baptist" according to him).
Mobuto Sese Seko, brutal tyrant of Zaire (friend and business partner
to Pat Robertson, also)
>All these leaders are part
> in parcel born of the same inclinations: Darwinism, and the relief he seems
> to offer in their escape from G_d.
All these leaders, religious and tyrants, are part in parcel born of
the same inclinations: Greed and hypocracy, coupled with fundamentalist
Xianity, all for their greed, more than for G_d.
>The genie's out of the bottle, and it
> will be tough to put back in, but the global effort to annhilate this
> invidious rot that threatens our existence and life style is clear: we must
> attack in a two pronged effort, both of which will be messy. The first
> effort is abroad, where we've already started in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The first effort is abroad, bring these hypocrates and evil-doers in
the spotlight and highlight their evil.
> Before you get all bent out of shape about fighting more wars, let me just
> say that not each of these instances will require a full-out war effort and
> occupation.
Before you get all bent out of shape about showing these evil men for
what they are, let me just say that not each of these instances will
require a full-out media blitz.
>Some may fold under a display of air power. Others may fold
> under economic persuasion.
Some may fold under the harsh light of an unforgiving public to their
duplicity and crap.
>But whatever the case, the back of this movement
> must be broken before it undermines the entire world order.
Greatfully, the ID/creationist camp has nothing but lies. The back of
this movement is completely severed. Each time they change the lie they
tell their followers.
>The second
> effort is at home, where the atheists, secularists and others who fancy
> themselves mini-Stalins, or the Hitlers of their social groups, must drop
> these pretenses and join the over 90% of American Christians who are full on
> board.
The second effort is at home, where you can support the ACLU! Speak up
and protest their hate speech. Fight against the dumbing down of
science standards and fight against creationist/ID crap!
>Thankfully the rot hasn't spread as extensively as Western Europe,
Yes, Europe, where science is science and creationists have no hold.
> where decaying societies in France, the Netherlands and Germany hear the
> ticking clock of demographic cataclysm, and where a clear majority lack any
> adherence to G_d.
Where those countries have very little fundamentalist flim-flam artists
duping the masses.
>Our final showdown may ultimately be with them.
Our final showdown will ultimately be with fundamentalists - from both
Xianity and Islam!
>But
> whatever the result, we can labor on knowing full well that He is on our
> side, and we follow the course He has charted for us.
But whatever the result, we can labor on knowing full well that science
is based solely upon the evidence and not the mystical beliefs of
IDiots totally lacking in knowledge of the scientific method and we can
follow the course science and technology have provided to improve our
lives with medicine, computers, machines and transportation, and so on.
Oh, and that God (yes, God) is on the side of Theistic Evolutionists.
Yep. He is!
/M
thissteve
Logos wrote:
> If we take a step back and look at what has happened to the world since
> 1859,
1859 was, of course, the origin of the Georgia Dental Association
(http://www.gadental.org/History.htm), and look at the mess we're in.
We must rid the world of the Georgia Dental Association.
darkmatt...@gmail.com
> If we take a step back and look at what has happened to the world since
> 1859, the publication date of the nefarious Origin, we see something rather
> remarkable.
The end of large-scale slavery, for one. Universal suffrage for two.
Are they connected with the printing of Origins? I can't say for sure,
as we don't really have access to the histories of alternate universes.
I'm reasonably sure, however, that power-mad despots would continue to
oppress and murder, just as they have done before and since 1859.
Whole power structures, rationalizations for power grabs, etc,
> built on the edifice of this one book.
I'm currently unaware of any government built on the edifice of
biological evolution, just as I'm unaware of any power structure built
on the edifice of Big Bang cosmology. It seems like an odd thing to
rally people around, frankly.
As the airy breezes of secularism,
> atheism, liberal humanism, post modernism, deconstructionism, reductionism,
> etc., etc., ushered forth from the book's dreary passages and infected whole
> epochs, a new breed of leader ascended thrones throughout the world. To
> name a few: Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Saddam, bin Laden, Lamy, etc.
