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wf3h  
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 More options Mar 10 2009, 12:54 pm
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From: wf3h <w...@vsswireless.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 09:54:26 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Mar 10 2009 12:54 pm
Subject: religious belief by age
looks like younger americans have grown tired of the right wing
paranoia over the last 30 years:

http://secularright.org/wordpress/?p=1718


 
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[M]adman  
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 More options Mar 10 2009, 4:36 pm
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From: "[M]adman" <g...@hotmail.et>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:36:24 -0500
Local: Tues, Mar 10 2009 4:36 pm
Subject: Re: religious belief by age

wf3h wrote:
> looks like younger americans have grown tired of the right wing
> paranoia over the last 30 years:

> http://secularright.org/wordpress/?p=1718

And as they get older they become aware of their moritality. The smart ones
turn back to God.

 
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Burkhard  
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 More options Mar 10 2009, 4:58 pm
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From: Burkhard <b.scha...@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:58:22 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Mar 10 2009 4:58 pm
Subject: Re: religious belief by age
On 10 Mar, 20:36, "[M]adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:

> wf3h wrote:
> > looks like younger americans have grown tired of the right wing
> > paranoia over the last 30 years:

> >http://secularright.org/wordpress/?p=1718

> And as they get older they become aware of their moritality. The smart ones
> turn back to God.

You mean religion reigns through fear alone? How depressing!

 
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'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank  
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 More options Mar 10 2009, 6:14 pm
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From: "'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank" <lfl...@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:14:58 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Mar 10 2009 6:14 pm
Subject: Re: religious belief by age
On Mar 10, 12:54 pm, wf3h <w...@vsswireless.net> wrote:

> looks like younger americans have grown tired of the right wing
> paranoia over the last 30 years:

> http://secularright.org/wordpress/?p=1718

Neither the Republican Party nor the Religious Right can live without
each other.  And both are in serious decline amongst the younger
generation.

One wonders which is the cause of rejection of the other one -- or
whether it's just a rejection of "conservatism" in toto.

================================================
Lenny Flank
"There are no loose threads in the web of life"

Editor, Red and Black Publishers
http://www.RedandBlackPublishers.com


 
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f...@verizon.net  
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 More options Mar 10 2009, 8:17 pm
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From: f...@verizon.net
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:17:40 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Mar 10 2009 8:17 pm
Subject: Re: religious belief by age
On Mar 10, 4:36 pm, "[M]adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:

> wf3h wrote:
> > looks like younger americans have grown tired of the right wing
> > paranoia over the last 30 years:

> >http://secularright.org/wordpress/?p=1718

> And as they get older they become aware of their moritality. The smart ones
> turn back to God.

I did. But given the choices of that poll, I'd still have to choose
"none." Dawkins will become a Christian before I do.

 
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wf3h  
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 More options Mar 10 2009, 8:43 pm
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From: wf3h <w...@vsswireless.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:43:20 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Mar 10 2009 8:43 pm
Subject: Re: religious belief by age
On Mar 10, 4:36 pm, "[M]adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:

> wf3h wrote:
> > looks like younger americans have grown tired of the right wing
> > paranoia over the last 30 years:

> >http://secularright.org/wordpress/?p=1718

> And as they get older they become aware of their moritality. The smart ones
> turn back to God.

doesn't seem to be the case unless you think being bribed is a reason
to believe in god

you creationists are a cheap bunch of bastards aren't you?


 
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Cory Albrecht  
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 More options Mar 10 2009, 9:46 pm
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From: Cory Albrecht <coryalbre...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:46:43 -0400
Local: Tues, Mar 10 2009 9:46 pm
Subject: Re: religious belief by age
[M]adman wrote, on 2009-03-10 16:36:

> wf3h wrote:
>> looks like younger americans have grown tired of the right wing
>> paranoia over the last 30 years:

>> http://secularright.org/wordpress/?p=1718
> And as they get older they become aware of their moritality. The smart ones
> turn back to God.

Talk about an unsubstantiated and completely unwarranted conclusion.

You can only make a claim like that if this data showed the changes of a
group over time. In other words, you'd need the same people asked the
same question at multiple point in their life, something which this
study did not do. The 60 year olds are completely different people than
the 20 year olds, and you have no idea how religious those 60 year olds
were when they were 20.

