[Moderator Post] Filtering [M]adman
David Iain Greig
posts with the prefix 'madman-', I have extended this admirable
functionality to all posts by his new nym as well.
Henceforth all readers able to filter on the Message-ID: header
can simply drop all posts containing the pattern 'madman-' from
showing up.
Further, if you are able to filter on the References: header,
then filtering out all articles with the pattern 'madman-' in them
will remove not only posts by him, but *all replies thereto*,
eradicating entire threads and letting the concerned reader
more or less forget that (M)adman exists. Bliss shall indeed be
thine.
--D. 'no need to thank me, it's a pleasure'
--
david iain greig dgr...@ediacara.org
moderator, talk.origins sp4 kox
http://www.ediacara.org/~dgreig arbor plena alouattarum
David Hare-Scott
> Insofar as I previously was tagging all Message-IDs of (M)adman's
> posts with the prefix 'madman-', I have extended this admirable
> functionality to all posts by his new nym as well.
>
> Henceforth all readers able to filter on the Message-ID: header
> can simply drop all posts containing the pattern 'madman-' from
> showing up.
>
> Further, if you are able to filter on the References: header,
> then filtering out all articles with the pattern 'madman-' in them
> will remove not only posts by him, but *all replies thereto*,
> eradicating entire threads and letting the concerned reader
> more or less forget that (M)adman exists. Bliss shall indeed be
> thine.
>
I have longed for this for years. Which newsreaders are capable of this
level of filtering?
David
J.J. O'Shea
(in article <hi5k2o$cu3$1...@news.albasani.net>):
A fairly substantial number of them. MT-Newswatcher and Hogwasher on Macs,
for certain, and Forte Agent on Windows almost certainly are among them.
Unfortunately you use MSOE, whose filtering abilities are best described as
'sorely lacking'.
--
email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
Frank J
> Insofar as I previously was tagging all Message-IDs of (M)adman's
> posts with the prefix 'madman-', I have extended this admirable
> functionality to all posts by his new nym as well.
>
> Henceforth all readers able to filter on the Message-ID: header
> can simply drop all posts containing the pattern 'madman-' from
> showing up. �
>
> Further, if you are able to filter on the References: header,
> then filtering out all articles with the pattern 'madman-' in them
> will remove not only posts by him, but *all replies thereto*,
> eradicating entire threads and letting the concerned reader
> more or less forget that (M)adman exists. � Bliss shall indeed be
> thine.
>
> --D. 'no need to thank me, it's a pleasure'
I'd really thank you if you limited the # of threads anyone can start
(e.g. one per day). Nearly all "evolutionists" and most "anti-
evolutonists" would consider that reasonable.
>
> --
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Mike Lyle
>>
>> --D. 'no need to thank me, it's a pleasure'
>
> I'd really thank you if you limited the # of threads anyone can start
> (e.g. one per day). Nearly all "evolutionists" and most "anti-
> evolutonists" would consider that reasonable.
>
controls are helpful, but this is Usenet, which should be as free as
possible. In particular, this newsgroup exists largely to attract
dimwits and whackjobs of all shades of opinion: we can hardly complain
if it actually succeeds a little bit. Nobody has to read messages they
don't want to read.
--
Mike.
Frank J
wrote:
It is a dilemma. On one hand I'm tired of clicking on an interesting
thread title only to find that it's Madman trolling again. But on the
other I do want lurkers to see how they operate - how they evade
simple questions, tangent on minor points, and escape to another
thread when the going gets tough. I have also though of prohibiting
changing subject lines. But then Pagano would not have the opportunity
to show how he constantly resorts to cheap shots.
David Hare-Scott
> David Hare-Scott wrote:
>
>> David Iain Greig wrote:
>>> Insofar as I previously was tagging all Message-IDs of (M)adman's
>>> posts with the prefix 'madman-', I have extended this admirable
>>> functionality to all posts by his new nym as well.
>>>
>>> Henceforth all readers able to filter on the Message-ID: header can
>>> simply drop all posts containing the pattern 'madman-' from showing
>>> up.
>>>
>>> Further, if you are able to filter on the References: header, then
>>> filtering out all articles with the pattern 'madman-' in them will
>>> remove not only posts by him, but *all replies thereto*, eradicating
>>> entire threads and letting the concerned reader more or less forget
>>> that (M)adman exists. Bliss shall indeed be thine.