I'm not really sure that you can blame Lenin, Hitler, Stalin and the
gang on liberal humanism and post-modernism, etc., especially since
most of those philosophical schools were created in reaction to the
totalitarian regimes of the 20th century. It seems especially odd to
equate bin Laden with atheism and liberal humanism.
> Today, there are lesser despots the world over who are their progeny: Chavez
> in Venezuala, Ahmadinijad in Iran, the Alawite despots in Syria, Jong Il in
> North Korea and others in Sudan, Bolivia, etc. All these leaders are part
> in parcel born of the same inclinations: Darwinism, and the relief he seems
> to offer in their escape from G_d.
Well, Ahmadinejad represents a government that claims a mandate from
"G_d", while the Alawites are actually a persecuted religious group in
their own country and have very strong beliefs in "G_d", while just
about all the leaders in the Sudan claim "G_d's" backing for their
sundry enterprises. I'd be willing to bet that they don't wish to
"escape from G_d".
The genie's out of the bottle, and it
> will be tough to put back in, but the global effort to annhilate this
> invidious rot that threatens our existence and life style is clear: we must
> attack in a two pronged effort, both of which will be messy. The first
> effort is abroad, where we've already started in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Wait.
Did I just read that?
You really believe that our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are or should
be directed against _Darwinism_?
That we are making those countries safe for _creationism_?
That the mujahadeen suicide bombers blow themselves up with a cry of
"Darwin Akbar!"?
> Before you get all bent out of shape about fighting more wars, let me just
> say that not each of these instances will require a full-out war effort and
> occupation. Some may fold under a display of air power. Others may fold
> under economic persuasion. But whatever the case, the back of this movement
> must be broken before it undermines the entire world order.
What movement?
The second
> effort is at home, where the atheists, secularists and others who fancy
> themselves mini-Stalins, or the Hitlers of their social groups, must drop
> these pretenses and join the over 90% of American Christians who are full on
> board.
On board what? What pretenses? Who fancies themselves mini-hitlers?
Thankfully the rot hasn't spread as extensively as Western Europe,
> where decaying societies in France, the Netherlands and Germany hear the
> ticking clock of demographic cataclysm, and where a clear majority lack any
> adherence to G_d.
Actually, a large and growing democraphic group in those countries has
a very strong adherence to "G_d". Fanatical adherence, you might even
say.
Our final showdown may ultimately be with them. But
> whatever the result, we can labor on knowing full well that He is on our
> side, and we follow the course He has charted for us.
There is a great deal of danger in believing that the supposed source
of all morality and virtue is "on our side". It tends to make one
believe that ends justify means, or that normally henious crimes are
acceptable, even Holy, when carried out under the instructions or with
the blessings of Deity. For examples, see Ahmadinejad's Iran, Bin
Laden, 9/11 and the Albigensian crusade.
-darkmatter
John Wilkins
book (so titled) by Samuel Smiles. All social ills derive from self-help
books. Even the man's very *name* indicates the vapidness of this movement. It
has destroyed our community spirit and sapped our moral fibre. We must
immediately burn all self-help books and ransack every self-help group, no
matter how they disguise themselves as religions or psychological support
services.
Act Now! Burn a self help artifact!
--
John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
"Darwin's theory has no more to do with philosophy than any other
hypothesis in natural science." Tractatus 4.1122
coast...@gmail.com
"JIHAD!! JIHAD!!", Logos says
Sverker Johansson
> If we take a step back and look at what has happened to the world since
> 1859, the publication date of the nefarious Origin, we see something rather
> remarkable.
We do indeed. Looking just at the Western world, where the influence
of Darwin has been greatest, there have been vast changes since 1859:
- human life expectancy has increased several decades
- infant mortality has fallen to a tiny fraction
- maternal mortality has been effectively eliminated
- diseases that used to be killers are now curable
- slavery has been abolished
- living standards have risen to unprecedented heights
- democracy and human rights have become the rule rather than the
exception
Isn't evolution great?
[snip despots, many of whom are religious]
Arguably, the post-1859 period is the first period in history when a
substantial number of countries have NOT been ruled by despots.