Yet more evidence that you do not understand how science and research works.


 
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Ye Old One  
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 More options Mar 11 2009, 10:24 am
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From: Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net>
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:24:30 GMT
Local: Wed, Mar 11 2009 10:24 am
Subject: Re: religious belief by age
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:36:24 -0500, "[M]adman" <g...@hotmail.et>
enriched this group when s/he wrote:

>wf3h wrote:
>> looks like younger americans have grown tired of the right wing
>> paranoia over the last 30 years:

>> http://secularright.org/wordpress/?p=1718

>And as they get older they become aware of their moritality. The smart ones
>turn back to God.

The smart ones know that gods are the invention of man.

--
Bob.


 
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Brian Henderson  
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 More options Mar 12 2009, 11:08 am
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From: Brian Henderson <BrianL.Hender...@NOSPAM.verizon.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:08:59 GMT
Local: Thurs, Mar 12 2009 11:08 am
Subject: Re: religious belief by age

[M]adman wrote:
> wf3h wrote:
>> looks like younger americans have grown tired of the right wing
>> paranoia over the last 30 years:

>> http://secularright.org/wordpress/?p=1718

> And as they get older they become aware of their moritality. The smart ones
> turn back to God.

No, the smart ones accept the reality that death is a natural part of
life rather than turning to a comforting fantasy.  People die.  That's
all there is to it.  You can either accept it and live your life like
every minute matters or you can fight it and embrace a religious lie and
waste the only life you have.

Either way, you're still going to die.

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Religion is irrational, illogical insanity.  Stop the madness!


 
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Brian Henderson  
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 More options Mar 12 2009, 11:14 am
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From: Brian Henderson <BrianL.Hender...@NOSPAM.verizon.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:14:55 GMT
Local: Thurs, Mar 12 2009 11:14 am
Subject: Re: religious belief by age
'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank wrote:

> Neither the Republican Party nor the Religious Right can live without
> each other.  And both are in serious decline amongst the younger
> generation.

Sure they can, the Republicans did just fine without all the religious
trappings before the 70s.  What happened is the Southern Democrats
escaped to the Republican party in the wake of desegregation and Roe v.
Wade and took their idiotic religious beliefs with them.  What we've
seen is a calculated attempt to force a particular religious bent on the
American people through the political process.  The Republican Party
isn't Republican anymore, it doesn't stand for any of the things that it
traditionally did like fiscal responsibility, small government and
minimal government interference in your life.  In fact, the Republicans
look a lot more like Democrats in their methodology than they do like
traditional Republicans.

The Republican party can certainly survive without the Religious Right,
in fact it's high time they return to actual conservative values and
jettison the former Southern Democrats entirely.

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Burkhard  
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 More options Mar 18 2009, 7:08 am
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From: Burkhard <b.scha...@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:08:08 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Mar 18 2009 7:08 am
Subject: Re: religious belief by age
On 10 Mar, 20:36, "[M]adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:

> wf3h wrote:
> > looks like younger americans have grown tired of the right wing
> > paranoia over the last 30 years:

> >http://secularright.org/wordpress/?p=1718

> And as they get older they become aware of their moritality. The smart ones
> turn back to God.

Interesting finding in this respect - the more pious you are, the less
willing you seem to meet your maker:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7949111.stm


 
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Burkhard  
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 More options Mar 18 2009, 7:16 am
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From: Burkhard <b.scha...@ed.ac.uk>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:16:13 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Mar 18 2009 7:16 am
Subject: Re: religious belief by age
On 18 Mar, 11:08, Burkhard <b.scha...@ed.ac.uk> wrote:

> On 10 Mar, 20:36, "[M]adman" <g...@hotmail.et> wrote:

> > wf3h wrote:
> > > looks like younger americans have grown tired of the right wing
> > > paranoia over the last 30 years:

> > >http://secularright.org/wordpress/?p=1718

> > And as they get older they become aware of their moritality. The smart ones
> > turn back to God.