>
>
>> I have longed for this for years. Which newsreaders are capable of
>> this level of filtering?
>
>
> Anything that uses a proper score file should do fine I think.
What does that mean and how would I know if the newsreader had it?
David
J. J. Lodder
> On Jan 7, 3:45 pm, David Iain Greig <dgr...@ediacara.org> wrote:
> > Insofar as I previously was tagging all Message-IDs of (M)adman's
> > posts with the prefix 'madman-', I have extended this admirable
> > functionality to all posts by his new nym as well.
> >
> > Henceforth all readers able to filter on the Message-ID: header
> > can simply drop all posts containing the pattern 'madman-' from
> > showing up.
> >
> > Further, if you are able to filter on the References: header,
> > then filtering out all articles with the pattern 'madman-' in them
> > will remove not only posts by him, but *all replies thereto*,
> > eradicating entire threads and letting the concerned reader
> > more or less forget that (M)adman exists. Bliss shall indeed be
> > thine.
> >
> > --D. 'no need to thank me, it's a pleasure'
>
> I'd really thank you if you limited the # of threads anyone can start
> (e.g. one per day). Nearly all "evolutionists" and most "anti-
> evolutonists" would consider that reasonable.
Not reasonable at all, and certainly not helpful.
It would destroy t.o. completely
as the news signalling service it also is.
(By YOO, Spaceman, etc.)
Jan
Frank J
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See my reply to Mike Lyle; I'm not wedded to the idea.
But Madman and Spintronic (now gone?) are the only ones that start
more than a few threads per day.
el cid
Most people who have voiced an opinion object to those posts.
If you want news, there are plenty of news gathering services
to alert you and they are free. Instead these punks forward
on cut and pasted links they don't even understand.
All-seeing-I
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why don't you guys stop crying like lil bitches
You whine you want to filter me but then you are the first to reply to
the topics I post for discussion.
Eric Root
Sorry, I vote _for_ the news gatheres, especially Spaceman. It points
me towards a lot of stuff I follow up on.
Eric Root
Kilmir
> Insofar as I previously was tagging all Message-IDs of (M)adman's
> posts with the prefix 'madman-', I have extended this admirable
> functionality to all posts by his new nym as well.
>
> Henceforth all readers able to filter on the Message-ID: header
> can simply drop all posts containing the pattern 'madman-' from
> showing up. �
>
> Further, if you are able to filter on the References: header,
> then filtering out all articles with the pattern 'madman-' in them
> will remove not only posts by him, but *all replies thereto*,
> eradicating entire threads and letting the concerned reader
> more or less forget that (M)adman exists. � Bliss shall indeed be
> thine.
>
> --D. 'no need to thank me, it's a pleasure'
Does anyone know if Google Groups have any filtering possibilities? Or
otherwise other web based readers that do have that capability?
I read the groups in several different places and on different
computers, using newsreader programs are not a practical possibility
for me.
Mitchell Coffey
I don't about YOO's case, but you're unfair to Spaceman. He by all
evidence understands what he posts. I for one find them useful.
Mitchell Coffey
el cid
I object to you saying "Sorry".
One reason I consider it spam is that the people who posts this
stuff don't seem to actually read the newsgroup. For example, we
got about 4 versions of the link to prions recently. None of the
posters seemed aware of the others who posted the same link and
as far as I can see, none of them understood much about prions.
Mitchell and you seem to like Spaceman. Note he never follows-up
on his posts which is pretty close to the definition of spam.
I realize we have lots of posters that are effectively write
only but I generally object to them too. In doing so, I'm not
actually advocating the suggested filter but I wouldn't lift a
finger to object to it.
I have no problem with someone bringing in a topic of interest
but that should involve actually making a few of their own
comments, even "can somebody help me make sense of this?"
Ron O
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The posting volume or the entire group would decrease by at least 70%
if you did that to adman. We could try it and see if any of the other
boobs would pick up the slack, but if it were not for adman bringing
up all the old and bogus anti-evolution junk there would not be much
to discuss. Most of the other regular anti-evolution posters have
pretty much given up on the lame junk.
Ron Okimoto
All-seeing-I
>
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You do not pay attention. I may have responded to Spaceman 3xs in 3
years.