In the good ole days of religious hegemony, despotism was the
standard system. The fact that Hitler (a catholic) managed to kill
more people than, say, Nero, is more a matter of technological
capacity than inclination.
--
Best regards,
Sverker Johansson
-----------------------------
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy,
education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would
indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of
punishment and hope of reward after death." - Albert Einstein
------------------------------
Ash
Snip
How do yu find these things, do searches for "stupid and ignorant
anti-science rants"?
Wakboth
Logos kirjoitti:
> If we take a step back and look at what has happened to the world since
> 1859, the publication date of the nefarious Origin, we see something rather
> remarkable. Whole power structures, rationalizations for power grabs, etc,
> built on the edifice of this one book.
Such as? Hint: Soviet Union, and the other Communist regimes based
themselves on the writings of Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, and V.I.
Lenin; not on Darwin. Nazis followed Hitler's ideas, set down in his
book "Mein Kampf". And the current-day Islamist fundies are following a
twisted interpretation of the Quran combined with traditional sources.
> As the airy breezes of secularism,
> atheism, liberal humanism, post modernism, deconstructionism, reductionism,
> etc., etc., ushered forth from the book's dreary passages and infected whole
> epochs, a new breed of leader ascended thrones throughout the world.
I fail to see what bad is there in any of the above-mentioned ideas.
Personally, I'm not an atheist, and consider postmodernism,
deconstructionism and reductionism having been taken to ridiculous
extremes by some academicians (especially when trying to apply them
indiscriminately to fields where they don't fit), but the basic ideas
are not bad.
> To name a few: Lenin,
A communist; founder of Marxism-Leninism and of Soviet Union, based on
the works of himself and Marx. Not inspired by Darwin.
> Hitler
A charismatic demagogue, megalomaniac and an antisemitist, who utilized
centuries-old antisemitism, popular resentment and mystical and
pseudoscientical race theories. Not inspired by Darwin.
> Stalin
As Lenin, except more paranoid, brutal and coarse. Inspired by Lenin,
not Darwin.
> Mao
As Stalin above, except less paranoid. Inspired by Lenin and Stalin,
not Darwin.
> Saddam
Middle-eastern fascist dictator. Not inspired by Darwin; rather, by
Hitler.
> bin Laden
Saudi-Arabian fundamentalist fanatic, wholly inspired by a particularly
backward interpretation of the Quran. If you told him that he's
inspired by Darwin, I'm sure he would have his followers stone you to
death, or something similarly Biblical.
> Lamy, etc.
Who the heck is this Lamy person?
> Today, there are lesser despots the world over who are their progeny: Chavez
> in Venezuala, Ahmadinijad in Iran, the Alawite despots in Syria, Jong Il in
> North Korea and others in Sudan, Bolivia, etc. All these leaders are part
> in parcel born of the same inclinations: Darwinism, and the relief he seems
> to offer in their escape from G_d.
Chavez is a leftist popularist; Alawites are Baathists (basically,
Middle-Eastern fascists), Kim Jong Il is the world's first reigning
Communist monarch. (Incidentally, they also seem to be listed in an
order of nastiness.) Nothing I've read about them makes me think their
actions are, in any way, inspired by Darwin and/or ToE, or even Social
Darwinism.
As for Ahmadinijad is, by all accounts, an islamic fundamentalist
(although of a different sort and less insane than bin Laden); to say
he's trying to escape from God is laughable in its face.
> The genie's out of the bottle, and it
> will be tough to put back in, but the global effort to annhilate this
> invidious rot that threatens our existence and life style is clear: we must
> attack in a two pronged effort, both of which will be messy. The first
> effort is abroad, where we've already started in Iraq and Afghanistan.
> Before you get all bent out of shape about fighting more wars, let me just
> say that not each of these instances will require a full-out war effort and
> occupation. Some may fold under a display of air power. Others may fold
> under economic persuasion. But whatever the case, the back of this movement
> must be broken before it undermines the entire world order.