> Interesting finding in this respect - the more pious you are, the less
> willing you seem to meet your maker:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7949111.stm

and here the proper cite;

Andrea C. Phelps, MD; Paul K. Maciejewski, PhD; Matthew Nilsson, BS;
Tracy A. Balboni, MD; Alexi A. Wright, MD; M. Elizabeth Paulk, MD;
Elizabeth Trice, MD, PhD; Deborah Schrag, MD, MPH; John R. Peteet, MD;
Susan D. Block, MD; Holly G. Prigerson, PhD: Religious Coping and Use
of Intensive Life-Prolonging Care Near Death in Patients With Advanced
Cancer. JAMA. 2009;301(11):1140-1147.

with an abstract here:
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/301/11/1140


 
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Friar Broccoli  
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 More options Mar 18 2009, 7:41 am
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From: Friar Broccoli <Elia...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:41:46 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Mar 18 2009 7:41 am
Subject: Re: religious belief by age
On Mar 10, 6:14 pm, "'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank" <lfl...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Mar 10, 12:54 pm, wf3h <w...@vsswireless.net> wrote:

> > looks like younger americans have grown tired of the right wing
> > paranoia over the last 30 years:

> >http://secularright.org/wordpress/?p=1718

> Neither the Republican Party nor the Religious Right can live without
> each other.  And both are in serious decline amongst the younger
> generation.

Hasn't religion ALWAYS been in serious decline amongst the younger
generation?  It certainly was when I was young.  Did CIA death squads
go out and shot all the atheists from my generation?

 
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 More options Mar 18 2009, 2:36 pm
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From: "Mike Painter" <mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:36:45 -0700
Local: Wed, Mar 18 2009 2:36 pm
Subject: Re: religious belief by age

Certainly and many do turn back as they age.
But the return for most never seems to get back to the original point.
The beliefs are a little less rigid, the dress code a little less formal,
the women and children treated a little more like humans.
Thier gods are a little more abstract.

"In olden days, a glimpse of stockings
was looked on as somethng shocking"

is true.


 
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Walter Bushell  
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 More options Mar 21 2009, 7:57 pm
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From: Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:57:06 -0400
Local: Sat, Mar 21 2009 7:57 pm
Subject: Re: religious belief by age
In article <fA9ul.2636$gm6....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
 Brian Henderson <BrianL.Hender...@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote:

> No, the smart ones accept the reality that death is a natural part of
> life rather than turning to a comforting fantasy.  People die.  That's
> all there is to it.  You can either accept it and live your life like
> every minute matters or you can fight it and embrace a religious lie and
> waste the only life you have.

> Either way, you're still going to die.

I was reading an article that said > Religious Patients More Likely to
Seek Intensive Life-Prolonging Treatment

<http://jewishbreakingnews.wordpress.com/2009/03/17/religious-patients-mo
re-likely-to-seek-intensive-life-prolonging-treatment/>

My take is the more religious are more afraid of dying, I mean, if you
are thinking you may end up in eternal torment you would want to delay
the event. Or maybe those who are religious are religious because they
are afraid of death.


 
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Walter Bushell  
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 More options Mar 21 2009, 8:00 pm
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From: Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:00:14 -0400
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Subject: Re: religious belief by age
In article <PF9ul.2637$gm6....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
 Brian Henderson <BrianL.Hender...@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote:

> The Republican party can certainly survive without the Religious Right,

I doubt that. That's the majority of their support and their current
office holders need that support.


 
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 More options Mar 21 2009, 8:32 pm
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From: Frank J <f...@verizon.net>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:32:28 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: religious belief by age
On Mar 21, 8:00 pm, Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com> wrote:

> In article <PF9ul.2637$gm6....@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
>  Brian Henderson <BrianL.Hender...@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote:

> > The Republican party can certainly survive without the Religious Right,

> I doubt that. That's the majority of their support and their current
> office holders need that support.

Sadly, yes. But I do hope for a time when the RR votes for Republican
politicians because they're the "lesser of 2 evils" (as I now often
do) instead of the pathetic panderers that they are.


 
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Walter Bushell  
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 More options Mar 21 2009, 11:06 pm
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From: Walter Bushell <pr...@panix.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:06:09 -0400
Local: Sat, Mar 21 2009 11:06 pm
Subject: Re: religious belief by age
In article
<ba3fb2d3-a5c5-4ddd-b0f5-d3e387021...@c9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
 Frank J <f...@verizon.net> wrote:

> Sadly, yes. But I do hope for a time when the RR votes for Republican
> politicians because they're the "lesser of 2 evils" (as I now often
> do) instead of the pathetic panderers that they are.

Vote Cthulhu! Why settle for the lesser evil?

 
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