Besides. Who made you netkkop
Ye Old One
If you have control over the computers you use then install the
software on all of them and copy the data to each via a USB stick.I
think it is even possible to set up Agent to run from a USB stick.
--
Bob.
Paul J Gans
>why don't you guys stop crying like lil bitches
>You whine you want to filter me but then you are the first to reply to
>the topics I post for discussion.
He's got you folks. Tagging Madman isn't to stop *him*, it is
to enable you folks (and me, sometimes) to control ourselves.
Ponder this: is there a thread in talk.origins if nobody responds
to the post initiating one?
--
--- Paul J. Gans
Paul J Gans
>> Sorry, I vote _for_ the news gatheres, especially Spaceman. It points
>> me towards a lot of stuff I follow up on.
>I object to you saying "Sorry".
>One reason I consider it spam is that the people who posts this
>stuff don't seem to actually read the newsgroup. For example, we
>got about 4 versions of the link to prions recently. None of the
>posters seemed aware of the others who posted the same link and
>as far as I can see, none of them understood much about prions.
>Mitchell and you seem to like Spaceman. Note he never follows-up
>on his posts which is pretty close to the definition of spam.
>I realize we have lots of posters that are effectively write
>only but I generally object to them too. In doing so, I'm not
>actually advocating the suggested filter but I wouldn't lift a
>finger to object to it.
>I have no problem with someone bringing in a topic of interest
>but that should involve actually making a few of their own
>comments, even "can somebody help me make sense of this?"
I'm not sure I agree. It is the content that counts, not
whether the posting starts a thread -- or so I think.
Rodjk #613
If you use Firefox there are add-on apps that can block posters.
I will have to look for it...or you can google it.
Rodjk #613
Mitchell Coffey
Even closer to the definition of spam "is the abuse of electronic
messaging systems [...] to send unsolicited bulk messages
indiscriminately." (http://tinyurl.com/yzv3fao)
Mitchell Coffey
David Iain Greig
>
> I have longed for this for years. Which newsreaders are capable of this
> level of filtering?
I use slrn, on darwin itself. UNIX text based newsreader.
--D.
David Iain Greig
Yes. There is the odd post that gets through with no replies.
--D.
>
David Iain Greig
> I'd really thank you if you limited the # of threads anyone can start
> (e.g. one per day). Nearly all "evolutionists" and most "anti-
> evolutonists" would consider that reasonable.
That sounds like wayyyy too much work.
--D.
--
david iain greig dgr...@ediacara.org
moderator, talk.origins sp4 kox
http://www.ediacara.org/~dgreig arbor plena alouattarum
Free Lunch
<dgr...@ediacara.org> wrote in talk.origins:
>Frank J <fc...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> I'd really thank you if you limited the # of threads anyone can start
>> (e.g. one per day). Nearly all "evolutionists" and most "anti-
>> evolutonists" would consider that reasonable.
>
>That sounds like wayyyy too much work.
We have high expectations of our moderator overlord.
David Hare-Scott
> David Hare-Scott wrote:
>
> [..]
>
>>> Anything that uses a proper score file should do fine I think.
>>
>> What does that mean
>
>
>> and how would I know if the newsreader had it?
>
> its website. Websites that compare newsreaders would also provide this
> information.
thankyou
D
Stephen
Well, this is a *NEWS* group, after all. You know, one of those "news
gathering services to alert you and ... are free": ie, the purpose of
Usenet ...
--
Desertphile
<sec...@nospam.com> wrote:
> David Iain Greig wrote:
> > Insofar as I previously was tagging all Message-IDs of (M)adman's
> > posts with the prefix 'madman-', I have extended this admirable
> > functionality to all posts by his new nym as well.
> >
> > Henceforth all readers able to filter on the Message-ID: header
> > can simply drop all posts containing the pattern 'madman-' from
> > showing up.
> >
> > Further, if you are able to filter on the References: header,
> > then filtering out all articles with the pattern 'madman-' in them
> > will remove not only posts by him, but *all replies thereto*,
> > eradicating entire threads and letting the concerned reader
> > more or less forget that (M)adman exists. Bliss shall indeed be
> > thine.
> I have longed for this for years. Which newsreaders are capable of this
> level of filtering?
NewsProxy works well.