The price of peace is an eternal war, eh? Considering the sorry
situation US military finds itself at the moment, embroiled in
unnecessary guerrilla war in Iraq, as well as the plummeting approval
ratings of the Bush administration, as well as the multiple interlinked
corruption scandals that are gnawing at the guts of the Republican
party, I doubt that this will come to nothing more than impotent
bluster by fools.
> The second
> effort is at home, where the atheists, secularists and others who fancy
> themselves mini-Stalins, or the Hitlers of their social groups, must drop
> these pretenses and join the over 90% of American Christians who are full on
> board.
Ah, right. Persecution of a minority, forcing them to give up their
beliefs and way of life; grim warnings about traitors in your midst;
elevation of national politics to the level of religious frenzy... You,
and people like you are the Hitlers and Stalins. If totalitarism comes
to America, and it may already be creeping in, it will be
fundamentalist dictatorship, eagerly supported by the eager little
lackeys of tyrants, like yourself.
> Thankfully the rot hasn't spread as extensively as Western Europe,
> where decaying societies in France, the Netherlands and Germany hear the
> ticking clock of demographic cataclysm, and where a clear majority lack any
> adherence to G_d.
Ah. The idea of corrupt, decadent Europe, doomed to die because their
women don't know their place: in the kitchen, popping out little kids
to be indoctrinated in a fundamentalist view of God. This can only come
from the brain of a someone who has never stepped a foot in Europe, nor
read any genuine news.
> Our final showdown may ultimately be with them. But
> whatever the result, we can labor on knowing full well that He is on our
> side, and we follow the course He has charted for us.
The sheer magnitude of your hubris is staggering. What makes you think
that God has chosen your country as His tool? What makes you think that
you know, or care, what God desires of you? What makes you think that
you are any better in God's eyes than the Egyptians or the Assyrians or
the Romans, all of which are condemned in the Bible for their
arrogance, cruelty, greed and lack of compassion.
Think about it.
-- Wakboth
Richard Forrest
All you need to do is search for "Biblical creation" and you'll be
spoiled for choice.
Means the same thing, of course.
RF
Ken Rode
> ... As the airy breezes of secularism,
> etc., etc., ushered forth from the book's dreary passages and infected whole
<snip>
Perhaps you'd care to join us in *this* world, over here. Yours looks
pretty bleak, and something a bit more reality-based might be just what
you need.
Donalbain
Logos wrote:
> If we take a step back and look at what has happened to the world since
> 1859, the publication date of the nefarious Origin, we see something rather
> remarkable. Whole power structures, rationalizations for power grabs, etc,
> built on the edifice of this one book. As the airy breezes of secularism,
> atheism, liberal humanism, post modernism, deconstructionism, reductionism,
> etc., etc., ushered forth from the book's dreary passages and infected whole
> epochs, a new breed of leader ascended thrones throughout the world. To
> name a few: Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Saddam, bin Laden, Lamy, etc.
Hang on, a second, a literalist monotheist fundamentalist who wants to
return the world to the state it was in before the Renaissance, let
alone before the 19th century, is somehow a result of Darwinism? Now
that is news to me, and I am sure would be news to Bin Ladin himself.
> Today, there are lesser despots the world over who are their progeny: Chavez
Sorry, but just because you dont like his policies, does not make
Chavez a despot. He was elected by the people of the country he runs.
> in Venezuala, Ahmadinijad in Iran, the Alawite despots in Syria, Jong Il in
> North Korea and others in Sudan, Bolivia, etc. All these leaders are part
> in parcel born of the same inclinations: Darwinism, and the relief he seems
> to offer in their escape from G_d.
Again, fundamentalist Muslims are Darwinists?
>The genie's out of the bottle, and it
> will be tough to put back in, but the global effort to annhilate this
> invidious rot that threatens our existence and life style is clear: we must
> attack in a two pronged effort, both of which will be messy. The first
> effort is abroad, where we've already started in Iraq and Afghanistan.
