Narcissistic Personality Disorder
VoiceOfReason
of stuff I read here in T.O. A review of the traits of Narcissistic
Personality Disorder (sometimes called the God complex) certainly
reminds me of a few posters I've seen here through the years.
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A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for
admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and
present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of
the following:
1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates
achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without
commensurate achievements)
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power,
brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be
understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status
people (or institutions)
4. requires excessive admiration
5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of
especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her
expectations
6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others
to achieve his or her own ends
7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the
feelings and needs of others
8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him
or her
9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
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Greg G.
These read like traits of politicians.
Boikat
> of stuff I read here in T.O. A review of the traits of Narcissistic
> Personality Disorder (sometimes called the God complex) certainly
> reminds me of a few posters I've seen here through the years.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for
> admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and
> present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of
> the following:
>
> 1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates
> achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without
> commensurate achievements)
Like ASS-i(diot)'s frequent attempts to portray himself as "prophet".
> 2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power,
> brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
Scratch the "beauty and love", ASS-I(diot) ha only admitted to two or
three mistakes (after having his errors rammed up his ass), In his
mind, all his other posted claims stand undamaged.
> 3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be
> understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status
> people (or institutions)
ASS-I(diot) has "created genes". and not "evolved ape genes", he said
so himself, not to mention his claims of superior "perceptive"
abilities, which allows him to "perceive" ...something.
> 4. requires excessive admiration
Replace "admiration" with "attention. ASS-I(diot) is an attention
whore, no doubt about it.
> 5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of
> especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her
> expectations
I suppose ASS-I(diot's) insistance that everyone else is a "k0ok" sine
they don't accept his idiocies may fall into that heading.
> 6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others
> to achieve his or her own ends
Unknown.
> 7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the
> feelings and needs of others
unknown.
> 8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him
> or her
ASS-I(diot') expressed disdane for those with "book learnin'" may be a
sign of that.
> 9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
ASS-I(diot), perfectly discribed.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
>
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Boikat
Steven L.
Unfortunately, too many evolutionist scientists display traits like (1),
(3), (7), and especially (9). Which hinders acceptance of evolution by
the non-public.
To borrow a phrase from Orwell's "1984," scientists see themselves as
part of America's "Inner Party." And they have nothing but contempt for
the non-scientist public--the proletariat--out there.
In "The Demon Haunted World," Carl Sagan recounted how some of his
fellow scientists regarded his attempts at popularizing science as
"collaborating with the enemy," he said.
Not all are like that. I met some of the scientists working on FlyBase
once, and they just loved to talk with non-scientists about their work.
But there is this paranoia I see from some evolutionists about living
and working in a mostly religious society. As if an American
Inquisition could begin at any moment.
America was no less religious 70 years ago. Back then, prayer in public
schools was common; the courts hadn't yet ruled on such things. And yet
America welcomed scientists from Europe who fled Nazi tyranny to come
here. They found both freedom and support for their research, and they
were glad to be here. Not like too many of today's evolutionists,
driven by atheism, who never express anything but contempt for the
country they were born in.
--
Steven L.
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Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
All-Seeing-I
The louder you squeel, the more I know that I am right and that you
are wrong and that you know that you are wrong.
It's ok. The lurkers find you most entertaining.
Boikat
Or, then again, you could be wrong. But see above, your reply falls
under number 1, 2, 4, and 9.
As to the "squealing mean you're right" idiocy, that's just that:
Idiocy. Your ignorant claims have all been refuted by virtually
everyone that addresses them.
>
> It's ok. The lurkers find you most entertaining.-
I'm sure they do. But due to your arrogance, you probably do not
understand why.
Boikat
Mike Dworetsky
Pot.Kettle.Black.
The last thing the (mostly Jewish) refugees from the Nazis might need is
someone preaching creationist Christianity at them.
--
Mike Dworetsky
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gregwrld
Most scientists don't have time to waste on
ignorant fools who can't peel their noses out
of their "holy" books to actually learn something.
That includes scientists who are religious believers
who view fundies, rightly, as deliberately self-
deluded morons.
You're just tossing tea-bags.
gregwrld
>
> America was no less religious 70 years ago. Back then, prayer in public
> schools was common; the courts hadn't yet ruled on such things. And yet
> America welcomed scientists from Europe who fled Nazi tyranny to come
> here. They found both freedom and support for their research, and they
> were glad to be here. Not like too many of today's evolutionists,
> driven by atheism, who never express anything but contempt for the
> country they were born in.
>
> --
> Steven L.