> David
--
http://desertphile.org
Desertphile's Desert Soliloquy. WARNING: view with plenty of water
"Why aren't resurrections from the dead noteworthy?" -- Jim Rutz
Paul J Gans
Are we that tenacious? My my... ;-)
I still maintain that if nobody rose to Madmans' bait, it would
help things.
But then, more than a decade on t.o. teaches all of us that there
is always another creationist to bedevil the group.
Dick C.
@news.albasani.net:
One newsreader, although no longer supported, but still available, is
XNews. Has the ability to score posts, which is what I do all the time.
--
Dick #1349
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
~Benjamin Franklin
Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com
email: dic...@gmail.com
heekster
wrote:
With great power,
Comes great responsibility.
-- "Uncle Ben Parker"
:^D
chibiabos
Iain Greig <dgr...@ediacara.org> wrote:
> Insofar as I previously was tagging all Message-IDs of (M)adman's
> posts with the prefix 'madman-', I have extended this admirable
> functionality to all posts by his new nym as well.
>
> Henceforth all readers able to filter on the Message-ID: header
> can simply drop all posts containing the pattern 'madman-' from
> showing up.
>
> Further, if you are able to filter on the References: header,
> then filtering out all articles with the pattern 'madman-' in them
> will remove not only posts by him, but *all replies thereto*,
> eradicating entire threads and letting the concerned reader
> more or less forget that (M)adman exists. Bliss shall indeed be
> thine.
>
> --D. 'no need to thank me, it's a pleasure'
That helps, but here is a message-ID header from ASI/madman that does
not contain the target string. How do we filter that?
> Path:
> border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-in-01.newsfeed.easy
> news.com!easynews.com!easynews!newsfeed.news2me.com!usenet.stanford.edu!
> darwin.ediacara.org!there.is.no.cabal
> From: All-Seeing-I <allse...@usa.com>
> Newsgroups: talk.origins
> Subject: ??
> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:12:54 -0800 (PST)
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
> Lines: 2
> Sender: ne...@darwin.ediacara.org
> Approved: rob...@ediacara.org
> Message-ID:
> <6fa7a846-3f3e-43ad...@35g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
-chib
--
Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
David Iain Greig
> In article <cabal-slrnhkc...@darwin.ediacara.org>, David
> Iain Greig <dgr...@ediacara.org> wrote:
>
>> Insofar as I previously was tagging all Message-IDs of (M)adman's
>> posts with the prefix 'madman-', I have extended this admirable
>> functionality to all posts by his new nym as well.
>>
>> Henceforth all readers able to filter on the Message-ID: header
>> can simply drop all posts containing the pattern 'madman-' from
>> showing up.
>>
>> Further, if you are able to filter on the References: header,
>> then filtering out all articles with the pattern 'madman-' in them
>> will remove not only posts by him, but *all replies thereto*,
>> eradicating entire threads and letting the concerned reader
>> more or less forget that (M)adman exists. Bliss shall indeed be
>> thine.
>>
>> --D. 'no need to thank me, it's a pleasure'
>
> That helps, but here is a message-ID header from ASI/madman that does
> not contain the target string. How do we filter that?
I can't retroactively modify headers. This is a going-forward thing.
I'd note my own posts are ALSO tagged.
--D.
J. J. Lodder
Moderators have absolute power, and no responsibility
beyond what they impose on themselves.
A moderator is an enlightened (one hopes) despot,
Jan
John Wilkins
<nos...@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
However, unlike ordinary despots, those under his or her rule may leave
at will...
J. J. Lodder
Except that they have nowhere else to go.
There is ony one talk.origins,
so it's more like vanishing in the black cyberhole.
Not much difference here with the enlightened despots
of the 18th century.
They might have objected to their subjects leaving,
but there was little they could do about it.
Jan
chris thompson
Well, that's true since we've all been assimilated into the Hershey
collective.
Seriously, the same people who respond to ASI posts (me, for one) have
not clamored to filter him.
Chris
el cid
> In article <1jc1x4q.6w56dppxe2...@de-ster.xs4all.nl>, J. J. Lodder
>
>
>
>
>
> <nos...@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
> > heekster <heeks...@ifiwxtc.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:10:30 -0600, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:55:19 +0000 (UTC), David Iain Greig
> > > ><dgr...@ediacara.org> wrote in talk.origins:
>
> > > >>> I'd really thank you if you limited the # of threads anyone can start
> > > >>> (e.g. one per day). Nearly all "evolutionists" and most "anti-
> > > >>> evolutonists" would consider that reasonable.