> Before you get all bent out of shape about fighting more wars, let me just
> say that not each of these instances will require a full-out war effort and
> occupation. Some may fold under a display of air power. Others may fold
> under economic persuasion. But whatever the case, the back of this movement
> must be broken before it undermines the entire world order. The second
> effort is at home, where the atheists, secularists and others who fancy
> themselves mini-Stalins, or the Hitlers of their social groups, must drop
> these pretenses and join the over 90% of American Christians who are full on
> board.
So, America is a land for only Christians? Never actually read the US
Constitution have you?
Ian H Spedding
>
> thissteve wrote:
> >
> > Logos wrote:
> >
> >>If we take a step back and look at what has happened to the world since
> >>1859,
> >
> >
> > 1859 was, of course, the origin of the Georgia Dental Association
> > (http://www.gadental.org/History.htm), and look at the mess we're in.
> >
> > We must rid the world of the Georgia Dental Association.
> >
> More importantly, 1859 was the date of the publication of the first Self Help
> book (so titled) by Samuel Smiles. All social ills derive from self-help
> books. Even the man's very *name* indicates the vapidness of this movement. It
> has destroyed our community spirit and sapped our moral fibre. We must
> immediately burn all self-help books and ransack every self-help group, no
> matter how they disguise themselves as religions or psychological support
> services.
>
> Act Now! Burn a self help artifact!
Maybe your next project could be to write a book explaining how people
could improve their lot by burning self-help books...
Ian
--
Ian H Spedding
Ian H Spedding
>
> If we take a step back and look at what has happened to the world since
> 1859, the publication date of the nefarious Origin, we see something rather
> remarkable. Whole power structures, rationalizations for power grabs, etc,
> built on the edifice of this one book. As the airy breezes of secularism,
> atheism, liberal humanism, post modernism, deconstructionism, reductionism,
> etc., etc., ushered forth from the book's dreary passages and infected whole
> epochs, a new breed of leader ascended thrones throughout the world. To
> name a few: Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Saddam, bin Laden, Lamy, etc.
So those little red books waved by students during China's Cultural
Revolution were really copies of "Origins"? And "Mein Kampf" was about
the camps Darwin set up on the Galapagos Islands when he was studying
finches beaks? Well! You live and learn!
JPG
Donalbain wrote:
> Logos wrote:
>
> So, America is a land for only Christians? Never actually read the US
> Constitution have you?
>
He probably hasn't even read the bible, except possibly the warm and
fluffy bits in the NT.
More likely, he probably hasn't even read.
er...@swva.net
> thissteve wrote:
> > Logos wrote:
> >
> >>If we take a step back and look at what has happened to the world since
> >>1859,
> >
> >
> > 1859 was, of course, the origin of the Georgia Dental Association
> > (http://www.gadental.org/History.htm), and look at the mess we're in.
> >
> > We must rid the world of the Georgia Dental Association.
> >
> More importantly, 1859 was the date of the publication of the first Self Help
> book (so titled) by Samuel Smiles. All social ills derive from self-help
> books. Even the man's very *name* indicates the vapidness of this movement. It
> has destroyed our community spirit and sapped our moral fibre. We must
> immediately burn all self-help books and ransack every self-help group, no
> matter how they disguise themselves as religions or psychological support
> services.
>
> Act Now! Burn a self help artifact!
Burning is too good for them! We must reshelve them with the UFO
books, right next to the creationism books!
>
> --
> John S. Wilkins, Postdoctoral Research Fellow, Biohumanities Project
> University of Queensland - Blog: evolvethought.blogspot.com
> "Darwin's theory has no more to do with philosophy than any other
> hypothesis in natural science." Tractatus 4.1122
Eric Root
Wakboth
JPG kirjoitti:
> Donalbain wrote:
>
> > Logos wrote:
>
> >
> > So, America is a land for only Christians? Never actually read the US
> > Constitution have you?
> >
>
> He probably hasn't even read the bible, except possibly the warm and
> fluffy bits in the NT.
I disagree. The only part of the Bible that fundies seem to care about
is the Pentateuch, with some attention paid to the Revelation of St.
John.
> More likely, he probably hasn't even read.
And if he has read, he certainly has not understood.