> Email: sdlit...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Ye Old One
>The louder you squeel, the more I know that you are right and that I
>are wrong and that you know that I was wrong.
>
>It's ok. The lurkers find me most entertaining.
Corrected.
--
Bob.
You have not been charged for this lesson - learn from it rather than
continuing to make a fool of yourself.
heekster
That is both childish and absurd.
>It's ok. The lurkers find you most entertaining.
What would you know of the opinions of any lurkers?
They watch you get your ass handed to you several times a day.
VoiceOfReason
1 - A PhD is most definitely a significant achievement, so that
doesn't apply. Look at the inordinate self-importance of some of the
loonier ones here, like Ray or Tony.
3 - People with advanced educations tend to mingle better with others
of similar education. Bleating by uneducated creationists certainly
highlights that difference.
7 - Lack of empathy? Wide brush, unsupported assertion.
9 - Arrogance? I'm sure their knowledge within their area of expertise
might strike uneducated creationists as such, but that's their own
insecurity talking as much as anything.
> To borrow a phrase from Orwell's "1984," scientists see themselves as
> part of America's "Inner Party." And they have nothing but contempt for
> the non-scientist public--the proletariat--out there.
Wide brush, unsupported assertion.
> In "The Demon Haunted World," Carl Sagan recounted how some of his
> fellow scientists regarded his attempts at popularizing science as
> "collaborating with the enemy," he said.
>
> Not all are like that. I met some of the scientists working on FlyBase
> once, and they just loved to talk with non-scientists about their work.
>
> But there is this paranoia I see from some evolutionists about living
> and working in a mostly religious society. As if an American
> Inquisition could begin at any moment.
The politicization of religion and paying lip service to the loons is
certainly a worrisome trend in American politics. It's driven the
Republican party into a vicious spiral of chasing away all the
moderates.
Or, in the prophetic words of Barry Goldwater:
"I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson
and others who are trying to take the Republican Party away from the
Republican Party, and make a religious organization out of it. If that
ever happens, kiss politics goodbye."
> America was no less religious 70 years ago. Back then, prayer in public
> schools was common; the courts hadn't yet ruled on such things. And yet
> America welcomed scientists from Europe who fled Nazi tyranny to come
> here. They found both freedom and support for their research, and they
> were glad to be here. Not like too many of today's evolutionists,
> driven by atheism, who never express anything but contempt for the
> country they were born in.
Again, wide brush, unsupported assertion.
heekster
"driven by atheism"?
Got any cites for that?
Desertphile
<papa...@cybertown.com> wrote:
> A discussion on YouTube really rang a few bells for some of the type
> of stuff I read here in T.O. A review of the traits of Narcissistic
> Personality Disorder (sometimes called the God complex) certainly
> reminds me of a few posters I've seen here through the years.
FactVsReligion's "Spot The Twat"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iihNHQykKw
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for
> admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and
> present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of
> the following:
>
> 1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates
> achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without
> commensurate achievements)
Rev Kent Hovind.
> 2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power,
> brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
Rev Kent Hovind.
> 3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be
> understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status
> people (or institutions)
Rev Kent Hovind.
> 4. requires excessive admiration
Rev Kent Hovind.
> 5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of
> especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her
> expectations
Rev Kent Hovind.
> 6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others
> to achieve his or her own ends
Rev Kent Hovind.
> 7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the
> feelings and needs of others
Rev Kent Hovind.
> 8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him
> or her
Rev Kent Hovind.
> 9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
Rev Kent Hovind.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
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Ron O
Geez, who'd thunk it, but scientists are a diverse population of human
beings.
>
> To borrow a phrase from Orwell's "1984," scientists see themselves as
> part of America's "Inner Party." And they have nothing but contempt for
> the non-scientist public--the proletariat--out there.
This tells me that you don't know many scientists.
>
> In "The Demon Haunted World," Carl Sagan recounted how some of his
> fellow scientists regarded his attempts at popularizing science as
> "collaborating with the enemy," he said.
Some, I like Sagan and always appreciated his science programs. I'm
not alone and probably not even in the minority of scientists. If
anything most scientists associated with Universities would like to be
more like Sagan. It would go a long way in helping with the teaching
requirement.
>
> Not all are like that. I met some of the scientists working on FlyBase
> once, and they just loved to talk with non-scientists about their work.
>
> But there is this paranoia I see from some evolutionists about living
> and working in a mostly religious society. As if an American
> Inquisition could begin at any moment.
It will only happen if the good let the bad get their way. Most of us
have enough faith in our fellow man to not be too worried about an
American Inquisition, but we aren't stupid enough to sit by and let it
happen.