>
> > > >>That sounds like wayyyy too much work.
>
> > > >We have high expectations of our moderator overlord.
>
> > > With great power,
> > > Comes great responsibility.
> > > -- �"Uncle Ben Parker"
> > > :^D
>
> > Moderators have absolute power, and no responsibility
> > beyond what they impose on themselves.
>
> > A moderator is an enlightened (one hopes) despot,
>
> However, unlike ordinary despots, those under his or her rule may leave
> at will...
No no no no no. They are free to check out, but they can never leave.
So relax, as the mod bot said, we are programmed to receive.
chris thompson
> John Wilkins <j...@wilkins.id.au> wrote:
> > <nos...@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
>
> > > heekster <heeks...@ifiwxtc.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:10:30 -0600, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > >On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:55:19 +0000 (UTC), David Iain Greig
> > > > ><dgr...@ediacara.org> wrote in talk.origins:
>
> > > > >>> I'd really thank you if you limited the # of threads anyone can start
> > > > >>> (e.g. one per day). Nearly all "evolutionists" and most "anti-
> > > > >>> evolutonists" would consider that reasonable.
>
> > > > >>That sounds like wayyyy too much work.
>
> > > > >We have high expectations of our moderator overlord.
>
> > > > With great power,
> > > > Comes great responsibility.
> > > > -- �"Uncle Ben Parker"
> > > > :^D
>
> > > Moderators have absolute power, and no responsibility
> > > beyond what they impose on themselves.
>
> > > A moderator is an enlightened (one hopes) despot,
>
> > However, unlike ordinary despots, those under his or her rule may leave
> > at will...
>
> Except that they have nowhere else to go.
> There is ony one talk.origins,
> so it's more like vanishing in the black cyberhole.
>
> Not much difference here with the enlightened despots
> of the 18th century.
> They might have objected to their subjects leaving,
> but there was little they could do about it.
>
> Jan
True, only one t.o., but there's always alt.talk.creationism, or the
Yahoo! groups about evolution.
Chris
heekster
DIG seems to get involved just enough to keep the group functional.
I've only seen him ban nym shifters, and even that was after having
warned them.
At one time the group was unmoderated. How was the moderator
selected?
Free Lunch
wrote in talk.origins:
I think Larry volunteered him.
Paul J Gans
Well, he does provide most of the fun around here...
chris thompson
He serves a useful purpose. Just today I learned more about sodium-
potassium pumps and read about nanobes for the first time- all because
he said things I knew had to be wrong.
Chris
Mitchell Coffey
> Frank J <f...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > I'd really thank you if you limited the # of threads anyone can start
> > (e.g. one per day). Nearly all "evolutionists" and most "anti-
> > evolutonists" would consider that reasonable.
>
> That sounds like wayyyy too much work.
Then I propose we treble your salary.
Mitchell Coffey
el cid
Why mess around with such small scale. Real changes are made
by adding zeros so I say we add a couple zeros to the front of
his pay and damn the significant figures.
heekster
J. J. Lodder
> On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 14:33:07 +0100, nos...@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
> Lodder) wrote:
>
> >heekster <heek...@ifiwxtc.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:10:30 -0600, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Fri, 8 Jan 2010 20:55:19 +0000 (UTC), David Iain Greig
> >> ><dgr...@ediacara.org> wrote in talk.origins:
> >> >
> >> >>Frank J <fc...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >> >>> I'd really thank you if you limited the # of threads anyone can start
> >> >>> (e.g. one per day). Nearly all "evolutionists" and most "anti-
> >> >>> evolutonists" would consider that reasonable.
> >> >>
> >> >>That sounds like wayyyy too much work.
> >> >
> >> >We have high expectations of our moderator overlord.
> >>
> >> With great power,
> >> Comes great responsibility.
> >> -- "Uncle Ben Parker"
> >> :^D
> >
> >Moderators have absolute power, and no responsibility
> >beyond what they impose on themselves.
> >
> >A moderator is an enlightened (one hopes) despot,
> >
> >Jan
>
> DIG seems to get involved just enough to keep the group functional.
Sure, he is a very enlightened despot,
and not quite un roi faineant.
Just what this group needs,
no need for a revolution,
Jan