-- Wakboth
Cheezits
> As the
> airy breezes of secularism, atheism, [etc.]
Hey look, he spelled atheism right! :-D
> The first effort is abroad, where we've already
> started in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Such hotbeds of atheism.
Sue
--
"It's not smart or correct, but it's one of the things that
make us what we are." - Red Green
jcon
Logos wrote:
> If we take a step back and look at what has happened to the world since
> 1859, the publication date of the nefarious Origin, we see something rather
> remarkable.
Damn right! The end of slavery, the doubling of the human lifespan,
the eradication of many diseases, electric light, global communication,
Man on the Moon....
I could go on, but why beat a dead horse.
> Whole power structures, rationalizations for power grabs, etc,
> built on the edifice of this one book.
Yes, as amazing as it sounds, absolutely no one cared about power
before 1859.
There were no wars, either. It was paradise, really.
> As the airy breezes of secularism,
> atheism, liberal humanism, post modernism, deconstructionism, reductionism,
> etc., etc., ushered forth from the book's dreary passages and infected whole
> epochs, a new breed of leader ascended thrones throughout the world. To
> name a few: Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Saddam, bin Laden, Lamy, etc.
Lenin, Stalin: atheists
Hitler: religious
Saddam: religious
bin Laden: even more religious than you.
> Today, there are lesser despots the world over who are their progeny: Chavez
> in Venezuala,
I seem to remember a prominent Christian that called to have Chavez
murdered. Maybe I'm mistaken.
> Ahmadinijad in Iran, the Alawite despots in Syria, Jong Il in
> North Korea and others in Sudan, Bolivia, etc. All these leaders are part
> in parcel born of the same inclinations: Darwinism, and the relief he seems
> to offer in their escape from G_d. The genie's out of the bottle, and it
> will be tough to put back in, but the global effort to annhilate this
> invidious rot that threatens our existence and life style is clear: we must
> attack in a two pronged effort, both of which will be messy. The first
> effort is abroad, where we've already started in Iraq and Afghanistan.
> Before you get all bent out of shape about fighting more wars, let me just
> say that not each of these instances will require a full-out war effort and
> occupation. Some may fold under a display of air power. Others may fold
> under economic persuasion. But whatever the case, the back of this movement
> must be broken before it undermines the entire world order. The second
> effort is at home, where the atheists, secularists and others who fancy
> themselves mini-Stalins, or the Hitlers of their social groups, must drop
> these pretenses and join the over 90% of American Christians who are full on
> board. Thankfully the rot hasn't spread as extensively as Western Europe,
> where decaying societies in France, the Netherlands and Germany hear the
> ticking clock of demographic cataclysm, and where a clear majority lack any
> adherence to G_d. Our final showdown may ultimately be with them. But
> whatever the result, we can labor on knowing full well that He is on our
> side, and we follow the course He has charted for us.
Oh, I see, this was a joke. I should have read to the end.
-jc
Stuart
Logos wrote:
<blather rinse repeat>
Did you have any scientific data you wish to discuss?
Stuart
Bob
>If we take a step back and look at what has happened to the world since
>1859,
well, for 1800 years before this, slavery was legal in the christian
world and was banned AFTER darwin published.
the publication date of the nefarious Origin, we see something rather
>remarkable. Whole power structures, rationalizations for power grabs, etc,
>built on the edifice of this one book.
of course, rulers were just, pure and perfect BEFORE this. no
corruption, no persecution, etc...
As the airy breezes of secularism,
>atheism, liberal humanism, post modernism, deconstructionism, reductionism,
>etc., etc., ushered forth from the book's dreary passages and infected whole
>epochs, a new breed of leader ascended thrones throughout the world. To
>name a few: Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Saddam, bin Laden
uh, bin laden is a creationist. before the webite belonging to al
muhajiroun in the UK was taken down, it was a mouthpiece for bin
laden. and it said evolution was a farce....just like you do...and for
the same reason: religion.
, Lamy, etc.