>
> America was no less religious 70 years ago. Back then, prayer in public
> schools was common; the courts hadn't yet ruled on such things. And yet
> America welcomed scientists from Europe who fled Nazi tyranny to come
> here. They found both freedom and support for their research, and they
> were glad to be here. Not like too many of today's evolutionists,
> driven by atheism, who never express anything but contempt for the
> country they were born in.
Could be a little projection here, in acting out against how this
country has changed, and mostly for the better. Even you should
acknowledge that. One of the best things that they did was outlaw
school prayer because in made a mockery of the religions that it was
supposed to support. You can't force people to pray, and when you do
all you get are drones mouthing the words. At my schools they stopped
reciting the Pledge of Allegiance sometime around High School. You
could see why it is a losing proposition to keep doing it by listening
to elementary school kids that can't even get the words right.
Ron Okimoto
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> Steven L.
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Eric Root
Holy cow! Do you really think there exists a significant number of
scientists shoare "driven" by atheism? And you can actually point to
them expressing contempt for America?
> --
> Steven L.
> Email: sdlit...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
VoiceOfReason
Desertphile wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:05:48 -0800 (PST), VoiceOfReason
> <papa...@cybertown.com> wrote:
>
> > A discussion on YouTube really rang a few bells for some of the type
> > of stuff I read here in T.O. A review of the traits of Narcissistic
> > Personality Disorder (sometimes called the God complex) certainly
> > reminds me of a few posters I've seen here through the years.
>
> FactVsReligion's "Spot The Twat"
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iihNHQykKw
Yep, that's the very one.
Hovind's definitely the best example, but he's hardly alone.
Mike Lyle
>>
>> America was no less religious 70 years ago. Back then, prayer in
>> public schools was common; the courts hadn't yet ruled on such
>> things. And yet America welcomed scientists from Europe who fled
>> Nazi tyranny to come here. They found both freedom and support for
>> their research, and they were glad to be here. Not like too many of
>> today's evolutionists, driven by atheism, who never express anything
>> but contempt for the country they were born in.
>>
>
> Holy cow! Do you really think there exists a significant number of
> scientists shoare "driven" by atheism? And you can actually point to
> them expressing contempt for America?
>
America" line is something I'd associate with the dumbest
Republicans --a hell of a lot dumber than Steven.
Oh, and I hope we aren't intended to infer that liberals,
non-Christians, and all the other UnAmericans didn't oppose Fascism...
--
Mike.
bpuharic
<allse...@usa.com> wrote:
>
>The louder you squeel, the more I know that I am right and that you
>are wrong and that you know that you are wrong.
>
>It's ok. The lurkers find you most entertaining.
interesting. his view is that he doesn't suffer from this because
1. he speaks the Truth
2. he speaks for the lurkers
3. he speaks for the ancient text writers
and...oh yeah....he speaks for god.
nope. no narcissism there at all.
Mike Lyle
[...]
>>
> That worried me, too. The "If you don't support me, you must hate
> America" line is something I'd associate with the dumbest
> Republicans --a hell of a lot dumber than Steven.
Damn! I didn't mean to imply that Steven is dumb at all, of course.
[...]
--
Mike.
Cory Albrecht
> A discussion on YouTube really rang a few bells for some of the type
> of stuff I read here in T.O. A review of the traits of Narcissistic
> Personality Disorder (sometimes called the God complex) certainly
> reminds me of a few posters I've seen here through the years.
To be fair, I'm sure that we can find many of these attribute in some of
the pro-science posters as well as the science deniers.
God only knows what you lot think of me behind my back! :-)
Cory Albrecht
> The louder you squeel, the more I know that I am right and that you
> are wrong and that you know that you are wrong.
And just what, pray tell, do you think the lurkers think about others
pointing out when you've brought up items for which you've already had
your ass handed back to you on a platter, yet you bring up the same
things as if they were new?
> It's ok. The lurkers find you most entertaining.
I'm betting that the lurkers find it interesting that you are wrong and
that you know you are wrong.
Occasionally you show a glimmer of hope. For example, you're one of very
few creationists who seems to have a sense of humour and can recognize
sarcasm. That puts you light-years ahead of people like Ray, Pagano,
Gabriel or Andrew.
Pity that glimmer always stays so dim.
Ernest Major
<coryal...@hotmail.com> writes
>VoiceOfReason wrote, on 09-11-29 06:05 AM:
>> A discussion on YouTube really rang a few bells for some of the type
>> of stuff I read here in T.O. A review of the traits of Narcissistic
>> Personality Disorder (sometimes called the God complex) certainly
>> reminds me of a few posters I've seen here through the years.