>Today, there are lesser despots the world over who are their progeny: Chavez
>in Venezuala, Ahmadinijad in Iran
ahmadinijad is a religious fanatic...just like you are.
he doesn't even know who is/isn't an atheist. and on this he builds
his creationist mythology.
america's greatest enemy is a monotheistic religoius fanatic.
---------------------------
to see who "wf3h" is, go to "qrz.com"
and enter 'wf3h' in the field
Thurisaz the Einherjer
> If we take a step back and look at what has happened to the world since
> 1859, the publication date of the nefarious Origin
Strange how no one ever killed another "in the name of Darwin". But if you
search for killings "in the name of gawd"...
--
Romans 2:24 revised:
"For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you
cretinists, as it is written on aig."
Robert J. Kolker
> Logos wrote:
>
>>If we take a step back and look at what has happened to the world since
>>1859, the publication date of the nefarious Origin, we see something rather
>>remarkable.
>
>
> Damn right! The end of slavery, the doubling of the human lifespan,
> the eradication of many diseases, electric light, global communication,
> Man on the Moon....
Sounds like a scene from -Monty Python's Life of Brian-.
Bob Kolker
Dale
cringe, and not only for the pompous style, the misspellings, malapropisms,
and illogical sentences.
odin
>>>1859,
>>
>>
>> 1859 was, of course, the origin of the Georgia Dental Association
>> (http://www.gadental.org/History.htm), and look at the mess we're in.
>>
>> We must rid the world of the Georgia Dental Association.
Ridiculous... Dentist make no difference! It was another event in 1859 that
got us into the horrible world wide mess that we find ourselves in today. It
was Bernhard Riemann's publication of the devilishly difficult to prove
'Riemann hypothesis'. This has tormented mankind to the point of such
despair that it resulted in the evils of Pol Pot, Adolph Hitler, and the
Tele Tubbies. Yup... it did... did too... oh yeah? Well... it did so.
jcon
"Well, yes, of course the roads. That goes without saying".
> Bob Kolker
Ernest Major
<ragn...@yahoo.com> writes
Relativity, and everyone would still believe in absolute morality ...
:-)
--
alias Ernest Major
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> If we take a step back and look at what has happened to the world since
> etc., etc., ushered forth from the book's dreary passages and infected whole
> epochs, a new breed of leader ascended thrones throughout the world. To
This is a new low for you: actually claiming that Islamic fundamentalism
(that would be the Iranian and Sudanese governments)is a product of the
Origin of Species. Congratulations.
[snip]
Raymond Griffith
jharshman....@pacbell.net wrote on 11/7/05 4:11 PM:
Well, you went and did it! Now you've given him a challenge. How low can he
go?
Regards,
Raymond E. Griffith
Grace Haliburton
I'm finding it hard to imagine much lower. I'm really, truly trying.
But as far as I can tell, he already hit the lowest point that line of
thought can manage. It's akin to blaming Matt Shepard's murder on MLK's
"I have a dream" speech.
--
-Grace
"Never trust anything that thinks for itself if you can't see where it
keeps its brain." - J.K. Rowling
maff
Logos wrote:
> If we take a step back and look at what has happened to the world since
> 1859, the publication date of the nefarious Origin, we see something rather
> remarkable. Whole power structures, rationalizations for power grabs, etc,
> built on the edifice of this one book. As the airy breezes of secularism,
> atheism, liberal humanism, post modernism, deconstructionism, reductionism,
> etc., etc., ushered forth from the book's dreary passages and infected whole
> epochs, a new breed of leader ascended thrones throughout the world. To
> name a few: Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Saddam, bin Laden, Lamy, etc.
> Today, there are lesser despots the world over who are their progeny: Chavez
> in Venezuala, Ahmadinijad in Iran, the Alawite despots in Syria, Jong Il in
> in parcel born of the same inclinations: Darwinism, and the relief he seems
> to offer in their escape from G_d. The genie's out of the bottle, and it
> will be tough to put back in, but the global effort to annhilate this
> invidious rot that threatens our existence and life style is clear: we must
> attack in a two pronged effort, both of which will be messy. The first
> effort is abroad, where we've already started in Iraq and Afghanistan.
> Before you get all bent out of shape about fighting more wars, let me just
> say that not each of these instances will require a full-out war effort and
> occupation. Some may fold under a display of air power. Others may fold
> under economic persuasion. But whatever the case, the back of this movement
> must be broken before it undermines the entire world order. The second
> effort is at home, where the atheists, secularists and others who fancy
> themselves mini-Stalins, or the Hitlers of their social groups, must drop
> these pretenses and join the over 90% of American Christians who are full on
> board. Thankfully the rot hasn't spread as extensively as Western Europe,
> where decaying societies in France, the Netherlands and Germany hear the
> ticking clock of demographic cataclysm, and where a clear majority lack any
> adherence to G_d. Our final showdown may ultimately be with them. But
> whatever the result, we can labor on knowing full well that He is on our
> side, and we follow the course He has charted for us.
"My correspondent thinks with Mr. Jefferson, that Jehovah has no
attributes that will harmonize with slavery; and that all men are born
free and equal. Now, I say let him throw away his Bible as Mr.
Jefferson did his and then they will be fit companions. But never
disgrace the Bible by making Mr. Jefferson its expounder, nor Mr.
Jefferson by deriving his sentiments from it. Mr. Jefferson did not
bow to the authority of the Bible, and on this subject I do not bow to
him."
[Rev. Thornton Stringfellow, D.D., in "Scriptural View of Slavery," a
work showing that the Bible sanctions slavery, from John E. Remsburg,
"Six Historic Americans. Chapter 2: Thomas Jefferson"]
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/john_remsburg/six_historic_americans/chapter_2.html
"[Slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God...it is
sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to
Revelation...it has existed in all ages, has been found among the
people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest
proficiency in the arts." Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate
States of America. 1,2
"The right of holding slaves is clearly established in the Holy
Scriptures, both by precept and example."
[Rev. R. Furman, D.D., Baptist, of South Carolina]
"There is not one verse in the Bible inhibiting slavery, but many
regulating it. It is not then, we conclude, immoral."
[Rev. Alexander Campbell]
"The extracts from Holy Writ unequivocally assert the right of property
in slaves."
[Rev. E.D. Simms, professor, Randolph-Macon College]
"I draw my warrant from the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments to
hold the slave in bondage."
[Rev. Thomas Witherspoon, Presbyterian, of Alabama]
"In another area of human rights, many Christian clergymen advocated
slavery. Historian Larry Hise notes in his book 'Pro-Slavery' that
ministers 'wrote almost half of all defenses of slavery published in
America.' He lists 275 men of the cloth who used the Bible to prove
that white people were entitled to own black people as work animals."
[James A. Haught, 'Holy Horrors']
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0879755784/
"The delegates of the annual conference are decidedly opposed to modern
abolitionism, and wholly disclaim any right, wish, or intention to
interfere in the civil and political relation between master and slave
in the slave-holding states of the union."
[Methodist Episcopal Church, Statement of the General Conference,
Cincinnati, May 1836]
"The hope of civilization itself hangs on the defeat of Negro
suffrage." A statement by a prominent 19th-century southern
Presbyterian pastor, cited by Rev. Jack Rogers, moderator of the
Presbyterian Church (USA).
"The doom of Ham has been branded on the form and features of his
African descendants. The hand of fate has united his color and destiny.
Man cannot separate what God hath joined." United States Senator James
Henry Hammond. 3
Slavery, lynchings, segregation and the Bible
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db2052e7179dc5ba
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_slav.htm
http://www.multiracial.com/projects/hallofshame.html
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_mar3.htm
http://www.webcom.com/~intvoice/add_site.html
Slavery
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/a6d7b3c58b27ec8a
http://dir.yahoo.com/Arts/Humanities/History/U_S__History/By_Subject/Slavery/
Lynchings
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/0c39830ed0a6351f
Segregation
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/db8c04b968993168
Jim Crow
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.atheism/msg/0a65180b294f734c
John Harshman
Limbo! Limbo!
Cheezits
[rerun deleted]
Ah come on, I want some new material! This one was boring anyway.