>
>To be fair, I'm sure that we can find many of these attribute in some
>of the pro-science posters as well as the science deniers.
>
>God only knows what you lot think of me behind my back! :-)
>
Disorder is restricted to the creationists (there's at least one atheist
here I would suspect of possessing the syndrome).
Also, narcissism is not the only personality disorder on display.
There's several posters who seem to post for the pleasure of being
arseholes.
--
alias Ernest Major
Mephistopheles
>
> The louder you squeel, the more I know that I am right and that you
> are wrong and that you know that you are wrong.
>
> It's ok. The lurkers find you most entertaining.
As an official lurker on this group for about a month now, I must
respectfully ask that you refrain from presuming to speak for me.
While, indeed, I do find Boikat's posts entertaining, it is actually
your posts I find hold the most entertainment value. As I said, I've
been coming here for a little over a month, and I've come to
anticipate, with great relish, a new post by the great All-Seeing-I.
Your posts are utterly breathtaking at times. Your skill at
manipulation amazes me. The way you exercise seemingly complete
control over your threads, maneuvering the rest of the group into
behaving precisely the way you desire is nothing more than brilliant.
The way you skillfully weave together a straw man, which to the
uneducated would seem amazingly truthful, and then allow it to be torn
down in exactly you planned completely blows me away. And then your
little pokes and jabs here and there push the conversation in exactly
the direction you want. I have never seen its equal. I gather that
your previous moniker on this little group was "Adman". It fits
perfectly. Obviously, you've previously been employed in marketing.
With your skills at manipulation, you must have been the best at your
game. I salute you and your skills, oh great All-Seeing-I.
Unless, of course, you actually believe the tripe you spout.....then
you're just an raving imbecile.
M
hersheyh
It is impossible to parody a creationist without going recursive.
Walter Bushell
Ernest Major <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <p99eu6x...@fenris.cjb.net>, Cory Albrecht
> <coryal...@hotmail.com> writes
> >VoiceOfReason wrote, on 09-11-29 06:05 AM:
> >> A discussion on YouTube really rang a few bells for some of the type
> >> of stuff I read here in T.O. A review of the traits of Narcissistic
> >> Personality Disorder (sometimes called the God complex) certainly
> >> reminds me of a few posters I've seen here through the years.
> >
> >To be fair, I'm sure that we can find many of these attribute in some
> >of the pro-science posters as well as the science deniers.
> >
> >God only knows what you lot think of me behind my back! :-)
> >
> Voice of Reason did refrain from alleging that Narcissistic Personal
> Disorder is restricted to the creationists (there's at least one atheist
> here I would suspect of possessing the syndrome).
Me perhaps?
>
> Also, narcissism is not the only personality disorder on display.
> There's several posters who seem to post for the pleasure of being
> arseholes.
--
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Ernest Major
<pr...@panix.com> writes
>In article <vlqvSXUb...@meden.invalid>,
> Ernest Major <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message <p99eu6x...@fenris.cjb.net>, Cory Albrecht
>> <coryal...@hotmail.com> writes
>> >VoiceOfReason wrote, on 09-11-29 06:05 AM:
>> >> A discussion on YouTube really rang a few bells for some of the type
>> >> of stuff I read here in T.O. A review of the traits of Narcissistic
>> >> Personality Disorder (sometimes called the God complex) certainly
>> >> reminds me of a few posters I've seen here through the years.
>> >
>> >To be fair, I'm sure that we can find many of these attribute in some
>> >of the pro-science posters as well as the science deniers.
>> >
>> >God only knows what you lot think of me behind my back! :-)
>> >
>> Voice of Reason did refrain from alleging that Narcissistic Personal
>> Disorder is restricted to the creationists (there's at least one atheist
>> here I would suspect of possessing the syndrome).
>
>Me perhaps?
I didn't know you were an atheist, and I haven't seen a pattern in your
relatively infrequent posts suggesting NPD. A belief that the world is
an illusion is insufficient for a diagnosis of NPD.
>
>>
>> Also, narcissism is not the only personality disorder on display.
>> There's several posters who seem to post for the pleasure of being
>> arseholes.
>
--
alias Ernest Major
Walter Bushell
Hmm, and I specifically avoided solipsism, to boot.
My belief is very similar to some strains of Hindu theology at the base.
Ernest Major
And I specifically avoid mentioning solipsism as well.
>
>My belief is very similar to some strains of Hindu theology at the base.
>
--
alias Ernest Major
Walter Bushell
Heinlein referred to his philosophy or that of his books anyway as multi
ego solipsism. It seem very similar to my modest proposal.